Farve Reinstated; expected to report Monday (1 Viewer)

[Phurfur]

Favre was in the NFC Championship Game - at home - OT - with the ball and he couldn't win, what will make this year different or easier. He may give them a better shot this year the only problem is the shot is not big enough and in future years he gives them no shot.

What do you think the odds are that Rodgers or Brohm or Flynn ever gets them that close? Very unlikely IMO.

Close means nothing and close is as far as Favre can get, it is time to look ahead. GB has 3 young QBs that need reps and experience.

Green Bay fans can be glad you are not calling the shots.

They aren't happy with TT so I will take that as a compelment.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

which group of people is behaving more stubbornly?

a) a majority of posters in this thread

b) Favre and TT

Discuss.

 

[Phurfur]

which group of people is behaving more stubbornly?a) a majority of posters in this threadb) Favre and TTDiscuss.

All of the above. The reasons are obvious.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

which group of people is behaving more stubbornly?a) a majority of posters in this threadb) Favre and TTDiscuss.

All of the above. The reasons are obvious.

lol. it's great to see this thread still going strong - just hoped to find more actual info in here.....

 

[ScottyFargo]

lol. it's great to see this thread still going strong - just hoped to find more actual info in here.....

Well, the latest news is that the Vikings did not tamper with Favre to bring him out of retirement, so there's another issue the Packers management have been wrong about. I hope that the League did not rush to finding them innocent too quickly because it would have served as an excellant starting point for the game week 1, as if there wasn't enough already building that up.

 

[RIM]

So, can someone turn on NFL Network and tell me if Favre showed up at Training Camp today? tia

 

[Phurfur]

which group of people is behaving more stubbornly?a) a majority of posters in this threadb) Favre and TTDiscuss.

All of the above. The reasons are obvious.

lol. it's great to see this thread still going strong - just hoped to find more actual info in here.....

Don't worry nobody posting here has a clue. We disagree so much no one can be right.

 

[packersfan]

My apologies if this was posted already but Favre has officially been added to the Packers' 80-man roster.

 

[vitaflo]

So, can someone turn on NFL Network and tell me if Favre showed up at Training Camp today? tia

There is no training camp today in GB, they have the day off. They resume practice tomorrow.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

So, can someone turn on NFL Network and tell me if Favre showed up at Training Camp today? tia

There is no training camp today in GB, they have the day off. They resume practice tomorrow.

Trust me...you'll know when it happens. :X

 

[MSULions]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers. I would have to move them up to my least favorite team in the NFL if they do that.

Farve has brought all this on himself...he's the one who deserves 100% of the blame for this situation. I would applaud the Pack for making this move, and it's precisely what I hope they do. This is all utterly ridiculous, and Farve has plummeted from someone i had deep respect for to a player I despise for his prima donna act.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So, can someone turn on NFL Network and tell me if Favre showed up at Training Camp today? tia

There is no training camp today in GB, they have the day off. They resume practice tomorrow.

Trust me...you'll know when it happens.

I'm expecting an ear-piercing siren tomorrow morning when they start.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers. I would have to move them up to my least favorite team in the NFL if they do that.

Farve has brought all this on himself...he's the one who deserves 100% of the blame for this situation. I would applaud the Pack for making this move, and it's precisely what I hope they do. This is all utterly ridiculous, and Farve has plummeted from someone i had deep respect for to a player I despise for his prima donna act.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers. I would have to move them up to my least favorite team in the NFL if they do that.

Farve has brought all this on himself...he's the one who deserves 100% of the blame for this situation. I would applaud the Pack for making this move, and it's precisely what I hope they do. This is all utterly ridiculous, and Farve has plummeted from someone i had deep respect for to a player I despise for his prima donna act.

Tell us what percentage of fault you think Favre has in this mess?

 

[Flash]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers. I would have to move them up to my least favorite team in the NFL if they do that.

Farve has brought all this on himself...he's the one who deserves 100% of the blame for this situation. I would applaud the Pack for making this move, and it's precisely what I hope they do. This is all utterly ridiculous, and Farve has plummeted from someone i had deep respect for to a player I despise for his prima donna act.

You're about the 75th person in this thread to say that, and no one is arguing that point.I'm sure Favre is pretty broken up that he's lost your respect.

 

[MSULions]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

Is this your idea of a "legend"?http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

Best-Ever Debate

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).

But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?

Recently, ESPN.com's Mike Sando and Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz examined the best-ever debate.

• Sando | Football Outsiders

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

[+] EnlargeMalcolm Emmons/US Presswire

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

A refreshing voice of reason that puts all the hagiography in its right place - the trash.

I can't believe how many people are defending Farve here because he's a "legend." He has act like a spoiled baby and brought every bit of this on himself. He's jerked the Packers around for three seasons now...screw him. He retired. Argument over.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Rotoworld claims: "Favre plans to fly to Green Bay on Sunday and report to camp. The latest rumor is that the Packers plan to let Favre do only individual work in camp and release him the day before the season starts. At that point, he'll be so far behind that he won't be able to help a team like the Vikings early in the season."

That would be the biggest chicken ##### move by the Packers. I would have to move them up to my least favorite team in the NFL if they do that.

Farve has brought all this on himself...he's the one who deserves 100% of the blame for this situation. I would applaud the Pack for making this move, and it's precisely what I hope they do. This is all utterly ridiculous, and Farve has plummeted from someone i had deep respect for to a player I despise for his prima donna act.

Tell us what percentage of fault you think Favre has in this mess?

65%

 

[MSULions]

A lunatic GM that is desecrating a legend (and a hallowed franchise in the process) is a much harder thing for him to handle and far worse for the league, too.

absolutely hilarious....are you trying to get a job as Brett's PR director? You're doing a fine job of completely ignoring his enormous role in all of this. It's really laughable that anyone can totally absolve favre when it's all his fault in the first place.

 

[ScottyFargo]

And by the way he is not a legend

This shows how emotional this is getting for some...

Yup, this is sad.

Actually I hold my "legends" to a little higher standard than some of you do.

Nice save attempt

Is this your idea of a "legend"?http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3281535

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

Best-Ever Debate

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).

But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?

Recently, ESPN.com's Mike Sando and Football Outsiders' Aaron Schatz examined the best-ever debate.

• Sando | Football Outsiders

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

[+] EnlargeMalcolm Emmons/US Presswire

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

A refreshing voice of reason that puts all the hagiography in its right place - the trash.

I can't believe how many people are defending Farve here because he's a "legend." He has act like a spoiled baby and brought every bit of this on himself. He's jerked the Packers around for three seasons now...screw him. He retired. Argument over.

This was quite the breath of fresh air...around the time Favre retired.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ya know, one of the things that really, really sucks about all of this is that Brett Favre was (just a couple of months ago) one of my favorite all time NFL players.I never deluded myself into thinking he was one of the best QB's ever (as many have), but his style and his fire were one-of-a kind, and he was certainly among the best at his position during most of his career.That's one of the things I am most angry about, when I'm completely honest with myself.....the fact that one of my fav's has acted so badly, and treated his team/organization so badly.

I totally agree with this. He was my favorite player of all time. Now, it's almost like Toto pulled the curtain back and we were all allowed to see the prima donna hiding back there.

 

[Novice2]

Brett has a black eye. Thats why they canceled the PC.

 

[Wreckincrew]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted.

Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

 

[sho nuff]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

 

[Eric Stratton]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

Agree...anyone thinking the Packers should just release Favre have no clue about football, sports and life.

 

[Eric Stratton]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

 

[ookook]

"And lo, the Lord doth give them computers but forsooth they could not read".

And I am an atheist.

 

[Wreckincrew]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

Agree...anyone thinking the Packers should just release Favre have no clue about football, sports and life.

Football, sports AND life, huh? Wow, I must be a fu*king idiot....or maybe you just didn't comprehend my point. In case it is the latter I'll type this slower so maybe you can follow along this time.It has been stated in this thread that the Fudgepacker heiarchy did not want Favre, that they have "moved on" to the Rogers era and tried to give him 20 million reasons to stay retired. I stated that they could have easily avoided this whole fiasco by releasing him back whenever they told him they didn't want him. IN MY OPINION it would have been better to avoid the extreme distraction this has become to the team in exchange for the few weeks of training camp Favre would have had with another team and/or the draft pick/player they might or might not get in a trade that might or might not happen. It looks like the only things your suggested course of action has accomplished are:a.) Divide your team into three different sides (i.e. Favre, Rogers & don't care)b.) Torked off half your paint thinner swilling #4 wearing fan basec.) Started a QB controversy that neither side can win short of winning a Super Bowld.) Besmirched the legacy of the franchise savior e.) Made the entire Fudgepacker front office look like bumbling idiots for the way they have botched this.You're right, two weeks of training camp is soooooooo much better then all that.

 

[Eric Stratton]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

Agree...anyone thinking the Packers should just release Favre have no clue about football, sports and life.

Football, sports AND life, huh? Wow, I must be a fu*king idiot....or maybe you just didn't comprehend my point. In case it is the latter I'll type this slower so maybe you can follow along this time.It has been stated in this thread that the Fudgepacker heiarchy did not want Favre, that they have "moved on" to the Rogers era and tried to give him 20 million reasons to stay retired. I stated that they could have easily avoided this whole fiasco by releasing him back whenever they told him they didn't want him. IN MY OPINION it would have been better to avoid the extreme distraction this has become to the team in exchange for the few weeks of training camp Favre would have had with another team and/or the draft pick/player they might or might not get in a trade that might or might not happen. It looks like the only things your suggested course of action has accomplished are:a.) Divide your team into three different sides (i.e. Favre, Rogers & don't care)b.) Torked off half your paint thinner swilling #4 wearing fan basec.) Started a QB controversy that neither side can win short of winning a Super Bowld.) Besmirched the legacy of the franchise savior e.) Made the entire Fudgepacker front office look like bumbling idiots for the way they have botched this.You're right, two weeks of training camp is soooooooo much better then all that.

The fact you continue to use the term "fudgepacker" indicates you don't have the capability to make a decision about what cartoon you will watch in the morning let alone try and grasp this situation.

 

[Wreckincrew]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

Agree...anyone thinking the Packers should just release Favre have no clue about football, sports and life.

Football, sports AND life, huh? Wow, I must be a fu*king idiot....or maybe you just didn't comprehend my point. In case it is the latter I'll type this slower so maybe you can follow along this time.It has been stated in this thread that the Fudgepacker heiarchy did not want Favre, that they have "moved on" to the Rogers era and tried to give him 20 million reasons to stay retired. I stated that they could have easily avoided this whole fiasco by releasing him back whenever they told him they didn't want him. IN MY OPINION it would have been better to avoid the extreme distraction this has become to the team in exchange for the few weeks of training camp Favre would have had with another team and/or the draft pick/player they might or might not get in a trade that might or might not happen. It looks like the only things your suggested course of action has accomplished are:a.) Divide your team into three different sides (i.e. Favre, Rogers & don't care)b.) Torked off half your paint thinner swilling #4 wearing fan basec.) Started a QB controversy that neither side can win short of winning a Super Bowld.) Besmirched the legacy of the franchise savior e.) Made the entire Fudgepacker front office look like bumbling idiots for the way they have botched this.You're right, two weeks of training camp is soooooooo much better then all that.

The fact you continue to use the term "fudgepacker" indicates you don't have the capability to make a decision about what cartoon you will watch in the morning let alone try and grasp this situation.

Great counter-point.I forgot one:f.) Pi**ed off the so called QB of the future after promising him the starting job, then standing behind that decision for all of a week & a half.

 

[MSULions]

It has been stated in this thread that the Fudgepacker heiarchy did not want Favre, that they have "moved on" to the Rogers era and tried to give him 20 million reasons to stay retired. I stated that they could have easily avoided this whole fiasco by releasing him back whenever they told him they didn't want him.

your opinion is entirely specious because you are failing to acknowledge a very glaring fact: They "moved on" BECAUSE HE RETIRED. They of course would have gladly welcomed him to camp had he NOT RETIRED. But he did. That is the fundamental fact and cause of all of this. They shouldn't have just released him because Favre can't make up his ####### mind. It's a business. At the same time, Favre screwed them over and shouldn't be absolved of that....if he still wanted to play he shouldn't have retired in the first place. This has gone on for THREE YEARS now. It's insane, and shows that #4 doesn't care about anybody but himself. What's best for the team is irrelevant to ole Brett....and he seems to believe that he can do what he wants whenever he wants as his whims dictate. Screw him...he's jerked them around for far too long, and I don't blame the Packer front office for any of this, nor do I think they have any obligation to do what's "right" at this point...whatever the hell that even means. Favrah is a petulant little baby who burned his blanky and is blaming every one but himself for it while demanding they buy him a new one.

 

[Tau837]

These Favre threads are approaching Spygate levels...

 

[ookook]

Because indecisiveness is synonomous with selfishness? No.

Nor does a personal decision mean someone only cares about himself.

In the end, the guy has always chosen to play football over not playing.

You, on the other hand, are the Ryan Leaf of posters.

 

[ookook]

Lots of laughs at an MSU fan chiming in to disrespect someone who has massacred the Lions as many times as Favre has.

Good luck with teh whole vitriol and blind hate thing, it will take you far.

 

[ookook]

Oooh, and the Fudgepacker thing hurts real bad. Oooh.

What we need is a junior shark pool for childish posters to name call at each other.

Otherwise, quit pissing in the pool.

 

[Wreckincrew]

It has been stated in this thread that the Fudgepacker heiarchy did not want Favre, that they have "moved on" to the Rogers era and tried to give him 20 million reasons to stay retired.

I stated that they could have easily avoided this whole fiasco by releasing him back whenever they told him they didn't want him.

your opinion is entirely specious because you are failing to acknowledge a very glaring fact: They "moved on" BECAUSE HE RETIRED. They of course would have gladly welcomed him to camp had he NOT RETIRED. But he did. That is the fundamental fact and cause of all of this. They shouldn't have just released him because Favre can't make up his ####### mind. It's a business. At the same time, Favre screwed them over and shouldn't be absolved of that....if he still wanted to play he shouldn't have retired in the first place. This has gone on for THREE YEARS now. It's insane, and shows that #4 doesn't care about anybody but himself. What's best for the team is irrelevant to ole Brett....and he seems to believe that he can do what he wants whenever he wants as his whims dictate. Screw him...he's jerked them around for far too long, and I don't blame the Packer front office for any of this, nor do I think they have any obligation to do what's "right" at this point...whatever the hell that even means. Favrah is a petulant little baby who burned his blanky and is blaming every one but himself for it while demanding they buy him a new one.

I'm not defending #4 in any way, shape or form. I am stating that once they (i.e. the Fudgepacker front office) made the decision to go with Rogers and pronounced him the starter they should have released Favre right then. By not doing so they have caused 100 times more damage to the organization then anything they could have gained by keeping him out of another teams training camp or received in a trade.

 

[ookook]

Actually, should the Packers decide to start Favre, and IF they win division, and then their first playoff game, all of this will pretty much be forgotten.

But those are some serious conditionals.

And I have asked Joe and the boyz to open up the Shark Pool for Juniors for you folks. Thanks. It should be right next to Trash Talk Alley....WHICH IS NOT THE SHARK POOL.

 

[Lord Lucan]

Never mind all this nonsense.

First revised projections out from the FBG intelligentsia since the recent developments.

David Dodds gives Rodgers 2/3 of the yardage, Favre 1/3.

Bob Henry gives nearly all the yardage to Rodgers (and has Brohm as the Packers' 2nd string QB).

Maurile Tremblay has a 55-45 split in Rodgers' favour.

Jason Wood hasn't update his projections since Friday, but seems to be projecting both as if they will play 16 games for GB.

Chris Smith hasn't updated since Thursday, and still has Rogers getting the lion's share with Brohm number 2.

 

[Franknbeans]

Glazer thinks he's gone

 

[Milwaukees_best]

Its a sham. How can they just say - Arodg is the starting QB without holding an open competition? I have lost so much disrespect for the Packers thru this all that I just dont know what to think anymore. How can you push a guy who is arguably the greatest player to ever wear your colors to the curb for an unproven guy?

It all starts at the top - Mark Murphy for letting this happen, Ted Thompson for making this happen, Mike McCarthy for not wanting to put the best team on the field, and Brett Favre for making the wrong decision when pressured(something he does even in games sometimes). The blame trickles down all the way to Brett, but it flows the most at the top.

This is a major disservice to the FANS, and the fact that they hired Ari Fleischer to spin it how they want it just says to me that the Packers have been lying all along in this game. If Favre goes, I want them all to go.

 

[Despyzer]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

A) Because he doesn't just "want to play". He wants to play on a team that has a shot to win - and the only interested team that fits the bill is Minnesota. He can't say "I want to play in Minny" because of all the silly tampering nonsense. So he's choosing his words carefully.B) He wants to play the Pack twice a year so he can ram it up TT's butt double the time

I'm shocked that people really believe Favre is coming back to GB this year. Seems like he's as good as gone, probably to the Vikings.

 

[renesauz]

Its a sham. How can they just say - Arodg is the starting QB without holding an open competition? I have lost so much disrespect for the Packers thru this all that I just dont know what to think anymore. How can you push a guy who is arguably the greatest player to ever wear your colors to the curb for an unproven guy?It all starts at the top - Mark Murphy for letting this happen, Ted Thompson for making this happen, Mike McCarthy for not wanting to put the best team on the field, and Brett Favre for making the wrong decision when pressured(something he does even in games sometimes). The blame trickles down all the way to Brett, but it flows the most at the top. This is a major disservice to the FANS, and the fact that they hired Ari Fleischer to spin it how they want it just says to me that the Packers have been lying all along in this game. If Favre goes, I want them all to go.

Because when they first said "Aaron Rodgers is our QB", Favre was "definitely retired." When they continued to say "Aaron Rodgers is our QB" and held press conferance to that effect, there were just rumors Favre was re-thinking, the draft had occured, and Brett had said "I'm still retired", PUBLICLY.OK...maybe they should have used different wording a week ago...but it's kind of ridiculous to "lose all respect" for the organization for that under the circumstances.And for the second point....I still don't see how you can have a truly open and fair competition when the old guy is a legend with millions of blind adulating, fans SCREAMING like a 16 y.o. girl at a pop concert. The head coach will be castrated publicly for the result no matter who he declares the winner.....UNLESS that winner leads them to the promised land. IE: It has raised the level of pressure on the coach, QB, and team to an intolerable level.

 

[The Kerminator]

Glazer thinks he's gone

In fact, Favre was adamant that he wanted to do what was in the best interest of the locker room and admitted this distraction was not what his teammates needed.

He admitted that his teammates didn't need the distraction? I find that hard to believe. This is the same guy that felt the need to show up at the Packer's family-night scrimmage on Sunday night. There was no need for him to be there. He could have watched the game on television at home. But that wouldn't have gotten him in the spotlight. Favre is addicted to the spotlight. And that is why he can't stay retired.

 

[Sabertooth]

Glazer thinks he's gone

In fact, Favre was adamant that he wanted to do what was in the best interest of the locker room and admitted this distraction was not what his teammates needed.

He admitted that his teammates didn't need the distraction? I find that hard to believe. This is the same guy that felt the need to show up at the Packer's family-night scrimmage on Sunday night. There was no need for him to be there. He could have watched the game on television at home. But that wouldn't have gotten him in the spotlight. Favre is addicted to the spotlight. And that is why he can't stay retired.

That's my take on it as well.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

If TT & the rest of the Fudgepacker brain wizards truly didn't want Favre on the team why didn't they just release him and avoid this whole debacle? Whatever draft pick they might get/would have gotten can't possibly be worth the cheesehead on cheesehead hate that has resulted. Closed circuit to both TT & Favre - From the entire National Football Conference, and the NFC North in particular, I would like to thank you for the tremendous cluster**** this has become. Great job!!!!!

Can people stop this "why didn't they just release him" crap?Sorry Joe...its crap.It would monumentally stupid for them to just have released him and let him go to Minnesota for a full camp for nothing.It would have been the quickest way to watch Thompson and Murphy get fired.And no amount of anything would be worth him going there for free...and have the chance to hoist the Lombardi wearing the purple and yellow and a blonde braid wig with that stupid freakin horn going off.

Agree...anyone thinking the Packers should just release Favre have no clue about football, sports and life.

You bitter Thompson fans are very entertaining.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

A) Because he doesn't just "want to play". He wants to play on a team that has a shot to win - and the only interested team that fits the bill is Minnesota. He can't say "I want to play in Minny" because of all the silly tampering nonsense. So he's choosing his words carefully.B) He wants to play the Pack twice a year so he can ram it up TT's butt double the time

I'm shocked that people really believe Favre is coming back to GB this year. Seems like he's as good as gone, probably to the Vikings.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll have to say it again: Letter B may be a little bit true, but the real answer is Letter A. There's no way any one can seriously argue that if, say the Chiefs, were in the same position as the Vikings, Brett would still be clamoring to go to the Vikings. He'd happily go to the Chiefs. It's just bad luck that the best team for a good, older QB to try to win a final SB before retiring is the Vikings.

 

[H.K.]

A lunatic GM that is desecrating a legend (and a hallowed franchise in the process) is a much harder thing for him to handle and far worse for the league, too.

absolutely hilarious....are you trying to get a job as Brett's PR director? You're doing a fine job of completely ignoring his enormous role in all of this. It's really laughable that anyone can totally absolve favre when it's all his fault in the first place.

The truth on this matter will become more public as time goes on. Favre is only guilty of standing up for himself. Thompson is accountable for this mess, not Favre.

The Packers (specifically Thompson) have done everything they can to publicly make Favre look bad in this process. Sadly, some people are still buying it.

Thompson doesn't want Favre because the Packers will never be his team as long as Brett is there. Ironically, the sooner Thompson gets his wish, the quicker TT will be exposed and gone from the league for good.

How did that tampering charge against the Vikings work out for the Packers? Yet another embarrassing moment for Green Bay as they continue to look petty in their attempts to distract people away from their fiasco of a front office while they try to smear Favre at the same time. Pathetic.

Nice job by Rodgers in the scrimmage, too. Brilliant front office work to miss the SB by a field goal, force the GOAT QB into retirement, then go into the following season without a single QB on the roster that has ever started an NFL game.

Thompson must go.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

A) Because he doesn't just "want to play". He wants to play on a team that has a shot to win - and the only interested team that fits the bill is Minnesota. He can't say "I want to play in Minny" because of all the silly tampering nonsense. So he's choosing his words carefully.B) He wants to play the Pack twice a year so he can ram it up TT's butt double the time

I'm shocked that people really believe Favre is coming back to GB this year. Seems like he's as good as gone, probably to the Vikings.

Have the Vikings ever stated (or hinted) that they were interested in Favre?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

A) Because he doesn't just "want to play". He wants to play on a team that has a shot to win - and the only interested team that fits the bill is Minnesota. He can't say "I want to play in Minny" because of all the silly tampering nonsense. So he's choosing his words carefully.B) He wants to play the Pack twice a year so he can ram it up TT's butt double the time

I'm shocked that people really believe Favre is coming back to GB this year. Seems like he's as good as gone, probably to the Vikings.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll have to say it again: Letter B may be a little bit true, but the real answer is Letter A. There's no way any one can seriously argue that if, say the Chiefs, were in the same position as the Vikings, Brett would still be clamoring to go to the Vikings. He'd happily go to the Chiefs. It's just bad luck that the best team for a good, older QB to try to win a final SB before retiring is the Vikings.

agree 100%

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Glazer thinks he's gone

Favre, however, stood to his long-standing desire to stay within the division.

Why in the world would this one thing be so important to him?

A) Because he doesn't just "want to play". He wants to play on a team that has a shot to win - and the only interested team that fits the bill is Minnesota. He can't say "I want to play in Minny" because of all the silly tampering nonsense. So he's choosing his words carefully.B) He wants to play the Pack twice a year so he can ram it up TT's butt double the time

I'm shocked that people really believe Favre is coming back to GB this year. Seems like he's as good as gone, probably to the Vikings.

Have the Vikings ever stated (or hinted) that they were interested in Favre?

gee, they didn't hold a press conference yet, so they must not be interested.