Explosions at Boston Marathon (3 Viewers)

[Doug B]

Catching up from the overnight, what was the deal with the nude dude last night?

Red herring. They thought he was a perp, but he wasn't. Forced to strip to confirm no under-clothes explosives.

 

[Apple Jack]

I'd rather suffer through the occasional catastrophe than to turn every sporting event, every trip to the mall, every concert, etc. into a TSA-level event.

Yep

I think I can live with a three second scanning on the way into a place ripe for an attack.

 

[sho nuff]

Listening to this aunt...wants evidence...but does not trust any agency.

Sounds familiar.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Still trying to figure out how the kid ended up in the US. And who raised him. CNN says he has been here since age 8, and that he became a US citizen last September. But, who raised this kid for the last 11 years? Who is paying for his college? Who is his emergency contact info?

I could swear the uncle said something about his brother (their dad) recently moving back to Russia.

he did

 

[Jaysus]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

I am wondering if he bled out while holed up somewhere?

 

[pollardsvision]

This will end very soon.

 

[dgreen]

calling out SWAT to School & Boylston. They must think they have the guy cornered.

I've heard them send teams to multiple locations today. I think some were SWAT, but maybe not. There was "an open door" on a house to investigate. There was also a ladder and pallet noticed at a house that wasn't there earlier in the day. They are just following everything that might indicate something could possibly maybe be going on.

 

[scottybo]

Aunt says Dzhokhar came to the states with parents in 2002.

 

[T Bell]

To me this is a worst case scenario, something we have talked about throughout the years as it pertains to the UK's domestic situation. These two guys came over to the U.S. as children (in 2002), one was 15 and the other just 8. Regardless of their reasoning this is a domestic terrorist attack, we aren't talking about people coming into the United States with the sole intent of disruption and destruction.

They had the younger guy's teacher on the radio today and he said he knows the kid very well, and said he just can't imagine him being responsible for this (said that he knows people say it all the time and understands the irony, but said he was shocked). Kid was by all accounts very normal. An athlete, outgoing, positive attitude, etc. So was he unduly influenced by his brother? By overseas sources? By something else? I'm sure we'll find out.

However, these were essentially two of ours and the younger one had spent 11 of his 19 years here. He came for a better life, sent by his family to find success in America. It is the story told hundreds of thousands of times over in this country, immigrants come to America for a better way of living. So then what happened? How can we avoid this again? There was no chatter because they were ours, they were one of us. Went to school, jobs, had girlfriends, lived in a big metro, etc. Their family is torn up, uncle beside himself and Dad back in Russia in denial that his boys could have perpetrated such a monstrosity. But it happened, and it doesn't seem like anyone saw it coming. Not even the slightest of warning.

But by definition this isn't international terrorism, this is very much domestic with possible foreign motivation. Seems as though the older boy may have turned and brought his brother in with him (selfishly for certain). This makes me want the younger boy to surrender, at least to hear what his motivations were since we may never really get to the bottom of it without speaking to him. What he says may help us address a growing problem (the Somalis in Minn, Times Square bomber, Marathon bombers) we seem to have these days, and prevent these things from happening in the future. I think a lot can be learned from this event and from what is going on in Europe, we all face trying times with very dangerous ideology being spread into our back yards. To me, this is ten times worse than having terrorists come to the U.S. just to harm us. Thoughts?

And the miserable truth here is that, unless we remove a startling number of additional freedoms from our way of life, this isn't the sort of scenario we can really prevent.

 

[Two Deep]

I think we should continue the practice of letting young males from hostile muslim nations/countries come over here so we can provide them a higher education. Seems like a great idea

The younger one was a U.S. citizen

Before moving to the United States, he attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya.

And he was a small child, too. Hardly an obvious terrorist candidate.

Now, if you're arguing it's possible that small children can be sent over here with an intention to use them as initially-unwitting "moles", you might have a better argument.

Well somebody moved him over here, isn't it possible those people were and are an influence in his life?

 

[Doug B]

Still trying to figure out how the kid ended up in the US. And who raised him. CNN says he has been here since age 8, and that he became a US citizen last September. But, who raised this kid for the last 11 years? Who is paying for his college? Who is his emergency contact info?

The brothers' parents were living here with them, but moved back to Chechnya in recent years (presumably after Dzhorkar graduated high school). Then Dzhorkar went to live with his 20-something year old brother Tamerlan. The younger one also lived at UMass-Dartmouth at some point.

 

[HellToupee]

if the city is on "lockdown", how did HellToupee make it into work in Watertown today?

PMd you the answer

 

[Warrior]

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[Aaron Rudnicki]

This will end very soon.

said everybody for the past 13 hours or so.

 

[flapgreen]

WKRP reports that the older brother was a huge Kris Kross fan.

No wonder...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Whole lotta lurkers here. Let's hear some new opinions. I see killface, I see loser, got nugs, Facebook. glock.

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Yes, what this thread needs is less news and more uninformed speculation and opinion.

I'm hearing the chant from a distance......boring....boring.....boring.

Here you go.

 

[T Bell]

calling out SWAT to School & Boylston. They must think they have the guy cornered.

I've heard them send teams to multiple locations today. I think some were SWAT, but maybe not. There was "an open door" on a house to investigate. There was also a ladder and pallet noticed at a house that wasn't there earlier in the day. They are just following everything that might indicate something could possibly maybe be going on.

They called for "all remaining" available Boston SWAT, and maybe the New Hampshire team as well. That got my attention. We'll see.

 

[Apple Jack]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

They don't know where he is?

 

[KCitons]

Still trying to figure out how the kid ended up in the US. And who raised him. CNN says he has been here since age 8, and that he became a US citizen last September. But, who raised this kid for the last 11 years? Who is paying for his college? Who is his emergency contact info?

I could swear the uncle said something about his brother (their dad) recently moving back to Russia.

he did

OK. I remember hearing that as well, I would be curious to see who the male influences in this kids life was

 

[lod01]

WKRP reports that the older brother was a huge Kris Kross fan.

That will make your brain shrivel up to the size oof a pea but it's no excuse.

 

[Doug B]

I think I can live with a three second scanning on the way into a place ripe for an attack.

If they can get scans to be that quick and automatic, maybe.

But consider: EVERYWHERE is ripe for attack. Harden Target A, move on to Target B. Rinse & repeat.

And then: who pays to harden everything?

 

[tdoss]

I keep imagining Uncle Ruslan as an SNL character...maybe a skit with Drunk Uncle or a Weekend Update segment.

 

[Apple Jack]

"Who here's from New Hampshire? Okay, you guys go in first."

 

[lod01]

This will end very soon.

I've heard that. Still sticking to my 48 hour prediction from yesterday.

 

[T Bell]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

Yeah, he's evading police... apparently within blocks of where they thought he was for the last 12 hours. Sounds like Jason Bourne.

 

[flapgreen]

"Who here's from New Hampshire? Okay, you guys go in first."

lol

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

3rd cousin (once removed) said Dothraki took a day trip to Battleboro sometime in the last 4 years.

 

[Nipsey]

I lump these fruits in with the Colorado shooter or that putz in Connecticut. Zilches who had nothing going on and instead of internalizing improvement, they lashed out at a world they thought had it in for them. Where opportunity dies, this stuff can grow

Those other 2 guys had serious mental issues. These two Boston clowns are just idiots.

I lump them all together as idiots who need to die.

I'd bet the Boston guys are a version of these two clowns.

http://youtu.be/5PdBeKZ0QVY?t=1m43s

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

reporters ask a lot of dumb questions

 

[KCitons]

@Jahar picked up 10k followers in the past hour. Do people really think he is going to start tweeting again?

 

[Wooderson]

I like this Aunt. Calling out the media for not listening.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think I can live with a three second scanning on the way into a place ripe for an attack.

If they can get scans to be that quick and automatic, maybe.

But consider: EVERYWHERE is ripe for attack. Harden Target A, move on to Target B. Rinse & repeat.

And then: who pays to harden everything?

And moreover, how do you "harden" the Boston Marathon? It's 26.2 miles of public roads.

 

[Limp Ditka]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

They don't know where he is?

They do. Now they're just going door to door through the neighborhood to apologize for the inconvenience.

 

[Zegras11]

What did I miss in the last 25 pages when I finally went to sleep at 8am?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Anderson Cooper on the scene now.

 

[KCitons]

What did I miss in the last 25 pages when I finally went to sleep at 8am?

CNN made a bunch of errors. Police chase a bunch of leads. Very little else.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This kid is evading police like he's a highly trained professional. I have no idea how he has done it this long.

They don't know where he is?

They do. Now they're just going door to door through the neighborhood to apologize for the inconvenience.

 

[Doug B]

Well somebody moved him over here, isn't it possible those people were and are an influence in his life?

Of course.

But this kind of stuff really can't be overtly stopped. Fingers in the dyke. Lock down immigration (or heck, even travel) from a list of countries, they'll start coming in from Canada or India or New Zealand or other friendly nations. Lock down Muslim names, and they'll fake paperwork to come in as "Graham Wellington".

You can't lock it all down. Can't even really lock all that much down, really. Throwing $20 billion at the problem doesn't buy you much more result than throwing $20,000 at it, IMHO.

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Dr. Detroit -- am I off base with the bolded?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

3rd cousin (once removed) said Dothraki took a day trip to Battleboro sometime in the last 4 years.

 

[pollardsvision]

@Jahar picked up 10k followers in the past hour. Do people really think he is going to start tweeting again?

I assume they are reading is older tweets to post on message boards.

 

[Wooderson]

Both the Aunt and the Uncle make great TV. Such passion.

Oh no now the Aunt says the photos were staged. She may be nuts.

 

[dgreen]

Green 1999 Honda Civic possibly being used by the suspect.

 

[T Bell]

Anderson Cooper on the scene now.

Oh thank God! We needed an injection of hipster coolness on site!

 

[scottybo]

Fox News reporting looking for a Honda Civic in Conn.

99 Honda Civic - Green

ETA: Civic is actually at the scene...

 

[jon_mx]

Chechen President blames AMERICA for Boston bomb suspects' acts of evil because of 'immoral upbringing'

Chechnya's Russian-backed president has hit out at America for killing one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers and blamed the US for moulding them into terrorists.

Chechen-born Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died from gunshot wounds and possible blast injuries after a fierce gun battle rocked the Watertown area of Boston hours after a police officer was shot dead at the nearby MIT campus.

His 19-year-old brother, Dzhokha, fled the shoot out and is on the run, reportedly having strapped explosives to his body.

But President Ramzan Kadyrov, a former Chechen rebel himself, told US authorities that 'any attempt to draw a connection' between Chechnya and the brothers was 'futile'.

In a Russian-language statement on Instagram, he added: 'They were raised in the United States, and their attitudes and beliefs were formed there.

'It is necessary to seek the roots of this evil in America.

'The whole world must struggle against terrorism — that we know better than anyone else. We hope for the recovery of all the victims, and we mourn with the Americans.'

Muslim militants from Chechnya have a long history of unleashing devastating terror attacks on Russia – but the allegations of involvement in the Boston Marathon blasts would mark the first time they have targeted the West.

However, the United States may have become a target for Chechen terrorists in the wake of the harrowing Beslan school hostage crisis nearly ten years ago, an expert claimed today.

 

[KCitons]

This aunt is crazy

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

This will end very soon.

Define soon.

The guy's lasted 8+ hours of daylight search. Hopefully they capture before sundown.

 

[Fennis]

The Russian guy I work with said based on their first and last names they are from Kyrgyzstan. I said they are from Chechnya. He said there family probably moved 40 or 50 years ago. He said all this like it was important.

Fennis, if convenient:

Would you mind asking the Russian fellow if he meant that the brothers are Kyrgyzstani because they've adopted the Russian ending "-ev" to the original Chechen name "Tsarni" (Uncle Ruslan's last name). From what I can gather, the Kyrgyz have mostly adopted Russian endings for their surnames.

TIA

So I got a 30 minute history explanation. Ill see if I can summarize:

The -ev was added during the early days of the Soviet Union it was to make it more Russian. He said the Uncles name is very Muslim. He said if someone (during Soviet days) was named Tsarni and in Moscow without his passport he would be arrested, because they would be illegal. But if they were named Tsarnaev they would be "more Russian". They probably would speak Russian and be Russian educated.

He also said they are from Kyrgyzstan or maybe ("where the funny guy is from") Kurdistan. His only real explanation was that's where those names like Dzhok- and Tsarn come from. I think its kind of like in the US if someone is named Sally Mae we all assume she is from the south. Or maybe a better example is we know Jose is a Mexican name.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Good work, boys

 

[Da Guru]

Muslim connection has been established. The aunt who brought the boys to the USA in 2003 is being interviewed and said the older terrorist quit college and converted to Islam two years ago and was a practicing muslim.