Farve Reinstated; expected to report Monday (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

McCarthy is coming out of this press conference looking extremely classy. While some of his response are less than fully honest, he can't tell us everything he knows. He's being very respectful of Favre & his feelings about the situation. Big props to McCarthy.

I disagree...he said he didn't want to do the PR thing, but he is saying a lot about Brett, for not wanting to "speak for him"...

The truth is somewhere in the middle. McCarthy's in an impossible spot and is looking sympathetic. He clearly doesn't want to bash Favre, but he's also frustrated about Favre's approach to this situation. McCarthy also has to make sure that the rest of the team knows his priorities are with them, and that the team has to be ready to play when the season comes, regardless. Like I said above, McCarthy's saying some surprisingly pointed things about Favre, but he's not unloading on Favre either, which points out his overall dilemma. I think McCarthy is sympathetic here.

 

[fatness]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

"He's in a tough spot."

 

[T Bell]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

 

[fatness]

He said that at least twice, yes. And followed it with saying that Favre now says he wants to play, is very convincing, etc.

edit: press conference is over now

 

[Phil Elliott]

McCarthy is coming out of this press conference looking extremely classy. While some of his response are less than fully honest, he can't tell us everything he knows. He's being very respectful of Favre & his feelings about the situation. Big props to McCarthy.

I disagree...he said he didn't want to do the PR thing, but he is saying a lot about Brett, for not wanting to "speak for him"...

The truth is somewhere in the middle. McCarthy's in an impossible spot and is looking sympathetic. He clearly doesn't want to bash Favre, but he's also frustrated about Favre's approach to this situation. McCarthy also has to make sure that the rest of the team knows his priorities are with them, and that the team has to be ready to play when the season comes, regardless. Like I said above, McCarthy's saying some surprisingly pointed things about Favre, but he's not unloading on Favre either, which points out his overall dilemma. I think McCarthy is sympathetic here.

He is giving a lot of opinions about Favre...he should just say "you should ask Brett".... I don't think he is "not classy" but I think he could have kept the subjects of the discussion more confidential.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Bwahhhh what was that troll doing with the season press credentials in the first place! That's a tough place to be a journalist.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Excellent job by McCarthy in a very tough situation. Packer fans can be very confident going forward given the impressive professionalism, leadership and dedication shown by Thompson and McCarthy throughout this difficult saga. Certainly, they have always wanted to be able to put #4 up on the wall at Lambeau next to 3, 14, 15, 66 and 92, and I think they've maintained the ability to still bestow that tremendous honor on a great fomer Packer.

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

 

[Hov34]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yes.Thought he handled it very well. He didn't try to speak for Favre but was as forthcoming as he could be.Tons of random questions but the one guy asked what we've been hitting on asking how he could explain how a guy goes from 13-3 and #2 in MVP voting to not being the QB any longer when it looksl like he wants to be. McCarthy squirmed a little and said he didn't have a short answer. Reporter asked for the long answer and McCarthy said they didn't have time. That is the huge question though. And as well as he spoke here, the fact they're hitting the field in 2008 without Favre seems like a failure on their part to me.J

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

If you were listening McCarthy answered the question what would Brett's position be if offered the starting job and he still said Brett wasn't there emotionally. Until we hear different from Brett I will take this as Brett waffling as usual.

 

[Hawk Fan]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yes.Thought he handled it very well. He didn't try to speak for Favre but was as forthcoming as he could be.Tons of random questions but the one guy asked what we've been hitting on asking how he could explain how a guy goes from 13-3 and #2 in MVP voting to not being the QB any longer when it looksl like he wants to be. McCarthy squirmed a little and said he didn't have a short answer. Reporter asked for the long answer and McCarthy said they didn't have time. That is the huge question though. And as well as he spoke here, the fact they're hitting the field in 2008 without Favre seems like a failure on their part to me.J

I took his comments on that question to mean it would take 6 hours or so to explain why Brett was so emotional, full of grudges and not committed to play for GB.. McCarthy had questions lined up to test his answers if he were ready to come be a member of the 80 man roster and, from McCarthy's, Brett couldn't get past his issues. Until I hear different from Mr. Favre, I trust McCarthy on this one.

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Let's hear different from Favre then instead of speculation. All we have to go on is McCarthy's side of the story.

 

[T Bell]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yes.Thought he handled it very well. He didn't try to speak for Favre but was as forthcoming as he could be.Tons of random questions but the one guy asked what we've been hitting on asking how he could explain how a guy goes from 13-3 and #2 in MVP voting to not being the QB any longer when it looksl like he wants to be. McCarthy squirmed a little and said he didn't have a short answer. Reporter asked for the long answer and McCarthy said they didn't have time. That is the huge question though. And as well as he spoke here, the fact they're hitting the field in 2008 without Favre seems like a failure on their part to me.J

I took his comments on that question to mean it would take 6 hours or so to explain why Brett was so emotional, full of grudges and not committed to play for GB.. McCarthy had questions lined up to test his answers if he were ready to come be a member of the 80 man roster and, from McCarthy's, Brett couldn't get past his issues. Until I hear different from Mr. Favre, I trust McCarthy on this one.

I have the same impression based upon what I'm reading and what I heard. I think Favre spewed a bunch of bile at McCarthy, and McCarthy rightfully concluded that he couldn't have that in the locker room right now.My question is, when does this start to look like a poison pill strategy with Favre trying to appear so miserable that the team is forced to trade or release him?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Favre didn't come back to compete; he came back to push this thing forward. Of course he's "not in the right place" to discuss competing for the job. That's not why he's here.

 

[Todem]

Wendy Nix reporting a "deal (trade) is in place, but Thompson will NOT trade him to a division rival."

Wendy Nix has gotten all her information from Favre today, so take that report with a grain of salt.

TT is a jackass. His job is toast after all this is done. Throw in Mcarthy too. They are going to be shown the door.Brett holds all the cards now.

I know that we don't need to try reasoning with you...Calling TT what you did...are you just having a bad day or what? These kind of posts add nothing...why would TT be shown the door after he has rebuilt the mess that Mike SHerman left behind. And Mike McCarthy is talked about as one of the best young HC in the NFL...he would be unemployed all of about a minute so your venom is way of base, just not sure how much schtick I am dealing with here.

I see we have an affection for ther Dolphins. Cool.I am calling him that because he has mishandled this. Brett is a flip flopper...we all know that. Bottom line his yeah he rebuilt the tram and he has done a great job...but a serious problem is now going to surface....he has no Field Genereal to run it anymore.Spare me the Aarron Rodgers talk. He has one of the best QB's of all time still playing at a high level and he bascically shut the door at some point. Brett also has not handled this well either I agree.However for shutting the door that he is a jackass. A bad decision and it will show when they start playing with their beloved Aarron Rodgers. If I am wrong I will eat all the crow you want to throw at me. They will finsh at best 9-7.....at best.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

My question is, when does this start to look like a poison pill strategy with Favre trying to appear so miserable that the team is forced to trade or release him?

Yesterday

 

[Todem]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yes.Thought he handled it very well. He didn't try to speak for Favre but was as forthcoming as he could be.Tons of random questions but the one guy asked what we've been hitting on asking how he could explain how a guy goes from 13-3 and #2 in MVP voting to not being the QB any longer when it looksl like he wants to be. McCarthy squirmed a little and said he didn't have a short answer. Reporter asked for the long answer and McCarthy said they didn't have time. That is the huge question though. And as well as he spoke here, the fact they're hitting the field in 2008 without Favre seems like a failure on their part to me.J

My whole point throughout these pages and posts. It is as simple as that.

 

[Moe Green]

What happened with the statement Favre supposedly made to Thompson 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job'

Why the sudden change of heart?

Oh wait, he's Brett Favre.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

If you were listening McCarthy answered the question what would Brett's position be if offered the starting job and he still said Brett wasn't there emotionally. Until we hear different from Brett I will take this as Brett waffling as usual.

I guess I want to know what makes McCarthy able to say "I don't think you want to play football anymore."I mean if Favre says "Yes, I am here for the team. I am here to win," then who is McCarthy to say "I don't think you are."

Yes, I agree that's a quality of being a coach...to tell if somebody is ready to play. But doesn't McCarthy have to take Favre at his word?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

What happened with the statement Favre supposedly made to Thompson 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job'Why the sudden change of heart?Oh wait, he's Brett Favre.

This one I don't think was a flip-flop, just a maneuver. As I said above, he didn't come back to compete. At this point his job is to (1) do anything he can to make himself look like a victim and (2) force the Packers toward a resolution he likes. Any quotes he gives to Mortensen, Werder or Nix are part of this, too.

 

[metoo]

McCarthy is coming out of this press conference looking extremely classy. While some of his response are less than fully honest, he can't tell us everything he knows. He's being very respectful of Favre & his feelings about the situation. Big props to McCarthy.

I disagree...he said he didn't want to do the PR thing, but he is saying a lot about Brett, for not wanting to "speak for him"...

The truth is somewhere in the middle. McCarthy's in an impossible spot and is looking sympathetic. He clearly doesn't want to bash Favre, but he's also frustrated about Favre's approach to this situation. McCarthy also has to make sure that the rest of the team knows his priorities are with them, and that the team has to be ready to play when the season comes, regardless. Like I said above, McCarthy's saying some surprisingly pointed things about Favre, but he's not unloading on Favre either, which points out his overall dilemma. I think McCarthy is sympathetic here.

He is giving a lot of opinions about Favre...he should just say "you should ask Brett".... I don't think he is "not classy" but I think he could have kept the subjects of the discussion more confidential.

I think he's tried but he's tired of the situation. I personally feel they both handled this badly.

 

[Gopher State]

McCarthy: Favre not of right mindset

August 5th, 2008 – 5:51 PM by Judd Zulgad Minneapolis Star and Tribune

This comes from our NFL reporter Mark Craig, who is in Green Bay covering the Brett Favre news.

It appears Brett Favre’s playing days in Green Bay are over.

Six hours of face-to-face discussions between Favre and Packers coach Mike McCarthy the past two days have left McCarthy convinced Favre no longer wants to play for the Packers.

“Basically he’s not of the right mindset to play here because of all that went on during the offseason,” McCarthy said.

When asked whether there was any scenario in which the Packers would trade Favre to the Vikings, McCarthy dodged the question but did not reject it outright as general manager Ted Thompson did a week ago.

“I’m not going to dsicuss any trade talks at this time,” McCarthy said.

Reports are that trade talks between the Packers and Tampa Bay are intensifying as the Green Bay looks to find some sort of resolution to this matter without releasing Favre.

McCarthy said he plans to meet again with Favre tonight but it doesn’t appear they will come to any kind of resolution. If that’s the case, McCarthy seems ready to move on.

“Our football team is ready to move forward,” McCarthy said. “The train has left the station".

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

If you were listening McCarthy answered the question what would Brett's position be if offered the starting job and he still said Brett wasn't there emotionally. Until we hear different from Brett I will take this as Brett waffling as usual.

I guess I want to know what makes McCarthy able to say "I don't think you want to play football anymore."I mean if Favre says "Yes, I am here for the team. I am here to win," then who is McCarthy to say "I don't think you are."

Yes, I agree that's a quality of being a coach...to tell if somebody is ready to play. But doesn't McCarthy have to take Favre at his word?

According to McCarthy's answers in the interview Brett would not say he is committed to play for GB. Where did you get that quote? He said Brett wants to play football, but, not for GB. That's what I heard and McCarthy did his job. Of course we may hear different from Brett??

 

[Hawk Fan]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Let's hear different from Favre then instead of speculation. All we have to go on is McCarthy's side of the story.

I'd love to hear Favre's side of the story.McCarthy didn't present himself badly, but some of the comments seemed disingenuous. Favre is "not in the right place." How could he be with the way the F.O. has handled this? Sure, Favre put them in a very tough spot with his wishy-washiness. But if they wanted him in the "right place," they should have said, come on in Brett and we'll have an open competition for the starting spot right off the bat. If they didn't want him in the "right place," as I believe they don't, they should have said "Sorry Brett, we've 'moved on' without you. Let's get you traded." They tried to play the middle road, backing up on statements that Aaron Rogers is our starting quarterback, saying there would be an "open competition," and then trying to absolve themselves of responsibility by saying "It's Favre's fault. He's not really into it."

Also, that train has left the station thing sounded rehearsed to me, like Ari Fleischer said that would be a nice talking point for this situation.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

What happened with the statement Favre supposedly made to Thompson 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job'Why the sudden change of heart?Oh wait, he's Brett Favre.

From what I've heard, he was told behind the scenes that Rodgers is the QB, and Favre would never have a real chance to win the starting job. Based on the way TT has handled this situation, I find that scenario quite plausible.

 

[ookook]

Though..TT messed up from the start by not just getting on a plane or putting Favre on a plane and getting together to have these talks that they have had over the last 24 hours then...6 weeks ago.

You're assuming that there was something that could be worked out between TT and Favre. I don't think so given what I believe are Favre's motives here.

Or TT's. He wants to build an entire Super Bowl contender from scratch, with his players, to satisfy his ego. At least that's probably the way Favre sees it. And I don't blame him one bit.Either way, it's over and done with.

Yes...to satisfy his ego...that is why he resigned several players to lucrative contracts that were not "his" guys.Please note the sarcasm.To not blame Favre a bit is a bit out there right now IMO. I just don't see how he is getting a full pass by some for this.

Obviously Favre deserves some blame. But c'mon sho, if the Pack won a Super Bowl we all know the story would be "Favre leads team to Super Bowl", and TT is smart enough to know that he'd get little credit. Right or wrong.It's too bad, because other than how he's handled this debacle, TT has done an excellent job as GM. He took a bloated, elderly roster that had been decimated by the poor decisions of pear-shaped Mike Sherman, and he turned it around very quickly. But his tenure will always be tainted now by the perception that he chased Favre out of town.

I think Favre shares some responsibility but not as much blame. I honestly am not sure what he was SUPPOSED to do if changed his mind about wanting to play, once it became clear (and there is consensus that he was told) it would not be in GB. There is now little question that GB never intended to allow Brett to play ANY role on the Packers. They said back-up, they said compete, but they didn't ever mean it. Small wonder Favre was upset when he compared what they told him vs. the media.Of course, it is also true the Packers were in a tough spot once they decided they were going to try to force him and then try to bribe him to stay retired. So clearly Favre tried to similarly force them to release him so he could control where he went. I will go:Responsibility 60% Favre/ 40% PackersBlame 30% Favre / 70% Packers

 

[T Bell]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Let's hear different from Favre then instead of speculation. All we have to go on is McCarthy's side of the story.

I'd love to hear Favre's side of the story.McCarthy didn't present himself badly, but some of the comments seemed disingenuous. Favre is "not in the right place." How could he be with the way the F.O. has handled this? Sure, Favre put them in a very tough spot with his wishy-washiness. But if they wanted him in the "right place," they should have said, come on in Brett and we'll have an open competition for the starting spot right off the bat. If they didn't want him in the "right place," as I believe they don't, they should have said "Sorry Brett, we've 'moved on' without you. Let's get you traded." They tried to play the middle road, backing up on statements that Aaron Rogers is our starting quarterback, saying there would be an "open competition," and then trying to absolve themselves of responsibility by saying "It's Favre's fault. He's not really into it."

Also, that train has left the station thing sounded rehearsed to me, like Ari Fleischer said that would be a nice talking point for this situation.

I had the opposite impression. It sounded like an impulsive, off-the-cuff statement that he immediately regretted for how harsh it sounded, and so he added the "Brett jump on board" comment right after it.

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Let's hear different from Favre then instead of speculation. All we have to go on is McCarthy's side of the story.

I'd love to hear Favre's side of the story.McCarthy didn't present himself badly, but some of the comments seemed disingenuous. Favre is "not in the right place." How could he be with the way the F.O. has handled this? Sure, Favre put them in a very tough spot with his wishy-washiness. But if they wanted him in the "right place," they should have said, come on in Brett and we'll have an open competition for the starting spot right off the bat. If they didn't want him in the "right place," as I believe they don't, they should have said "Sorry Brett, we've 'moved on' without you. Let's get you traded." They tried to play the middle road, backing up on statements that Aaron Rogers is our starting quarterback, saying there would be an "open competition," and then trying to absolve themselves of responsibility by saying "It's Favre's fault. He's not really into it."

Also, that train has left the station thing sounded rehearsed to me, like Ari Fleischer said that would be a nice talking point for this situation.

Understood, my comments are from what I heard from the press conference about the "talk" that happened last night. Nothing leading up to this point.

 

[ookook]

What happened with the statement Favre supposedly made to Thompson 'Let me compete, you'll know I'll win this job'Why the sudden change of heart?Oh wait, he's Brett Favre.

This one I don't think was a flip-flop, just a maneuver. As I said above, he didn't come back to compete. At this point his job is to (1) do anything he can to make himself look like a victim and (2) force the Packers toward a resolution he likes. Any quotes he gives to Mortensen, Werder or Nix are part of this, too.

There is absolutely no evidence Favre was ever going to be allowed to take snaps with other GB players again. None.And they told him as much. (IMHO)

 

[Hawk Fan]

Since when have feelings been so important in the NFL? I thought football was about winning games and seeing the best players play.

/rant

 

[tonydead]

So the trade to TB is just a rumor then? % chance it will happen?

 

[vitaflo]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

If you were listening McCarthy answered the question what would Brett's position be if offered the starting job and he still said Brett wasn't there emotionally. Until we hear different from Brett I will take this as Brett waffling as usual.

I guess I want to know what makes McCarthy able to say "I don't think you want to play football anymore."I mean if Favre says "Yes, I am here for the team. I am here to win," then who is McCarthy to say "I don't think you are."

Yes, I agree that's a quality of being a coach...to tell if somebody is ready to play. But doesn't McCarthy have to take Favre at his word?

Because he asked him if he is there to play for the Packers, to be one of the 80 on the team and Brett just kept talking about the past and everything that happened. And they never could get back to that point. I think that's why he thought he wasn't committed. He did point out he meant committed to the Packers, not to playing in general (for another team).

 

[tonydead]

Since when have feelings been so important in the NFL? I thought football was about winning games and seeing the best players play./rant

Man Law: If you cry during your retirement speech you are never allowed back into the league.

 

[tonydead]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

If you were listening McCarthy answered the question what would Brett's position be if offered the starting job and he still said Brett wasn't there emotionally. Until we hear different from Brett I will take this as Brett waffling as usual.

I guess I want to know what makes McCarthy able to say "I don't think you want to play football anymore."I mean if Favre says "Yes, I am here for the team. I am here to win," then who is McCarthy to say "I don't think you are."

Yes, I agree that's a quality of being a coach...to tell if somebody is ready to play. But doesn't McCarthy have to take Favre at his word?

Because he asked him if he is there to play for the Packers, to be one of the 80 on the team and Brett just kept talking about the past and everything that happened. And they never could get back to that point. I think that's why he thought he wasn't committed. He did point out he meant committed to the Packers, not to playing in general (for another team).

Thank you, someone heard the same press conference that I did!!

 

[ookook]

Since when have feelings been so important in the NFL? I thought football was about winning games and seeing the best players play./rant

Man Law: If you cry during your retirement speech you are never allowed back into the league.

But maybe as a sportscaster...

 

[Hawk Fan]

Since when have feelings been so important in the NFL? I thought football was about winning games and seeing the best players play./rant

Man Law: If you cry during your retirement speech you are never allowed back into the league.

True, I'm not a big fan of crying. At least it wasn't on the field. And I'm so sick of the comparisons to a bad marriage. This is nothing like a bad marriage. It's football.

 

[Eric Stratton]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

Excatly, it appears that Brett had his feelings hurt that they didn't indicate that they really wanted him back after the season and his feelings are really hurt over how this has been handled. Grow up, Brett.Also, it has been reported that the Packers made the decision soon after the NFC Championship game when Favre threw that last INT trying to hit the only WR that was covered on that play. Favre hadn't performed as well as they had liked in post season games and they felt Rodgers could step in. So it appears TT does think the team is better off this year with Rodgers at the helm and not Favre. I sure hope that works out for TT and McCarthy. It also makes sense because a former player one of the teams that McCarthy was an assistant on was on ESPN radio this morning(I can't remember what player) and he stated the McCarthy is very arrogant and believes his system makes the QB and it really doesn't matter who the QB is.

 

[flapgreen]

I hate the Packers with all of my being

eta: I wish death to the franchise

 

[sho nuff]

Though..TT messed up from the start by not just getting on a plane or putting Favre on a plane and getting together to have these talks that they have had over the last 24 hours then...6 weeks ago.

You're assuming that there was something that could be worked out between TT and Favre. I don't think so given what I believe are Favre's motives here.

Or TT's. He wants to build an entire Super Bowl contender from scratch, with his players, to satisfy his ego. At least that's probably the way Favre sees it. And I don't blame him one bit.Either way, it's over and done with.

Yes...to satisfy his ego...that is why he resigned several players to lucrative contracts that were not "his" guys.Please note the sarcasm.To not blame Favre a bit is a bit out there right now IMO. I just don't see how he is getting a full pass by some for this.

Obviously Favre deserves some blame. But c'mon sho, if the Pack won a Super Bowl we all know the story would be "Favre leads team to Super Bowl", and TT is smart enough to know that he'd get little credit. Right or wrong.It's too bad, because other than how he's handled this debacle, TT has done an excellent job as GM. He took a bloated, elderly roster that had been decimated by the poor decisions of pear-shaped Mike Sherman, and he turned it around very quickly. But his tenure will always be tainted now by the perception that he chased Favre out of town.

Little credit for wiing with favre is better than no credit if they dont win without him...tt is smart enough to know that.That perception is short sited imo...and not entirely truthful...its a shame som,e cant see past that.

 

[tonydead]

Per the Milwaukee Journal

"A somewhat irritated and edgy and other times joking Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy just said in his post-practice press conference that began at 5:06 that he and Favre met twice in the last 24 hours. They talked about everything from Favre coaching high school one day to open competition here in training camp in a "brutally honest" conversation.

"Brett wanted to go and continue some discussions with Ted Thompson and his family."

"My whole purpose in talking with Brett, I thought it was an extremely healthy conversation. I thought it was a conversation that was brutally honest. ... The one thing that I was looking for in that conversation was if that he was totally committed.

"His answer frankly was his mindset... that's not where he was. With that we didn't really move ahead. ... He wasn't in the right mindset to play here. ... Here in Green Bay," McCarthy later clarified. "He wants to play."

McCarthy didn't say a trade was imminent, but rather he expected to talk to Favre more tonight. As of now, McCarthy said Favre was not in the proper midset to be with the Packers right now. McCarthy sounded tired of the subject, saying basically that he has moved on trying to coach the Packers to get ready for the upcoming season.

McCarthy said the conversation started with McCarthy asking Favre, 'Was he coming in to the locker room to play for the GB Packers? Where is your mind at?' And we could never get back to that point, McCarthy said. Instead, the two talked about the saga that has unfolded the last 35 days.

McCarthy would not say if Favre told him specifically that he wanted to play for Minnesota.

In fact, McCarthy sounded like he was never convinced really that Favre wanted to play with the Packers again, and said if he was wrong, he was wrong.

"It's a situation that's extremely personal for him. ... He's in a tough spot right now. ... He's got a lot of things going through his head." He said Favre didn't feel entitled to coming back getting the starting quarterback job and that he would have competed with Aaron Rodgers for it. "And I'm sure it would have been a hell of a fight."

McCarthy also said Favre had a lower abdominal strain and had he been at practice today, he would have been in rehabilitation to treat it. But then a business move was made, and Favre is not on the active roster (see previous post).

McCarthy said he wasn't going to drag quarterback Aaron Rodgers into this any more than he already has. "

 

[sho nuff]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

Even Favre said this...why the eyeroll?

 

[sho nuff]

"I truly never believed he wanted to play. I believed he was driven by emotional reasons." --- McCarthy

He said that? The local ESPN radio station I'm listening to isn't carrying the presser anymore.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I got out of it. McCarthy would have given him a chance to compete, but, Favre couldn't get past his grudges on how the whole situation has been handled and cannot commit to playing football for GB. Looks like Farve has waffled again, probably several times during his conversation with McCarthy, and as a good coach should McCarthy took that as a clear sign that this guy is not emotionally stable to be a part of his team.

I don't think this "competition" ever had a chance of happening. That was just backpeddaling on some of their earlier comments.

Let's hear different from Favre then instead of speculation. All we have to go on is McCarthy's side of the story.

No...we have Favre's too..where he said McCarthy asked him about competing.

 

[Eric Stratton]

An interesting article from NBC Sports. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26040067/

 

[fatness]

I think Favre spewed a bunch of bile at McCarthy, and McCarthy rightfully concluded that he couldn't have that in the locker room right now.

That's exactly the impression I got from the press conference as a whole. McCarthy's voice was level, he praised Favre in quite a few ways, but he did repeat that there were things Favre could not get past, and that Favre wasn't in the right mindset to play for the Packers. I got the impression McCarthy had heard a whole lot of #### and was putting as generic a face on it as possible.edit: this is a good explanation of what McCarthy was saying:

Because he asked him if he is there to play for the Packers, to be one of the 80 on the team and Brett just kept talking about the past and everything that happened. And they never could get back to that point. I think that's why he thought he wasn't committed. He did point out he meant committed to the Packers, not to playing in general (for another team).

 

[fatness]

Packers put Favre on non-football injury list

Adding yet another bizarre layer to the saga that is Brett Favre, the Green Bay Packers reported to the league office Tuesday that Favre is not practicing because of a non-football injury. Non-football injuries are those that occur in activities not sanctioned by the team, including offseason workouts away from the team facility.

That status, as well as physically unable to perform, is typically for players who fail their training camp physical. Players in that category still count against the active roster, and can begin practicing at any time until roster cut-downs when teams must decide whether to keep the player on the roster or place them on reserve. On reserve, the player cannot begin practicing until after the sixth week of the season.

It isn't known if Favre even underwent a physical after reporting to training camp Monday. The Packers, of course, have not yet announced this procedural move, much less revealed if Favre actually has an injury.

Link

 

[fatness]

RotoworldBrett Favre - QB - GB - Aug. 5 - 7:26 pm et

The Packers have reportedly placed Brett Favre was placed on the non-football injury list Tuesday.It's usually a status for players who fail a team physical. No matter the reason, this is likely a procedural move designed to open a roster spot while the Packers entertain trade offers. The Bucs look like the heavy favorite for a destination. And for all the talk from Favre that Green Bay was his first choice, it appears he essentially made the decision not to join the Packers this week. Aug. 5 - 7:26 pm et

 

[renesauz]

I have a very serious question for the Favre supporters in this.

Over and over again, I have heard guys say Favre should be allowed to at least compete for the starting job. Over and over again, I've said that just wasn't possible.

The reason I have said that is simple: Those who support Favre seem 100% convinced that Favre would win. This assumption is so strong that those same posters who call for the "open competition" have repeatedly called out TT, the Packers, and all other posters who've said "he might not be". IE: How is it "OPEN" if you've already decided Brett is better?

Personally, I think Rodgers might actually be better at this point in their respective careers, but Brett seems to have come into the whole thing the same way his supporters have....with the underlying assumption that Favre wins any competition and the very strong implication that any competition that resulted in any different result must have been fixed or flawed.

Even Joe Bryant seems to believe this, based on the tone of his posts.

I can't fault anybody for thinking Favre the better QB...but I can fault them for being so sure of themselves that they have been downright rude to those of an opposing opinion. (Anyone who has openly supported TT in this thread has been repeatedly attacked/mocked...even Tremblay has been called out.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Favre camp, and many of his supporters have made it incredibly difficult to even talk rationally because of the underlying assumption that favre is still one of the greatest CURRENT QB's in the NFL, and that the job should be his just because he wants it. I have a real problem with that kind of arrogance, and I suspect that many coaches and GMs would also, even if the player were a little better then the young guy replacing him.

With this kind of attitude, why would TT or McCarthy want him on their team, no matter how good he is?

 

[malaka]

I just want to throw a couple things out there.

Wasn't this press conference with McCarthy delayed, delayed, delayed?

Didn't the packers hire a great PR guy?

Did the press throw any curve balls as far as questions they asked or did they ask the exact questions, everyone on this message board excpected them to ask?

Sounds like everyone felt McCarthy handled this press conference very well, wonder if any of the above has anything to do with it.