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BigTex

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Here's Brad Sham's story on dallascowboys.com:

Nothing But The Facts, PleaseBrad Sham October 25, 2006 6:12 PMIRVING, Texas - We must do better than this. And in this case, by "this," I'm not referring to quarterback play or safety coverage. And by "we," I don't mean the Cowboys. I mean us, the media. We're doing a sloppy reporting job, and once it starts there's no telling where it ends. And specifically, I'm calling out ESPN, The Worldwide Leader in Sports. Don't misunderstand. This is not a bitter vendetta. I am an ESPN fan. And normally criticizing a specific media outlet is not something I endorse, not from this corner. But on Tuesday, you and I got wrong information. We must do better than this. Tuesday, ESPN reported from the NFL owners' meeting in New Orleans that there had to be a brewing firestorm between Cowboys' coach Bill Parcells and owner Jerry Jones. There had to be, because Parcells made the halftime quarterback change Monday night from Drew Bledsoe to Tony Romo and Jones was against it. Jones was against it, and he was publicly saying he thought his coach had made the wrong choice. To prove it, ESPN ran a sound byte from a TV interview with Jones. Asked if he had spoken to Parcells about the change and if he agreed with it, Jones said, "We discuss all the time. I really don't know. I thought the best chance for us to be where we wanted to be, which was contending in the playoffs, was to go with the experienced quarterback, which was Drew. And I don't know that I've changed my mind about that at all." And ESPN had their story. In SportsCenters, big stories ran about the Jerry-Bill controversy. Wednesday morning on the popular Mike and Mike in the Morning show, which simulcasts on ESPN Radio and ESPN2 television, multiple segments were devoted to the split between Jones and Parcells. Listen, I'm a Mike and Mike fan. I mean, I'm a Mike fan and a Mike fan and a Mike and Mike fan. They're entertaining, and I believe what I hear there. I know the network's Cowboys beat reporter, Ed Werder, to be a person and journalist of quality and integrity. Werder did break the national story before the game Monday night that Romo was on alert and might come in. But Werder wasn't part of the New Orleans or Bristol, Conn., reporting on Jones' comments from Tuesday. Too bad. Because we didn't get the whole story from ESPN. In fact, much worse happened. We got a wrong story. The sound byte from Jones was accurate, all right, and as far as it goes it does indeed appear that he endorses Bledsoe as the quarterback. If only his entire comment had run, as it did on some local outlets later Tuesday night, and on the Talkin' Cowboys radio show on the Cowboys Radio Network and DallasCowboys.com Wednesday morning. The rest of the quote shows Jones straddling the fence in his answer, and in fact endorsing no one. When you simply hear the rest of the answer, which in fact you could do by going to ESPN's website, you hear him say, after saying he hasn't changed his mind about the value of an experienced quarterback: "But we've got to win games, and we've got to give ourselves every opportunity to. There's no question Romo's got more mobility, and he can mitigate some of the problems we have with Drew's mobility. On the other hand, you saw (Monday night) we give up some good stuff experience-wise, too. It'll be a tough decision." So what's the difference? Why make a big to-do about it? Because leaving out half the quote completely changes its meaning, and thus the story. In fact, if there's no conflict between Jones and Parcells, there is no story. This becomes highly disappointing to the national reporters (and the local ones) who have been waiting for that since the day Parcells was hired. I'm a big freedom of the press guy. I believe that those in power, whether government or private business or the head of the family, tend to watch out for their self-interests by telling us only what they want us to know. Nothing wrong with that from their perspective. It's their job. It's just that as consumers and/or citizens, we're entitled to more. Parcells and Jones are entitled to tell you as little as they can get away with. You, as a consumer of products like their sponsors and their tickets, are entitled to information, as much as we can get. That's where the media comes in. And that's why it is absolutely incumbent on the media to be above reproach. We are the ones who are supposed to tell you what's really is happening, not what the people in power want you to know. How can the system work at all if we are either too lazy to tell the whole story or too dishonest to change what we report if it's not what we want to report? Sadly, there is truth in the old joking journalistic adage, "Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story." Some of this happened in the Terrell Owens reporting in the last month. Answers to questions from a Monday were put on the questions from Wednesday, because it fit the story better. If you didn't know what to believe, you wouldn't know what to believe. Someday Jones and Parcells will part ways. Maybe it will be amicably, when Bill rides into the sunset. Maybe it will be acrimonious, when one of them just gets sick of the way things are going. But the fact right now is that they're not fighting over this. Maybe they have different ideas, but they're not fighting. And any attempt to tell you otherwise is one of two dangerous things: It's either very lazy, sloppy reporting or it's intentionally dishonest. I'm going to pick lazy and sloppy, because I do not wish to believe that someone with so much influence in this profession I hold dear would intentionally manipulate the facts simply because they could and wanted to. What we should be reporting is what Jones said Wednesday in comments taped to run on the NFL Network. Asked if the change was due to the play of Bledsoe or because this particular change combined with the rest of the Cowboys' personnel on offense gave the team the best chance to win right now, he quickly responded, "I think you've nailed it right there." The public may not always like the media, but usually you trust us because you have little other choice about getting information. It's really, really bad when we let you down like we did this week.
Everday I'm losing more and more faith in ESPN.
 
Everday I'm losing more and more faith in ESPN.
I hate ESPN. Except for the fact they play games and show highlights they are worthless. :thumbdown:
So I take it you don't plan on getting one of those shiny new ESPN credit cards?
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: No, but I did stay at the Motel Six last night. I'd rather have a Sesame Street card.........Big Bird, thank you.It's one thing to jump on a story early and get it wrong, but to manipulate audio to get a jurk off is pretty low. :thumbdown:
 
Everday I'm losing more and more faith in ESPN.
I hate ESPN. Except for the fact they play games and show highlights they are worthless. :thumbdown:
:goodposting:
:goodposting:It's even more difficult to avoid them for college sports because they rule the college football and basketball coverage. You could get away without watching them for the NFL and just miss one game a week, esp if you had NFL Network.
 
Over the last few years, we've seen ESPN turn into tabloid journalism with their TO-baiting and the whole 9 yards....

 
Over the last few years, we've seen ESPN turn into tabloid journalism with their TO-baiting and the whole 9 yards....
I think the downhill slide started over ten years ago, when the producers decided to turn sports highlight voice-overs into a hip comedy act starring Berman, Olbermann and Patrick. The announcers became as big or a bigger part of the show than the sports highlights they were showing.
 
Over the last few years, we've seen ESPN turn into tabloid journalism with their TO-baiting and the whole 9 yards....
I think the downhill slide started over ten years ago, when the producers decided to turn sports highlight voice-overs into a hip comedy act starring Berman, Olbermann and Patrick. The announcers became as big or a bigger part of the show than the sports highlights they were showing.
You may be right, but my take is that at least then they were still just reporting the news, not making and affecting the news. They just reported highlights with a little flair. They didn't take a soundbite and fabricate a whole speculative story around it. Today, that's their bread & butter.They're just an out of control monster, making up b.s. at will. Also particularly distasteful is their penchant for hyping certain players to the moon while dragging others through the muck to further that cause.ESPN Sucks.
 
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Count me as one who has lost some respect for ESPN. It seems that ABC has driven them to be a cross between a news reporting agency and a sports version of the National Enquirer. Is it entertaining at times? Yes but only because I understand what they're trying to do with the entertainment aspect of their business. Sometimes you just go :shrug:

Unfortunately, they have allowed themselves to justifysome of their "stories" by claiming it's analysis. In doing so they have managed to ignore the facts in some cases and slectively tell us what they want. Usually it's some sort of "shock" value that gets our attention and then to keep it we a get a few sound bytes that make the story seem to have some legs.

Three examples come to mind. The whole TO commited suicide and of course they had no facts to back it up so they used a piss poor example on the police report to make their case. And they continue to try to make a story in Dallas that just doesn't seem to be there such as the one mentioned in this thread. Another was their coverage of Clarett. In spite of Clarett's claims that he lied to Tom Friend regarding OSU, they decided to run with it anyway. Otherwise they had no story to report.

So I would say they have lost a great deal of credibilitywhen it come to reporting the actual news/facts. But they sure are entertaining now aren't they? :thumbdown:

 
I can remember first noticing the decline about 10 years ago specifically with basketball highlights on Sportscenter. They'd show some wannabe superstar making a wicked dunk, then show him blocking a shot while talking trash, then they'd show him pushing some guy on the other team after another dunk... and by the way his team lost by 20 points. What? The team the won by 20 didn't have any highlights? That's why you have players doing stupid celebrations after TDs when their team is losing. Because ESPN rewards flash and tabloid nonsense over solid play and solid citizens.

But it's not just ESPN now though they do lead the pack. How many times has Marvin Harrison been on the cover of SI as opposed to TO, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, etc? Thank goodness for the internet.

 
I can remember first noticing the decline about 10 years ago specifically with basketball highlights on Sportscenter. They'd show some wannabe superstar making a wicked dunk, then show him blocking a shot while talking trash, then they'd show him pushing some guy on the other team after another dunk... and by the way his team lost by 20 points. What? The team the won by 20 didn't have any highlights? That's why you have players doing stupid celebrations after TDs when their team is losing. Because ESPN rewards flash and tabloid nonsense over solid play and solid citizens. But it's not just ESPN now though they do lead the pack. How many times has Marvin Harrison been on the cover of SI as opposed to TO, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, etc? Thank goodness for the internet.
:goodposting: And, according to Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star, who wrote a column about a month ago about this - Marvin Harrison has never been on the cover of SI or ESPN the Magazine - and his column called for those magazines to put him on their covers. I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears (covers are about selling magazines, and frankly, Marvin is not much of a pitch-man).
 
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ESPN may be growing out of favor with many die-hard fans. But I don't think they care. They are exploding into the masses. Recent studies have shown the following:

- 97 MILLION Americans watch, listen, or read ESPN each week

- Average American spends 50 minutes/day with ESPN

- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN

- ESPN brand is now more familiar to Americans than the NFL, NIKE, and Gatorade.

- Emotional connection out-ranks Coke, McDonalds, Chevy

- 1 in 2 teens say ESPN influences how they talk and think about sports

- #1 favorite network among men

- #2 favorite network among all adults

- #3 favorite network among all teens behind Comedy Central and MTV

 
I can remember first noticing the decline about 10 years ago specifically with basketball highlights on Sportscenter. They'd show some wannabe superstar making a wicked dunk, then show him blocking a shot while talking trash, then they'd show him pushing some guy on the other team after another dunk... and by the way his team lost by 20 points. What? The team the won by 20 didn't have any highlights? That's why you have players doing stupid celebrations after TDs when their team is losing. Because ESPN rewards flash and tabloid nonsense over solid play and solid citizens. But it's not just ESPN now though they do lead the pack. How many times has Marvin Harrison been on the cover of SI as opposed to TO, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, etc? Thank goodness for the internet.
:lmao: :lmao: Earlier they showed high lights of B. James and they lost the game no highlights of the Mavs.
 
It's the end of ESPN as we know it.

And I feel fine.

Okay, maybe I don't - the channel routinely angers just about every intelligent sports fan I know. Too much to document, I'd flush my entire work day away. They take themselves soooooooo seriously, too.

Tiki Barber is one of my favorite players, btw. At the end of Monday nght I felt like we needed to break up. Why does every story have to be done to death?

Why does every anchor have to have a "sthick?"

 
ESPN may be growing out of favor with many die-hard fans. But I don't think they care. They are exploding into the masses. Recent studies have shown the following:- 97 MILLION Americans watch, listen, or read ESPN each week- Average American spends 50 minutes/day with ESPN- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN- ESPN brand is now more familiar to Americans than the NFL, NIKE, and Gatorade.- Emotional connection out-ranks Coke, McDonalds, Chevy- 1 in 2 teens say ESPN influences how they talk and think about sports- #1 favorite network among men- #2 favorite network among all adults- #3 favorite network among all teens behind Comedy Central and MTV
They are satisfying a demand, much like drug dealers, prostitutes, and McDonalds. The capitalist model does not allow for corporate responsibility. Until people change themselves, it will only get worse.
 
ESPN may be growing out of favor with many die-hard fans. But I don't think they care. They are exploding into the masses. Recent studies have shown the following:- 97 MILLION Americans watch, listen, or read ESPN each week- Average American spends 50 minutes/day with ESPN- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN- ESPN brand is now more familiar to Americans than the NFL, NIKE, and Gatorade.- Emotional connection out-ranks Coke, McDonalds, Chevy- 1 in 2 teens say ESPN influences how they talk and think about sports- #1 favorite network among men- #2 favorite network among all adults- #3 favorite network among all teens behind Comedy Central and MTV
They are satisfying a demand, much like drug dealers, prostitutes, and McDonalds. The capitalist model does not allow for corporate responsibility. Until people change themselves, it will only get worse.
Damn! :thumbup:
 
ESPN may be growing out of favor with many die-hard fans. But I don't think they care. They are exploding into the masses. Recent studies have shown the following:- 97 MILLION Americans watch, listen, or read ESPN each week- Average American spends 50 minutes/day with ESPN- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN- ESPN brand is now more familiar to Americans than the NFL, NIKE, and Gatorade.- Emotional connection out-ranks Coke, McDonalds, Chevy- 1 in 2 teens say ESPN influences how they talk and think about sports- #1 favorite network among men- #2 favorite network among all adults- #3 favorite network among all teens behind Comedy Central and MTV
They are satisfying a demand, much like drug dealers, prostitutes, and McDonalds. The capitalist model does not allow for corporate responsibility. Until people change themselves, it will only get worse.
Damn! :thumbup:
espn sucks thats it
 
- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN
I disagree. I think most male avid sports fans have moved on to the NFL Network, message boards like this, or other internet sources. Then again, it's a question of how you define "avid."We all have friends who say they are an avid sports fan. They say they are a diehard fan of team X. Then, when you actually try and discuss sports with them, you find out they are nothing more than wannabes. They think watching ESPN is what makes them avid. They think wearing a sweatshirt makes them a fan of that team. Then they say something like, "I didn't see the game because I was cleaning my garage." And you call yourself a diehard, an avid sports fan?I have a group of friends who were recently discussing how a man's football-watching drops a lot when they get married. Of course, I'm just standing there like :unsure: because I think I watch more football now than I did before I was married. My wife is thinking, "I wish."Bottom line: Most guys like to consider themselves an avid sports fan. When asked, they'll say they are avid sports fan. But, a lot of them aren't, according to my view of an avid sports fan.
 
ESPN may be growing out of favor with many die-hard fans. But I don't think they care. They are exploding into the masses. Recent studies have shown the following:- 97 MILLION Americans watch, listen, or read ESPN each week- Average American spends 50 minutes/day with ESPN- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN- ESPN brand is now more familiar to Americans than the NFL, NIKE, and Gatorade.- Emotional connection out-ranks Coke, McDonalds, Chevy- 1 in 2 teens say ESPN influences how they talk and think about sports- #1 favorite network among men- #2 favorite network among all adults- #3 favorite network among all teens behind Comedy Central and MTV
They are satisfying a demand, much like drug dealers, prostitutes, and McDonalds. The capitalist model does not allow for corporate responsibility. Until people change themselves, it will only get worse.
They are not only satifying a demand, but they are creating a new demand.
 
Between the ages of 8-16 I loved ESPN/Sportscenter, today I can't even stomach 10 seconds of it... :shrug: Not sure what else to say about but it sucks...

 
This is not the first time THIS year that they've been just simply WRONG. It was just a few weeks ago that they reported Leinart was going to start, when in fact, Warner was still the starter and started one more game after that report.

Earlier this year, I believe they reported that it was a "done deal" that the White Sox had traded for Soriano (I think it was Soriano).

We should keep a running tab on how many stories were actually wrong when reported...

 
Some players seem to share our sentiments.

(Rotoworld) RB Tiki Barber called media members who have criticized him for announcing his pending retirement "idiots."

Impact: "I will call them 'idiots' because they have neither spoken to me nor any one of my teammates or any of my coaches, yet all they do is criticize me for being a distraction with this retirement thing," Barber said. Barber had especially strong words for ESPN's Michael Irvin, whom he sarcastically called " the ultimate character guy" before wondering if he looked "distracted" while beating the Cowboys Monday night.

 
I think if we had a National Sports Network based out of lets say, a Chicago or Dallas, somewhere middle of the country, there would be more happiness in the sports world. Way too many biases where they are located now.

I listen to Sporting News radio quite a but, but many of those guys I can't stand either.

I still watch ESPN, just like I do CNN and MSNBC, but I do it as a smart consumer of what I see and hear. People who take what media says at face value will be led whatever path said media leads.

 
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I'm listening to ESPNRadio right now and they are talking about Leonardio Decaprio.Man, aren't they hip.
OK, how about a 4 hour show about your FF league and your team's chances for winning it all this year? I'd love to hear that.Dude, they're nationally syndicated; it's about 70% sports and 30% percent entertainment.
Other way around partner, the radio stuff is easily 70% NOT sports to 30% SORT OF sports.although i'll admint that I get a kick out of Colin Cowherd once in a while.
 
Between the ages of 8-16 I loved ESPN/Sportscenter, today I can't even stomach 10 seconds of it... :shrug: Not sure what else to say about but it sucks...
:goodposting: I turn it on now and then thinking it can't ALWAYS be this bad. Within 30 seconds, I find myself swearing loudly at no one and turning it off. Thank god for the NFL Network, which is at times brutal (see Rich Eisen) but always 100 times better than ESPN.
 
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More ESPN bashing- last week, Mort reported that if Plummer struggled against the Browns, Cutler would see some p/t. Plummer struggled, and Cutler stayed benched. So then Mort goes out and says "Well, they didn't last week, but I really really mean it... the Broncos are thisclose to playing Plummer"... so then Shanahan issues a statement that, regardless of what "some national media" would lead you to believe, Plummer is still the starting QB, and will remain the starting QB.

I don't care who Mort's source inside Denver is, if he's not Shanahan, he doesn't matter. I sort of feel at this point that Mort keeps running the story and changing the dates ("oh no, Cutler will play THIS week, instead") because he just refuses to admit that he got bad information. And when Cutler finally DOES start, I'm sure Mort will claim he broke the story.

 
Back to the topic for a second...

The entire TO/Parcells/TO's publicist/Philly/Jerry Jones/McNabb/Bledsoe story is tabloid, but sex sells.

Sports + ego's + conflict is the perfect ESPN storm and ESPN is all over any dynamic/controversial story like a hooker on a pole. ESPN has been moving to the entertainment angle a bit back with their programming, but that's the business that they are in, entertainment.

Most of the commentary is meant to get a rise out of the audience (Michael Irvin, Steven A Smith...) but that's the same as any local newspaper columnist that stirs the pot. I prefer Jaws breaking down film, but like a toll booth, ESPN makes you endure BooYa!.

Entertainment rules, not necessarily reasoned and sound commentary.

NFLN>ESPN.

 
O.K., that's it! C. Mortenson (sp? but who really cares) from ESPN said: "A prominent NFL source" told him that C. Simms and M. Schabb are and will be better NFL QBs than P. Rivers and M. Leinert..........What the #### is he talking about! Are you ####### kidding me!

And he agreed because: "This NFL source knows his stuff"

O.K. tell Art Shell to retire today and you retire with him. :wall:

 
- Male avid sports fan spends over 2 hours/day with ESPN
I disagree. I think most male avid sports fans have moved on to the NFL Network, message boards like this, or other internet sources. Then again, it's a question of how you define "avid."We all have friends who say they are an avid sports fan. They say they are a diehard fan of team X. Then, when you actually try and discuss sports with them, you find out they are nothing more than wannabes. They think watching ESPN is what makes them avid. They think wearing a sweatshirt makes them a fan of that team. Then they say something like, "I didn't see the game because I was cleaning my garage." And you call yourself a diehard, an avid sports fan?I have a group of friends who were recently discussing how a man's football-watching drops a lot when they get married. Of course, I'm just standing there like :unsure: because I think I watch more football now than I did before I was married. My wife is thinking, "I wish."Bottom line: Most guys like to consider themselves an avid sports fan. When asked, they'll say they are avid sports fan. But, a lot of them aren't, according to my view of an avid sports fan.
:goodposting: Cracks me up everytime. Funny, because it really only takes about 5 minutes to talk with someone, to see right through it. Sometimes even less than that.
 
ESPN does not know their demo as much as the may claim. If they were serving the hardcore sport fan, like most of the guys on this site, the would not force Michelle Wie, Danica Patrick, and X Games down our throats. They basically created the atrocious POKER craze (where obese pedophile looking guys getting treated like Wayne Gretsky)

I am sincerely convinced that they have some financial interest in all of these people/entities so much that they disguise their propoganda in various shows

Riding Wie on Around the Horn, same story with different buffoons on PTI, and same for Sportscenter directly following. Its sad when Mike and the Mad Dogg becomes a favorable option to get my sports info after work!

Aside from college game day, which as far as Im interested is their best and most "straight" program and NFL countdown, which has its flaws as we all know, the internet for me has replaced ESPN...

 
I wonder how many times ESPN has said T.O.'s name this season?

I really wish my cable company carried NFL Network, because ESPN is like a soap opera for men.

 
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