Explosions at Boston Marathon (1 Viewer)

[Smack Tripper]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction. They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out. However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning. But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

I think young, alienated men without overly bright futures and prospects store a lot of rage, and wherever that manifests, be it fantasy, fistfights at the corner bar or the realized fantasy of mass murder, it's something we always have and always will deal with. Two constants I see:1. Young men in exploring their power and place in the world, are testosteroned fueled to destroy. Building things takes time, dedication and persistence but destruction has almost the same impact as creation, but it happens in a relative instant. How to wire out that impulse, I have no idea2. Sucessful, contented people rarely if ever make this turn. I lump these fruits in with the Colorado shooter or that putz in Connecticut. Zilches who had nothing going on and instead of internalizing improvement, they lashed out at a world they thought had it in for them. Where opportunity dies, this stuff can grow

 

[Slapdash]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

Terrorism is caused by individuals. That's what makes it so hard to stop. One or two people can do untold damage. There are 300 million people living this country. How can we possibly watch everyone?

Our government is sure as hell trying.

 

[NCCommish]

they said the kid was captain of his high school wrestling team. seemed like he was pretty well adjusted.

uncle said his older brother was basically illiterate and made no attempt to assimilate, had no friends, etc.

Well that makes radicalizing him much easier.

This is the same uncle that hadn't spoke to them since 2009? From the pictures posted, the guy had a decent looking GF, was involved in a gym and was enrolled at a community college. I realize that's not Hah-vahd, but it also doesn't fit the loner type.

I've seen interviews from at least 3 different uncles today. I'm not sure which one made those comments.

I have now even seen an Aunt interviewed.

The aunt said they were innocent and there is no way they could be involved...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/19/pol-boston-marathon-bombings-aunt-toronto.html

Yeah she was still in denial.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Whole lotta lurkers here. Let's hear some new opinions. I see killface, I see loser, got nugs, Facebook. glock.

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Yes, what this thread needs is less news and more uninformed speculation and opinion.

 

[Two Deep]

I think we should continue the practice of letting young males from hostile muslim nations/countries come over here so we can provide them a higher education. Seems like a great idea

The younger one was a U.S. citizen

Before moving to the United States, he attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya.

 

[Kal El]

they said the kid was captain of his high school wrestling team. seemed like he was pretty well adjusted.

uncle said his older brother was basically illiterate and made no attempt to assimilate, had no friends, etc.

Well that makes radicalizing him much easier.

This is the same uncle that hadn't spoke to them since 2009? From the pictures posted, the guy had a decent looking GF, was involved in a gym and was enrolled at a community college. I realize that's not Hah-vahd, but it also doesn't fit the loner type.

I've seen interviews from at least 3 different uncles today. I'm not sure which one made those comments.

I have now even seen an Aunt interviewed.

The aunt said they were innocent and there is no way they could be involved...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/19/pol-boston-marathon-bombings-aunt-toronto.html

Yeah she was still in denial.

I'm sure everyone here has heard that old joke, "Denial is not a river in Africa."

Apparently it is a state, though.

 

[Apple Jack]

I think we should continue the practice of letting young males from hostile muslim nations/countries come over here so we can provide them a higher education. Seems like a great idea

The younger one was a U.S. citizen

Before moving to the United States, he attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya.

Hey, thanks man!

 

[lod01]

Whole lotta lurkers here. Let's hear some new opinions. I see killface, I see loser, got nugs, Facebook. glock.

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Yes, what this thread needs is less news and more uninformed speculation and opinion.

I'm hearing the chant from a distance......boring....boring.....boring.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Whole lotta lurkers here. Let's hear some new opinions. I see killface, I see loser, got nugs, Facebook. glock.

302 user(s) are reading this topic181 members, 91 guests, 29 anonymous users

I'm just lurking, interested moreso in the rapidly changing events. Hoping they catch this guy soon. I imagine there are a lot of other lurkers out there that don't care to get caught up in political debates and potential spinoff threads. It's a great thread to keep tabs on, but posting is kind of pointless. I'm not interested in trying to sway anyone to my POV. Just want the facts. I'll go back to lurking now.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

they said the kid was captain of his high school wrestling team. seemed like he was pretty well adjusted. uncle said his older brother was basically illiterate and made no attempt to assimilate, had no friends, etc.

Well that makes radicalizing him much easier.

This is the same uncle that hadn't spoke to them since 2009? From the pictures posted, the guy had a decent looking GF, was involved in a gym and was enrolled at a community college. I realize that's not Hah-vahd, but it also doesn't fit the loner type.

I've seen interviews from at least 3 different uncles today. I'm not sure which one made those comments.

I have now even seen an Aunt interviewed.

If she had balls, she'd have been their uncle.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The brothers have a sister living in NY.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

My first thought is that some of the attitudes that people have towards muslims and muslim americans in our country could cause someone to become radicalized. It could only take one incident for that resentment to start. Once it starts, there are no shortage of people in the muslim world who feel oppressed by America they can relate to and seek to avenge. Of course, that just entrenches the negative feelings as we see in this thread. Just my two cents...

I think that is very much part of it. I've been to a lot of Muslim countries, outside Saudi I've always been treated with great respect and enjoyed the people I met. There are some bad people who commit horrific acts in the name of religion, but that's really an incredibly small portion of the 1.6 Muslims on earth.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

Terrorism is caused by individuals. That's what makes it so hard to stop. One or two people can do untold damage. There are 300 million people living this country. How can we possibly watch everyone?

Based on what we know right now -- and we should still take this with a grain of salt since most people who engaged in speculation about this case from the beginning have come away looking foolish -- there's no way this bombing could have been prevented. I'd rather suffer through the occasional catastrophe than to turn every sporting event, every trip to the mall, every concert, etc. into a TSA-level event.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

By the way, seriously.... for a country name... Kyrgyzstan? Buy a vowel.

 

[Nipsey]

I lump these fruits in with the Colorado shooter or that putz in Connecticut. Zilches who had nothing going on and instead of internalizing improvement, they lashed out at a world they thought had it in for them. Where opportunity dies, this stuff can grow

Those other 2 guys had serious mental issues. These two Boston clowns are just idiots.

 

[pollardsvision]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

Terrorism is caused by individuals. That's what makes it so hard to stop. One or two people can do untold damage. There are 300 million people living this country. How can we possibly watch everyone?

Umm........if only there was some way to narrow it down.......

(Sorry, I had to)

 

[Rohn Jambo]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

 

[Michael Brown]

FYI not sure if brought up yet, but West New York (where the sister lives) is a town in New Jersey

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Am I a suspect?

I'll let you know if that happens.

 

[lod01]

I lump these fruits in with the Colorado shooter or that putz in Connecticut. Zilches who had nothing going on and instead of internalizing improvement, they lashed out at a world they thought had it in for them. Where opportunity dies, this stuff can grow

Those other 2 guys had serious mental issues. These two Boston clowns are just idiots.

I lump them all together as idiots who need to die.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Catching up from the overnight, what was the deal with the nude dude last night?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

link? his uncle said he came to the US in 2003.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

FYI not sure if brought up yet, but West New York is a town in New Jersey

Oh, that's right. Across the Hudson River.

 

[scottybo]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Catching up from the overnight, what was the deal with the nude dude last night?

guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Smack Tripper]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

link? his uncle said he came to the US in 2003.

CNN reported actually 9/11/12. That is quite a coinky dink

 

[Rohn Jambo]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

link? his uncle said he came to the US in 2003.

Stop fact checking me.

 

[B-Deep]

FYI not sure if brought up yet, but West New York (where the sister lives) is a town in New Jersey

well that's just plain dumb

 

[ATC1]

Catching up from the overnight, what was the deal with the nude dude last night?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=680849

Not a suspect. report saying he maybe the owner of the getaway car. They stripped him to make sure they did not plant anything on him.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

I didn't remember if it was 2011 or 2012, but CNBC reported this a couple of hours ago.

 

[GDogg]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

link? his uncle said he came to the US in 2003.

CNN's (yes, I know) reporting that he became a citizen on 9/11/2012 and they claim to have confirmed that he came to the US just prior to his 9th birthday.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

White Hat became a US citizen on 9/11/2011.

link? his uncle said he came to the US in 2003.

Stop fact checking me.

my bad. I read 2011 as 2001 at first by mistake.

 

[Doug B]

I think we should continue the practice of letting young males from hostile muslim nations/countries come over here so we can provide them a higher education. Seems like a great idea

The younger one was a U.S. citizen

Before moving to the United States, he attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya.

And he was a small child, too. Hardly an obvious terrorist candidate.

Now, if you're arguing it's possible that small children can be sent over here with an intention to use them as initially-unwitting "moles", you might have a better argument.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

WBAK reported that black hat played short-stop in the Brewers farm system.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

FYI not sure if brought up yet, but West New York (where the sister lives) is a town in New Jersey

well that's just plain dumb

Why? If New York can claim the Jets, Giants, and the Statue of Liberty, why can't NJ claim West New York?

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Fox News reporting looking for a Honda Civic in Conn.

 

[Doug B]

I'd rather suffer through the occasional catastrophe than to turn every sporting event, every trip to the mall, every concert, etc. into a TSA-level event.

Yep

 

[KCitons]

Still trying to figure out how the kid ended up in the US. And who raised him. CNN says he has been here since age 8, and that he became a US citizen last September. But, who raised this kid for the last 11 years? Who is paying for his college? Who is his emergency contact info?

 

[shader]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

 

[T Bell]

calling out SWAT to School & Boylston. They must think they have the guy cornered.

 

[flapgreen]

Am I a suspect?

I'll let you know if that happens.

Don't compromise your career gb. I'm going down fighting for this thing I apparently believe in.

 

[Kal El]

Fox News reporting looking for a Honda Civic in Conn.

Can they narrow it down any further? That's probably about 10,000 vehicles.

 

[Apple Jack]

Fox News reporting looking for a Honda Civic in Conn.

Are you sure they're not trying quote an FFA source and got into the wrong thread?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

WKRP reports that the older brother was a huge Kris Kross fan.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

WBAK reported that black hat played short-stop in the Brewers farm system.

CNN said while I was out getting a sandwich that he was a two-time Gold Gloves champion. And White Hat is in college on a wrestling scholarship. I think I'd take them over "tough guy from Southie" even without weapons or explosives.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

Terrorism is caused by individuals. That's what makes it so hard to stop. One or two people can do untold damage. There are 300 million people living this country. How can we possibly watch everyone?

Based on what we know right now -- and we should still take this with a grain of salt since most people who engaged in speculation about this case from the beginning have come away looking foolish -- there's no way this bombing could have been prevented.

I agree with this, what I suggested there was a cultural awareness shift big picture. The more we understand about this the greater chance there is to prevent future incidents, evolving and the like.

 

[Hawks64]

calling out SWAT to School & Boylston. They must think they have the guy cornered.

Haven't they rolled SWAT to multiple locations all day without having him at that location?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Still trying to figure out how the kid ended up in the US. And who raised him. CNN says he has been here since age 8, and that he became a US citizen last September. But, who raised this kid for the last 11 years? Who is paying for his college? Who is his emergency contact info?

I could swear the uncle said something about his brother (their dad) recently moving back to Russia.

 

[Kal El]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

Maybe he's really good at GTA.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Fox News reporting looking for a Honda Civic in Conn.

Can they narrow it down any further? That's probably about 10,000 vehicles.

They had a plate # up on screen. From MA.