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[Eminence]

TJ, just stop.

There is a liberal portion of this board that encompasses everything you hate about America. They understand that you clearly disagree and they and their liberal friends are just toying with you.

As firm as you are in your beliefs, they are just as firm in theirs. They don't want intellectual discussion, to have respect in your beliefs, or meet in the middle. They simply want to smear your name since you disagree.

I've made it clear over and over that I respect transgender rights in this thread but chumps like Tim are still insisting on saying I am prejudice, a bigot, etc. They don't care about the issue as much as they truly care about their internet reputation.

Some of these people are sad and pathetic who only want to point and laugh at the responses they get out of you.

...you're getting trolled.

 

[timschochet]

Wow, I've been called a lot of things in this forum but I think chump is a first.

I've been fingerblasted!

 

[SIDA!]

fe·male
ˈfēˌmāl/
adjective
adjective: female
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Female does not equal "she" or "her", apparently. Having a ###### doesn't make you a female, either. Apparently, it just means whatever the hell we want it to mean when we want it to mean it.

Tomorrow, I want to be a flower...a beautiful little flower. You don't need to understand it...you just have to accept it. We don't need no bigotry against trans-species around here.

 

[cstu]

Even lesbians have problems with transgender women.

While you would think that cis dykes (being more trans aware than the public at large) would take such coming outs in stride, this is not actually the case. Trans female friends of mine have had to suffer through cis dyke “freak out” moments, or even accusations of deception, that rival stereotypical reactions of straight people. … [C]is dykes—many of whom pride themselves on their progressive politics and subversive sexualities—tend to be far more conservative and conforming to our culture’s “yuck-dating-a-trans-woman-is-gross” mindset than their cis male counterparts, at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area.

 

[chauncey]

footballguys.com

football

guys

Sometimes I wonder how some of you found your way to this corner of the internet. It had to be an accident.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

This thread is still going? It's like the Energizer bunny of who-gives-a-####.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

You "win", RN.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Does Caitlyns butt hurt?

Your link is broken.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

This thread is still going? It's like the Energizer bunny of who-gives-a-####.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Does Caitlyns butt hurt?

Your link is broken.

Sorry.........no link....for some reason when I post it's underlinedI'm as confused as HE is !!!!

I tried it again. It's still broken.

 

[Chemical X]

that's what she said

 

[General Tso]

Wow, I've been called a lot of things in this forum but I think chump is a first.

LOL. He went old-school on you.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

TJ, just stop.

There is a liberal portion of this board that encompasses everything you hate about America. They understand that you clearly disagree and they and their liberal friends are just toying with you.

As firm as you are in your beliefs, they are just as firm in theirs. They don't want intellectual discussion, to have respect in your beliefs, or meet in the middle. They simply want to smear your name since you disagree.

I've made it clear over and over that I respect transgender rights in this thread but chumps like Tim are still insisting on saying I am prejudice, a bigot, etc. They don't care about the issue as much as they truly care about their internet reputation.

Some of these people are sad and pathetic who only want to point and laugh at the responses they get out of you.

...you're getting trolled.

 

[rockaction]

TJ, just stop.

There is a liberal portion of this board that encompasses everything you hate about America. They understand that you clearly disagree and they and their liberal friends are just toying with you.

As firm as you are in your beliefs, they are just as firm in theirs. They don't want intellectual discussion, to have respect in your beliefs, or meet in the middle. They simply want to smear your name since you disagree.

I've made it clear over and over that I respect transgender rights in this thread but chumps like Tim are still insisting on saying I am prejudice, a bigot, etc. They don't care about the issue as much as they truly care about their internet reputation.

Some of these people are sad and pathetic who only want to point and laugh at the responses they get out of you.

...you're getting trolled.

Actually, you're just meeting a brick wall that loves to holler "bigot" and put you on the defensive for every thought you might think or any question about the veracity of the transgender claim and any doubts you might have about dysphoria writ large. It's a way of shutting down a debate that activists are scared to have. Regardless, there's a bit of truth in Eminence's statement today. So I'll give him a...

 

[squistion]

TJ, just stop.

There is a liberal portion of this board that encompasses everything you hate about America. They understand that you clearly disagree and they and their liberal friends are just toying with you.

As firm as you are in your beliefs, they are just as firm in theirs. They don't want intellectual discussion, to have respect in your beliefs, or meet in the middle. They simply want to smear your name since you disagree.

I've made it clear over and over that I respect transgender rights in this thread but chumps like Tim are still insisting on saying I am prejudice, a bigot, etc. They don't care about the issue as much as they truly care about their internet reputation.

Some of these people are sad and pathetic who only want to point and laugh at the responses they get out of you...you're getting trolled.

Eminence, a person has a right to hold and express an opinion that others find to be racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic, but that doesn't earn them the right to have that opinion given respect and others have the right to call them out when they spew this perceived bigotry. And every issue does not always have two sides that are of equal validity that requires people to "meet in the middle" or agree to disagree. Please.

 

[rockaction]

TJ, just stop.

There is a liberal portion of this board that encompasses everything you hate about America. They understand that you clearly disagree and they and their liberal friends are just toying with you.

As firm as you are in your beliefs, they are just as firm in theirs. They don't want intellectual discussion, to have respect in your beliefs, or meet in the middle. They simply want to smear your name since you disagree.

I've made it clear over and over that I respect transgender rights in this thread but chumps like Tim are still insisting on saying I am prejudice, a bigot, etc. They don't care about the issue as much as they truly care about their internet reputation.

Some of these people are sad and pathetic who only want to point and laugh at the responses they get out of you.

...you're getting trolled.

Actually, you're just meeting a brick wall that loves to holler "bigot" and put you on the defensive for every thought you might think or any question about the veracity of the transgender claim and any doubts you might have about dysphoria writ large. It's a way of shutting down a debate that activists are scared to have. Regardless, there's a bit of truth in Eminence's statement today. So I'll give him a...

Em has consistently spewed some of the most vile bigoted and ignorant statements of anyone in here.

Sad thing is, I know that and yet still see through the bigotry to agree with his overall point about the workings of the board.

I'll give props to the hollering leftists on the board, too, keeping ad hominem and citing authority as fallacies in mind.

 

[Politician Spock]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

 

[rockaction]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

Damn ..that was a swift kick in the groin.

 

[Scoresman]

The "bigot" and "hate" terms may be used a bit too freely, but there are a few people on this board whom the terms are accurately applied to from their posting history in various threads.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

The "bigot" and "hate" terms may be used a bit too freely, but there are a few people on this board whom the terms are accurately applied to from their posting history in various threads.

Don't forget the whiny little politically correct a** kissers who cry bigotry and hatred anytime someone disagrees with their viewpoint.

 

[Politician Spock]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

If you are going to use strict literal interpretation of my post, then this thread must have been filled with swords, bullets and bombs. Given the lack of such evidence, logic suggests your response to my post is complete bunk.

 

[rockaction]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

If you are going to use strict literal interpretation of my post, then this thread must have been filled with swords, bullets and bombs. Given the lack of such evidence, logic suggests your response to my post is complete bunk.

I disagree because I always think about language, and yours betrays how the average activist thinks. Battle, war, etc.

But I take your point about colloquialisms, and if you used it innocuously and have now considered how you speak about these things, carry on.

My point is that those words are there for a reason, and when we adopt language and its definitions, we adopt a certain set of beliefs that go along with it.

 

[Politician Spock]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

If you are going to use strict literal interpretation of my post, then this thread must have been filled with swords, bullets and bombs. Given the lack of such evidence, logic suggests your response to my post is complete bunk.

I disagree because I always think about language, and yours betrays how the average activist thinks. Battle, war, etc.

But I take your point about colloquialisms, and if you used it innocuously and have now considered how you speak about these things, carry on.

My point is that those words are there for a reason, and when we adopt language and its definitions, we adopt a certain set of beliefs that go along with it.

The intent of my post was not to define the debate, but to point out how weak the argument the other side is now hanging on to is. Do they have anything of value left to say other than it hurts to be called out for what they are?

 

[rockaction]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

If you are going to use strict literal interpretation of my post, then this thread must have been filled with swords, bullets and bombs. Given the lack of such evidence, logic suggests your response to my post is complete bunk.

I disagree because I always think about language, and yours betrays how the average activist thinks. Battle, war, etc.

But I take your point about colloquialisms, and if you used it innocuously and have now considered how you speak about these things, carry on.

My point is that those words are there for a reason, and when we adopt language and its definitions, we adopt a certain set of beliefs that go along with it.

The intent of my post was not to define the debate, but to point out how weak the argument the other side is now hanging on to is. Do they have anything of value left to say other than it hurts to be called out for what they are?

I would refer you to the Bruce Jenner thread. I think I posted some points in there that were valid and not bigoted, but very skeptical.

 

[Politician Spock]

You know the battle is won when the losers start playing the victim card.

If you view it as a "battle" to be "won," then perhaps the problem lies with how you see reasoned and measured debate. A battle implies a social or political force that trumps...

wait for it...

LOGIC.

eta* and even, then, with your avatar, I would argue that the inherited wisdom of millions of social years actually trump logic, which is really the problem with your avatar, not your deviation from it.

If you are going to use strict literal interpretation of my post, then this thread must have been filled with swords, bullets and bombs. Given the lack of such evidence, logic suggests your response to my post is complete bunk.

I disagree because I always think about language, and yours betrays how the average activist thinks. Battle, war, etc.

But I take your point about colloquialisms, and if you used it innocuously and have now considered how you speak about these things, carry on.

My point is that those words are there for a reason, and when we adopt language and its definitions, we adopt a certain set of beliefs that go along with it.

The intent of my post was not to define the debate, but to point out how weak the argument the other side is now hanging on to is. Do they have anything of value left to say other than it hurts to be called out for what they are?

I would refer you to the Bruce Jenner thread. I think I posted some points in there that were valid and not bigoted, but very skeptical.

Are you suggesting that you now speak for those in this thread who deserve to be called out for being what they've shown to be in this thread?

 

[rockaction]

That was weird.

Uh, no. But the tactic of calling somebody a "bigot" for holding a differing opinion than contemporary society seems to have taken on a life of its own, and I agree with even the bigots on that point.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

bigoted


[ ˈbigətid ]



ADJECTIVE
adjective: bigoted


having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others:


Now who is really the bigot in this thread....

 

[Politician Spock]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

 

[Limp Ditka]

What was that about a swift kick in the groin?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know.......I'm clear, as I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception. What you still fail to realize is a person can disagree with another persons choice or life style without hating them.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

 

[Politician Spock]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

 

[Scoresman]

the old "intolerance of intolerance" argument is getting thrown around again I see.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

 

[Politician Spock]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

 

[rockaction]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

What if I call him a him?

 

[Freelove]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

What if I call him a him?

What if I fully support the LGBT community, but I just think it was a little cowardly to try to change himself into a 35 year old woman instead of a 65 year old one?

 

[squistion]

the old "intolerance of intolerance" argument is getting thrown around again I see.

Along with pointing out that someone is a bigot somehow makes one a bigot (?). And what is it with conservatives trotting out dictionary definitions as if that is (literally) the last word on a subject? I can imagine the reaction if someone on the left quoted Merriam-Webster and stated that the topic under discussion was now settled.

 

[Politician Spock]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

What if I call him a him?

I don't see anything wrong with that. Some others here seem to take issue with it though. The burden is on them to explain why.

 

[Politician Spock]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot



noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.

The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

What if I call him a him?

What if I fully support the LGBT community, but I just think it was a little cowardly to try to change himself into a 35 year old woman instead of a 65 year old one?

From what I understand, ripping into fashion and makeup choices is a sport within the female world. So if you lean that way, go for it.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Can someone post a list of the ESPY winners?

 

[urbanhack]

Can someone post a list of the ESPY winners?

sure

 

[CBusAlex]

Uh, no. But the tactic of calling somebody a "bigot" for holding a differing opinion than contemporary society seems to have taken on a life of its own, and I agree with even the bigots on that point.

Believing that Eminence is a bigot is a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion. Why is it that you and your ilk are always trying to shut down discussion of that issue just because you have different opinion?

 

[General Tso]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot







noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\



: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

And know that I have zero remorse for not calling Bruce.. Caitlyn.. and/ or he a she. until he is completely physically transformed into a female. Once complete I will gladly do so.

I don't care what you choose to call Jenner as long as it is not derogatory AND aimed at Jenner being a transgender.

If you want to call Jenner an ### for being an attention whore, be my guest.

What if I call him a him?

I don't see anything wrong with that. Some others here seem to take issue with it though. The burden is on them to explain why.

I guess I'd pose the question - why would you call Jenner a he when her preference is to be called a she? What's the harm in ceding to a person's wishes on this?

 

[T J]

No one is calling people an adjective. People are calling people a noun.

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

bigot

noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Thanks, good to know....... I don't hate or refuse to accept anybody.....You sir on the other hand refuse to accept anybody who does not agree or think like you...I will go so far to say you also hate them as you result to name calling almost without exception.The first part of the definition.

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

If that's what it takes to help kids from committing suicide, then label me guilty as such, and know that I have zero remorse from being a bigot towards bigots of transgenders.

So gallant. My hero...(swoons).

 

[Politician Spock]

I guess I'd pose the question - why would you call Jenner a he when her preference is to be called a she?

Because he meets the definition of a he.

What's the harm in ceding to a person's wishes on this?

There's no harm in ceding to a person's wishes. But it's the other person's prerogative whether to cede or not. It made for some good comedy on the Seinfeld "Maestro" episode.

 

[General Tso]

I guess I'd pose the question - why would you call Jenner a he when her preference is to be called a she?

Because he meets the definition of a he.

What's the harm in ceding to a person's wishes on this?

There's no harm in ceding to a person's wishes. But it's the other person's prerogative whether to cede or not. It made for some good comedy on the Seinfeld "Maestro" episode.

That definition is very much up for debate though, right? And with that in mind, why wouldn't someone just exercise a small modicum of kindness and cede to that simple request? Is it going to do harm not to?

 

[squistion]

I guess I'd pose the question - why would you call Jenner a he when her preference is to be called a she? What's the harm in ceding to a person's wishes on this?

There really is no harm. I would suspect the refusal is a not so subtle show of disrespect, not only to Jenner, but to transgender people in general - the thinking is probably along the lines that calling her Caitlyn or "she" somehow legitimizes it. Reminds me of people in the 80s who refused to use the term "gay" for homosexuals, arguing that according to the dictionary the word meant "happy" and they would usually add that they thought this lifesyle was "sad" and nothing to be happy about.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Can someone post a list of the ESPY winners?

sure

Holy ####! Caitlyn Jenner won the Auther Ashe Award for Courage?? I had no idea!

 

[Politician Spock]

I guess I'd pose the question - why would you call Jenner a he when her preference is to be called a she?

Because he meets the definition of a he.

What's the harm in ceding to a person's wishes on this?

There's no harm in ceding to a person's wishes. But it's the other person's prerogative whether to cede or not. It made for some good comedy on the Seinfeld "Maestro" episode.

That definition is very much up for debate though, right? And with that in mind, why wouldn't someone just exercise a small modicum of kindness and cede to that simple request? Is it going to do harm not to?

If the debate is about word definitions, then count me out. Words aren't the victims here.

As for showing kindness, again it's the prerogative of the person whether or not they show kindness. Whether or not showing kindness does no harm does not obligate one to show kindness.