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ESPN no defensive points for Philly D on fumble out of the endzone (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Syxxx
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Yeah, I can see why, but it is a turnover. Thanks
got it, thanks
titusbramble
Footballguy
You got three fumbles, don't be greedy lol
Hahaha. I lost last week on MNF punt return in OT
I need all points!
Stat Correction
Footballguy
That's harsh...
Rtsports initially gave me points for that but changed it before the game was over. Apparently they dont have a no take backsies policy like I do.
styleride85
Footballguy
as is a 4th down stop.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I think people always get confused because the offensive player gets credited with a fumble lost.
Which it is.
But I feel like this question gets asked almost every year.
So, while it’s pretty black and white, I guess it’s still a little confusing.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
If we want to get really hypothetical.
The endzone sort of recovers the fumble.
Therefore why does a defense get credited with a safety if a player steps out of bound in the end zone?
In both situations the defense cause the fumble and the player to step out.
But the end zone did all the work.
gucci little piggy
Footballguy
On the Sleeper App, they just added an extra fumble recovery for the Eagles D...don't know if it'll stick, but kinda weird that it just came in.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
1. It wasn’t a forced fumble
2. The Eagles D/ST didn’t have a FR.
3. JJ lost a fumble - he should lose points
2. The Eagles D/ST didn’t have a FR.
3. JJ lost a fumble - he should lose points
I dont disagree no points but isnt that the most awful rule in sports. Fumble the ball out of bounds at the 1 inch line and you retain the ball at the 1 inch line but dont dare have that same fumble cross the goal line at the 1 inch line and go out of bounds on that same sideline....FAR FAR too punitive to award the other team at the 20 yard line no less for a fumble they didnt even recover.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But it didn’t go out of bounds at the 1” line so why would they possibly award it to the offense at the 1” line?
Like a kickoff, it goes into the end zone it comes out at the 20.
Totally consistent, makes perfect sense. I fail to see the outrage.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO they’ll reverse it. Eagles D did nothing on that play & should get zero points.
I think my description is much much more fair than yours. On a kickoff the normal IS for the other team to get the ball....by rule you kick it the other team gets the ball. The only reason the kicking team gets the ball back is if they RECOVER a turnover. Otherwise the fumbling team keeps the ball (whether it is fumbled/muffed in the endzone or outside of it.) 2 COMPLETELY different situations. With a fumble across the endzone and out of bounds WITHOUT A RECOVERY that is a huge penalty. As far as I am concerned the penalties for infractions should fit the infraction. Holding 10 yards great.... personal foul 15 yards..makes sense. Dude interferes on a long pass that would have probably been a td...give the offense the ball at the one. All seem to be appropriate to me. But rewarding the team the ball at the 20 yard going the other way when a similar fumble wouldnt have even ended up being a turnover (because there was no recovery) just because it was 1/4 yard father down field doesnt seem at all apropriate to me. The penalty simply doesnt fit the crime so to speak.
Runkle
Footballguy
The following changes MUST be made to fantasy football:
1) Fumble out of the Endzone - turnover - give the D credit
2) Pass Interference - the whole point of the spot penalty is to say "Yeah, that was so patently unfair we're going to give the receiver credit for the catch" - so let's do the same. One reception and the yards should be credited
3) Defensive Touchdowns - two changes are needed:
A) Points should not count against the D/ST. They are not on the field. If the QB throws a pick-six, don't penalize the D with Points Against.
B) In both Hockey and Soccer they recognize an own goal needs to be credited to someone. Fantasy should do the same. The last offensive player to have a successful play on the team that scores gets the credit. Just like the last offensive player that touches the puck or soccer ball gets credit for the goal. Did the RB get a 2 yard gain on 3rd down last series before the punt? Credit him the TD. Did a receiver catch the ball just short of the first down, then they punted, the other team threw a pick six? Give that WR a TD catch and the QB a TD pass.
It's the only way to make it make sense.
1) Fumble out of the Endzone - turnover - give the D credit
2) Pass Interference - the whole point of the spot penalty is to say "Yeah, that was so patently unfair we're going to give the receiver credit for the catch" - so let's do the same. One reception and the yards should be credited
3) Defensive Touchdowns - two changes are needed:
A) Points should not count against the D/ST. They are not on the field. If the QB throws a pick-six, don't penalize the D with Points Against.
B) In both Hockey and Soccer they recognize an own goal needs to be credited to someone. Fantasy should do the same. The last offensive player to have a successful play on the team that scores gets the credit. Just like the last offensive player that touches the puck or soccer ball gets credit for the goal. Did the RB get a 2 yard gain on 3rd down last series before the punt? Credit him the TD. Did a receiver catch the ball just short of the first down, then they punted, the other team threw a pick six? Give that WR a TD catch and the QB a TD pass.
It's the only way to make it make sense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If the player fumbles it on their own why in the wide world of sports would you possibly award anything to the defense?
JJ was untouched. To say you “must” award points to the defense seems preposterous to me.
Yeah unless you get points for forced fumbles as opposed to fumbles recovered I agree with that one. for FF purposes it should be treated as any other fumble out of bounds
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But that’s the point… It is not the forced humble. It is an unforced fumble.
The Defense had nothing to do with Justin Jefferson’s fumble.
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Well ...yeah except for the eagle who knocked him completely off balance at the 5/6 when he had to hold up to catch the ball and the other one who was tackling him around the waist at the 1 while he dives for the corner. Otherwise he just strolls into the endzone and doesnt even fumble.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Eh. He maintained control through contact.
He fumbled when he dove and extended his arm.
The contact had nothing to do with the fumble. I award the defender zero points.
Haha without that defense there isnt even a dive much less a fumble. Its ok to admit it. First dude hit him so hard he stumbled lol "the defense had nothing to do with Justin Jefferson's fumble" doesnt pass the giggle test lol
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There’s a difference between a tackle & a forced fumble.
I just watched it again. JJ reached out and just lost the ball. Again, the tackler didn’t force that.
There was no forced fumble on the play.
But we can agree to disagree.
Its been fun sparring with you. Truth be told I think we both know the other has valid points...even if we will never agree.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Definitely.
I still think a touchback is the right call. I know others will never agree with that.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If a player runs out of the back of the end zone, does the D get credit for the safety?
kutta
Footballguy
But even if there was a forced fumble from the D, if it goes out of the end zone it’s a touchback.
Are you saying in that case you’d be OK awarding the D with points?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not at all no. It’s a touchback. There was no DFR
