Explosions at Boston Marathon (3 Viewers)

[ffjunk]

Too bad they couldn't have taken #1 alive. Doesn't sound like he detonated a suicide vest as was reported(speculated). How is the officer that got shot in the groin?

Reported as stable and he opened his eyes this morning.

 

[Apple Jack]

I'll bet communication with the kid would go faster if you gave him a laptop. Unless they're still at the one-word answers phase.

 

[Worm]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report?

If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911. The house was just outside the perimeter where they thought he might be.

How is that incompetence?

This is the information I was missing.

 

[ffjunk]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

Listening to the Police Chief, I think he got a little further than they expected that night and they don't think he moved once he reached that spot.

 

[Apple Jack]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

Considering how close he was to the edge, I'm thinking he got there before they did.

 

[B-Deep]

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks of the idea of not reading miranda to the suspect and the chatter of treating him like an enemy combatant...

seems to me when it was a hypothetical US citizen that hypothetically could be targeted by a drone he was all concerned

now we have a real citizen with real rights, granted the guy is a scumball. I wonder where Rand stands.

Rand Paul will have no opinion.

he will express no opinion

standing up for this guy's rights would be wildly unpopular

but he is an American citizen, it would seem Rand SHOULD have an opinion

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Wonder what Rand Paul thinks of the idea of not reading miranda to the suspect and the chatter of treating him like an enemy combatant...

seems to me when it was a hypothetical US citizen that hypothetically could be targeted by a drone he was all concerned

now we have a real citizen with real rights, granted the guy is a scumball. I wonder where Rand stands.

Rand Paul will have no opinion.

he will express no opinion

standing up for this guy's rights would be wildly unpopular

but he is an American citizen, it would seem Rand SHOULD have an opinion

Helping out.

 

[dgreen]

After looking at a map and listening to replays of the scanner from the first big shootout, I don't get how Franklin Street was outside the perimeter.

 

[HellToupee]

After looking at a map and listening to replays of the scanner from the first big shootout, I don't get how Franklin Street was outside the perimeter.

really is a different area. I was surprised he made it that far

 

[dgreen]

After looking at a map and listening to replays of the scanner from the first big shootout, I don't get how Franklin Street was outside the perimeter.

really is a different area. I was surprised he made it that far

But the part I was listening to on the scanner talked about something happening on Spruce Street and I thought I heard them talking about setting up a perimeter using Mt Auburn, Arsenal, and Arlington.

And I remember hearing a lot of the streets to the east of Spruce (Dexter, Hazel, Howe) during their door-to-door sweep.

Where exactly was the shootout?

 

[southeastjerome]

My wife said she heard on one of the national news stations that the police had given the 'all clear' on the boat property earlier in the day, and that at some point the owner noticed the cover dislodged, saw white hat in the boat, and called the police back. They then ran the thermal and confirmed. True or just another false report? If true, wow... that's some incompetence.

Incompetence sounds like the complete opposite of the job done by the police in this case

This house was outside of the perimeter that they had tactical teams going door to door. Heard an interview from the Watertown police detective this morning and he gave a pretty detailed description. He said they set up a 20 block perimeter around where the shootout took place, going door to door within that perimeter. The house with the boat was only 1 block outside of that perimeter. The owner went outside for a cigarette right after they said Watertown residents could leave their houses. He noticed blood on the boat cover and one of the straps ripped. He peeked under and saw an "object" and a pool of blood and immediately called 911.

 

[the moops]

I cant believe the dude actually looked under the boat cover. A really dumb thing to do.

 

[southeastjerome]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

 

[southeastjerome]

After looking at a map and listening to replays of the scanner from the first big shootout, I don't get how Franklin Street was outside the perimeter.

really is a different area. I was surprised he made it that far

But the part I was listening to on the scanner talked about something happening on Spruce Street and I thought I heard them talking about setting up a perimeter using Mt Auburn, Arsenal, and Arlington.

And I remember hearing a lot of the streets to the east of Spruce (Dexter, Hazel, Howe) during their door-to-door sweep.

Where exactly was the shootout?

On Laurel St. near Dexter Ave

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

 

[Nipsey]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

"...they had these two rooftops that were about 20-22' apart. I remember clear as day standing one of the roofs and thinking: "I can jump that...no problem!" Dumb kids stuff, right?! I then remember closing my eyes, and from a standing start, jumping and landing on my shins on the other roof."

 

[pantherclub]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

over 200 rounds fired and all they did was hit him once in the leg?

 

[the moops]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

They can only set up a perimeter so wide. Looks like they just about nailed it too - missed by a block. Yes, he could have gotten away, but I am really struggling to see where these complaints of how they handled this are coming from.

 

[Nipsey]

we still don't know what they were doing on the MIT campus, right? that whole part of the story still seems strange, unless the cop identified them somehow.

My theory is their names hadn't been released yet and they thought they could throw off the scent by killing the MIT cop. a) Cops would respond to that scene in force making it easier for them to get out of Boston and b) fbi would entertain the thought that the bombers could be MIT students buying them more time. Or they thought the cop had them and they did what they thought they had to do to get away but I read the cop was shot in his car. Have toxicology reports been released? Maybe they took amphetamines like the LA bank robbers and they were just all kinds of amped up.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

over 200 rounds fired and all they did was hit him once in the leg?

well, they were getting bombs thrown at them from what sounds like pretty close range.

I was surprised there wasn't more hits in that fight too though.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

He was probably already there before they had the perimeter all set up. This happened quickly, but there large police presence did not get onto the scene unit a few moments after the shootout. He drove probably a 1/4 mile and likely ran through back yards and found the boat. Ultimately, where they found him was about 1/2 mile from where the shootout happened.

but they know where he ditched the car, and he was apparently shot in the leg so seems like he shouldn't have been able to get that far.

just strange to set up the perimeter and lock down the whole city when he wasn't even within that area. seems like he could have got away.

They can only set up a perimeter so wide. Looks like they just about nailed it too - missed by a block. Yes, he could have gotten away, but I am really struggling to see where these complaints of how they handled this are coming from.

I'm not complaining. Just felt like they would have set up the perimeter large enough to make sure he was inside. Seems they got a bit lucky that he was too injured to flee.

 

[MAC_32]

we still don't know what they were doing on the MIT campus, right? that whole part of the story still seems strange, unless the cop identified them somehow.

From the accounts I read it sounded like an execution, cop never saw it coming. Won't pretend to know their motive as these guys just seem like dumb criminals. I'm sure they had something bigger planned but execution is not a strong suit for them. Can't imagine the intent of the bombiong was to dismember people, it was to kill. If they knew how to build a bomb they could have killed dozens at the marathon but because they don't they only killed 3 but mutilated dozens. That's what happens when you explode legs and not the chest and head.

 

[KCitons]

we still don't know what they were doing on the MIT campus, right? that whole part of the story still seems strange, unless the cop identified them somehow.

At first, I was thinking maybe they were trying to move Law Enforcement to one location, in order to give them time to set off another bomb at a different location. Since they had all the explosives with them at the time of the police chase. But, then I started thinking. The MIT shooting occurred around 11:30pm. Where would the suspects go at that time of night to detonate another bomb? Most people were already in bed or were avoiding public places.

Ultimately, I think they just realized they were going to get caught sooner, rather than later and decide to cause as much mayhem as possible until that time came.

 

[jon_mx]

It would have been tough to get away with the city on lockdown. Even if he was healthy, would have been an incredible feat considering everyone in town was on lookout for him.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I wonder how he got outside the perimeter they set up.

CTU was responsible for the perimeter.

 

[jon_mx]

If they would have invested a couple bucks in disguises, I think they would still be free now.

 

[tjnc09]

When they arrested the younger brother, why wouldn't they have made him strip like that innocent kid in the street? The picture shows cops around him with all his clothes on

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

When they arrested the younger brother, why wouldn't they have made him strip like that innocent kid in the street? The picture shows cops around him with all his clothes on

he was shot and had lost a lot of blood. plus they were flash banging him left and right, and I heard on the scanners that they were using gas as well.

the reports also indicate that he lifted his shirt to show he had no explosives on before surrendering.

 

[mr roboto]

Has there been any confirmation re:white hat's failed suicide attempt?

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

 

[mr roboto]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

They had him once and they chucked bombs at the cops. I don't think I would question their conservative approach to the boat standoff.

 

[HellToupee]

After looking at a map and listening to replays of the scanner from the first big shootout, I don't get how Franklin Street was outside the perimeter.

really is a different area. I was surprised he made it that far

But the part I was listening to on the scanner talked about something happening on Spruce Street and I thought I heard them talking about setting up a perimeter using Mt Auburn, Arsenal, and Arlington. And I remember hearing a lot of the streets to the east of Spruce (Dexter, Hazel, Howe) during their door-to-door sweep. Where exactly was the shootout?

Franklin is almost a mile from Dexter down Mt Auburn St. Dexter is in the eastend where Franklin is just about the beginning of the center of town.With the police prseence I'm shocked he made it that far. From what I heard from the inspection services they thought he was somewhere on Boylston . The was a blood trail in that area.

 

[tri-man 47]

If they would have invested a couple bucks in disguises, I think they would still be free now.

But ..any chance they wanted to get caught? They wouldn't do much for the Chechen cause if they remained anonymous. ...go out in a blaze of 'glory' and all that. Hopefully they'll learn more from white cap.

 

[gump]

Has there been any confirmation re:white hat's failed suicide attempt?

Ed Davis confirmed it last night on 60 minutes....although he only confirmed the bullet hole thru the back of his neck....not the reason for it.

 

[JuniorNB]

Has there been any confirmation re:white hat's failed suicide attempt?

In the helicopter video, I'm pretty sure you can see him raise his hand to his mouth and his head fly backwards.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

I can't keep up with this thread, so this is probably a repeat. But here is

. Fascinating.

 

[mr roboto]

Has there been any confirmation re:white hat's failed suicide attempt?

In the helicopter video, I'm pretty sure you can see him raise his hand to his mouth and his head fly backwards.

Could you or someone else do me a favor and link this? TYIA.ETA: Nevermind, it's right above this post.

 

[JuniorNB]

Look from 2:50-2:58 of this video. It sure looks like he raises a gun to his mouth and then his head flies backward. I think this is where he tried to kill himself but failed.

 

[Billy Bats]

Everyone can calm down now....

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 9m

Boston bombing suspect not treated as “enemy combatant," will be prosecuted via criminal justice system: White House #breaking

CBS News ‏@CBSNews 6m

JUST IN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev arraigned in his hospital bed earlier today, charges have been sealed until 1st court appearance.

 

[Doug B]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

 

[shuke]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

 

[shuke]

we still don't know what they were doing on the MIT campus, right? that whole part of the story still seems strange, unless the cop identified them somehow.

I think the theory is planting bombs.

 

[pollardsvision]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

In that situation, setting off an explosion isn't the worst thing in the world. Had the kid prepared an explosive device, they'd have wanted to set it off anyway.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I am not sure why they were setting off flash bangs. Were they trying to disorientate him for some reason? Setting off flash bangs where there could be gasoline and/or explosives present does not seem that smart. It seems like they went through a lot of trouble to take him alive.

My understanding is that flash-bangs are "light & sound" grenades, not really conventionally explosive as normally understood.

Yes, their main role is to produce a bright flash and make a loud noise. Their intent is not to injure. But still they do explode and could cause a fire or set off another explosion. Given a canvass cover, a flammable boat, possible gasoline, and potentially explosives still on his person.....seems like a high risk and little to be gained by setting them off. Seems like the police were like, hey we got these, let's use them.

By the same token, had there been explosives on the boat, they'd rather they go off before they "went in to get him".

 

[Abraham]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

I imagine the guy felt the way a lot of people might and thought "there is no way the guy is in my boat....I don't want to call the police for a false alarm..."

 

[jon_mx]

Everyone can calm down now....

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 9m

Boston bombing suspect not treated as enemy combatant," will be prosecuted via criminal justice system: White House #breaking

CBS News ‏@CBSNews 6m

JUST IN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev arraigned in his hospital bed earlier today, charges have been sealed until 1st court appearance.

McCain and GrahamCracker are idiots

 

[JuniorNB]

As much as they drill and prepare for catastrophic events and manhunts, no two are the same and there isn't an instruction manual. The cops already saw one of their own dead and another in intensive care from this clown. I'm not about to criticize anything they did. They caught/killed the two perpetrators a mere four days after a terroristic act. They should all be handled this efficiently.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Glad to see tim working his mojo in this thread. His pompousity knows no bounds.

I try be bounded by spelling.

 

[shuke]

The whole area was in lockdown. The lockdown was lifted and the owner stepped outside for fresh air and noticed the shrinkwrap and the strap holding it down were cut and blood on the boat. He looked insided and saw the suspect and called 911.

To me, this is the craziest part of this. The owner noticed blood and got a ladder to look into the boat?? Huge balls or stupidity?

I imagine the guy felt the way a lot of people might and thought "there is no way the guy is in my boat....I don't want to call the police for a false alarm..."

I can't imagine anyone thinking that if they lived right outside the perimeter. I'd be freaked the #### out.