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My local GB media source (same guy who had the scoop that Woodson signed w/ GB, if anyone remembers that) says that McCarthy told Favre he would be the backup. Period. No competition. Rodgers is the starter.Obviously I have no link to support this, so take it FWIW.
I don't think he was insulted by this one particular round of exchanges. I think it was more of a general feeling and came to a head with Joe calling for TT to resign yet not connecting the line of thinking that it might infer that he is "stupid" when it comes to making decisions about Favre this year. I only say this as a casual observer because I too feel the quality of the shark pool has declined as compared with a couple years ago. Too much is taken out of context, people use literal and implied interpretations to win over there side of the discussion and waist posts with attacks or meaningless jokes. I do feel for Joe and the moderators though, unfortunately you can’t just go around warning and banning people because they are annoying and like to argue for the sake of arguing.
Now see, I can't watch that because Time Warner sucks!This just keeps getting better.
Unbelievably stupid if true.
People talking about building for the future is less about him being unstable...its about delaying his progression another year for a tiny shot at a title this year with Favre.If Rodgers is not a huge dropoff...is it better for this year AND the long term to start Rodgers and continue his development.Favre is most likely best for this year...but is Rodgers better for both the short and long term of the team?But if true...stupid to just say it that way.
I think thats coming this week if they can't trade him quick, pretty sure they would just give him to tampa if they could.
It was also reported on the radio earlier
Just proves he's not 100% about playing, which is why the Packers have been reluctant to welcome him back.
Interesting given Favre himself indicated McCarthy asked him if he was open to the idea of competing for the job.
Honestly, I'm a lifelong Packers fan, but considering how blatantly they're screwing this thing up, it's going to be hard for me to cheer for them this year.This whole fiasco will define TT's front office career. Awfully brave (stupid) of him to bet it on Aaron Rodgers...
Hey, it could be false or misinterpreted by this guy. He's a straight shooter, but clearly it's impossible to validate his statement.
But again...if he brings Favre back and they don't win it all...where does it leave them at the end of the year.IMO...there was not perfect/right move with this the minute Favre retired in the first place.
No, it proves that he cares about his soon-to-be-former teammates (to a fault) and that he's not the selfish jerk that all the Favre-haters are making him out to be.
This really reminds of me of when the Brewers pushed Paul Molitor out of town in 92. An incredibly ignorant decision that soured me on the Brewers for over a decade. I simply cannot understand how the Packers can be so adamantly opposed to making the intelligent decision here.
Its just odd...if true...Favre seems to then be lying in his quotes in the article that has been posted.Who the hell is telling the truth right now?
Not trying to pick on you here...but why do you assume the intelligent decision is just to bring him back?How do you now?
I should clarify to say that in my opinion allowing him to compete for the job is the only intelligent decision to be made - and it's one that (in my opinion) should have been made the second Favre said he wanted to come back. Instead, it's turned into a giant pissing match and a He Said vs. He Said BS mudslinging fest where both sides have done significant damages to their reputations.
How do you know the intelligent decision is to not bring him back?
Incredible. J
I don't think that's the case, based on the way things seem to have transpired. I'm not saying he doesn't care, I'm just saying I don't think that's why he's not pushing harder. As someone said a while back, there has definitely been a pattern of self-indulgence over the past several years.
Is he taking his ball with him, on his way home?
Actually, was an attempt at sarcasm. I wish the best for Favre and am just sick of people piling on blame for someone who wants to play football. By now it is clear that his story is and was closer to what he had been told than the FO story. To me, they have lied repeatedly and he has told a version of the truth.BigJim® said:
I have seen very little self indulgence and also think it shows he cares about his CURRENT teammates. Always has.
I can't disagree with any of this, to be honest. I was just pointing out that it is going on and it seemed to me that he acted surprised by it. We get closer to the FFA in here every day. Although to be fair, I seem to think this happens during this time most seasons as we get an influx of people, some of them new.
McCarthy has proven he is beholden to his employer, as many of us are.But neither the fans nor Favre should take him at his word any more.
Then you're not paying attention.Do you really think that the Packers told him before he reported that there'd be an open competition, and that he reported only to be told that they'd changed their minds? (Actually, a change of minds there would be deserved, but I digress.)
To be fair, unless you know differently, Goodell verbally asked him to hold off on the reinstatement and then sat on the actual request for 4-5 days, right?
I sincerely believe that Rodgers will NEVER give the Packers a better chance of winning than Favre. I would be willing give strong odds Rodgers looks poor this season and next.Are you saying that there are some people that think that Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Brett Favre this year? Or that Green Bay will be a better team with Aaron Rodgers as the starter than they would be with Favre as the starter?I'm saying that I don't think even Ted Thompson truly believes that in his heart. I think he's letting personal opinions get in the way of him doing his job - putting the best team on the field.Let's look at it this way (and this is probably worth it's own poll): Let's imagine that after the playoff game last year, Favre goes into the post game press conference and announces that he feels like he's still on top of his game. He feels he can build on the 2007 season and wants to lead the 2008 Packers to another Super Bowl. He says right then he'll be back for 2008 and he plans to be even better than ever.If he'd said that, how much consideration would Aaron Rodger have received for the starting QB job in 2008?JYou're missing the point.You said that a GM that thinks Rodgers is better than Favre ought to resign.Do I think that Rodgers is a better QB than Favre? No. But I'm an IT manager. Ted Thompson and his staff are among the best in the world at identifying football talent.Could they be wrong? Sure. But to say they're absolutely wrong based on our extensive experience eating Cheetos and flipping between the Packers game and the Vikings game while watching MFL stats refresh every 60 seconds is pretty over-the-top arrogant (and wrong), imo.Hi CM,On the basis that I think Brett Favre gives the Packers a much better chance to win than Aaron Rodgers. Do you disagree with that?And it's mostly the football experience that lets me think this. The Boats didn't have much to do with it.J
Shame on the packers? This is a business, and whether you and I agree with it or not, they want Aaron to be the starter this year and they are in charge of their business decision. Even if Brett didn't retire they could make the same business decisions they are making today. Good decisions or not.
Perhaps I just don't see what he was supposed to do differently if he wanted to play when they have tried and tried not to let him.Perhaps I just have more attention to pay and a better central processing unit to analyze the data...
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right now. Unbelievable if they truly do find a way to screw this up.There are a whole lot of ways to run a business. Saying it is that excuses very little. It is possible, just possible, that there are more important things in a business than profit.Like integrity. Without it, profits matter little.
Put his helmet on and run out onto the field at the start of practice?
Let me bring that analogy to the current for all younger people: Microsoft and Window's Vista.Many of you guys arent' old enough to remember when Coke decided to change their flavor to New Coke. I was in college. I remember thinking, "That seems like a terrible idea. But the guys calling the shots at Coke are smart business people making a ton of money. They must know what they're doing."Turns out they did not know what they're doing.I think we're watching the NFL equivalent of that now. If I were a die hard Packers fan (I'm not but I know there are tons that are) I would be beyondright now. Unbelievable if they truly do find a way to screw this up.J
This whole mess has already lasted longer then New Coke did.Many of you guys arent' old enough to remember when Coke decided to change their flavor to New Coke. I was in college. I remember thinking, "That seems like a terrible idea. But the guys calling the shots at Coke are smart business people making a ton of money. They must know what they're doing."Turns out they did not know what they're doing.I think we're watching the NFL equivalent of that now. If I were a die hard Packers fan (I'm not but I know there are tons that are) I would be beyond
Didn't Goodell say that he decided to reinstate Favre because he wanted this thing resolved?
This whole mess has already lasted longer then New Coke did.Many of you guys arent' old enough to remember when Coke decided to change their flavor to New Coke. I was in college. I remember thinking, "That seems like a terrible idea. But the guys calling the shots at Coke are smart business people making a ton of money. They must know what they're doing."Turns out they did not know what they're doing.I think we're watching the NFL equivalent of that now. If I were a die hard Packers fan (I'm not but I know there are tons that are) I would be beyond
J
Yep. Coca-Cola executives announced the return of the original formula less than three months after New Coke's introduction.
The only thing that makes sense to me on this is that they're finalizing a trade. They don't want him to go out and twist a knee before they can trade him. That has to be it, right?
