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Evans suspended, Green not. (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Green was tossed from that game so "time served"?
While I get the point AJ Green also fought with a guy he was engaged with while Evans blindsided a guy from behind.
As one who owns them both in one league, I'm ok with it.
While I get the point AJ Green also fought with a guy he was engaged with while Evans blindsided a guy from behind.
As one who owns them both in one league, I'm ok with it.
theplayer11
Footballguy
Green only missed half a game for throwing someone down by his neck from behind and then throwing multiple punches.
The NFL is insane..they just don't know how to hand out punishment..total ineptness
The NFL is insane..they just don't know how to hand out punishment..total ineptness
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
So is this encouraging throwing punches during the game???
If you hit a guy "unlawfully" (but not a punch), you are suspended at least 1 full game
If you throw a punch at a guy, you get thrown out for <1 full game, and serve no additional time.
Sounds to me like the NFL wants its players to throw down. This works out wonderfully especially if it's in the last quarter of the game, and it's a blow out. Why not just throw punches, get "time served" during a meaningless game, and you're back for the next week.
If you hit a guy "unlawfully" (but not a punch), you are suspended at least 1 full game
If you throw a punch at a guy, you get thrown out for <1 full game, and serve no additional time.
Sounds to me like the NFL wants its players to throw down. This works out wonderfully especially if it's in the last quarter of the game, and it's a blow out. Why not just throw punches, get "time served" during a meaningless game, and you're back for the next week.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Lol. If I didn’t play fantasy, I wouldn’t miss this sport one bit
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Punching a guy wearing a helmet with a facemask seems like punishment enough for the puncher.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
This. If it were "only" a few punches from Green, MAYBE I could understand (likely maybe not)... but as noted above, his grabbing a guy from behind by the neck and wrestling him down was the most dangerous part of that whole series of events, and is what completely escalated as well.
I happen to like Green and he seems to be a solid guy - never had any issues that I know of even close to this, on or off the court. Regardless, that take down and subsequent haymakers (stupid as they are when aimed at a helmet) definitely should have warranted a games' suspension.
theplayer11
Footballguy
What Green did was worse and he gets a half game less...and the next opponent gets a week to scheme knowing Evans is out. NFL is a total joke at this point...losing interest
Shutout
Footballguy
Wow. I thought Green's offense was much more malicious. I can see Evans being a "wtf" I just lost it thing but green looked like he had some business to settle. Multiple punches, the throw down, etc.
There will be monetary fines? Or the suspension IS the fine for Evans?
Green's looked much more like obj and Norman. Really thought he would sit a game after that. If nothing else, he looked more unstable and Evans just looked like a reacting mad dude. I'd think the NFL would want to say that isn't happening again. Instead they seemed to say " well, if it's late and you're pissed and want to catch a shower early, take a guy to the woodshed.
There will be monetary fines? Or the suspension IS the fine for Evans?
Green's looked much more like obj and Norman. Really thought he would sit a game after that. If nothing else, he looked more unstable and Evans just looked like a reacting mad dude. I'd think the NFL would want to say that isn't happening again. Instead they seemed to say " well, if it's late and you're pissed and want to catch a shower early, take a guy to the woodshed.
Shutout
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Seems like NFL thought there were "mitigating circumstances" like Jalen Ramsey baiting the heck outta AJ. Also I think it's AJ first real offense?
Mike Evans has been a hothead for awhile and this might've been a direct result of the OBJ/Josh Norman confrontation. Any blatant blindside hit, you're done.
Not excusing it but it seems the NFL bent over kinda backwards for AJ because he's a "fine upstanding citizen" and apologized after the game.
Mike Evans has been a hothead for awhile and this might've been a direct result of the OBJ/Josh Norman confrontation. Any blatant blindside hit, you're done.
Not excusing it but it seems the NFL bent over kinda backwards for AJ because he's a "fine upstanding citizen" and apologized after the game.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well at least the NFL is consistently inconsistent with their rulings. 
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Continued arbitrary rulings. A staple of the Goodell era.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
So AJ Green misses as much time as the guy he put in a chokehold, body slammed and punched twice? Sounds legit
This league.
This league.
JIMGET
Footballguy
I still think Evans saw Lattimore over by his QB getting into it and was trying to "protect him". Not making an excuse, but it someone is messing with your QB, you hit them. AJ Green was owned in that he lost his cool.
JIMGET
Footballguy
There are no mitigating circumstances when you grab someone from behind and sucker punch them....
The Frankman
Footballguy
Well, it's come out that Ramsey was baiting AJ and Ramsey was warned by the officials a few times. There is somewhat of a precedent for what Evans did. I'm not excusing the actions, just trying to see what the NFL's reasoning was.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
I may be in the minority here, but it just doesnt bother me that people want to throw punches at people wearing helmets. If they want to break their hands, thats on them. Also, I dont care what happens or who starts it, I want all players responding to anything towards a QB from an opponent.
Evans did the right thing, defend your QB and take out anyone who is trying to do so, I dont care what Winston did, any team mate will defend his QB. No player will say, "Hey Winston, you're wrong."
Evans did the right thing, defend your QB and take out anyone who is trying to do so, I dont care what Winston did, any team mate will defend his QB. No player will say, "Hey Winston, you're wrong."
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Chaka
Footballguy
I have heard this in multiple places but that sounds like horse#### logic from the NFL if it is, indeed true. Green lost his mind and tried to choke Ramsey out, twice plus he threw multiple punches. It was maybe the biggest loss of composure I may have ever seen from an NFL player. Frankly I think it was deserving of a multi-game suspension.
Evans definitely nailed Lattimore with a suspension worthy cheap shot, he should have been ejected, but it was a one and done. AJ went back for seconds and tried to get thirds.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Anyone think there's a chance Ramsey said something absolutely vile that a ref heard, and it's being taken into account? Only thing that makes sense
flapgreen
Footballguy
The NFL is becoming like most other big corporations now. Ran by idiots up top that end up destroying it.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Jalen was in Green's head (and jock) all game. He's a nasty little SOB. But there was no indication he was going to get flagged for any of the trash talking or the shove until Green absolutely lost his mind and threw him to the ground
flapgreen
Footballguy
theplayer11
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure I agree. AJ had Ramsey in close to a sleeper hold, which is bad enough, but then he tried to rip him off the ground and body slam him from that hold. Then he tried to do it again. No, that is every bit as dangerous, worse IMO.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
The recipient from a block in the back has shoulder pads and a helmet on.Because the recipients have helmets?
Which makes the NFL look worse from a PR standpoint: athletes throwing punches at each other and acting like a bunch of thugs or an intentional cheap shot?
IMO BOTH are thuggish behavior, especially from a PR standpoint. Maybe not from an athlete safety standpoint, but that's not where these suspensions come from; the NFL is worried about one thing and one thing only- their own pocket book. They suspend a player (Zeke) for 6 games on alleged behavior but someone who comes out throwing punches in an NFL game gets nothing? huh? It's because an athlete committing crimes (in this case allegedly) against women hurts their brand more than an athlete who might hit a guy wrong on the field.
I would argue players throwing punches hurts their brand equally (maybe even more) compared to a player hitting another with an intentional cheap shot meant to harm.
Here's a fun fact, Suh stompped on Aaron Rodgers, was ejected and suspended 1 game... But Green gets off here, why? Possibly because Aaron Rodgers is a franchise player, whereas hardly anyone has heard of Jalen Ramsey outside of JAX and maybe even that division... Is that fair? No. But that's the NFL's MO
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Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Cool.
Max Power
Footballguy
That is where the refs lost control. They let it get too heated and it boiled over. The result is the fans missing out on two great talents for an afternoon. Jalen should have been flagged for the shoved. Although I don't know if there was a ref looking in that direction.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...it is an embarrassment that Green is not suspended...not only did he initiate the fight he did it in a cowardly manner...as for Evans that really could have been ugly...that is a big dude with a head of steam nailing someone from behind...and spare me defending the QB nonsense...Winston left the bench and started it...between this and his incoherent pep talk I would be very concerned if I were Tampa...he is getting a little too old for this type of behavior...and he has a decent history of idiocy as well...
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
AJ Green got off on the Andre Johnson defense. If you're a known good guy and a ##### picks a fight with you and you kick his ever loving ### up one side of the field and down the other, it's all good.
pinequick
Footballguy
Let's be really clear here--AJ Green put Ramsey in a chokehold TWICE and flipped Ramsey over backwards while in that chokehold TWICE... IN ADDITION to punching him.
I don't own either of these guys, but this is total BS. I don't care WHAT you say to a guy in talking trash (for Ramsey's part), you CANNOT let Green play the following week and have any sense of credibility when it comes to discipline. Total, total BS. Green is a POS.
pinequick
Footballguy
It HAS GOT to be this, IMO. Honestly, I don't even know why Ramsey got ejected in the first place?
When you put a guy in a chokehold from behind and pull hard enough to pull him over backwards, you could crush his windpipe for chrissakes. All this stuff about Evans being more dangerous, I just don't see it (I think they both should be gone for Week 10, BTW).
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Even though only one 'like' counts, I just mashed the button for 7 minutes straight.
Shutout
Footballguy
Yeah, Punches to the head from a league that eats, sleeps, and promotes player safety (especially head and neck safety) did the right thing letting that slide.
That's not trying to be snarky to your post: just the first thing I think of when trying to reconcile the logic. I watched him hammer that guy in the head repeatedly after whipping him to the ground by his neck and I'm thinking "this guy has lost his mind".
As a way to judge the malicious intent with these two incidents, I think "if these were the only two guys in the stadium, what would have happened"? Well, it appears like Evans ould have stood there and yelled some profanities after that first burst and they would have yelled it out. Ramsey's body might still be there. That concerns me. The league just allowed a domestic violence attack on the field go completely unchecked. I thought they promoted against domestic violence. Hmm.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
I haven't seen the Evans play, but Ramsey baited AJ. They both got ejected.
Ramsey was the first one to get physical which is a key point. Add in neither was injured & the NFL called it a draw (as far as player punishment is concerned).
I can live with that.
Ramsey was the first one to get physical which is a key point. Add in neither was injured & the NFL called it a draw (as far as player punishment is concerned).
I can live with that.
Moonshine
Footballguy
Domestic violence attack, eh? I didn't realize Green and Ramsey shared that kind of relationship. Good for them.
Shutout
Footballguy
Huh? So if Ramsey would have baited Green and Green had broken his hand hitting Ramsey's helmet, the league should have suspended Ramsey? That's the kind of logic you're using here?
The results are no more or less than the intentions, here. The facts of what happened (an abusive, physical attack) is what should be judged.
