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FanDuel/DraftKings Week 10 (1 Viewer)

I was on the McCown/Evans stack already....hate that it looks like its popular.

Using them enabled me to jump on Demarco, Bryant and Graham, with S. Jackson as my 2nd RB (like him coming off the bye and playing with a lead this week), and Justin Hunter as my 3rd WR (10 targets last week)

 
Feel like I'm flailing a little bit w/ my Thursday lineups. I don't want to be 100% invested in Hill, but I keep being drawn to his price+usage+opponent combo. I'm also all over the place on QB/WR stacks in GPPs. So many cheap combos look good, then you have Ben/whomever that looks like a very good play given the matchup but feels like chasing points.

 
Feel like I'm flailing a little bit w/ my Thursday lineups. I don't want to be 100% invested in Hill, but I keep being drawn to his price+usage+opponent combo. I'm also all over the place on QB/WR stacks in GPPs. So many cheap combos look good, then you have Ben/whomever that looks like a very good play given the matchup but feels like chasing points.
Personal experience on the stacks...

If trying to shoehorn a stack into a solid lineup is not working, don't sweat it. Way too many times have I sacrificed a lineup spot to be able to afford a stack and that spot came up empty costing me a game.

 
I have had zero success with cheap QBs (starting with Shaun Hill week 1 :hot: ).

I think I'll just stick with Rodgers / Big Ben this week.

 
I have had zero success with cheap QBs (starting with Shaun Hill week 1 :hot: ).

I think I'll just stick with Rodgers / Big Ben this week.
I have to agree with this, but I'm still throwing Dirty Sanchez out there in some lineups this week.

 
Feel like I'm flailing a little bit w/ my Thursday lineups. I don't want to be 100% invested in Hill, but I keep being drawn to his price+usage+opponent combo. I'm also all over the place on QB/WR stacks in GPPs. So many cheap combos look good, then you have Ben/whomever that looks like a very good play given the matchup but feels like chasing points.
Personal experience on the stacks...

If trying to shoehorn a stack into a solid lineup is not working, don't sweat it. Way too many times have I sacrificed a lineup spot to be able to afford a stack and that spot came up empty costing me a game.
I agree, but there are several I think have the potential to be so good/cheap that I'm paralyzed.As far as cheap QBs, remember that a 12 point performance for a $5500 player isn't bad even in a GPP. That extra $2000-2500 can be spent so nicely elsewhere. Even if that $5500 QB throws up 8 points it isn't fatal. Weeden was atrocious last week, but he was a recent return on his cost, certainly better than Kaep who was highly touted.

 
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I have had zero success with cheap QBs (starting with Shaun Hill week 1 :hot: ).

I think I'll just stick with Rodgers / Big Ben this week.
Agree with this, I never put a cheap QB in a 50/50 or double up (been burned way too many times). I will throw them out there in a GPP though hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

 
Sanchez

Hillman

Shady

Jordy

Julio

K Benjamin

Heath miller

M Bryant

Denver

Thoughts?
My (Thursday) Buttfumble lineup:

Mark Sanchez

LeSean McCoy

Jeremy Hill

Demaryius Thomas

Julio Jones

Brandon Marshall

Larry Donnell

Shaun Suisham

Green Bay Packers

 
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So much food for thought...have this so far:

Newton

Rainey

Hillman

Benjamin

White

Maclin

Bennett

Bryant

Cards

 
5 GPP lineup stacks

Big Ben/Brown 17.4

Sanchez/Maclin 15.3

McCown/Evans 12.3

Ryan/Jones 15.8

Newton/Benjamin 14.4
Are the rest of the lineups with those stacks basically the same (with small tweaks for salary adjustment), or do you mix it up?

 
5 GPP lineup stacks

Big Ben/Brown 17.4

Sanchez/Maclin 15.3

McCown/Evans 12.3

Ryan/Jones 15.8

Newton/Benjamin 14.4
Are the rest of the lineups with those stacks basically the same (with small tweaks for salary adjustment), or do you mix it up?
Similar, but I definitely tried to mix it up.

Hill in 3. Shady in 2. Rainey in 2. Benjamin in 4. Brown in 2. Evans in 2.

 
I'm all about the cheap QBs. I play exclusively on DK, and in a full-point PPR scoring setting with 4pt TDs, they are highly devalued as opposed to standard scoring.

I figure it this way - a cheap QB will still usually be a good bet to put up around 12-20 points. Unless a QB has a really big game, they're usually going to stay under 30 points.

With that extra ~$3,000 I think I can more can make up for that point difference by spending on top RB/WR/TEs.

My .02

 
Ok.. so decided to play a Thursday-Sunday $5 double up..

Ben Roethlisberger
Marshawn Lynch
Jeremy Hill
Mike Evans
Martavis Bryant
Jeremy Maclin
Owen Daniels
Matt Bryant
Detroit Lions

Have $200 left and debating whether to stick with Ben @ Jets..

Or spend that $200 on Stafford who gets Calvin Back at home vs. Miami :oldunsure:

 
I have Sanchez in alot of my early lineups, but he's not as dirt cheap as some of the options in previous weeks at $6600. I was riding Bridgewater or Bortles in that ~$5200 range before. While their numbers weren't great, I was lucky enough to hit on the other guys I used the extra money on. I'm still not in love with my Sanchez lineups.

 
I have Sanchez in alot of my early lineups, but he's not as dirt cheap as some of the options in previous weeks at $6600. I was riding Bridgewater or Bortles in that ~$5200 range before. While their numbers weren't great, I was lucky enough to hit on the other guys I used the extra money on. I'm still not in love with my Sanchez lineups.
Grab some McCown. He's playing a brutal Falcons defense, and will likely be throwing the whole game in come-from-behind mode. Use the extra $900 to upgrade elsewhere.

I am all about 250/2TDs for a $5700 QB.

 
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Is the Lee article on Tips and Picks for the Thursday game (plus Ks and Ds) usually the only content available at this point on thursday?

I thought there were usually more articles but could be wrong.

 
Is the Lee article on Tips and Picks for the Thursday game (plus Ks and Ds) usually the only content available at this point on thursday?

I thought there were usually more articles but could be wrong.
Nope, they seem to be running late this week. I've been hitting F5 all day long.

 
My 1 and only Thursday Lineup. Used for both GPP and Cash.

Ryan

Hill/Mason

Julio/Calvin/Marshall

Walker

Graham

Seahawks

I really like it. Only player with a real ceiling is Mason, but he has a decent floor too. The WRs could all explode. Delanie Walker have a decent day too imo. And the Seahawks are going to just mangle the Giants, its as sure a thing as sure things get imo

 
Can someone give the link for this week's FBG 50/50? I was in it last week and did well. I'd like to try to get more entries into the championship. Is there a thread or something dedicated to it? I only found it last week when someone (I think Tremblay) gave a link. Thanks!

 
Who can quickly explain this "stack" stuff. People make it sound like if you stack a QB and WR from the same team, you save money? You get no discount on your salary cap when you do this, correct? Sorry, noob here.

 
I have Sanchez in alot of my early lineups, but he's not as dirt cheap as some of the options in previous weeks at $6600. I was riding Bridgewater or Bortles in that ~$5200 range before. While their numbers weren't great, I was lucky enough to hit on the other guys I used the extra money on. I'm still not in love with my Sanchez lineups.
Grab some McCown. He's playing a brutal Falcons defense, and will likely be throwing the whole game in come-from-behind mode. Use the extra $900 to upgrade elsewhere.

I am all about 250/2TDs for a $5700 QB.
I know he got hurt last time they played the Falcons but he looked absolutely horrible.

 
Who can quickly explain this "stack" stuff. People make it sound like if you stack a QB and WR from the same team, you save money? You get no discount on your salary cap when you do this, correct? Sorry, noob here.
W3junkyStack means qb and wr from the same team. There's no discount or anything but you score big if they both hit big numbers.

Or qb and rb or qb and te.

 
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Who can quickly explain this "stack" stuff. People make it sound like if you stack a QB and WR from the same team, you save money? You get no discount on your salary cap when you do this, correct? Sorry, noob here.
No savings. It's just a philosophy in GPP -- since you need to reasonably hit a decent # on your QB to have a shot anyway, you might as well pair him w/ a good WR/TE on his team to go for the homerun.

The thinking is, for example, that if you think Sanchez is going to have a good game at his price, you should pair him w/ Maclin, Ertz, Cooper, or Matthews (depending on the salary demands of the rest of your roster, who you think will have the better game, etc) to maximize your score. A 25 yard Sanchez-to-Maclin TD pass is worth 14 points if you have both. You need 2 TD "events" to get that if you don't have a stack.

The flip side is a REALLY low score if you miss, but the potential big number if you hit can make it worth it in a GPP. Not really a sound strategy in cash games tho.

 
Am I missing something with a GPP play built around Mettenberger, Hill, Forsett, and Hunter? If Balt mauls Tenn, the script fits nicely with those players. That's only $24,900. I realize the Mettenberger/Hunter stack is fraught w/ risk since they both kinda suck, but it's not crazy to think they get 1-2 big plays against that defense down 24.

 
Feel like I'm flailing a little bit w/ my Thursday lineups. I don't want to be 100% invested in Hill, but I keep being drawn to his price+usage+opponent combo. I'm also all over the place on QB/WR stacks in GPPs. So many cheap combos look good, then you have Ben/whomever that looks like a very good play given the matchup but feels like chasing points.
Personal experience on the stacks...

If trying to shoehorn a stack into a solid lineup is not working, don't sweat it. Way too many times have I sacrificed a lineup spot to be able to afford a stack and that spot came up empty costing me a game.
I agree, but there are several I think have the potential to be so good/cheap that I'm paralyzed.As far as cheap QBs, remember that a 12 point performance for a $5500 player isn't bad even in a GPP. That extra $2000-2500 can be spent so nicely elsewhere. Even if that $5500 QB throws up 8 points it isn't fatal. Weeden was atrocious last week, but he was a recent return on his cost, certainly better than Kaep who was highly touted.
Though 12 pts for 5,500 isn't bad, I believe that in order to win a GPP, you need to be around 3x a players value. So if I'm spending $5,500 on a QB, I really need him to get me about 16.5 to get his true "value". That being said, it's not necessarily a hard and fast rule as you might have someone really go off and that would make up for whatever shortcoming. However, it is my BELIEF that unless you get at LEAST 15 from a QB(probably need to be closer to 20 in reality), you will not win a GPP. Especially a large one.

 
Who can quickly explain this "stack" stuff. People make it sound like if you stack a QB and WR from the same team, you save money? You get no discount on your salary cap when you do this, correct? Sorry, noob here.
When you stack a QB and WR (or TE) from the same team, you're not getting a discount on your salary cap. But you are increasing your chances of having a very high or very low score from that combo instead of a medium score. This makes sense in tournaments, because a very low score is generally no worse than a medium score: you're out of the money either way.

Let's say you've got Kelvin Benjamin at WR, and now you're choosing between Cam Newton or Matt Ryan at QB. If you select Ryan, the QB-WR combination could be great-great, medium-medium, horrible-horrible, great-horrible, horrible-great, medium-great, and so on. All combinations are perfectly likely because the QB's performance and the WR's performance are uncorrelated.

But if you select Newton, now certain options that lead to an overall medium score (like horrible-great) are much less likely. The odds of great-great and horrible-horrible are increased, while the odds of great-horrible and horrible-great are decreased, and the overall effect is to make the combined score more volatile. Compared to the Ryan-Benjamin combo, the Newton-Benjamin combo is more likely to be very high or very low, and less likely to be medium.

That's an advantage in tournaments, where we're really trying to avoid mediocrity.

It's not a huge deal. You can have a great tournament lineup without stacking, and you can have a great cash-game lineup with stacking. But at the margin, as just one among many factors to consider, stacking is generally a point in favor of a tournament lineup.

 
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Am I missing something with a GPP play built around Mettenberger, Hill, Forsett, and Hunter? If Balt mauls Tenn, the script fits nicely with those players. That's only $24,900. I realize the Mettenberger/Hunter stack is fraught w/ risk since they both kinda suck, but it's not crazy to think they get 1-2 big plays against that defense down 24.
I am loving Hunter at his pricetag. He was targeted 10 times last week, so he has Mettenbergers attention. Better yet, he looked for him in the red zone.

With my McCown/Evans stack, and getting Hunter dirt cheap, I loaded up with at RB/WR/TE with Demarco/Antonio/Graham.

 
Relatively new to this thing. Won some weeks, lost some weeks. Gaining a lot of insight from these threads, so thanks everyone.

My two FD Thursday lineups:

Rodgers

Ingram/Hill

Cobb/Hunter/Adams

Bennett

Crosby

Cards

Sanchez

Ingram/Hill

Brown/Cobb/Hunter

Daniels

Graham

Cards

 
I'm glad I faded Hill in all my GPPs save 1. He's in my cash lineups purely as s defensive move.

 
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I mentioned this in last week's daily thread, but there is new fantasy site called Fantasy Draft. They are still in beta testing, before going live in a couple weeks, but they are offering up weekly freerolls up until they go live. They pay out in "Fantasy Cash" which can be used as real money, once the site goes live...any money you win, has to be put into play once the site goes live, and then any of that "Fantasy Cash" used for buy-ins turns into real money, you can cash out.

This week, there is a $30K guaranteed, paying out 750 spots! Last week's $20K guaranteed had just over 2k entrants or so, so if the entrant pool is relatively the same, it poses great odds of cashing in a GPP style tournament. A good buddy knows one of the people who are starting up the site, so it is not very well known as of yet (only insiders and referrals currently)

Here is the link for anyone interested: Fantasy Draft Link

Good luck if you choose to join! FYI - The freeroll is called "NFL $30K Freeroll (Sun - Mon)

 
UgggLy

Luckily I only went with Hill in 1 of my 3 lineups and stayed away from all others...and he was about 50% owned so 1 out of 2 took the same hit.

Great night for the fade

I wonder how many people bought NFL Network after half a season of CBS Thursday blowouts in order to watch this mess.

Garbage. They really need to give up on Thursday night Football in my opinion.

 

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