ESPN declares TO undraftable (1 Viewer)

[larry_boy_44]

I am sure he meant undraftable at his ADP. Settle down...

You think ESPN knows what ADP is?

doesn't Dodds write articles for ESPN the Mag now?

 

[redman]

I am sure he meant undraftable at his ADP. Settle down...

You think ESPN knows what ADP is?

Of course. It's a home security company.

 

[Todem]

Let's all calm down here and think for a minute.....Its training camp. The media is bored. They need something to write about. TO and Tuna are both big personalities. Given the Philly disaster, everyone is waiting for something to happen. TO tweaks a hammy. Its training camp. TO is 32 and a veteran who knows his body. Its training camp. Is Tuna annoyed he wasn't practicing? Yes I am sure he was. But.......its training camp. The media is salivating for a story. They keep asking Tuna about TO. He snaps at them - tells them there is no problem, but they keep asking about it. They NEED a story. They start CREATING a controversy where one does not exist. Its training camp people........RELAX.Here what we KNOW:TO is a playmaker who gives 110% on the fieldAll he wants to do is win He can't play if he is hurtThe season doesn't start until 9/10Its training campI am not saying I would go out of my way to take him, but if he is not one of the top 5 or 6 WR off the board he represents TREMENDOUS value in my opinion.

Exactly

 

[angman]

The guy isn't undraftable like ESPN is saying, but there's obviously a huge amount of risk here. I had TO on my team until yesterday night, and was beginning to feel like Bill Parcells with all the circus that's been going on. I decided I didn't need the headache and was able to deal him and Baltimore for Ronnie Brown.

If he plays, he's definately a monster, but I got tired of the soap opera and dealt him. Funny thing is I play the owner I dealt him to in week one, and fully expect Owens to have 2 TDs that game.

 

[Big Score]

The guy isn't undraftable like ESPN is saying

Just in the interests of accuracy, ESPN never said TO was undraftable, just that he was bad value at his ADP of the 12th pick.

 

[Marvin88]

Name a receiver who will be drafted later who has as much upside. Wayne? He's already moving up people's draft boards. Chambers? He's getting drafted at a similar ADP. Roy Williams? He's been up and down draft boards all summer. There really aren't that many good receivers this year, and all of the top ones have blemishes.

Exactly, BF.I picked him up at 3.03 after already grabbing LT2 and Holt.

 

[Tau837]

The guy isn't undraftable like ESPN is saying

Just in the interests of accuracy, ESPN never said TO was undraftable, just that he was bad value at his ADP of the 12th pick.

Actually, at lunch today, I saw ESPN run this text on their screen: "Fantasy Football Rule #1: Don't draft Terrell Owens." I couldn't hear very well, but in addition to his current health/doghouse issues and his past, they also went on to cite things about WR performance for Bill Parcells' teams. For example, only once (or maybe never, can't remember) has a WR had double digit TDs for Parcells. There were a few points along these lines.Now, I'm sure bostonfred will rush to reply that Parcells never had a WR as talented as TO. Simmer down. I agree. Those comparisons are apples and oranges.Personally, I have two drafts next weekend, and I'm uncertain exactly where I'd rank Owens. I know I'd take Holt over him for sure, but I'm not sure if I would take others over him or not... have to do some more research this week. I pick 9th in one 14 team league, and I will certainly consider Owens if he is there at 2.6. I don't know my draft position in the other league yet, so I'm not sure when he will become a consideration for me.

 

[bostonfred]

Name a receiver who will be drafted later who has as much upside. Wayne? He's already moving up people's draft boards. Chambers? He's getting drafted at a similar ADP. Roy Williams? He's been up and down draft boards all summer. There really aren't that many good receivers this year, and all of the top ones have blemishes.

I knew you would be in here defending TO. TO is certainly draftable, but he comes with a lot of risk. I'd take several other receivers before him.

Can you name some? Are there six rounds worth of receivers you'd take ahead of him, like some in this thread claim?

Sure I can name some. Holt, SSmith, C Johnson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Harrison, Roy Williams, Driver, Chambers, Ward, D. Jackson, Moss, etc. Are there six rounds worth of receivers I'd take before him, no.

I can understand Holt, Smith, Johnson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Harrison, and Moss. Those guys are already going ahead of Owens. I can understand Roy Williams, Chambers, Ward, and D Jackson. Those guys have all been top receivers, or have huge upside this year. I can even vaguely understand Driver, although I think his upside is last year's numbers, which isn't that exciting. It's the etc. I have a hard time with. You basically listed ADP and moved him down to WR14 instead of WR8, which isn't nearly as shocking as what some of the other guys in this thread are saying.

 

[the rover]

Owens2000 sfo 14 97 1451 15.0 13 2001 sfo 16 93 1412 15.2 16 2002 sfo 14 1001300 13.0 13 {7 79 11.3 1} (Rush stats)2003 sfo 15 80 1102 13.8 9 2004 phi 14 77 1200 15.6 14 2005 phi 7 47 763 16.2 6

This is pretty much all that matters. They guy puts up numbers. My league doesn't have any scoring categories based on whether a guy is a #### or not.

 

[Big Score]

The guy isn't undraftable like ESPN is saying

Just in the interests of accuracy, ESPN never said TO was undraftable, just that he was bad value at his ADP of the 12th pick.

Actually, at lunch today, I saw ESPN run this text on their screen: "Fantasy Football Rule #1: Don't draft Terrell Owens." I couldn't hear very well, but in addition to his current health/doghouse issues and his past, they also went on to cite things about WR performance for Bill Parcells' teams. For example, only once (or maybe never, can't remember) has a WR had double digit TDs for Parcells. There were a few points along these lines.Now, I'm sure bostonfred will rush to reply that Parcells never had a WR as talented as TO. Simmer down. I agree. Those comparisons are apples and oranges.Personally, I have two drafts next weekend, and I'm uncertain exactly where I'd rank Owens. I know I'd take Holt over him for sure, but I'm not sure if I would take others over him or not... have to do some more research this week. I pick 9th in one 14 team league, and I will certainly consider Owens if he is there at 2.6. I don't know my draft position in the other league yet, so I'm not sure when he will become a consideration for me.

I didn't see the text crawler, just listened to what they had to say.You're right that they brought up the fact that Parcells has generally produced fairly lackluster WR #1 numbers, as far as fantasy football is concerned.It was indeed one of the reasons for them saying TO was not worth the 12th pick.

 

[redman]

Owens

2000 sfo 14 97 1451 15.0 13

2001 sfo 16 93 1412 15.2 16

2002 sfo 14 1001300 13.0 13 {7 79 11.3 1} (Rush stats)

2003 sfo 15 80 1102 13.8 9

2004 phi 14 77 1200 15.6 14

2005 phi 7 47 763 16.2 6

Reasons to draft Terrell Owens

How many NFL WR's have averaged a touchdown a game for 5 of the past 6 seasons?

For that matter, how many NFL RB's have averaged a touchdown a game for 5 of the past 6 seasons?

How many WR's have stayed this productive with multiple starting QB's throwing them the ball?

How many WR's have improved on every meaningfull statistic on a per game average over the past 3 years?

How many players has Parcells suspended during his coaching career?

How many HOF caliber players has Parcells refused to play or not use to their full potential?

How many players with that level of production have been happily sent packing by two teams otherwise bereft of established receiving talent? TO's a unique case. He may be fine in redraft depending upon where you can get him, but I'd steer clear of him in dynasty unless he fell a long way.

 

[walkwithme]

The ESPN list is an average from all of their drafts and who knows what the actual % of real people actually drafting is. Think about how many picks are actually just picks based off ESPN default rankings. If they had a way to screen say the average draft position by what week the draft was completed that would make more sense. With that being said Owens will not be worth my first WR pick however if he is availible with my 2nd WR say the 12-15 WR taken I think the risk justifies the reward. I hope people in my league will use the ESPN ADP to draft because some of the draft picks are ... I'll just say questionable.

 

[simsarge]

I drafted TO late second round and Randy Moss early third and have NO problems with either pick.

Your team is going to suck.

Way to add to the conversation there Kreskin

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Name a receiver who will be drafted later who has as much upside. Wayne? He's already moving up people's draft boards. Chambers? He's getting drafted at a similar ADP. Roy Williams? He's been up and down draft boards all summer. There really aren't that many good receivers this year, and all of the top ones have blemishes.

I knew you would be in here defending TO. TO is certainly draftable, but he comes with a lot of risk. I'd take several other receivers before him.

Can you name some? Are there six rounds worth of receivers you'd take ahead of him, like some in this thread claim?

Sure I can name some. Holt, SSmith, C Johnson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Harrison, Roy Williams, Driver, Chambers, Ward, D. Jackson, Moss, etc. Are there six rounds worth of receivers I'd take before him, no.

I can understand Holt, Smith, Johnson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Harrison, and Moss. Those guys are already going ahead of Owens. I can understand Roy Williams, Chambers, Ward, and D Jackson. Those guys have all been top receivers, or have huge upside this year. I can even vaguely understand Driver, although I think his upside is last year's numbers, which isn't that exciting. It's the etc. I have a hard time with.

It's Latin, et cetera. It means "and so on . . ."

 

[dickey moe]

I drafted TO late second round and Randy Moss early third and have NO problems with either pick.

Your team is going to suck.

Way to add to the conversation there Kreskin

It was pretty funny, especially because RKMoney asked the question.

 

[simsarge]

I drafted TO late second round and Randy Moss early third and have NO problems with either pick.

Your team is going to suck.

Way to add to the conversation there Kreskin

It was pretty funny, especially because RKMoney asked the question.

He mighta left his chin hanging out there by just stating his opinion, but I think a better response would have been akin to his living (drafting) dangerously, not "Your team is going to suck". It's that standard know-it-all shpeil that litters up a thread about a legit concern for a lot of FBGs.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I'll be drafting him at 1.12/2.01 and laughing all the way to the championship

 

[hi1111]

ESPN comments aside, to recap on Owens:- Complained his way out of SF- Got traded to BAL but flat out refused to go there- Somehow got sent to PHI to be with his buddy McNabb- Got benched and missed half the season and now is in a feud with McNabbIf he blows it in Dallas, I'm not sure teams will touch him for much more than the league minimum (if they'd want him at all). His agent should be telling him if he wants any bling bling from here on out he needs to knock it off.

Was absolutely phenomenal in his first year.Owens is high risk/reward but the reward outweighs the risk for the first year no? I'd take him if he was the top receiver on my board and he fell to me without a second thought.

 

[redman]

I drafted TO late second round and Randy Moss early third and have NO problems with either pick.

Your team is going to suck.

Way to add to the conversation there Kreskin

It was pretty funny, especially because RKMoney asked the question.

He mighta left his chin hanging out there by just stating his opinion, but I think a better response would have been akin to his living (drafting) dangerously, not "Your team is going to suck". It's that standard know-it-all shpeil that litters up a thread about a legit concern for a lot of FBGs.

Sorry, sir, it won't happen again.

 

[easy like sunday morning]

I'll be drafting him at 1.12/2.01 and laughing all the way to the championship

If Chad Johnson and/or Steve Smith are still there at 1.12 wouldn't you take one of them first? Do you have TO as the top WR on your board?

 

[RKMoney]

TO is an agressive play. In deep expert leagues I wouldn't touch him. In shallow, guppy leagues I'd go after him.

Whether or not you want to take on that kind of risk depends on the league.

That being said, TO knows he can't afford another year away from the game...his prime playing days aren't going to be around forever and he knows he's got some image repair to work on.

That makes NO sense whatsover. All players are risky and shouldn't matter what kind of league you are in, either you think they will perform or not.

 

[RKMoney]

I'm sure people who draft LT, LJ or SA won't mind taking a chance on Owens if he slips to them.

I drafted LJ and TO was there and had no problem taking him.