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[bud29]

Glad to see the entire situation is reaching its tipping point.

How so

We're beginning to see more and more opposition towards Bruce Jenner. On top of that, we're starting to see more support for this opposition. The more he prances around as a 60 year old delusional man, the more people are realizing there is nothing normal or courageous about the situation.I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone mutilating their body. But the situation is quickly switching from courageous to train wreck each passing day.

That's what you took out of all of this huh

He's got a point. I thought bigotry towards LGBT was significantly less today than it was years ago. The past day has revealed just how prevalent the bigotry still is. It's the like the country regressed 10 years in 24 hours.

 

[Politician Spock]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

 

[T J]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

Don't deflect (very Obama-esque). Answer the question you were asked.

 

[apalmer]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

Don't deflect (very Obama-esque). Answer the question you were asked.

Nice deflection. Very Rush-like.

 

[Politician Spock]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

Don't deflect (very Obama-esque). Answer the question you were asked.

It's not deflecting (which you have done numerous time in this thread). I'm honing in on the answer.

If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be masculine, how is that possible if their body as ovaries and boobs? If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be female, how is that possible to if their body has #### and a penis?

 

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[Ditka Butkus]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

In that case maybe he is a genius....he has found the loophole to allow him to go into female bathrooms and locker rooms and look at their junk.

 

[eoMMan]

http://www.hollywoodtake.com/caitlyn-jenner-earning-more-money-bruce-why-i-am-cait-stars-net-worth-could-be-higher-83914

Im not doing it for money, Caitlyn told Vanity Fair of her transition. Im doing it to help my soul and help other people. If I can make a dollar, I certainly am not stupid. [i have] house payments and all that kind of stuff. I will never make an excuse for something like that. Yeah, this is a business. You dont go out and change your gender for a television show. O.K., it aint happening. I dont care who you are.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

So you acknowledge the part where Jenner says she won't make any excuses about making money off of this and that this is a business?

It's about time we got down to business to save thousands of kids from killing themselves, don't you think? Grass roots efforts have failed.

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.

Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

 

[eoMMan]

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[Scoresman]

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[Politician Spock]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

In that case maybe he is a genius....he has found the loophole to allow him to go into female bathrooms and locker rooms and look at their junk.

Much like left handed people live in a world designed for right handed people to function, LGBT people live in a world designed for only two kinds of people to function.

 

[Capella]

Everybody who is against this and thinks it's just a money stunt, please remember one thing:

Eminence is on your side.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

 

[eoMMan]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Things I have learned ...Caitlyn Bruce Jenner still has a schlong.....Being left handed and transgender are equal....and there is an epidemic of transgender suicides.

 

[Joe T]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Study estimating the US transgender population at 700,000

41% of transgenders attempt suicide

Obviously there's some difficulty around the margins with that data- those are merely attempts, not deaths, and it's possible that some of them weren't "genuine" attempts to end one's life. And then you'd have to adjust downward based on what you considered "kids" or "teens" or whatever, although saving adult lives is also pretty important. Still, it's hard to imagine that the number of suicides isn't in the thousands, considering that around 300,000 transgenders in the United States alone have attempted suicide is those studies are accurate.

 

[Scoresman]

You know what else is messed up about Caitlyn? She's a Republican!

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Has there been any confirmation he had his junk removed? The last thing I read was he didn't.

Most transgender individuals don't.

I know you don't have to be a woman to be a p****..but don't you have to have a p**** to be a woman?

 

[T J]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

Don't deflect (very Obama-esque). Answer the question you were asked.

It's not deflecting (which you have done numerous time in this thread). I'm honing in on the answer.

If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be masculine, how is that possible if their body as ovaries and boobs? If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be female, how is that possible to if their body has #### and a penis?

I try very hard to answer specifically what is asked of me. If you want to find a question you feel I dodged, please re-ask it. I don't mean that in a snarky way, but seriously, if I dodged one, it wasn't my intent and I'll answer it.

And the question was - "Is this real? I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?"

I want to hear your answer to that.

 

[eoMMan]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Study estimating the US transgender population at 700,000

41% of transgenders attempt suicide

Obviously there's some difficulty around the margins with that data- those are merely attempts, not deaths, and it's possible that some of them weren't "genuine" attempts to end one's life. And then you'd have to adjust downward based on what you considered "kids" or "teens" or whatever, although saving adult lives is also pretty important. Still, it's hard to imagine that the number of suicides isn't in the thousands, considering that around 300,000 transgenders in the United States alone have attempted suicide is those studies are accurate.

Yes, attempt and commit are two different things.

 

[Freelove]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Google -> percent transgender suicide

Google -> percent transgender population

Then have someone do the math for you.

 

[Politician Spock]

My wife watches the kardashian show, so to some extent I watch it too although I usually just pay attention to when they're in bikinis or underwear, but I digress. I always saw Bruce/Caitlyn as a guy who married into the attention whoring family. Sure, some of it rubbed off on him as it would anyone but he seems like a halfway decent dude/chick, who most of the time just wanted to be left alone to work on his model planes. This is in contrast to the women of the show who for the most part are all incredibly fake.

I don't watch but that's also the impression I got from my wife and her gossip magazines, and from the clips I saw on The Soup or whatever. That's why I'm curious what informed the opinion of Todem and others that she's an "attention whore who has made his life about reality TV" and that she is exploiting her transgender identity for personal gain.

Has anybody asked why now? He has had plenty of opportunity in his 60 plus years to make the change...He gets divorced from the Kardashian family and is about to fade away out of the limelight...Hmmmm.

That is what I am curious about too. Why did he do this now? He has 10 kids too. He must not have had that many struggles with his sexuality.

His body is male, and he is attracted to the female body. His mind however is wired as feminine. Some people's minds are wired to be left handed, which some would say is abnormal, but until there is a way to make them right handed, they have to function in a world designed for right handed people while being left handed. The only difference between that and being transgender is the world doesn't vilify left handed people like they do transgender people.

Is this real?

I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?

Are hermaphrodites' minds wired to be masculine or feminine?

Don't deflect (very Obama-esque). Answer the question you were asked.

It's not deflecting (which you have done numerous time in this thread). I'm honing in on the answer.

If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be masculine, how is that possible if their body as ovaries and boobs? If a hermaphrodite's mind is wired to be female, how is that possible to if their body has #### and a penis?

I try very hard to answer specifically what is asked of me. If you want to find a question you feel I dodged, please re-ask it. I don't mean that in a snarky way, but seriously, if I dodged one, it wasn't my intent and I'll answer it.

And the question was - "Is this real? I now have to believe that being transgendered or having gender identity issues is akin to someone being born left-handed?"

I want to hear your answer to that.

Yes.

 

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[TobiasFunke]

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Study estimating the US transgender population at 700,000

41% of transgenders attempt suicide

Obviously there's some difficulty around the margins with that data- those are merely attempts, not deaths, and it's possible that some of them weren't "genuine" attempts to end one's life. And then you'd have to adjust downward based on what you considered "kids" or "teens" or whatever, although saving adult lives is also pretty important. Still, it's hard to imagine that the number of suicides isn't in the thousands, considering that around 300,000 transgenders in the United States alone have attempted suicide is those studies are accurate.

Yes, attempt and commit are two different things.

If you prefer another tack, here's a post linking a study estimated the global transgender suicide rate at 800/100,000 (normal rate is13/100,000 here and 16/100,000 globally). Again, I can't give you an exact statistic because I don't know that it's been compiled accurately but some basic math will lead you to the inevitable conclusion that the number of transgender suicide deaths is in the four digits at least.

 

[eoMMan]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Google -> percent transgender suicideGoogle -> percent transgender population

Then have someone do the math for you.

So you couldn't find a link either?

And it looks like you also don't know the difference between commit and attempt.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

So, the Devon Still thing with his daughter...that was pretty touching, huh?

 

[Politician Spock]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

Thanks for fighting for my left handed son. The world is so cruel to him.

 

[timschochet]

Pol Spock, on this subject I absolutely agree with you and I commend you for speaking up about it.

 

[timschochet]

And Oogie Pringle, if your posts in this thread represent what the unpolluted FFA looks like, then I'm happy to go on polluting it.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Is this the thread where Jim Kelly should have recieved that award?

 

[Politician Spock]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

Thanks for fighting for my left handed son. The world is so cruel to him.

If the world was cruel to him for being left handed, I would fight for him. It's not his fault he's left handed. He was born that way.

And it's no one's "fault". There's nothing wrong with being born left handed than there is being born transgender. The world just has a bigotry towards one.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thousands? I don't think the transgender suicide number is quite that high.

If you are concerned with the kids....all kids....committing suicide, you should focus on bullying. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons (being gay, being smaller, not having Jordans, etc.). To simply focus on the transgender kids committing suicide is kinda trivial when so many others are offing themselves.

Wait... because kids commit suicide for other reasons, too, means we can't try to eliminate one of those reasons? Save them all or save none?

JFC.Is that really what you took from post...."save all or save none"?

His takeaway was about as reasonable as yours. You saw a post expressing concern about the large number of transgender kids who commit suicide (it is probably is thousands, btw- 41% of transgenders have attempted suicide) and decided that you should criticize him for not focusing on bullying instead of transgender issues, even though you (1) have no idea if he's also concerned with/working on bullying; and (2) ignored the obvious fact that we can likely reduce the transgender suicide attempts simply by being more tolerant and encouraging of transgenders and there's no corresponding "quick fix" to bullying.

Link to the thousands?

Google -> percent transgender suicideGoogle -> percent transgender population

Then have someone do the math for you.

So you couldn't find a link either?

And it looks like you also don't know the difference between commit and attempt.

This seems like a trivial and aloof argument to pursue, given the significant amount of data and expert opinions indicating that transgender suicide rates are very high and that this is a serious problem.

 

[eoMMan]

Thoughts on McHale's monologue?

I thought he was funny.

 

[Politician Spock]

Pol Spock, on this subject I absolutely agree with you and I commend you for speaking up about it.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So to recap... Bruce Jenner won the Espy Courage Award because he is a drag queen...and he beat out the young lady who died of cancer..And many in here agree with that decision...What a wonderful nation we live in.

 

[Limp Ditka]

So to recap... Bruce Jenner won the Espy Courage Award because he is a drag queen...and he beat out the young lady who died of cancer..And many in here agree with that decision...What a wonderful nation we live in.

This is exactly what's going on.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So, the Devon Still thing with his daughter...that was pretty touching, huh?

It was great. I remember the day he posted about her remission on twitter/instagram. Here's the instagram post. It was one of the cooler things I've ever come across online.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So to recap... Bruce Jenner won the Espy Courage Award because he is a drag queen

Wrong. The award is named after Arthur Ashe.

..and he beat out the young lady who died of cancer

Wrong. They weren't competing with each other. There is no objective criteria for the award.

And many in here agree with that decision...

The award was not intended to be a referendum of cancer v transgender. It was intended to draw eyeballs to a TV show that exists to make money off of advertising dollars. Giving the Ashe to Jenner raised interest in the show so much, Disney moved it from ESPN to ABC where it could reach and even broader live audience, and still rerun it in perpetuity on their ESPN channels. I agree that the ESPYs producers made an excellent business decision on this one.

What a wonderful nation we live in.

If we've got the resources and energy to argue about this, our lives must be relatively pretty damn wonderful compared to most folks worldwide.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

And Oogie Pringle, if your posts in this thread represent what the unpolluted FFA looks like, then I'm happy to go on polluting it.

Oh, we know you are quite happy here.

 

[JZilla]

I've never watched the ESPYs and never will, and I'm a pretty giant libtard all in all, but I really don't get all the Jenner fanfare either at this point. Certainly not the first dude to throw on a dress.

 

[SIDA!]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

didn't you make a 12 year old umpire cry at a little league game because you thought he made a bad call?

 

[SIDA!]

Pol Spock, on this subject I absolutely agree with you and I commend you for speaking up about it.

Capella to the white courtesy phone...

Everybody who is against this and thinks it's just a money stunt, please remember one thing:Eminence is on your side.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So to recap... Bruce Jenner won the Espy Courage Award because he is a drag queen

Wrong. The award is named after Arthur Ashe.

..and he beat out the young lady who died of cancer

Wrong. They weren't competing with each other. There is no objective criteria for the award.

And many in here agree with that decision...

The award was not intended to be a referendum of cancer v transgender. It was intended to draw eyeballs to a TV show that exists to make money off of advertising dollars. Giving the Ashe to Jenner raised interest in the show so much, Disney moved it from ESPN to ABC where it could reach and even broader live audience, and still rerun it in perpetuity on their ESPN channels. I agree that the ESPYs producers made an excellent business decision on this one.

What a wonderful nation we live in.

If we've got the resources and energy to argue about this, our lives must be relatively pretty damn wonderful compared to most folks worldwide.

Thank you John Skipper

 

[SIDA!]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

Thanks for fighting for my left handed son. The world is so cruel to him.

If the world was cruel to him for being left handed, I would fight for him. It's not his fault he's left handed. He was born that way.

And it's no one's "fault". There's nothing wrong with being born left handed than there is being born transgender. The world just has a bigotry towards one.

So as long as you are born a certain way, then society is just being bigoted if they don't accept it?

 

[Joe T]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

To be clear, you feel like you are in some way saving lives by attacking people in this thread and accusing people here in the FFA of causing the deaths of thousands of kids. Wow. That is an interesting reality you live in.

 

[Politician Spock]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

Thanks for fighting for my left handed son. The world is so cruel to him.

If the world was cruel to him for being left handed, I would fight for him. It's not his fault he's left handed. He was born that way.

And it's no one's "fault". There's nothing wrong with being born left handed than there is being born transgender. The world just has a bigotry towards one.

So as long as you are born a certain way, then society is just being bigoted if they don't accept it?

If you don't like the word "bigot", then what word would you prefer to describe a world that rejects them?

 

[hagmania]

Pol Spock, on this subject I absolutely agree with you and I commend you for speaking up about it.

Capella to the white courtesy phone...

Everybody who is against this and thinks it's just a money stunt, please remember one thing:Eminence is on your side.

tim > em and it's not close

 

[Politician Spock]

The context of my post is that kids are killing themselves. How you ignore that and see some other context is your burden to explain. You and millions of other people like you defining the world around them is why they kill themselves. Justify what you do however you wish. I know you have to sleep at night because you obviously have no intent to change.

One of the worst posts in the history of the internets.

Feel free to attack me. I can take it. I'm fighting for kids who shouldn't have to fight this, and as such willingly take your crap.

To be clear, you feel like you are in some way saving lives by attacking people in this thread and accusing people here in the FFA of causing the deaths of thousands of kids. Wow. That is an interesting reality you live in.

It's an ugly reality. A very ugly reality.