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I agree. As I said earlier in the thread there are a lot more resources in the general population than the FBI. Release all photos to everyone and they'll nail the sucker. Will their be false accusation? Possibly. But as 4chan and reddit and other sites are showing, at least they can help the FBI with leads.

My wonder is if the FBI will take seriously information that is provided on the internet.
Yeah, there just might possibly be a false accusation.
I see us going down the "White Box Truck" path if we let the public play CSI.
I don’t understand the reference.
DC snipers. Everyone from Baltimore to North Carolina was constantly looking for white trucks. I think in that case the police actually told us to look out for them, though.
And of course they were actually driving a blue Chevy Caprice. (IIRC, the news media broke the white box truck before the police mentioned it) But it's a perfect example of the public getting tunnel vision. People so concerned about white box trucks, they failed to see that chevy caprice with a rifle sticking out the back.

 
I wonder how far back they are looking? I mean, could have the backpacks/bags been there for an hour or two? Probably not, right? Someone surely would have stumbled upon it if it was there for too long.

 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
whoa
One of the "suspects" in these pictures has gum and a bottle of OJ in the side pouch of his bag. That's pretty nonchalant for a bomber.

Seriously though it is amazing how people on 4chan are breaking this thing down. You'd expect the professionals to be way, way ahead of the public. With all the photos and videos out there plus other evidence collected I'd be shocked if they don't catch this son of a #####.
We don't know if the professionals are or are not way ahead of the public. The "professionals" don't run to a message board when they have a picture of someone with a backpack.
I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.

 
Hope so. Where did you find that link? That's the guy reddit pointed out last night.
Probably the only backpack like that ever made.
I would think that the odds that a black bag with that exact stripe pattern on the handle being in the same place is pretty low. Go to a gym and see all the bags people have. The odds that two people have the same bag is pretty low.

Plus it looks to me like he's supporting his right hand with his left.
See to me it doesn't look like he's straining at all holding up that backpack and I assume a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and nails would be very heavy. It takes alot of strength to bear weight with your arm at a 90 degree angle like that.
The military looking dudes seem like the primary suspects.
That made me think about how conspicuous a single person walking with two large backpacks would look. What would one person do with the second pack as he was dropping the first one off?
 
I agree. As I said earlier in the thread there are a lot more resources in the general population than the FBI. Release all photos to everyone and they'll nail the sucker. Will their be false accusation? Possibly. But as 4chan and reddit and other sites are showing, at least they can help the FBI with leads. My wonder is if the FBI will take seriously information that is provided on the internet.
Yeah, there just might possibly be a false accusation.
I see us going down the "White Box Truck" path if we let the public play CSI.
I dont understand the reference.
DC snipers. Everyone from Baltimore to North Carolina was constantly looking for white trucks. I think in that case the police actually told us to look out for them, though.
And of course they were actually driving a blue Chevy Caprice. (IIRC, the news media broke the white box truck before the police mentioned it) But it's a perfect example of the public getting tunnel vision. People so concerned about white box trucks, they failed to see that chevy caprice with a rifle sticking out the back.
There is forensic evidence suggesting the bomb was hidden in a black backpack. The public is pointing out people carrying black backpacks. The situation is completely different.
 
Hope so. Where did you find that link? That's the guy reddit pointed out last night.
Probably the only backpack like that ever made.
I would think that the odds that a black bag with that exact stripe pattern on the handle being in the same place is pretty low. Go to a gym and see all the bags people have. The odds that two people have the same bag is pretty low.

Plus it looks to me like he's supporting his right hand with his left.
See to me it doesn't look like he's straining at all holding up that backpack and I assume a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and nails would be very heavy. It takes alot of strength to bear weight with your arm at a 90 degree angle like that.
The military looking dudes seem like the primary suspects.
That made me think about how conspicuous a single person walking with two large backpacks would look. What would one person do with the second pack as he was dropping the first one off?
So now we know either two people planted two backpacks or one guy carried one backpack, put it down, and then went to his car and carried the second backpack.

 
I agree. As I said earlier in the thread there are a lot more resources in the general population than the FBI. Release all photos to everyone and they'll nail the sucker. Will their be false accusation? Possibly. But as 4chan and reddit and other sites are showing, at least they can help the FBI with leads. My wonder is if the FBI will take seriously information that is provided on the internet.
Yeah, there just might possibly be a false accusation.
I see us going down the "White Box Truck" path if we let the public play CSI.
I dont understand the reference.
DC snipers. Everyone from Baltimore to North Carolina was constantly looking for white trucks. I think in that case the police actually told us to look out for them, though.
And of course they were actually driving a blue Chevy Caprice. (IIRC, the news media broke the white box truck before the police mentioned it) But it's a perfect example of the public getting tunnel vision. People so concerned about white box trucks, they failed to see that chevy caprice with a rifle sticking out the back.
There is forensic evidence suggesting the bomb was hidden in a black backpack. The public is pointing out people carrying black backpacks. The situation is completely different.
I'm pretty sure they don't want people playing "Where's Waldo" and posting on the internet "LOOK AT THIS SUSPICIOUS PERSON!!!!1!!!!1"

 
I agree. As I said earlier in the thread there are a lot more resources in the general population than the FBI. Release all photos to everyone and they'll nail the sucker. Will their be false accusation? Possibly. But as 4chan and reddit and other sites are showing, at least they can help the FBI with leads. My wonder is if the FBI will take seriously information that is provided on the internet.
Yeah, there just might possibly be a false accusation.
I see us going down the "White Box Truck" path if we let the public play CSI.
I dont understand the reference.
DC snipers. Everyone from Baltimore to North Carolina was constantly looking for white trucks. I think in that case the police actually told us to look out for them, though.
And of course they were actually driving a blue Chevy Caprice. (IIRC, the news media broke the white box truck before the police mentioned it) But it's a perfect example of the public getting tunnel vision. People so concerned about white box trucks, they failed to see that chevy caprice with a rifle sticking out the back.
There is forensic evidence suggesting the bomb was hidden in a black backpack. The public is pointing out people carrying black backpacks. The situation is completely different.
I'm pretty sure they don't want people playing "Where's Waldo" and posting on the internet "LOOK AT THIS SUSPICIOUS PERSON!!!!1!!!!1"
Oh, will you relax?

 
I agree. As I said earlier in the thread there are a lot more resources in the general population than the FBI. Release all photos to everyone and they'll nail the sucker. Will their be false accusation? Possibly. But as 4chan and reddit and other sites are showing, at least they can help the FBI with leads. My wonder is if the FBI will take seriously information that is provided on the internet.
Yeah, there just might possibly be a false accusation.
I see us going down the "White Box Truck" path if we let the public play CSI.
I dont understand the reference.
DC snipers. Everyone from Baltimore to North Carolina was constantly looking for white trucks. I think in that case the police actually told us to look out for them, though.
And of course they were actually driving a blue Chevy Caprice. (IIRC, the news media broke the white box truck before the police mentioned it) But it's a perfect example of the public getting tunnel vision. People so concerned about white box trucks, they failed to see that chevy caprice with a rifle sticking out the back.
There is forensic evidence suggesting the bomb was hidden in a black backpack. The public is pointing out people carrying black backpacks. The situation is completely different.
I'm pretty sure they don't want people playing "Where's Waldo" and posting on the internet "LOOK AT THIS SUSPICIOUS PERSON!!!!1!!!!1"
:shrug: A Saudi kid got tackled and his apartment raided because he acted abnormally after a bomb blew up. I don't think any of the Internet suspects are that deep into it yet.
 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
The unibomber looking dude, the two in matching khakis, and the two guys (one with backpack and one with duffel) at first glance and based on the little they put together at least make me raise my eyebrows though.
I can take a still of any crowd at any event and we could pull out "suspicious" looking people by the dozen. I really think the guy who runs the fry machine at McD's when he isn't playing CSI on the web may not be fully qualified to make the proper distinctions here.

 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
The unibomber looking dude, the two in matching khakis, and the two guys (one with backpack and one with duffel) at first glance and based on the little they put together at least make me raise my eyebrows though.
I can take a still of any crowd at any event and we could pull out "suspicious" looking people by the dozen. I really think the guy who runs the fry machine at McD's when he isn't playing CSI on the web may not be fully qualified to make the proper distinctions here.
Well, he does probably have an equivalent college degree as the FBI investigators.

 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
The unibomber looking dude, the two in matching khakis, and the two guys (one with backpack and one with duffel) at first glance and based on the little they put together at least make me raise my eyebrows though.
I can take a still of any crowd at any event and we could pull out "suspicious" looking people by the dozen. I really think the guy who runs the fry machine at McD's when he isn't playing CSI on the web may not be fully qualified to make the proper distinctions here.
Probably not, but places like reddit have a lot more people than just the fry guy at McDonald's

 
Hope so. Where did you find that link? That's the guy reddit pointed out last night.
Probably the only backpack like that ever made.
I would think that the odds that a black bag with that exact stripe pattern on the handle being in the same place is pretty low. Go to a gym and see all the bags people have. The odds that two people have the same bag is pretty low.

Plus it looks to me like he's supporting his right hand with his left.
See to me it doesn't look like he's straining at all holding up that backpack and I assume a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and nails would be very heavy. It takes alot of strength to bear weight with your arm at a 90 degree angle like that.
The military looking dudes seem like the primary suspects.
That made me think about how conspicuous a single person walking with two large backpacks would look. What would one person do with the second pack as he was dropping the first one off?
So now we know either two people planted two backpacks or one guy carried one backpack, put it down, and then went to his car and carried the second backpack.
Do you see any cars in that picture? It does not seem logical that a backpack could sit for a long time unattended without being noticed. I imagine parking was not permitted that close to the race. Let me know if you have any other insight Grissom.
 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.

 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs

 
I wonder how far back they are looking? I mean, could have the backpacks/bags been there for an hour or two? Probably not, right? Someone surely would have stumbled upon it if it was there for too long.
I wonder how far back they are looking? I mean, could have the backpacks/bags been there for an hour or two? Probably not, right? Someone surely would have stumbled upon it if it was there for too long.
Looks pretty crowded - not more than a few people in the same group - what would you do if you saw a bag at your feet? I don't know that it would have stood out to many people - with the crowd, people coming and going, and focused on the race or conversing with others (i.e. not really paying attention to the ground).

Having said that, I am guessing the goal here was not to have the bombs discovered - so the less time the better/worse>

Was there ever any follow up to the story that the Boston PD was conducting some sort of bomb-squad training on Monday? I sure hope a bomb threat was not called in and they did not take the right precautions.

 
I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.
No chance
Still amazes me how much credit people give to reddit or 4 chan. The FBI has apparently 6 TB of photos and videos. They also have people being paid to analyze this. I'm sure they are a step ahead of these guys online.
They're much better at knowing a good lead from a bad one, no doubt. But it's hard to compete with the sheer manpower of the internet. This isn't 1997. Not everyone on the internet is sitting in their mom's basement eating peanut butter out of a jar and criticizing some runway model's elbows.

 
I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.
No chance
Still amazes me how much credit people give to reddit or 4 chan. The FBI has apparently 6 TB of photos and videos. They also have people being paid to analyze this. I'm sure they are a step ahead of these guys online.
:shrug:

At this point it is probably as much about resources as anything - unless the FBI is using some automated process (which they may have), it still takes eyeballs on photos - and 1000's of i-sleuths have more eyeballs than a handful of FBI techs.

 
I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.
No chance
Still amazes me how much credit people give to reddit or 4 chan. The FBI has apparently 6 TB of photos and videos. They also have people being paid to analyze this. I'm sure they are a step ahead of these guys online.
Well, he did say if th epublic had the same info (6 TB of photos and videos). I would still be skeptical. Sure, having more eyes on the stuff the better, but I gotta think the FBI has some pretty damn sharp people, and some really ####### kickass equipment. Plus, they are actually trained in this sort of stuff so they know what to look for.

 
The public would have the advantage of trial and error. They don't to worry about falsely accusing anyone and following certain laws. The public can be wrong 1 million times before being right and not have to worry about it.

 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs
By my rough calculations, a six quart pressure cooker filled with steel objects would weigh about 40 pounds. HTH

 
I would think the public is better at spotting "something"

The FBI would be better able to track and identify that "something".

So the FBI can take a "suspect" and scour the 6Tbs of photos and locate people who may show up in different places and be able to "follow" their tracks to see if they make sense as a suspect.

 
Hope so. Where did you find that link? That's the guy reddit pointed out last night.
Probably the only backpack like that ever made.
I would think that the odds that a black bag with that exact stripe pattern on the handle being in the same place is pretty low. Go to a gym and see all the bags people have. The odds that two people have the same bag is pretty low.

Plus it looks to me like he's supporting his right hand with his left.
See to me it doesn't look like he's straining at all holding up that backpack and I assume a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and nails would be very heavy. It takes alot of strength to bear weight with your arm at a 90 degree angle like that.
The military looking dudes seem like the primary suspects.
That made me think about how conspicuous a single person walking with two large backpacks would look. What would one person do with the second pack as he was dropping the first one off?
So now we know either two people planted two backpacks or one guy carried one backpack, put it down, and then went to his car and carried the second backpack.
Do you see any cars in that picture? It does not seem logical that a backpack could sit for a long time unattended without being noticed. I imagine parking was not permitted that close to the race. Let me know if you have any other insight Grissom.
Listen Encyclopedia Brown, no one was carrying two backpacks. Its not that difficult. Maybe you shouldn't go about trying to solve the case of the Explosion at the Marathon.

 
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I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.
No chance
Still amazes me how much credit people give to reddit or 4 chan. The FBI has apparently 6 TB of photos and videos. They also have people being paid to analyze this. I'm sure they are a step ahead of these guys online.
They're much better at knowing a good lead from a bad one, no doubt. But it's hard to compete with the sheer manpower of the internet. This isn't 1997. Not everyone on the internet is sitting in their mom's basement eating peanut butter out of a jar and criticizing some runway model's elbows.
:bs:

 
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I would expect the public to be ahead of the professionals if they all had the same information at the beginning.
No chance
Still amazes me how much credit people give to reddit or 4 chan. The FBI has apparently 6 TB of photos and videos. They also have people being paid to analyze this. I'm sure they are a step ahead of these guys online.
They also have the remnants of the backpacks/duffel bags to more closely compare to photos.
 
I wasn't having any luck finding a photo of the circuit board photos released by the Boston Joint Terrorism Task Force. Finally found a video from Reuters that includes a photo of the circuit board.

http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSBRE93F06T20130417?videoId=242289316
Is this a bad time to be ordering supplies to make my own circuit boards? I am probably on a watch-list now. :unsure:
Uh oh. Just ordered and replaced a power board for my dead plasma. I'm a white guy too. Raid imminent?
 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs
By my rough calculations, a six quart pressure cooker filled with steel objects would weigh about 40 pounds. HTH
Uh, how did you calculate that, or is this shtick?
 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
I agree with it being kind of silly, but if you're referring to the guy in the white hat, he's wearing the sunglasses in the first picture.

 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs
By my rough calculations, a six quart pressure cooker filled with steel objects would weigh about 40 pounds. HTH
Uh, how did you calculate that, or is this shtick?
Eephus is mad smart. Back off dude
 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs
By my rough calculations, a six quart pressure cooker filled with steel objects would weigh about 40 pounds. HTH
Uh, how did you calculate that, or is this shtick?
6 quart pressure cooker on Amazon has a shipping weight of 6.6 pounds.

6 quarts is the internal volume of the pot. Found the specific gravity of steel and did some calculations (which could be entirely). I don't know how much volume the charge and timing mechanism would take up.

Carrying two 40 pound backpacks isn't impossible but doing it inconspicuously is harder than two typical backpacks.

 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
The unibomber looking dude, the two in matching khakis, and the two guys (one with backpack and one with duffel) at first glance and based on the little they put together at least make me raise my eyebrows though.
I can take a still of any crowd at any event and we could pull out "suspicious" looking people by the dozen. I really think the guy who runs the fry machine at McD's when he isn't playing CSI on the web may not be fully qualified to make the proper distinctions here.
Probably not, but places like reddit have a lot more people than just the fry guy at McDonald's
And we have no clue who they are or what they are really qualified to do.

 
There could be public lockers nearby - in a bus or train station? Someone putting a backpack in a public locker would not normally draw suspicion.
Seems like a stretch. Too complicated to drop a pack, run to some public lockers (not sure there are any in any T station anyway), then grab that pack and drop it. Gotta be two people or one dude with two packs
By my rough calculations, a six quart pressure cooker filled with steel objects would weigh about 40 pounds. HTH
Uh, how did you calculate that, or is this shtick?
6 quart pressure cooker on Amazon has a shipping weight of 6.6 pounds.

6 quarts is the internal volume of the pot. Found the specific gravity of steel and did some calculations (which could be entirely). I don't know how much volume the charge and timing mechanism would take up.

Carrying two 40 pound backpacks isn't impossible but doing it inconspicuously is harder than two typical backpacks.
The powder is going to change that significantly. The gravity of black powder is about .9-ish. 6 liters is about .2 cubic feet. If it were filled with just black powder, it would be about 18 pounds, including the cooker weight you quoted. And pressure cookers vary in weight.

Anywhere from 15-40 pounds per device, most likely.

 
Yeah...the not looking more "up the street" at the race seems odd.

One of them looked like the guy was looking more straight ahead to the street as if the person he could have been there to see was crossing in front of them...rather than waiting for them to come up the street (or a hot chick in tight pants caused him to turn...but then, more than one dude would be looking straight to the road too).

 
That photo is in this group of photos which also have 3 or 4 other potential guys. So about 4-5 potential suspects in total

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Scary because 4 of those look pretty suspicious. Hopefully we don't go down a false road like ATL first.
I was thinking pretty silly. For instance one guy they say goes from having a bag to no bag also goes from having no sunglasses at all to clearly having sunglasses resting on his hat. I'd say some people have too much time and not enough attention to detail.
The unibomber looking dude, the two in matching khakis, and the two guys (one with backpack and one with duffel) at first glance and based on the little they put together at least make me raise my eyebrows though.
I can take a still of any crowd at any event and we could pull out "suspicious" looking people by the dozen. I really think the guy who runs the fry machine at McD's when he isn't playing CSI on the web may not be fully qualified to make the proper distinctions here.
Probably not, but places like reddit have a lot more people than just the fry guy at McDonald's
And we have no clue who they are or what they are really qualified to do.
Which is why we're not relying on them to run the show. However, them taking millions of photos and finding clues to forward to the FBI may be quite helpful.

 

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