Favre comments to lions... (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Here it is...just would love to see a real gauge of how people feel about this so we can put it to bed.

 

[JWGoldLabel]

Of course it would not be right to do that. Has it been proven that he did? I am a Packers fan, and my opinion of Brett is already lowered due to the drama that led to the trade. If it is a certainty that he did this, then I will be about done with him going forward. I will never forget the years he had with the Pack, though.

 

[sho nuff]

Of course it would not be right to do that. Has it been proven that he did? I am a Packers fan, and my opinion of Brett is already lowered due to the drama that led to the trade. If it is a certainty that he did this, then I will be about done with him going forward. I will never forget the years he had with the Pack, though.

He basically admitted talking to Millen about the Packers.IMO...that is all it takes..it does not matter that he does not know the true gameplans...and whatever...but that he would even comment on it when asked by another team about the Packers just looks terrible.

 

[JWGoldLabel]

If he admitted to it, then he truly has bitter woman syndrome. Very sad.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

It is so easy to change the impression of what happened depending on changing even a single word in the report that I think this is just a nonstory. Reporters are out to get Favre. We have no idea what was said. It is not likely to have been sensitive material. Brett Favre is the greatest QB to ever have played the game. He had the Ghost of Irv Game. He won a superbowl. He is the ironman. He has conducted himself with class for so long. Give the man the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Interseptopus]

Starting a thread about it is hardly putting it to bed.

He did nothing wrong.

Millen called HIM and he returned the call and just talked about LAST YEAR'S game plan for DET... the team is very different this year (see QB position) and I'm sur eit was a completely different game plan. It was the Lions, they are awful and will be 0-16.

Who cares.

Non-story

Plus you can gauge peoples' responses in the other thread about this. No need to start your own so you can see your name as the OP...

 

[sho nuff]

Starting a thread about it is hardly putting it to bed.He did nothing wrong. Millen called HIM and he returned the call and just talked about LAST YEAR'S game plan for DET... the team is very different this year (see QB position) and I'm sur eit was a completely different game plan. It was the Lions, they are awful and will be 0-16. Who cares.Non-storyPlus you can gauge peoples' responses in the other thread about this. No need to start your own so you can see your name as the OP...

I seriously don't understand how anyone thinks its a non-story for a guy of Favre's stature to be discussing even last year's game plan with another team.How people don't think that makes Favre look petty.How anyone can think that it was ok to do over just saying he could not comment.Just so I can see my name as the OP?Yeah...thats why I did it.

 

[sho nuff]

It is so easy to change the impression of what happened depending on changing even a single word in the report that I think this is just a nonstory. Reporters are out to get Favre. We have no idea what was said. It is not likely to have been sensitive material. Brett Favre is the greatest QB to ever have played the game. He had the Ghost of Irv Game. He won a superbowl. He is the ironman. He has conducted himself with class for so long. Give the man the benefit of the doubt.

I did give it to him by only saying it looks bad to even discuss his former team.I did not go all "classless" and other such comments people ahve made about him.Its not about changing every word. That he even discussed anything about the Packers with a team he is not playing for is what makes it look bad.And he is not the greatest to ever play the game (and I said that while he was still with GB). In the top 5 IMO...but no way in front of Montana and if Manning and Brady win a few more they will pass him too.

 

[Interseptopus]

Starting a thread about it is hardly putting it to bed.

He did nothing wrong.

Millen called HIM and he returned the call and just talked about LAST YEAR'S game plan for DET... the team is very different this year (see QB position) and I'm sur eit was a completely different game plan. It was the Lions, they are awful and will be 0-16.

Who cares.

Non-story

Plus you can gauge peoples' responses in the other thread about this. No need to start your own so you can see your name as the OP...

I seriously don't understand how anyone thinks its a non-story for a guy of Favre's stature to be discussing even last year's game plan with another team.How people don't think that makes Favre look petty.

How anyone can think that it was ok to do over just saying he could not comment.

Just so I can see my name as the OP?

Yeah...thats why I did it.

Then why even start a poll? WHy even start a new thread on this? If your opinion, and no other, is correct then why even bother seeing what other people think.If you have absolutely no idea how anyone could vote for "no story" then why even put it as an option?

Instead why not just create a thread where you speak your opinion. No need to criticize others for voting against what you did in your poll... don't give me an option the vote if you don't want to hear what I have to say.

He didn't give them any gameplan for the GB/DET game, so what's the big deal? While yes it wasn't 100% classy to talk any GB with an enemy, it makes no sense to blow it out of proportion. He didn't do anything to hurt GB, just hurt his stature with the team.

For future postings on this topic, there is a thread already created days ago:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=433808

I see you've posted more than your fair share in that thread, so perhaps you can "gauge what people think" in that thread from now on?

 

[ScottyFargo]

Here it is...just would love to see a real gauge of how people feel about this so we can put it to bed.

...They're just rumors.

 

[sho nuff]

Starting a thread about it is hardly putting it to bed.

He did nothing wrong.

Millen called HIM and he returned the call and just talked about LAST YEAR'S game plan for DET... the team is very different this year (see QB position) and I'm sur eit was a completely different game plan. It was the Lions, they are awful and will be 0-16.

Who cares.

Non-story

Plus you can gauge peoples' responses in the other thread about this. No need to start your own so you can see your name as the OP...

I seriously don't understand how anyone thinks its a non-story for a guy of Favre's stature to be discussing even last year's game plan with another team.How people don't think that makes Favre look petty.

How anyone can think that it was ok to do over just saying he could not comment.

Just so I can see my name as the OP?

Yeah...thats why I did it.

Then why even start a poll? WHy even start a new thread on this? If your opinion, and no other, is correct then why even bother seeing what other people think.If you have absolutely no idea how anyone could vote for "no story" then why even put it as an option?

Instead why not just create a thread where you speak your opinion. No need to criticize others for voting against what you did in your poll... don't give me an option the vote if you don't want to hear what I have to say.

He didn't give them any gameplan for the GB/DET game, so what's the big deal? While yes it wasn't 100% classy to talk any GB with an enemy, it makes no sense to blow it out of proportion. He didn't do anything to hurt GB, just hurt his stature with the team.

For future postings on this topic, there is a thread already created days ago:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=433808

I see you've posted more than your fair share in that thread, so perhaps you can "gauge what people think" in that thread from now on?

Started a poll to really gauge people's thoughts...and to laugh at a few who act as if I am the only one with the opinion that it looks bad of him.Its not that nobody else is correct. Its opinion...everyone is entitled to have one. I am just stating I don't understand it.

Of course he did not give them any gameplan. I never stated he did.

Your line of, it does not look classy is all I am saying. So I take it you voted for the 2nd option? I have over and over stated it did not help Detroit and that it was not from a standpoint of him doing anything other than looking bad for even commenting.

 

[sho nuff]

Here it is...just would love to see a real gauge of how people feel about this so we can put it to bed.

...They're just rumors.

Or total BS right?Im sure this time when he texted that you believed him huh?And no, not just rumors right now. He admitted talking to them. Was vague and avoided saying about what..only to deflect saying its like a guy giving info to his current team about a former team. Which is BS.But thanks for bringing up an old issue...glad you could add to the discussion.

 

[Reaper]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

 

[sho nuff]

FLAWED POLL....Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS".... Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

 

[bcr8f]

Is it even true? Judging by the results of that game it certainly didn't seem they knew what play was going to be run.

 

[mozzy84]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

 

[Road Warriors]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

There is a big difference between ex-players and current players, IMO. Imagine if this was MINN calling, rather than a hapless DET squad. Bigger issue? Seems like its over the boundary to me.The fact that DET could have a copy of the playbook and sit in the weekly meetings and still not take care of business shouldn't change the fact that this is over the line.

 

[sho nuff]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

Who does Schlereth currently play for?How long ago did he play?

As I said...phone calls "like this" don't happen every week.

And again...my comparison...does anyone think if Jerry Jones called up Michael Strahan about a game with the Giants...that it would be just fine if Strahan gave him any info at all?

Im not a fan of either team...and would think it would look bad if Strahan gave up any info.

 

[mozzy84]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

Who does Schlereth currently play for?How long ago did he play?

As I said...phone calls "like this" don't happen every week.

And again...my comparison...does anyone think if Jerry Jones called up Michael Strahan about a game with the Giants...that it would be just fine if Strahan gave him any info at all?

Im not a fan of either team...and would think it would look bad if Strahan gave up any info.

well the ex nfl players working on espn say different, but like always sho knows all.

 

[VTjkru]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

 

[sho nuff]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

Who does Schlereth currently play for?How long ago did he play?

As I said...phone calls "like this" don't happen every week.

And again...my comparison...does anyone think if Jerry Jones called up Michael Strahan about a game with the Giants...that it would be just fine if Strahan gave him any info at all?

Im not a fan of either team...and would think it would look bad if Strahan gave up any info.

well the ex nfl players working on espn say different, but like always sho knows all.

Ex NFL is the key word.They are not currently in the league giving up info of a team they played for just last year...to a team they don't currently play for.

Ive watched ESPN...and none of them said they did what Favre did or that it was normal to do it that way.

 

[Reaper]

FLAWED POLL....Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS".... Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

It certainly does happen....And the Poll is still flawed - Most people who think it's not an issue won't even read this...The only reason I'm here is cuz I think it's SOOOOOOO much not an issue and RIDICULOUS that I was curious to see who the hell cared about this garbage.I'm more interested in how a 30 minute call like this could get "leaked" and the intention of that person.

 

[roadkill1292]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

 

[sho nuff]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

Golic confirmed that you gave info to the team you were playing. Not to another team from what I have heard.I have no issue with guys like Calvin Pace giving the Jets info about the Cardinals.Just like I have no problem with Brett giving the Jets info on the Packers if they were to play.The appearance of talking to a division rival of your former team, while you play for a completely different team is what looks bad.And it appears the majority of people agree with me as do many NFL and ex-NFL players.

 

[roadkill1292]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

Golic confirmed that you gave info to the team you were playing. Not to another team from what I have heard.I have no issue with guys like Calvin Pace giving the Jets info about the Cardinals.Just like I have no problem with Brett giving the Jets info on the Packers if they were to play.The appearance of talking to a division rival of your former team, while you play for a completely different team is what looks bad.And it appears the majority of people agree with me as do many NFL and ex-NFL players.

I'm very comfortable being in the minority opinion.

 

[Reaper]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

Golic confirmed that you gave info to the team you were playing. Not to another team from what I have heard.I have no issue with guys like Calvin Pace giving the Jets info about the Cardinals.

Just like I have no problem with Brett giving the Jets info on the Packers if they were to play.

The appearance of talking to a division rival of your former team, while you play for a completely different team is what looks bad.

And it appears the majority of people agree with me as do many NFL and ex-NFL players.

"Appears" so.... YOU WIN.

Completely ridiculous poll - can't you see the Great Flaw of this poll you set up to prove your own mission here?

Anyway.. ENJOY...

 

[Phurfur]

I think what makes Favre look bad in this whole situation is that he admitted to being friends of Matt Millen.

 

[sho nuff]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

Golic confirmed that you gave info to the team you were playing. Not to another team from what I have heard.I have no issue with guys like Calvin Pace giving the Jets info about the Cardinals.

Just like I have no problem with Brett giving the Jets info on the Packers if they were to play.

The appearance of talking to a division rival of your former team, while you play for a completely different team is what looks bad.

And it appears the majority of people agree with me as do many NFL and ex-NFL players.

"Appears" so.... YOU WIN.

Completely ridiculous poll - can't you see the Great Flaw of this poll you set up to prove your own mission here?

Anyway.. ENJOY...

Just because you claim those that don't think much of it will not read it...does not make it so.You care so little about it...you keep posting.

Thanks for the irony.

 

[sho nuff]

I think what makes Favre look bad in this whole situation is that he admitted to being friends of Matt Millen.

Good point.

 

[Reaper]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

Golic confirmed that you gave info to the team you were playing. Not to another team from what I have heard.I have no issue with guys like Calvin Pace giving the Jets info about the Cardinals.

Just like I have no problem with Brett giving the Jets info on the Packers if they were to play.

The appearance of talking to a division rival of your former team, while you play for a completely different team is what looks bad.

And it appears the majority of people agree with me as do many NFL and ex-NFL players.

"Appears" so.... YOU WIN.

Completely ridiculous poll - can't you see the Great Flaw of this poll you set up to prove your own mission here?

Anyway.. ENJOY...

Just because you claim those that don't think much of it will not read it...does not make it so.You care so little about it...you keep posting.

Thanks for the irony.

I came in here waving a HUGE freaking Flag of Irony...

Thanks for finally getting it.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think it does make Favre look bad. Is he going to show even a shred of loyalty to his former team? Sure, he has the right to feel slighted and hate Thompson and all that. But those are still his teammates and his fans. He has no relationship with the Lions. Why tell them anything? Why even have a conversation?

I expect him to tell the Jets everything he can to help them beat the Packers in a hypothetical matchup. But this is totally different. I thought Favre's reputation in Wisconsin was as strong as could be. He seems intent on destroying it.

Just the idea that he would try to sabotage Rodgers like that in an early matchup as a starter speaks poorly of him.

 

[FFdork]

I voted for it makes Favre look bad, although the wording of the choices is not how I would put it. I don't think it was wrong as in it's not against the rules, but it does seem petty.

As I argued in the other thread, I do think way to much is being made of this because it's Favre. I still maintain that lots players and coaches call their friends around the league that used to play for an upcoming opponent to try to get a bits of info. In this case they were allegedly talking about a hunting trip and then talked some shop. Not very bright on Favre's part or considerate of his friends that are still Packers, but it's not exactly Watergate or even Spy-gate 2.

It's a minor story if it didn't involve Favre.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

LOL at Sho for actually starting a poll about this.

Favre's call to Lions just much ado about nothingBob Glauber

October 23, 2008

Former Giants quarterback Phil Simms is amused by all the fuss about Brett Favre's telephone conversation with Matt Millen a few weeks ago.

As it turns out, Favre did have a little chat with the former Lions president about Favre's former team, which was about to play Detroit in a Week 2 game. Favre acknowledged yesterday that he knew Millen, a longtime friend, would "fish me for fair information, just ask me how we attacked them last year." And yes, Favre said he did discuss some tactical issues.

But if you ask Simms, the Favre-Millen conversation, which may or may not have been patched into Lions head coach Rod Marinelli and defensive coordinator Joe Barry, amounted to . . . well . . . not much at all.

"No matter what he told them," Simms said, "I can't imagine that it really helped, because everything changes so much in the NFL. When I played, we had guys who had spent five years with a team that we were getting ready to play, and they just came from there. You know how much they gave us that really helped us? Basically, nothing."

Glauber's NFL Blog Not that it isn't interesting and intriguing that Favre would have a conversation with the opponent of his former team, this just weeks after he'd finalized a bitter divorce with the Packers. Green Bay fans have a right to question whether Favre should have been engaged in such a discussion about a team he'd starred with during a glorious 16-year career and earned millions in that span. And perhaps millions more in a post-career endorsement deal.

But Favre himself doesn't second-guess his motives, nor does he apologize for the conversation.

"I can assure you, it wasn't anything," he said. "It would almost be embarrassing to say if I gave more, it was the wrong information, because I think they beat Detroit rather soundly."

Yes, they did. Green Bay thumped the Lions, 48-25, and Millen didn't last much longer in his ill-fated stint as president and general manager. Figures. Even some insight from the former Packers quarterback couldn't help his sorry Lions out of the mess they've been in since Millen took over the team in 2001.

But some Packers' players openly objected to Favre talking to Millen, on the grounds that it was inappropriate to share information because of Favre's longtime association with Green Bay. News flash: Players talk all the time among one another, and often to other coaches and executives. In fact, the NFL has no ban on such conversations, and it goes on constantly, mostly to no avail. It's not uncommon for teams to sign players and pump them for information when they're about to face their former team, and then release them after the game is over.

"I don't think sharing information is anything uncommon," Jets coach Eric Mangini said. "The gain that you get from that is pretty small."

But the public relations fallout can be huge - as Favre is now finding out. He looked hurt and angry that there were questions about his integrity, and he said as much in a brief conversation after his news conference.

"My teammates know me," he said. "When you start questioning that relationship, that bothers me. They know I'm a good teammate."

Cornerback Charles Woodson was the most strident voice in the Packers' locker room regarding Jay Glazer's FoxSports report on Sunday that Favre had spoken to Millen to discuss strategy.

"He contacted them? I don't respect that," Woodson said after the Packers' victory over Indianapolis Sunday. "If they call him and he gives them information, that's one thing. But to seek a team out and to feel like you're trying to sabotage this team, I don't respect that. I know he's been the greatest player around here for a long time, but there's no honor in that."

In the end, it was Millen who called Favre, so that should go a long way toward assuaging the anger of Woodson and others who may have felt the same way. Especially Packers fans.

"You know, I wish those guys well in Green Bay," Favre said. "I have a lot of friends, not only as far as teammates are concerned, but coaches and just people in general there. It's unfortunate the way some of the things went down this offseason. But no hard feelings. It's a business."

And so we move on from this latest episode of As Brett Favre's World Turns. A very entertaining show indeed, even if it has turned into a tempest in a teapot. But thank you for coming.

Now it's time for Favre and the rest of us to get back to the business at hand. There's a football game on Sunday.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

THE FAVRE SCANDAL THAT ISN'T

Passing information over the phone? The NFL can do much worse.

by Chris Sprow

Lost amidst all the insinuations about what Brett Favre may or may not have told the Detroit Lions, who reported it first and how Favre could break such an NFL code were two pesky details: 1) what code? 2) it happens all the time.

In fact, it's really a lot worse.

Former NFL player Alan Grant writes for us. Just a couple months ago, in his column, he discussed a quiet but common reality of the waiver wire and the way GMs and coaches are constantly stockpiling information.

Wrote Grant:

My best friend on the Colts was a guy named Stacy Simmons. Midway through our second training camp, he was released. Like most everyone else with more than a day in the NFL, I knew it was a business. Still, this was the first time anyone I knew had seen that business end of things. A couple of days later, when the Patriots claimed and signed him, I felt better. But then, right before the season was set to start, the Pats cut him loose. It didn't occur to me at the time: our opening day opponent was New England. They had signed my good friend Stacy just to get some info on his old team. He was a tool, a cheap manual for a complex machine you would use only once. Once his information had been extracted, his job was done.

At the time I thought such moves were rare. They're not.

One league GM who wished to remain anonymous tells me more. When it comes the wire, he says, if they really want the player for the long haul—the "long haul" is perhaps a full season—they'll only consider the guy if he's been in a scheme similar to theirs.

The bottom line is this: Say what you want about Matt Millen, but if the man really wanted a good look inside the Green Bay system, he could have added to his team or practice squad any of the dozens of guys the Pack have cut loose in recent years (including this one). It would have cost him pennies.

Anybody who has spent some time covering the NFL can tell you that to concern yourself with whether Favre was passing the goods to the Lions is like freaking out about whether the opposing coach is a semaphor expert and a master of sign stealing. It sounds devious and makes a sexy headline, but conveniently forgets the point that a team has already used cameras to steal information and QBs have had microphones lodged in their helmets for three years.

Sadly, we also conveniently forget that hunting buddies Millen and Favre may have shared top secret information—helping the Lions—for a game the Pack won 48-25 in Week 2, and on the road! This was for a Packers franchise that has traditionally struggled in Detroit. (Redigest that phrase: "Traditionally struggled in Detroit.")

If Favre passed anything to Millen, it was far less valuable than any of the times an informant called Saddam a day before the attack to say, "The Americans are coming. Mobilize the Navy!"

Between a preposterous scoop race and the NFL media alert words "cheater" and "Favre", this story ultimately wasn't one. A phone call?

It's already way worse than that.

 

[sho nuff]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.

and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

 

[Ookie Pringle]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

Keepn on hatin'!

 

[Tau837]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

There is a big difference between ex-players and current players, IMO. Imagine if this was MINN calling, rather than a hapless DET squad. Bigger issue? Seems like its over the boundary to me.The fact that DET could have a copy of the playbook and sit in the weekly meetings and still not take care of business shouldn't change the fact that this is over the line.

Oh, so if Favre had given up this summer when it became clear the Packers didn't want him back and stayed retired, making him an ex-player, you would think it was fine?

 

[ScottyFargo]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

No, it really doesn't look bad for him because it's not like he could have given them ANY useful information that they would not already know from simply facing them. Favre hadn't been allowed inside the team facilities during his short return to Green Bay, and he was no longer the QB for the team. Any discussions they had would have been theoretical strategy and not specific.He no longer played for Green Bay, there's no code that I am aware of that says you can't discuss your former team with anyone. Please, point out anywhere in this scenario that shows Favre being vindictive. The whining of the players and coaches who were fast to say they were "disappointed" in "Favre but didn't have a comment" was certainly one way to make a statement without making a statement, not to mention that they had clearly already decided what had happened before hearing the whole side of the story. I think we can safely say this is a lot of nothing being supported by people with an agenda to make Brett Favre look like an ingrate. Now who would want to make Favre look bad for this?

 

[sho nuff]

FLAWED POLL....

Most people who think this is a non-story won't even read this....

I just popped in to say that but overall - YAWN!!!!!

It's only a story cuz it's Favre - if a Favre hater wants to hate him more, then fine if a Favre fan wants to love him a little less then fine - I don't think anyone else really cares and it's kinda funny that a phone conversation, that happens all over every week, gets "Leaked" as "NEWS"....

Enjoy it though.

I did not hate him before nor do I hate him now.And no, phone calls like this don't happen every week. That is kind of the point.

according to the ex players on nfl live it does actually, teams still call mark schlereth to this day about the broncos he said.

There is a big difference between ex-players and current players, IMO. Imagine if this was MINN calling, rather than a hapless DET squad. Bigger issue? Seems like its over the boundary to me.The fact that DET could have a copy of the playbook and sit in the weekly meetings and still not take care of business shouldn't change the fact that this is over the line.

Oh, so if Favre had given up this summer when it became clear the Packers didn't want him back and stayed retired, making him an ex-player, you would think it was fine?

Probably not right away.Like i have said...if Jerry Jones calls Strahan up...I would hope he would just give Jerry the "no comment" response.

 

[Tau837]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

/thread

 

[ScottyFargo]

Probably not right away.Like i have said...if Jerry Jones calls Strahan up...I would hope he would just give Jerry the "no comment" response.

Millen: Wanna go hunting, Brett?Favre: No comment.

 

[sho nuff]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

No, it really doesn't look bad for him because it's not like he could have given them ANY useful information that they would not already know from simply facing them. Favre hadn't been allowed inside the team facilities during his short return to Green Bay, and he was no longer the QB for the team. Any discussions they had would have been theoretical strategy and not specific.He no longer played for Green Bay, there's no code that I am aware of that says you can't discuss your former team with anyone. Please, point out anywhere in this scenario that shows Favre being vindictive. The whining of the players and coaches who were fast to say they were "disappointed" in "Favre but didn't have a comment" was certainly one way to make a statement without making a statement, not to mention that they had clearly already decided what had happened before hearing the whole side of the story. I think we can safely say this is a lot of nothing being supported by people with an agenda to make Brett Favre look like an ingrate. Now who would want to make Favre look bad for this?

It looks bad for ever discussing anything about the team that might be related to the game....theoretical or not.And it does make it look like he is vindictive.The whining of players and coaches who said "if its true, they are disappointed"? None of them stated they just believed it like that.But keep acting as if it was the team's fault huh?An agenda to make him look like that? Jay Glazer just has that agenda now? Are you serious?I guess Cris Carter wants to make him look bad for this too huh?The conspiracy theories are freakin hilarious.

 

[sho nuff]

Probably not right away.Like i have said...if Jerry Jones calls Strahan up...I would hope he would just give Jerry the "no comment" response.

Millen: Wanna go hunting, Brett?Favre: No comment.

Yes...because I have said anything about the hunting part of the conversation.Way to again just look like you are trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.

 

[ScottyFargo]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

No, it really doesn't look bad for him because it's not like he could have given them ANY useful information that they would not already know from simply facing them. Favre hadn't been allowed inside the team facilities during his short return to Green Bay, and he was no longer the QB for the team. Any discussions they had would have been theoretical strategy and not specific.He no longer played for Green Bay, there's no code that I am aware of that says you can't discuss your former team with anyone. Please, point out anywhere in this scenario that shows Favre being vindictive. The whining of the players and coaches who were fast to say they were "disappointed" in "Favre but didn't have a comment" was certainly one way to make a statement without making a statement, not to mention that they had clearly already decided what had happened before hearing the whole side of the story. I think we can safely say this is a lot of nothing being supported by people with an agenda to make Brett Favre look like an ingrate. Now who would want to make Favre look bad for this?

It looks bad for ever discussing anything about the team that might be related to the game....theoretical or not.And it does make it look like he is vindictive.The whining of players and coaches who said "if its true, they are disappointed"? None of them stated they just believed it like that.But keep acting as if it was the team's fault huh?An agenda to make him look like that? Jay Glazer just has that agenda now? Are you serious?I guess Cris Carter wants to make him look bad for this too huh?The conspiracy theories are freakin hilarious.

What does he still owe the Packers that he can't have a theoretical discussion about what their gameplan MIGHT entail? When casual conversation is outlawed, only outlaws will engage in casual conversation.

 

[sho nuff]

Cris Carter was just on Mike & Mike and said he absolutely would not have done what Favre supposedly did and think it's ridiculous. He shouldnt have even been talking to them. That's if he was still in the league playing for the AFC.

Brian Billick was also on Mike & Mike this morning and said that it goes on every week all over the league. Golic confirmed this from his playing days.

/thread

Yes...because Brian Billick is a model of classiness. Hah.Oh...and never did I hear Golic say it goes on where a current player for one team, gives a different team like that information.It goes on all the time where current guys that have switched teams will give their new team info about the old one. I have never denied that.

 

[sho nuff]

LOL at Ookie thinking it was all just me in the other thread only to see the results of this poll.and then posting 2 articles that do nothing to address the issue that I have discussed...that while the call did nothing to help, it just looks bad for Favre to even discuss the Packers at all...

No, it really doesn't look bad for him because it's not like he could have given them ANY useful information that they would not already know from simply facing them. Favre hadn't been allowed inside the team facilities during his short return to Green Bay, and he was no longer the QB for the team. Any discussions they had would have been theoretical strategy and not specific.He no longer played for Green Bay, there's no code that I am aware of that says you can't discuss your former team with anyone. Please, point out anywhere in this scenario that shows Favre being vindictive. The whining of the players and coaches who were fast to say they were "disappointed" in "Favre but didn't have a comment" was certainly one way to make a statement without making a statement, not to mention that they had clearly already decided what had happened before hearing the whole side of the story. I think we can safely say this is a lot of nothing being supported by people with an agenda to make Brett Favre look like an ingrate. Now who would want to make Favre look bad for this?

It looks bad for ever discussing anything about the team that might be related to the game....theoretical or not.And it does make it look like he is vindictive.The whining of players and coaches who said "if its true, they are disappointed"? None of them stated they just believed it like that.But keep acting as if it was the team's fault huh?An agenda to make him look like that? Jay Glazer just has that agenda now? Are you serious?I guess Cris Carter wants to make him look bad for this too huh?The conspiracy theories are freakin hilarious.

What does he still owe the Packers that he can't have a theoretical discussion about what their gameplan MIGHT entail? When casual conversation is outlawed, only outlaws will engage in casual conversation.

How about respect to his former teammates and fans?Again...I have had no problem in that the info did nothing...just that it looks bad on Favre.Casual conversation? I would not call discussing anything his former team did to just be casual conversation.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Probably not right away.

Like i have said...if Jerry Jones calls Strahan up...I would hope he would just give Jerry the "no comment" response.

Millen: Wanna go hunting, Brett?Favre: No comment.

Yes...because I have said anything about the hunting part of the conversation.Way to again just look like you are trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.

Exactly. You have chosen to ignore the fact that Favre, who did not make the call, was engaged in a conversation unrelated to football while he was driving before the switch in conversation changed to football. There isn't anything to be disappointed in Favre about because he wasn't out in a trenchcoat trying to sell team secrets to anyone who'd listen. People wanted to speak to him because of his football experience. If you only see that I am trying to argue for argues sake you simply aren't looking past the surface, but that is to be expected in a shallow poll thread.

 

[sho nuff]

Probably not right away.

Like i have said...if Jerry Jones calls Strahan up...I would hope he would just give Jerry the "no comment" response.

Millen: Wanna go hunting, Brett?Favre: No comment.

Yes...because I have said anything about the hunting part of the conversation.Way to again just look like you are trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.

Exactly. You have chosen to ignore the fact that Favre, who did not make the call, was engaged in a conversation unrelated to football while he was driving before the switch in conversation changed to football. There isn't anything to be disappointed in Favre about because he wasn't out in a trenchcoat trying to sell team secrets to anyone who'd listen. People wanted to speak to him because of his football experience. If you only see that I am trying to argue for argues sake you simply aren't looking past the surface, but that is to be expected in a shallow poll thread.

I have not ignored it at all.I stated when it came out yesterday that while it makes it look a little better that Favre did not initiate it...it still looks bad that when asked about the Packers that he even discussed it at all.

I have not said things about selling team secrets...did not call him classless or lay hate...just that it looks bad that he even commented.

 

[ScottyFargo]

What does he still owe the Packers that he can't have a theoretical discussion about what their gameplan MIGHT entail? When casual conversation is outlawed, only outlaws will engage in casual conversation.

How about respect to his former teammates and fans?Again...I have had no problem in that the info did nothing...just that it looks bad on Favre.Casual conversation? I would not call discussing anything his former team did to just be casual conversation.

It's a theoretical discussion. How is that disrespectful? If you're disrespected by a former player discussing his former team with anybody, I think you're being a touch too sensitive and defensive, and that definitely showed in the Packer players and Coach's reactions.

 

[Tau837]

Again...I have had no problem in that the info did nothing...just that it looks bad on Favre.

Have you ever noticed that you repeat yourself a lot?