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Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
Favre's ego is too big to accept a backup role. He will stay retired before going back to the Packers as a backup. If he would be happy being a backup then he would have told the Packers hey I know you have moved on and Rodgers is the starter but I want to come back and be part of the team.like i said, favre holds the cards here. the packers are not going to pay $12 million for the privilege of having that huge distraction all season.Packers- Brett you are now the 3rd string qb who will be inactive every gameFavre-seems to me that favre holds the cards.
favre- "i want to play again"
packers- "sorry, rodgers is our qb now"
favre- "ok, then please release me"
packers- "no"
favre- "ok, then i'll show up and you can pay me $12 million to be the backup"
packers-
I'm coming home Deanna if you want to pay me $12 million to be inactive every game...
The Packers will not release Favre. They will accept him back on the team, but he will be the backup. It will be up to Favre to decide whether he can accept these conditions. I don't know why the Packers are getting killed PR wise over this. It is obvious that all the other teams believe that Favre does not have much to offer their teams either.
It's evident that this source is from the Favre camp, (again) by the use of the words "come up there". So of course it's going to have a spin towards Favre's favor. And once again, every conversation by Favre with the Packers is taken straight to the media by Favre with his spin on it. Can't wait for his press-conference on Wednesday night/Thursday how he tells us that Murphy offered him the Packer's presidency.Not sure how this shows they are desperate. To me it shows that they are willing to have an open dialogue and come up with a reasonable solution to satisfy both parties. The Packers have been seeking a trade for Favre and Favre has refused to speak to any interested parties. Favre will not accept anything other than his outright release, which would just be stupid on the Packer's part.
TT also said that it was Favre who suggested he stay away initially...now the NFL network is reporting the MM flew doMwn to Mississippi today to ask Favre to not show up.
(according to GB Press Gazette) So why is McCarthy saying that they will welcome him back when they are trying to get him stay away? Sorry about the repeat on info...I was responding to something on page 11. Didn't see all the threads about this on page 12 before I posted.They are the ones stalling, and keeping him away as long as possible. He should quit eating their b.s., and show up.
Apologized to Mortenson for what? Correctly claiming that he was citing an unnamed source?And no...not all of the rumors came true.All the rumors became fact. I tried to warn you you were backing the wrong horse, and I am paid back with venom, in spite of the fact that you now, hypocritically, do in fact find the same faults in Favre that we've all been talking about for months, if not years.See...denial on your part.Maybe you can start by providing a link to backup your claim that the Packers are the most inexperienced team in the league for us...Link, Cite, Source, RumorMore Everybody's an offseason older now than they were then.
How many vets have Green Bay picked up since then? How many have they lost?
Any big named vets that saved their seasons last year retire, unretire and then ask for his / her release? Got a Vet QB on the roster who isn't asking for his release?
Have you apologized to Chris Mortenson yet?
I will not comment on "sources" claiming he is going there to ask him not to report. That seems inconsistent with what McCarthy has been saying at this point.Murphy is going there to discuss things for sure (as Ted is sticking around with other contract issues and camp to pay attention to.
Me against the world?Tell that to the executive committee who controls his job and has supported him this entire time.Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
Funny...as he has echoed what I said about releasing or trading him to the Vikings.
This is a joke right? Thompson's job is incredibly safe with the Packers. The guy just signed an extension last year. 95% of what he has done has worked incredibly well. He took over an old 4-12 team 3 years ago and turned them into the youngest team in the league that went 13-3 and to the NFC Championship game. They were a Favre interception away from going to the Super Bowl. He brought in the players, he hired the coach, etc. What people outside of the state don't realize is that 75% of the fans don't want Favre. They are done with it. It is a vocal minority who are out with the Bring Brett back signs. That and the ridiculous ESPN programming that just keeps beating this into the ground. Harlan, Murphy, and McCarthy are all with Ted. To think Thompson is going to lose his job over this, it pretty much admitting you have been sucked into the ESPN hype machine and have no capacity to think for yourself. Rodgers is a good player, is he Favre good, who knows. I would like to point out that Favre was not very good his first 2-3 years. Fans were calling for him to be bench as he strung together consecutive 20 int's seasons. You have to give these guys time. In addition to Rodgers, Thompson did what he does and drafted Brohm at a great value spot to possibly take over in a few years if Rodgers isn't the guy. Turn off the TV and start to use rational and logical thought.Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
What he said.This is a joke right? Thompson's job is incredibly safe with the Packers. The guy just signed an extension last year. 95% of what he has done has worked incredibly well. He took over an old 4-12 team 3 years ago and turned them into the youngest team in the league that went 13-3 and to the NFC Championship game. They were a Favre interception away from going to the Super Bowl. He brought in the players, he hired the coach, etc. What people outside of the state don't realize is that 75% of the fans don't want Favre. They are done with it. It is a vocal minority who are out with the Bring Brett back signs. That and the ridiculous ESPN programming that just keeps beating this into the ground. Harlan, Murphy, and McCarthy are all with Ted. To think Thompson is going to lose his job over this, it pretty much admitting you have been sucked into the ESPN hype machine and have no capacity to think for yourself. Rodgers is a good player, is he Favre good, who knows. I would like to point out that Favre was not very good his first 2-3 years. Fans were calling for him to be bench as he strung together consecutive 20 int's seasons. You have to give these guys time. In addition to Rodgers, Thompson did what he does and drafted Brohm at a great value spot to possibly take over in a few years if Rodgers isn't the guy. Turn off the TV and start to use rational and logical thought.Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
Are you talking about Schefter or Eisen?
Rational and logical thought like not wanting back the guy who lead your team to a 13-3 record last year, has the most passing yards in NFL history, the most wins in NFL history, the most attempts, completions, and TD's in NFL history. All the Packers want to do is have Favre retire a Packer so they can make buttloads more money off selling his jersey's, etc. Favre has done more for the Green Bay Packers and Wisconsin than any other player in the history of the franchise. How much money do you think Favre brought in to Green Bay over the years...? Hundreds of Millions of dollars I suspect.As for 75% of the Packer fans wanting to move on, I don't believe it. I know many, many longtime Packer fans who can't believe this situation, and are pissed off with what is going on. IMO the large majority of the 75% you speak off probably weren't around to see the years before Favre brought the Packers to the top. I can see fans wanting this situation to end, but I just don't see how anyone could not want Favre to play for their team....and if he isn't good enough to play for the Packers then what are they worried about in giving him his release...?
I just returned from a two week stay in Wisconsin and that is what I saw from the Packer Fans.This is a joke right? Thompson's job is incredibly safe with the Packers. The guy just signed an extension last year. 95% of what he has done has worked incredibly well. He took over an old 4-12 team 3 years ago and turned them into the youngest team in the league that went 13-3 and to the NFC Championship game. They were a Favre interception away from going to the Super Bowl. He brought in the players, he hired the coach, etc. What people outside of the state don't realize is that 75% of the fans don't want Favre. They are done with it. It is a vocal minority who are out with the Bring Brett back signs. That and the ridiculous ESPN programming that just keeps beating this into the ground. Harlan, Murphy, and McCarthy are all with Ted. To think Thompson is going to lose his job over this, it pretty much admitting you have been sucked into the ESPN hype machine and have no capacity to think for yourself. Rodgers is a good player, is he Favre good, who knows. I would like to point out that Favre was not very good his first 2-3 years. Fans were calling for him to be bench as he strung together consecutive 20 int's seasons. You have to give these guys time. In addition to Rodgers, Thompson did what he does and drafted Brohm at a great value spot to possibly take over in a few years if Rodgers isn't the guy. Turn off the TV and start to use rational and logical thought.Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
Yeah, I loved that.Eisen is just arguing to argue - there is no rational reason the Pack would trade him to Minny. Eisen was just talking to hear himself talk - 'it they traded 5 first round picks'....
Because TT has been playing fast and loose with the facts the whole time. Saying one thing and doing another. No, I didn't say backup...I said he would have no place on the team and could not compete for the starting job. Give me a break. They were never welcoming him and have tried to force him to stay retired.TT also said that it was Favre who suggested he stay away initially...now the NFL network is reporting the MM flew doMwn to Mississippi today to ask Favre to not show up.(according to GB Press Gazette) So why is McCarthy saying that they will welcome him back when they are trying to get him stay away? Sorry about the repeat on info...I was responding to something on page 11. Didn't see all the threads about this on page 12 before I posted.
Interesting. Long time fan with friends and family in the area and I've heard there is slightly more support for than against. I think this is just like anything else it all depends on who you talk to. I just have not heard there is a majority one way or the other.I just returned from a two week stay in Wisconsin and that is what I saw from the Packer Fans.This is a joke right? Thompson's job is incredibly safe with the Packers. The guy just signed an extension last year. 95% of what he has done has worked incredibly well. He took over an old 4-12 team 3 years ago and turned them into the youngest team in the league that went 13-3 and to the NFC Championship game. They were a Favre interception away from going to the Super Bowl. He brought in the players, he hired the coach, etc. What people outside of the state don't realize is that 75% of the fans don't want Favre. They are done with it. It is a vocal minority who are out with the Bring Brett back signs. That and the ridiculous ESPN programming that just keeps beating this into the ground. Harlan, Murphy, and McCarthy are all with Ted. To think Thompson is going to lose his job over this, it pretty much admitting you have been sucked into the ESPN hype machine and have no capacity to think for yourself. Rodgers is a good player, is he Favre good, who knows. I would like to point out that Favre was not very good his first 2-3 years. Fans were calling for him to be bench as he strung together consecutive 20 int's seasons. You have to give these guys time. In addition to Rodgers, Thompson did what he does and drafted Brohm at a great value spot to possibly take over in a few years if Rodgers isn't the guy. Turn off the TV and start to use rational and logical thought.Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
Schefter was the one that came up with 5 1st rounders not Eisen...carry on.Yeah, I loved that.Eisen is just arguing to argue - there is no rational reason the Pack would trade him to Minny. Eisen was just talking to hear himself talk - 'it they traded 5 first round picks'....
Shefter's reaction was :instantclassic: though.
FINE, I got that wrong. Hang me why don't you.Eisen is still crazy - Minny will not acquire Favre in a trade regardless of how interesting an argument it provokes.Schefter was the one that came up with 5 1st rounders not Eisen...carry on.Yeah, I loved that.Eisen is just arguing to argue - there is no rational reason the Pack would trade him to Minny. Eisen was just talking to hear himself talk - 'it they traded 5 first round picks'....
Shefter's reaction was :instantclassic: though.
Shefter...that releasing or trading him to Minny is what would get Thompson fired.
From a quick poll of my family...only my brother and I are even open to having him back.And were are the younger ones but did also live through the late 70s and the 80s while they sucked.My mother who is one of Favre's biggest fans and was also at the Ice Bowl wishes he would just go away.
That's brilliant. My mom said the exact same thing last night when I spoke to her on the phone. (She probably sat next to your mother at the Ice Bowl
)
I think some of you are taking alot of what Favre has said as Gospel.While I think Thompson has been coy...I think the truth is still in between what he says and what Favre says.Because TT has been playing fast and loose with the facts the whole time. Saying one thing and doing another. No, I didn't say backup...I said he would have no place on the team and could not compete for the starting job. Give me a break. They were never welcoming him and have tried to force him to stay retired.TT also said that it was Favre who suggested he stay away initially...now the NFL network is reporting the MM flew doMwn to Mississippi today to ask Favre to not show up.
Deana and his agent are right: They are playing him.
BTW, what do you think the odds are the Rodgers EVER puts up numbers like Favre did last year. I will take it to Vegas.
That was pretty bad.The whining about Moss is what gets me...especially that they did not sign him this year.
he was talking about before he signed with the Patriots last year
Uhm. The Packers have tried to get Favre to stay retired since this started. Now, ever since he's threatened to come to camp, they haven't welcomed him there. At all. They have asked him for more time. If that isn't desperation, and a sure sign that they don't really want him to be there, then I don't know what they are waiting for. If it's no big deal then why fly Murphy to Mississippi? Favre's gotta come up to Green Bay anyway, right?
He also mentioned this year. Hence my "especially that they did not sign him this year" line.he was talking about before he signed with the Patriots last year
How much more experienced have they become since then? One game more experienced. They are a few months older, and without their Vet QB. Add this to the pile of points you failed to defend at all.Apologized to Mortenson for what? Correctly claiming that he was citing an unnamed source?And no...not all of the rumors came true.All the rumors became fact. I tried to warn you you were backing the wrong horse, and I am paid back with venom, in spite of the fact that you now, hypocritically, do in fact find the same faults in Favre that we've all been talking about for months, if not years.See...denial on your part.Maybe you can start by providing a link to backup your claim that the Packers are the most inexperienced team in the league for us...Link, Cite, Source, RumorMore Everybody's an offseason older now than they were then.
How many vets have Green Bay picked up since then? How many have they lost?
Any big named vets that saved their seasons last year retire, unretire and then ask for his / her release? Got a Vet QB on the roster who isn't asking for his release?
Have you apologized to Chris Mortenson yet?
As for your links...thank you for showing 2 links saying they "WERE" inexperienced. Neither saying they ARE the MOST inexperienced team in the league.
You have failed once again.
You're wrong man. I live in the state, and I am a huge football fan and Packer fan. I am sitting on a football site right now discussing this. The fact is, is people are fed up. Most everyone moved on when he retired and they are sick of the diva, will he or won't he attitude. His persona has changed from the tough "go to work eveyday with the lunch pail" guy to a "look at me, make me feel good, I am bigger than the team" attitude. Fans aren't focused on the past and the what ifs. People are now worried this is going to impact the current season and future seasons to come. The future is now in alot of people's mind and they don't really justify jeopardizing the next 5 seasons for one more "maybe" season with Favre. The last image alot of people have of Favre is him looking incredibly miserable vs. the Giants and playing terrible. Yes, it was cold, but he was throughly outplayed by Manning.
The first source was Brett Favre himself, as it's been for most of the rumors you've failed to deny and deflect. Keeping your head in the sand doesn't bother me any, it's just not the most defensible position to take.
You are again taking only what Favre has said about them asking him not to be there. Again...the other side to that is that Thompson states that it was Favre's idea to hold off.And right now, its still in Goodell's hand until he approves the reinstatement.
The point, that I have defended and you have failed to prove...is that your little articles don't claim they were the least experienced team in the league.Thanks for playing.How much more experienced have they become since then? One game more experienced. They are a few months older, and without their Vet QB. Add this to the pile of points you failed to defend at all.Apologized to Mortenson for what? Correctly claiming that he was citing an unnamed source?And no...not all of the rumors came true.All the rumors became fact. I tried to warn you you were backing the wrong horse, and I am paid back with venom, in spite of the fact that you now, hypocritically, do in fact find the same faults in Favre that we've all been talking about for months, if not years.See...denial on your part.Maybe you can start by providing a link to backup your claim that the Packers are the most inexperienced team in the league for us...Link, Cite, Source, RumorMore Everybody's an offseason older now than they were then.
How many vets have Green Bay picked up since then? How many have they lost?
Any big named vets that saved their seasons last year retire, unretire and then ask for his / her release? Got a Vet QB on the roster who isn't asking for his release?
Have you apologized to Chris Mortenson yet?
As for your links...thank you for showing 2 links saying they "WERE" inexperienced. Neither saying they ARE the MOST inexperienced team in the league.
You have failed once again.
You have a link saying Favre has stated that is why Murphy is coming? I won't hold my breath.Its not keeping my head in the sand...its not assuming things based on the he said this...another group is saying that. You do so and only chose what fits with your opinions (based mostly on what looks worst for the Packers).
Yeah, you can say that. Meanwhile, you are refusing to look at facts because it would mean taking a good hard look at how your franchise is handling this, and no sane person could take the position that you have. Think logically. What doesn't make sense about what Favre's camp has leaked? Murphy is coming to them. Favre is being stalled out of camp. The proof lies with Favre, as it did before when he claimed TT was scared for his job the first time he said he was coming to camp.Now he's called their bluff, and they are pulling out all the stops. Think.
Ignorance knows no bounds. Do teams often can the reigning Executive of the Year?Sho Nuff, it's you against the world man, not even you and your great debating skills can save Ted Thompsons job with the Packers. The guy is toast.
You rarely present facts.Just posting what Favre has said about something is not "facts".I have looked at the facts...I have done my best to stick with the facts rather than just rumor and speculation. For some reason, that bothers you so much.No sane person? So I guess what looks to be a majority of the Packers fans, plus their executive committee are sane? Because they echo my thoughts on how the franchise is handling this.The only thing stating that Favre is being stalled out of camp is Favre...for some reason, you now take every word of his as gospel.When he claimed TT was scared for his job...that is not a fact either...again, that is Favre's words. TT seemed to think that conversation went differently and that he feared for his job if he released Favre.As for all this called their bluff line...IMO...they are not bluffing. They know they have a little bit of a better hand than Favre and are willing to play it to the end.
What does Favre gain by being untruthful about the situation? If Favre was welcome with open arms he would be in Green Bay already. The Packers don't want Favre to play in Green Bay or anywhere else. I have been saying for 3 years that I thought Favre should retire. But if he wants to play.....he should play.....the thing that I don't get most of all is.....Favre will give the Pack the best chance to win....and it's not close
They are the most inexperienced team in the league.
This is the same TT who recanted on which position Favre would be offered when they welcomed him back with open arms to camp, yes? Backup to unsure to backup?
What does he have to gain? Any bit of public opinion on it?Why else is Favre going to the media airing out conversations he had with Thompson? Why else is he out there basically calling Thompson a liar? He obviously has something to gain from taking things to the media.
Favre and Thompson don't like each other. Period. It's pretty clear Favre does not want to play for Green Bay. Period. If you read this situation any other way, you're missing the venom he's spewing at the front office.Yes, he should play if he wants to. The problem is he isn't donig this just because he wants to play. He's doing it because he wants to play, but just not for Green Bay.
