Ghost Rider
Footballguy
If Ryan Fitzpatrick can throw 11 touchdowns in four games, I am pretty sure Jackson can get around two a game, in the short run, in an offense featuring Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin.
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Favre has fractures in his ankle... (1 Viewer)
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2010 version of Favre is old and frail. In watching the Vikings offense this year, Favre has no mobility to step outside the pocket. Tavaris Jackson's mobility can match the playmaking ability of Moss and Harvin. He can also keep defenses honest and it should open more lanes for AP. Tavaris Jackson is only 27 entering his prime. He's no hall of famer QB but in this offense I think Jackson will be able to create plays.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Randy Moss, Percy Harvin, Shiancoe, Peterson is why I think he can do so.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm not a doctor, but the the avulsion fracture is the injury Kobe Bryant had on the index finger of his shooting hand last year. He braced it up and played with it all season long without surgery/rest, but as a result he now has arthritis in the joints on that finger and it'll never be the same as it was pre-inury. (Que Favre already had arthritis anyway jokes).Weird situation for the Vikings. The best on the field move would be to take this opportunity to bench Favre and go with Jackson, but didn't Childress basically beg Favre to come back? I don't know what would look worse for Childress, benching the guy he begged to come back because he's playing at a poor level, or leaving him in and risking a failed season with an aging squad. It'd be interesting to see if Jackson/Moss could be Culpepper/Moss II, now with the 1st or 2nd best running back in the league.Angry Beavers said:
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Clifford
Footballguy
No, I think a Juggs machine spun around would be far less interception prone. Plus it wouldn't fumble and could get the ball out before being sacked. A Juggs machine on a turnstyle beats Cutler all day long.
snogger
Footballguy
As I said, the talent is there, it's just a matter of.. Does TJ "get it" now or not??
OU#1
Footballguy
TJax has wheels and that's what makes him a servicable bye week filler or QB2. Not Mike Vick wheels, but he will give that extra 3-4 points off rushing yards which makes up for the 100ish yards that he won't have passing.
I don't see a big drop off for Peterson here. Check his stats pre-Farve and that was with TJax in learning mode.
The biggest thing about TJax is turnovers. If he can keep those down then he'll be fine.
I don't see a big drop off for Peterson here. Check his stats pre-Farve and that was with TJax in learning mode.
The biggest thing about TJax is turnovers. If he can keep those down then he'll be fine.
I'm done with Brett Favre. I can't watch him play anymore. Analysts say how Brett almost led the Vikings to a comeback in week 7. Well they should not have been in that position anyway. He threw the pick 6. Prior to that interception AP was wearing down the Packer defense. Had they stayed conservative I think AP would have given them the lead.
I think the Vikings fans deserve a youth movement at the QB position.
I think the Vikings fans deserve a youth movement at the QB position.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Favre is running the show. He's not going to sit himself, so the only thing that is going to keep him from playing is a major injury.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
One of the best postings that's ever been posted in the Shark Pool.Kitrick Taylor said:
This is going to be a disaster if Favre plays. If you were playing against the Vikings who is throwing a 41 year old QB on a fractured ankle onto the field, linebackers are going for his ankles on every play.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Meh.McNabb broke a leg in the first half of a game, came out for the second half and threw for like four touchdowns. Favre's ligaments pale in comparison.Kitrick Taylor said:
Except in a funny face contest. Cutler can make some beauties. I think he learned this skill from Mike Tice who also has it in spades.
Clifford
Footballguy
I think at this point he would be doing it for the team.What would make my day? For Favre to sit, watch about one quarter of Chilly's incompetence, and then walk over, grab his headphones, push him to the ground and tell him it's his team, whether he's playing or not.
I'm quite shocked that those who have watched Jackson at all the past few years actually believes he can lead this team anywhere in the playoffs. Unless you're strictly speaking from a fantasy perspective, where you think he can be serviceable? If that's the case, I'd barely agree. Unfortunately the Vikes offense with Jackson at the helm would be a continued dose of slamming Peterson into the line 25 times per game with even less creativity than the currently unimaginative playcalling.
Favre's been atrocious thus far, there's no doubt about that. But this team has less of a shot at a Super Bowl with TJax running the show. May as well crash and burn with Favre, as long as he can go, before turning to good ol' blinded-by-the-lights Jackson.
Favre's been atrocious thus far, there's no doubt about that. But this team has less of a shot at a Super Bowl with TJax running the show. May as well crash and burn with Favre, as long as he can go, before turning to good ol' blinded-by-the-lights Jackson.
griff321
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more. Yeah he made some bonehead decisions when it came to protecting the ball, but Jesus Cristo he made some insanely good throws too and in light of the injury I can't help but sit here in amazement reflecting on it. How the could you boo him off the field in his final game at Lameau GB fans!?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
If news breaks and Favre is out I may just drop McNabb for him. Too many weapons for Tjax and McNabb has been very pedetrian lately.az_prof said:
SWC
Bromigo
I hope that TJax ends up being every bit the player that many thought he would be back in the day, and puts up huge numbers the rest of the way, and gets everyone in MN up in a lather about how great he’ll be next year, and then leaves because he is insulted by the ill treatment he received and the pandering that everyone did to Brett “I cheated on Deanna the wiener texter John Edwards II” Favre.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Amen Brother!The guy is an absolute warrior, doesn't get enough credit for the things he does right. There will never be another guy quite like him and when he's gone, even the people who hate him will feel the void. As a Bad Boy fan (Detroit Piston fan), I hated Larry Bird and the Celtics with a passion. You could have never convinced me I would have mutually respected that guy in my lifetime but when he retired and he was gone and I got a little older, I realized how much I respected him and how great he really was. It turned out I was really just envious of how great he was.I never really liked Brett Farve, but I have grown to just respect the guy to know end in terms of how hard he plays the game. TJ blows compares to Farve in 2010 or any other year, and not just talking about what stats he'll put up if he does come in. That team completely falls apart if that guy leads this team. They start getting blown out and the wheels completely fall off, mark it down TJ supporters.Kitrick Taylor said:
CalBear
Footballguy
His greatness is still there, in a sense. Right after he threw the pick-6 to Bishop (Go Bears!), I said, "you know, he's going to come back and throw an 80-yard TD on the next drive," which he nearly did, hitting Harvin across the middle for 37 yards on third and 1. (Two more passes resulted in a Randy Moss TD). The almost-TD to Harvin was vintage Favre, forcing a bullet past double coverage in the end zone. And the final play of the game was close to resulting in a victorious ending very similar to the way Favre beat the Niners last year. So he still has flashes of greatness, but his body is failing him, which has decreased his consistency, never a strong suit in the first place.
griff321
Footballguy
I don't think many people here are talking playoffs. Fantasy football purposes only imo. If we were talking playoffs then I just don't feel that the Vikings D line/secondary is playing up to par to get the job done. WE HAD FRANK EFIN WALKER AT CB. :X Now from a fantasy prospective T-Jack looked VERY good at training camp. Making sick over the shoulder bombs to Berrian look routine. Their is a reason we let Rosenfels go even after he posted a fairly good stat line in preseason action while TJacks looked horrible. However in my opinion Sage was going up against much lesser competition and still made a lot of very poor throws that turned out looking good for him on the final stat sheet. Say what you will about Childress being a commander on the field, he has had a pretty damn good track record for evaluating talent. TJacks problem has always been that he plays like crap without the lead and the pressure associated with things like the two minute drill and down by a TD stuff. He plays too much in the system and by that I mean he locks in on the primary and doesn't progress to the other guys. Now some of the local elite football minds like Paul Allen have said they noticed a stark difference in Jackson's ability to progress through the reads and make an accurate throw. This kind of praise from honest home evaluators of talent really bodes well for his case. With the weapons he has at receiver now I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him put up a good stat line regardless of if he wins games or not.Here's the final caveat. Jackson has never been able to go an entire season injury free. Hell, he hasn't even been able to go a long stretch without some sort of limiting injury issue. Unless The Silver Fox retires, then I really doubt that this is the last we've heard or seen from him.
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Agreed. Favre might be a drama queen, but the guy is one hell of an NFL QB.People are being WAY WAY too hard on him this year. He's 41. Who ever said he was going to carry the Vikings on his back?The idea when Favre arrived two years ago was run the ball, play action, play defense. He was suppose to be an old Big Ben throwing it 20-25 times a game. Suddenly this year the defense sucks, the running game is hit and miss (horrible play calling) so everyone is flipping out because a 41 year old man can't carry the entire team to the playoffs - AGAIN. Favre isn't a drop back and throw it 35-50 times a game, otherwise you'll get lots of INTs / fumbles. If you support him with a good running game, good line, good defense he's a very solid QB. He can't do the Favre one man show anymore, no #### he's 41. The entire game was a Brad Childress disaster. Hey moron, you can't block Mathews one on one. He's eating up your line and Favre. Every game I've seen of the Vikings it always comes down to Favre to pull some magic out of his ###. Why don't they just run over people? I thought they had this amazing rush attack? I thought that defense was all world? Sorry bringing 4 isn't going to create pressure, try blitzing on 3rd and 12. The game was a joke. The Vikings are frauds. Favre carried them last year and shockingly he can't do it again at the age of 41. I don't even like the guy. But I'm eager to see Manning/Brady/Bees in 7-8 years carry a team when they're 40-41 years old. But we all know chances are all 3 of them will retire before that happens. If you move Harvin back 6 inches and he taps his toes then Favre is a God among men. People love ripping on Favre but the Vikings aren't going to like it when he's gone for good. The defense will be exposed, the line will be exposed and AP better get a hell of a lot better or else they aint making the playoffs for a long time. The vikings should be ashamed that they keep asking a 41 year old man to win the game for them. Chilly is just an awful HC. That defense has no heart. I love AP he had a great game. But clearly someone else in the Vikings has to win games for them because this whole Favre will carry us stuff ain't working and it's not Favres fault imho.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
uhhhh..... no ?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I enjoyed watching how classless packer fans were yesterday booing their legend. 5 years back, I could not have ever dreamt that. If Vegas had odds on that, I bet somone would have become a billionaire betting on it.
But back to the point. Never again I want to hear how packer fans are supposed to be this "better set of fans compared to rest of the NFL". BS. The bandwagon jumpers exist everywhere. When you boo the guy who is the only reason your franchise was put back on the map after 30 years of utter futility, it shows how bad those fans really are.
But back to the point. Never again I want to hear how packer fans are supposed to be this "better set of fans compared to rest of the NFL". BS. The bandwagon jumpers exist everywhere. When you boo the guy who is the only reason your franchise was put back on the map after 30 years of utter futility, it shows how bad those fans really are.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
When Favre fell down and then got back up and unleashed that throw to the endzone i was SURE it was going to be a TD. Am I the only person who thought this once he got up?
gianmarco
Footballguy
He meant in the NFC North. Honest mistake.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
I enjoyed watching how classless packer fans were yesterday booing their legend. 5 years back, I could not have ever dreamt that. If Vegas had odds on that, I bet somone would have become a billionaire betting on it.But back to the point. Never again I want to hear how packer fans are supposed to be this "better set of fans compared to rest of the NFL". BS. The bandwagon jumpers exist everywhere. When you boo the guy who is the only reason your franchise was put back on the map after 30 years of utter futility, it shows how bad those fans really are.
Phurfur
Footballguy
This is easy to say if he is not "your" QB.
Phurfur
Footballguy
I never heard that from anyone. Some considered them some of the most knowledgeable football fans maybe that is what you are thinking.I enjoyed watching how classless packer fans were yesterday booing their legend. 5 years back, I could not have ever dreamt that. If Vegas had odds on that, I bet somone would have become a billionaire betting on it.
But back to the point. Never again I want to hear how packer fans are supposed to be this "better set of fans compared to rest of the NFL". BS. The bandwagon jumpers exist everywhere. When you boo the guy who is the only reason your franchise was put back on the map after 30 years of utter futility, it shows how bad those fans really are.
Maybe if the Bears ever get competitive you will remember what a rivalry is.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Tardvaris can certainly win some games with that team (as could... who is out there? probably a McCown or two) but even crip-walking 2010 Favre is still a better option. I doubt Jackson could have even made that Jets game close. If they need to drive for a quick score with TJ they're boned. The last time we saw him, Childress wasn't even confident enough to throw passes on 3rd and long at home in the playoffs.
finfansteve
Footballguy
I had this in my ankle one time and it hurt but didnt limit me in daily life. Granted, I wasnt being chased by 300 pound linemen that wanted to take my head off at the time but with a painkiller I probably would have been able to run around somewhat. They can put a brace on it and keep some extra blockers in for protection so he doesnt have to scramble too much. I think he is out 2 weeks tops. However, there will be longterm discomfort for him. My ankle wasnt right for about 2 years after it happened to me
I think Favre would inject Ted Thompson's DNA if it kept him starting in the NFL with a chance to win and prove the doubters wrong.more from Schefterr. Michael Kaplan also said Favre could inject a long-acting anesthetic in and around ankle to help him play Sunday. Anyone think he won't?
finfansteve
Footballguy
Ligaments dont carry any blood to a bone so there is no chance of this happening. The only way this is the end of Favre is if he chooses to use it as an excuse but the Vikings aren't paying him to make excuses, just to play and win
SWC
Bromigo
One of my favorite NFL players was Reggie "The bone crusher minister" White, and he would completely disapprove of the way that Brett has been living his life and the way he has treated Deanna and Chilli. I would like to see that conversation, and how much Brett would be like a 12 year old who got caught trying to steal a nip from his dad's best brandy decanter.
I bet that if TJ played on a team with real leadership like Reggie brought, he'd end up being a pretty good QB in the NFL and a finer man. But with leaders like Randy "moonshine pot smoker" MOss and Brett "wiener texter John Edwards II" Favre as his role models, he'll probably end up in prison by the end of week 11.
I bet that if TJ played on a team with real leadership like Reggie brought, he'd end up being a pretty good QB in the NFL and a finer man. But with leaders like Randy "moonshine pot smoker" MOss and Brett "wiener texter John Edwards II" Favre as his role models, he'll probably end up in prison by the end of week 11.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Actually it is a euphoric feeling when a piece of ligament slightly tears away from the bone.
Tau837
Footballguy
And how many QBs threw 32 TDs last season? Or, to prorate, how many threw an average of 2 TDs per game played? Hint: not many. Hint #2: Jackson isn't as good as those who did or came close to doing it.
This makes me feel as if Favre will be playing, no matter what. I love Brett but I would like to see with Jackson's mobility what we could do offensively.more from Schefter
Tau837
Footballguy
Do you think that is the best receiving corps in the league? How many QBs averaged 2 TDs per game last season?
bbuster
Footballguy
No...as a Packer and a Favre fan I've seen it so many times, I fully expected it. As fickle as so many NFL fans and the media are...they would be singing a whole different tune today.
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Anyone wonder if they'd try a QB rotation? Farve could start (keeping him happy) and play the first series, then give way to Jackson for 2-3 series (keeping Chilly happy), then have Favre come back for another series here and there. It sounds like a disaster, but at least that way both Favre and Chilly could act like they're the ones calling the shots.
I think from a fantasy prospective a healthy Tavaris Jackson would be a much better play than a gimpy Brett Favre.
I also think the Vikings would have a better chance to win the game. Favre's play has lost games this year for the Vikes but it hasn't won any. The Vikes have better weapons now than they had last time Jackson was a starter so he could post some pretty good numbers.
I also think the Vikings would have a better chance to win the game. Favre's play has lost games this year for the Vikes but it hasn't won any. The Vikes have better weapons now than they had last time Jackson was a starter so he could post some pretty good numbers.
