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ESPN Layoffs (1 Viewer)

Britt McHenry, no!!
It's fascinating how their Wiki pages are already updated with their release. Earlier this week, it was happening day of. I would google a name to make sure I knew who they were talking about and oftentimes the little blurb from their Wiki page included their release from ESPN.

 
Interesting piece, thanks. And eye-opening about ESPN. But I'm curious about what makes the original old networks so popular? Unless my sport is playing on one of them, I don't think I ever tune in to any of those and I'm in my sixties. Opinions welcomed.

 
Interesting piece, thanks. And eye-opening about ESPN. But I'm curious about what makes the original old networks so popular? Unless my sport is playing on one of them, I don't think I ever tune in to any of those and I'm in my sixties. Opinions welcomed.
Lowest common denominator programming, e.g the Bachelor, the Voice, NCIS: Topeka, etc.

 
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Interesting piece, thanks. And eye-opening about ESPN. But I'm curious about what makes the original old networks so popular? Unless my sport is playing on one of them, I don't think I ever tune in to any of those and I'm in my sixties. Opinions welcomed.
probably because people TiVo shows to binge watch, unlike, say, ESPN and Fox News (two networks who were cited in the article) both of which are much better digested live. 

also factor in that there are no longer 'water cooler' shows on the old networks, so folks can skate by not catching the original episodes (ergo the TiVo popularity), as opposed to the cable/premium channels series which are not only of the 'water cooler' ilk, but legitimate events. 

 
That being said...once they go a al carte, all the leagues will just follow suit as well and cut ESPN out which is the bigger issue with going a la carte.   Once the splintering starts, the big hook of live sports can be captured by the leagues themselves.  ESPN's real problem is that it doesn't produce it's own content.   
That's an interesting point.  Letting ESPN handle distribution and coverage was in the leagues' interest back then since it granted national exposure and distribution was arduous.  

Now media distribution is completely ubiquitous, and ESPN doesn't have much leverage as a broadcast outlet anymore.  Not with cable going the direction it is.  Not with a bunch of meatheads running sports journalism into the ground.  Not with out of touch Disney execs turning the network into personality-driven reality garbage.  This is the beginning of the end.  

Perhaps making your network revolve around Stephen.A.Smith is not a very bright move in the long term.  

 
That's an interesting point.  Letting ESPN handle distribution and coverage was in the leagues' interest back then since it granted national exposure and distribution was arduous.  

Now media distribution is completely ubiquitous, and ESPN doesn't have much leverage as a broadcast outlet anymore.  Not with cable going the direction it is.  Not with a bunch of meatheads running sports journalism into the ground.  Not with out of touch Disney execs turning the network into personality-driven reality garbage.  This is the beginning of the end.  

Perhaps making your network revolve around Stephen.A.Smith is not a very bright move in the long term.  
You're missing the point (and taking SAS out of the conversation)...for ESPN's entire history, they hated stars.  The anchors got too big for their britches, they were gone.  That's fine when you are a monopoly on content and distribution.  That's not fine when distribution fractures and you need content.  That's especially not true when distributions fragments and you pay third-parties for your truly unique and valuable content since you've already fired your own unique and desired content.  

Point being, is they are going to continue to cycle through the SASs of the world until they find someone that sticks (much like FoxNews rode O'Reilly to the second highest cable pay rate of $1.41 a sub).  They need content like that more than ever now.  

 
You're missing the point (and taking SAS out of the conversation)...for ESPN's entire history, they hated stars.  The anchors got too big for their britches, they were gone.  That's fine when you are a monopoly on content and distribution.  That's not fine when distribution fractures and you need content.  That's especially not true when distributions fragments and you pay third-parties for your truly unique and valuable content since you've already fired your own unique and desired content.  

Point being, is they are going to continue to cycle through the SASs of the world until they find someone that sticks (much like FoxNews rode O'Reilly to the second highest cable pay rate of $1.41 a sub).  They need content like that more than ever now.  
Olberman and Patrick. What other anchors did they dump?

 
Olberman and Patrick. What other anchors did they dump?
Kevin Fraser and Tirico are others...point being that what they are trying to do with SVP and the Six...they already had in the past and discarded when they thought they wanted too much money.  Turns out talent matters in 2017.

BTW it looks like they fired Abbott and most of the TrueHoop crew.  

 
Seems strange to announce the layoffs 2 days before the NFL draft. That probably hurt their ratings I would think.
I thought I saw an earlier tweet from SI.com's Richard Deitsch (who Magary of Deadspin brutally teed off on yesterday -- that feels a little like kicking Bambi to me) that said the first day ratings were actually up this year. I'm surprised by that but then Deitsch is also predicting a rebound in ratings for the NFL this season and he knows a lot more about that stuff than I do.

 
I thought I saw an earlier tweet from SI.com's Richard Deitsch (who Magary of Deadspin brutally teed off on yesterday -- that feels a little like kicking Bambi to me) that said the first day ratings were actually up this year. I'm surprised by that but then Deitsch is also predicting a rebound in ratings for the NFL this season and he knows a lot more about that stuff than I do.
Deitsch comes off as a Bambi-like figure to you?  

 
Deitsch comes off as a Bambi-like figure to you?  
Yeah, I think he's pretty mild. Unless you're Skip Bayless. And even then Deitsch goes after him with humor rather than venom.

Magary was on him about tweeting that he (Deitsch) was hearing some ESPN names being mentioned in the runup to the layoffs but he wasn't going to name them until the employees actually came out and identified themselves, out of respect to the ESPNers. You could make a case for Magary being right but it's a grey area to me and hardly worth the criticism that was leveled.

I'll admit to possibly being blinded by the fact that Deitsch and I are usually critical of the same people and institutions.

 
That sucks. Looks like the Podcast is on hiatus as well. 

Marc Stein out too - wow. 
They totally gutted their ESPN.com NBA coverage.  Sort of sad, but then again their management let that happen.  The amount of great non-ESPN written content is staggering.

 
Yeah, I think he's pretty mild. Unless you're Skip Bayless. And even then Deitsch goes after him with humor rather than venom.

Magary was on him about tweeting that he (Deitsch) was hearing some ESPN names being mentioned in the runup to the layoffs but he wasn't going to name them until the employees actually came out and identified themselves, out of respect to the ESPNers. You could make a case for Magary being right but it's a grey area to me and hardly worth the criticism that was leveled.

I'll admit to possibly being blinded by the fact that Deitsch and I are usually critical of the same people and institutions.
For a glorified gossip columnist, he comes across as a self important ####### most of the time IMO. I'll listen to his podcast once in awhile though when he has good guests.

 
Marc Stein? That's ridiculous. Dude was solid and I have a hard time believing he was costly.
I'll bet he wasn't super cheap, especially relative to some of the other writers they've been letting go. But, he was their  #1 news guy (maybe #2 in the industry behind Woj); if he was expensive, it was justified. 

 
For a glorified gossip columnist, he comes across as a self important ####### most of the time IMO. I'll listen to his podcast once in awhile though when he has good guests.
I think he's pretty benign but then lots of people on this board think I'm a self important blowhole, too. So there's that. I think Bilas is the shiz but if one is on the traditional side of the college amateurism issue, one might think he's a pompous dooshnozzle.

 
Because of this thread, I'm watching SAS on First Take right now.  Barely made it through the segment.  He's so bad and all he reminds me of is Trump talking about himself.
He can yap in his loud voice all he wants about it being about race, but Barkley, another black man prominently in the sports talking head media, is just as opinionated and blunt, and most love him...because he isn't an obnoxious ### who feels the need to shout over everyone to be heard.  He simply lacks self-awareness. 

 
I think there is some misunderstanding on what cord cutting really means for the majority of cord cutters.

The vast majority of cord cutters still have access to ESPN through a myriad of online services and the amount of choices grows every day.  The problem for ESPN is that they(at least for the moment) can not charge the exorbitant fee to these online services that they have been able to to the cable and satellite services.
Plus with the cable model, ESPN gets subscriber fees from people with no intention of ever watching ESPN. A bunch of people do watch ESPN, but it's a nice subsidy to have millions of people that don't use your product pay for it every month. Having to rely on people to take a look at what your product costs and then make a real decision about whether or not the content justifies that expense is a different ballgame. And I assume, ESPN's already very expensive price tag ($7-8/mo) will only go up as they keep losing non-viewer subscriber subsidies.

As someone else mentioned, it does seem to make more sense for the content producers, the leagues themselves, to handle the distribution of this all. As bad as it's about to get for ESPN, the regional sports networks are going to get it even worse. Baseball is my favorite sport, but there's no way the regional TV deals can be justified by the viewership (instead, even moreso than ESPN, they are getting paid from subscribers that don't watch). I assume at some point, those deals will either get a lot smaller or MLB will just take over it all. MLB.tv (and NBA League Pass) is an outstanding value. If they doubled the price tomorrow, I wouldn't blink. If they tripled it, I'd blink, but probably still buy (I'm saving a hell of a lot of money not buying traditional cable).

 
Yeah, I think he's pretty mild. Unless you're Skip Bayless. And even then Deitsch goes after him with humor rather than venom.

Magary was on him about tweeting that he (Deitsch) was hearing some ESPN names being mentioned in the runup to the layoffs but he wasn't going to name them until the employees actually came out and identified themselves, out of respect to the ESPNers. You could make a case for Magary being right but it's a grey area to me and hardly worth the criticism that was leveled.

I'll admit to possibly being blinded by the fact that Deitsch and I are usually critical of the same people and institutions.
I think what Magary was trying to say was that Deitsch was using the "I'm not naming them til they out themselves" thing as self-serving, putting a halo over his (Deitsch's) own head for being so noble in not naming them. I thought Magary was reaching  - his wrath seemed too heavy for the evidence he presented - but I think his basic point was solid. And Magary is similarly critical of the same folks you & Deitsch are.

 
Lot of buzz that Woj is heading there.
Well they gutted their entire staff besides for Lowe, Pelton and Windhorst (and who knows where they stand at this point).  As much as they say this is the market's fault, management screwed up their NBA coverage.  It's sad that these guys take the brunt of it.

 
Plus with the cable model, ESPN gets subscriber fees from people with no intention of ever watching ESPN. A bunch of people do watch ESPN, but it's a nice subsidy to have millions of people that don't use your product pay for it every month. Having to rely on people to take a look at what your product costs and then make a real decision about whether or not the content justifies that expense is a different ballgame. And I assume, ESPN's already very expensive price tag ($7-8/mo) will only go up as they keep losing non-viewer subscriber subsidies.

As someone else mentioned, it does seem to make more sense for the content producers, the leagues themselves, to handle the distribution of this all. As bad as it's about to get for ESPN, the regional sports networks are going to get it even worse. Baseball is my favorite sport, but there's no way the regional TV deals can be justified by the viewership (instead, even moreso than ESPN, they are getting paid from subscribers that don't watch). I assume at some point, those deals will either get a lot smaller or MLB will just take over it all. MLB.tv (and NBA League Pass) is an outstanding value. If they doubled the price tomorrow, I wouldn't blink. If they tripled it, I'd blink, but probably still buy (I'm saving a hell of a lot of money not buying traditional cable).
Well it's a great value when they aren't paying production costs and announcer fees

 
Well it's a great value when they aren't paying production costs and announcer fees
Which is why I really hope the cordcutting trend slows dramatically. I really like having people that don't mind paying $200 a month for a cable package to help subsidize my internet costs and semi ala carte viewing. I fear the golden age of corduttting has probably already come and is about to go. We're all saving a bunch of money now, but it can't last if a bunch more people do it.

 
Which is why I really hope the cordcutting trend slows dramatically. I really like having people that don't mind paying $200 a month for a cable package to help subsidize my internet costs and semi ala carte viewing. I fear the golden age of corduttting has probably already come and is about to go. We're all saving a bunch of money now, but it can't last if a bunch more people do it.
Ncaa rights fees will be the first thing to really feel this. 

If we are at 1995 cable penetration rates in 2025 rights fees will be at 1995 levels. 

 
Which is why I really hope the cordcutting trend slows dramatically. I really like having people that don't mind paying $200 a month for a cable package to help subsidize my internet costs and semi ala carte viewing. I fear the golden age of corduttting has probably already come and is about to go. We're all saving a bunch of money now, but it can't last if a bunch more people do it.
I will cut the cord now

 
Unbundling is coming. But probably not for a while yet. It is going to do to cable companies and other networks what it has done to ESPN.

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this earlier in the thread (I haven't been through the whole thing), but cord cutting will eventually have a negative impact on all pro and college sports economics. There has been a massive bubble in TV contract values, salaries (for players and coaches), and pro franchise values. It has all been subsidized by non-sports fans paying significant monthly fees for ESPN, since it was ubiquitous in basic cable packages.
I can't even get ESPN on the package I have with DIRECTV and I believe I'm one up from the lowest. 

So I don't watch it at all. 

If they'd do ala carte I might throw it in there. It really sucks to have like 400 channels that you never even consider watching at least 90% of them. 

 
It doesn't help the networks either when NBA teams rest their stars during primetime games.
Some of that stuff in general is negotiated in broadcasting rights.  For example--when the NFL made a deal with ESPN for Monday night football and the NFL Draft--they charged ESPN waaaaaaay more money than they charged other networks for things like Sunday night football--and actually gave ESPN less rights in their contract. For example--in other contracts--like the Sunday Night games--games can actually be flexed in and out if the matchup is not premium.  Espn did not get any of those rights.  Essentially--many of the major sporting leagues stuck it to ESPN during contract negotiations because they understand that ESPN's content is primarily dependent on their product.   A lot of the major networks like NBC do not depend of sports for the majority of their content--so they have less at stake--and are in a better position to negotiate.  If you look at what ESPN is paying for their NFL rights versus what many of the other carriers are--they are paying a huge premium.  These giant premiums that are locked in for years to come are what is going to make life very challenging and different for ESPN.  

 
Some of that stuff in general is negotiated in broadcasting rights.  For example--when the NFL made a deal with ESPN for Monday night football and the NFL Draft--they charged ESPN waaaaaaay more money than they charged other networks for things like Sunday night football--and actually gave ESPN less rights in their contract. For example--in other contracts--like the Sunday Night games--games can actually be flexed in and out if the matchup is not premium.  Espn did not get any of those rights.  Essentially--many of the major sporting leagues stuck it to ESPN during contract negotiations because they understand that ESPN's content is primarily dependent on their product.   A lot of the major networks like NBC do not depend of sports for the majority of their content--so they have less at stake--and are in a better position to negotiate.  If you look at what ESPN is paying for their NFL rights versus what many of the other carriers are--they are paying a huge premium.  These giant premiums that are locked in for years to come are what is going to make life very challenging and different for ESPN.  
I don't think flexing a Monday night game is workable in any situation for any network, but the rest is 100% dead on.  

 
If they really want to save some cash they should have no announcers.  Just show the event as if you were in a seat in the stadium.  That would rock

 
Some of that stuff in general is negotiated in broadcasting rights.  For example--when the NFL made a deal with ESPN for Monday night football and the NFL Draft--they charged ESPN waaaaaaay more money than they charged other networks for things like Sunday night football--and actually gave ESPN less rights in their contract. For example--in other contracts--like the Sunday Night games--games can actually be flexed in and out if the matchup is not premium.  Espn did not get any of those rights.  Essentially--many of the major sporting leagues stuck it to ESPN during contract negotiations because they understand that ESPN's content is primarily dependent on their product.   A lot of the major networks like NBC do not depend of sports for the majority of their content--so they have less at stake--and are in a better position to negotiate.  If you look at what ESPN is paying for their NFL rights versus what many of the other carriers are--they are paying a huge premium.  These giant premiums that are locked in for years to come are what is going to make life very challenging and different for ESPN.  
Their MNF deal definitely sucks but I think part of the insane premium are the rights they're getting to use NFL highlights across all ESPN properties, all day, every week. It helps them cover a huge piece of their programming needs. 

 
Their MNF deal definitely sucks but I think part of the insane premium are the rights they're getting to use NFL highlights across all ESPN properties, all day, every week. It helps them cover a huge piece of their programming needs. 
Oh absolutely--and thats exactly the point that I was making--and it's not just the NFL.  Most of the major sports leagues charged ESPN a huge premium for their broadcasting rights because of this very reason.  The leagues knew that ESPN was in a terrible negotiating position and took major advantage of this.   

 
Andrew Brandt is done with ESPN too.  He was only on TV a handful of times mostly on shows like Outside the Lines but he's fantastic and very educational on twitter, which he will continue.

 
This is just the very beginning of the bursting sports bubble. The next domino to fall is going to be TV contracts, which will lead directly to player salaries.

The money just isn't there, folks.

 
If they really want to save some cash they should have no announcers.  Just show the event as if you were in a seat in the stadium.  That would rock
They tried that once for an NFL game.  Early 80s, Jets game I think.  It was an awful experiment.  

ETA:

 

The Announcerless Game was an American football contest played on December 20, 1980, between the New York Jets and the Miami Dolphins of the National Football League. As an experiment, the NBC television network broadcast it without assigning any commentators to cover it. The two teams were playing the last game of that season for them as neither had qualified for the playoffs, and since the game was being broadcast nationally NBC executive Don Ohlmeyer decided on the idea to boost what would otherwise have been weak ratings. The Jets won a 24–17 upset victory.[1]

To replace the announcers, the network used more graphics than usual and asked the public address announcer at Miami's Orange Bowl to impart more information than he typically did. Efforts to use more sensitive microphones and pick up more sound from the field, however, did not succeed. While the experiment did increase the telecast's ratings, it was widely regarded as a failure since it did not provide sufficient context for viewers. No network broadcasting any major North American professional team sport has ever tried it again, except through alternate feeds of games offered with announcers

 
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This is just the very beginning of the bursting sports bubble. The next domino to fall is going to be TV contracts, which will lead directly to player salaries.

The money just isn't there, folks.
The money is still there. Its just not there on tv anymore

 

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