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FBG Mock Draft '25 - 2.10 Guard - Donovan Jackson, Ohio State (27 Viewers)

At 2.07, 39 overall, the Browns do the expected and select Jaxson Dart, QB, Mississippi.
I'm not sure whether to applaud you for getting him this late or be critical of the fact you passed him earlier and were able to get bailed out.
Dave knows how I feel :lol: With hind sight knowing Dart fell to 39, I'd have pushed him to Burden at 33, but still think Dart was the slam dunk move at 33.
If this were the real deal and phones were active, the Patriots would have contacted QB needy teams behind them about a trade up ahead of CLE.

IMO Dart was the only player on the board with positional value to warrant what SEA paid to move up. I was sure that was the play when the trade was announced
I made trade offers to Cleveland and the Giants when the Steelers were OTC at pick 21 and neither had interest. I feel like in the real world draft that interest for that pick is going to be a lot warmer if Dart is available and both of those teams passed on QB earlier. That's if the Steelers would even move out and not take Dart themselves if Rodgers has not committed. I have drafted him myself at 21 but like I said I was drafting under the premise Rodgers is signed.

In our exercise I would find fault with the Browns process, passing on Dart, but would have to give A+ reviews for the final outcome, which the way it worked out I have to say well played.
 
TRADE

The NY Giants trade Kayvon Thibodeaux to the NE Patriots for pick #77 (3rd round pick).


The Giants weren't looking to replace Thibodeaux at all, but after Carter fell in their lap, he became tradable. Since the Giants have so many needs at other positions, they felt it was the best use of resources to trade Thibodeaux.
The Patriots add a very talented and highly selected edge player that’s only 24 years old. KT was moderately productive on some terrible Giants teams and I feel Vrabel will put him to use effectively.

I’m an Eagles homer and love what Howie does. The activity in this draft is modeled after his methods. Fortify the OL and add a young, highly talented player motivated to play for his next contract for a third round pick. If he works out, he’ll be resigned during or after this year, if not we play the comp pick game and likely receive a mid round pick when he signs elsewhere. The risk is well worth the reward for a team that’s mostly devoid of players as talented as KT.

1.04 Will Campbell OT LSU
2.06 Tyler Booker OG Alabama
3.05
3.13 Trade for Edge Kayvon Thibodeaux
2.06 The New England Patriots select Tyler Booker, OG Alabama

Continuing with the theme of building around Maye, the Patriots fortify the OL and also get the BPA. Booker has all of the traits that can potentially make him a top 10 IOL. Missing out on Burden stung but Booker is a fantastic consolation prize. Adding Bradbury, Moses, Campbell and Booker in one offseason is a huge OL upgrade and boost for Maye and the offense overall.

1.04 Will Campbell OT LSU
2.06 Tyler Booker OG Alabama
3.05
3.13 Trade for Edge Kayvon Thibodeaux

Not bad.

Gotta go WR at 3.05.
 

Fair enough and we disagree a bit. Not everybody has skin as thick as you might think. I've seen many people turn and run and not contribute as much because somebody has misjudged how their words are taken. Been on the board over a decade and watched it repeatedly happen. You could ask Joe about that and I'd bet dollars to donuts that people haven't participated because of that sort of miscalculation.

Just something to think about.

Maybe that's why nobody ripped my Tyler Warren pick for the 49ers. But rip away :shades:
The Warren pick was a little surprising, but I would have considered him one pick later for Dallas even though we have Ferguson.

I was surprised no one questioned Jihaad Campbell to Dallas. MLB is not one of the biggest needs, but now that Parsons plays mostly on the Edge, we need a force in the middle. I remember when Parsons was picked so high that I was shocked and that turned out pretty well.
I looked at CB and OT but was too intrigued by what Warren could add to this offense in both the passing and running games. Kyle can get really creative here.

Differing reports on when Aiyuk will be ready. Heard mid season and heard start of season. Let’s split the middle and say week 5. Kittle, Warren, Aiyuk, Jennings, Pearsall and CMC. Would be fun.

But doubt Warren is there at #11. Even if he was, SF prefers to draft average or below average players in the first round. Bosa, who was a no brainer and Aiyuk. Pearsall TBD. Others have been average or just plain trash in the Lynch/Shanahan era. Had they drafted well in the first rounds, good chance they would have been able to get over the top and win a ring or two. Unfortunate.
 
With the 2.04 #36 overall the Jaguars select

WR Luther Burden III Missouri

The payoff moving down from M. Graham adding playmakers at Cornerback & WR plus Nolen is juice for the Jags.
Boo! boo!
Good pick, good trade by Bri too. I just don’t like that burden is a JAG due to a trade by the titans.
 
At 2.08, 40th overall, the New Orleans Saints select Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa St

The players I really wanted went before me again. Buncha jerks. Was looking at OL, DL, and DB here. Also in the real draft I think there’s a good chance Dart is gone by the middle of the first round and most assuredly that someone would trade into the end of the 1st to nab him. Possibly the Saints. Anyways, Higgins brings length to the WR room and, while I hope it’s not an issue going forward, Olave’s concussion history is a concern.
 
At 2.08, 40th overall, the New Orleans Saints select Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa St

The players I really wanted went before me again. Buncha jerks. Was looking at OL, DL, and DB here. Also in the real draft I think there’s a good chance Dart is gone by the middle of the first round and most assuredly that someone would trade into the end of the 1st to nab him. Possibly the Saints. Anyways, Higgins brings length to the WR room and, while I hope it’s not an issue going forward, Olave’s concussion history is a concern.
Great pick - was hoping he'd fall to 46 for the Browns.
 
For those belly aching about the trades up and down the board, need I remind you that the Philadelphia Eagles set an NFL record - 8 different trades during the 2024 NFL Draft


And I'm not finger pointing, I respect differing POV, it's something we'll discuss again next year or we can relaunch another one of these w/different rules in a few days
I'm game, Miami had some earth shaking news w/Armstead retirement but I think they had to know

The criticism has been that most of the trades made in this mock draft have been unrealistic, which by definition makes the mock draft results unrealistic. Not that trades are inherently bad or that there have been too many trades. It's a mock draft done for fun, so no big deal, but your post is addressing a strawman.
 
At 2.07, 39 overall, the Browns do the expected and select Jaxson Dart, QB, Mississippi.
I'm not sure whether to applaud you for getting him this late or be critical of the fact you passed him earlier and were able to get bailed out.
In the real NFL, I think you have to trade back into rnd1 for that 5th year on the contract. Aside from that, I looked at the teams drafting between my picks & decided they had better choices. Still disappointed at Mike Green to KC, though.
 
With the 2.04 #36 overall the Jaguars select

WR Luther Burden III Missouri

The payoff moving down from M. Graham adding playmakers at Cornerback & WR plus Nolen is juice for the Jags.
Don't think it's gonna matter in the real thing cause I expect the Browns to take Hunter at 2, but while this wasn't who I was pushing @daveR to pick at 33, he was plan B if Hunter is not pick 2 like he was here.
If I'm being honest I don't think Nolen will be available the pick before in the real thing either but one can dream and enjoy the moment.
Probably not, but my impression of the consensus “better” mocks have him available at pick 32 like 25% of the time
 
For those belly aching about the trades up and down the board, need I remind you that the Philadelphia Eagles set an NFL record - 8 different trades during the 2024 NFL Draft


And I'm not finger pointing, I respect differing POV, it's something we'll discuss again next year or we can relaunch another one of these w/different rules in a few days
I'm game, Miami had some earth shaking news w/Armstead retirement but I think they had to know

The criticism has been that most of the trades made in this mock draft have been unrealistic, which by definition makes the mock draft results unrealistic. Not that trades are inherently bad or that there have been too many trades. It's a mock draft done for fun, so no big deal, but your post is addressing a strawman.
Which trades have been considered unrealistic?
 
At 2.08, 40th overall, the New Orleans Saints select Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa St

The players I really wanted went before me again. Buncha jerks. Was looking at OL, DL, and DB here. Also in the real draft I think there’s a good chance Dart is gone by the middle of the first round and most assuredly that someone would trade into the end of the 1st to nab him. Possibly the Saints. Anyways, Higgins brings length to the WR room and, while I hope it’s not an issue going forward, Olave’s concussion history is a concern.
Nice selection big guy
 
For those belly aching about the trades up and down the board, need I remind you that the Philadelphia Eagles set an NFL record - 8 different trades during the 2024 NFL Draft


And I'm not finger pointing, I respect differing POV, it's something we'll discuss again next year or we can relaunch another one of these w/different rules in a few days
I'm game, Miami had some earth shaking news w/Armstead retirement but I think they had to know
No one is saying trades don’t happen. These are just unrealistic. IMHO
 
For those belly aching about the trades up and down the board, need I remind you that the Philadelphia Eagles set an NFL record - 8 different trades during the 2024 NFL Draft


And I'm not finger pointing, I respect differing POV, it's something we'll discuss again next year or we can relaunch another one of these w/different rules in a few days
I'm game, Miami had some earth shaking news w/Armstead retirement but I think they had to know

The criticism has been that most of the trades made in this mock draft have been unrealistic, which by definition makes the mock draft results unrealistic. Not that trades are inherently bad or that there have been too many trades. It's a mock draft done for fun, so no big deal, but your post is addressing a strawman.
Which trades have been considered unrealistic?

Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
 
For those belly aching about the trades up and down the board, need I remind you that the Philadelphia Eagles set an NFL record - 8 different trades during the 2024 NFL Draft


And I'm not finger pointing, I respect differing POV, it's something we'll discuss again next year or we can relaunch another one of these w/different rules in a few days
I'm game, Miami had some earth shaking news w/Armstead retirement but I think they had to know

The criticism has been that most of the trades made in this mock draft have been unrealistic, which by definition makes the mock draft results unrealistic. Not that trades are inherently bad or that there have been too many trades. It's a mock draft done for fun, so no big deal, but your post is addressing a strawman.
I’ll disagree with “most”. Were a couple? Yes, but I’ll counter with the fact that there a usually a few in each real draft that are head scratchers. Internally I initially questioned the Eagles GM for trading down from a premium pick(Starks/Conerly/Pierce) but I need to see who he selects with the picks he acquired and the 2nd next year is a premium pick.
 
Here are all the trades that have happened so far (which I'm tracking in this page 1 post), broken down into categories.

Trades that only involved picks we're using in our draft:
CHI moves up with CLE for Travis Hunter
CHI gets: 2
CLE gets: 10, 39, 41

CLE moves up with JAX for Mason Graham
CLE gets: 5
JAX gets: 10, 41

ATL moves up with JAX for Shemar Stewart
ATL gets: 10
JAX gets: 15, 67

Trades that include later picks in this draft:
CLE moves up with ATL in advance
CLE gets: 46
ATL gets: 67, 94, 104

JAX moves up with TEN for Walter Nolen

JAX gets: 35
TEN gets: 41, 107

Trades that include players:
NE trades for Thibodeaux from NYG
NE gets: Kayvon Thibodeaux
NYG gets: 77

BUF trades for Tyreek from MIA

BUF gets: Tyreek Hill
MIA gets: 56, 132

Trades that include future picks:
MIA moves up with PHI for Malaki Starks
MIA gets: 32
PHI gets: 48, 98, 135, 2026 2nd

SEA moves up with NYG for Nick Emmanwori
SEA gets: 34
NYG gets: 50, 2026 1st
 
I think that next year we should limit trades to the picks that we're using in our draft, with no future picks, players, or later picks. Too easy for trades to get lopsided or unrealistic when we open things up more.

Maybe we could carve out an exception for trading up for an early QB, e.g. if there is an obvious top QB who should be taken 1st overall but the team with the #1 pick doesn't need a QB.
 
Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
I missed the Reek trade, but what was wrong with the trade for pick 2? If anything, I didn't think Dave accepted enough.
 
Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
I missed the Reek trade, but what was wrong with the trade for pick 2? If anything, I didn't think Dave accepted enough.
True. We discussed additional (2026) compensation, but decided it was moot for this exercise. (Unless I'm mixing it up with a different trade)
 
Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
I missed the Reek trade, but what was wrong with the trade for pick 2? If anything, I didn't think Dave accepted enough.

It wasn't that bad, but it was about 3-400 short on value. A third round pick. My contention would be that much like fantasy, two nickels don't really equal a dime. I also don't think you can value Hunter like a normal pick, so it's also my evaluation of the player. But DaveR is fine by me, because . . .

my criticism is rather muted. I was more along the lines of "here we go with the weird trades" when it was the only the second pick of the draft. Add to that that it was Hunter, and I just thought that travdogg really got a bargain.

But this isn't to really criticize anybody. It was more like, "Oh, this is going to be a little hinky." And I think it has been a bit. But not something I'm either upset about or falling on a sword over. I'm really not. Personal preference and that is all.
 
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Well, the eagles have been mulling a trade offer proposed by someone else but have not received clarification on one of the items. So we will give it a little longer I guess. If anyone else wants to make an offer for 32, it will be considered.
The way this played out is a dream scenario for the Eagles with either a selection or a trade down. 👍🏼

Hate the Eagles trading out here. They have a boatload of picks over the next 2 drafts already. Only trading out for a future 1. Plus they there were guys available there (Starks and Nolen) at positions of need.
 
Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
I missed the Reek trade, but what was wrong with the trade for pick 2? If anything, I didn't think Dave accepted enough.
True. We discussed additional (2026) compensation, but decided it was moot for this exercise. (Unless I'm mixing it up with a different trade)
I think it is totally relevant for this exercise. I mean unless we're talking a 2026 7th, I can understand just saying "screw that, nobody cares, we won't include that". But if a 2026 4th or better, I think it should definitely be named.
 
I think everyone did a great job. It is a difficult exercise to jump into and have optimal results that everyone will be satisfied (ultimately the same by NFL standards). The fact that players were involved in trades adds to the creativity of the exercise. Like all drafts there will be perceived winners and losers during the process, that is how it goes. Thank you all who are participating as it has been a fun follow during he dry spell of off-season.
 
Quite a few, including trading 50 and 2026 1st for 34, trading Tyreek Hill, and trading up to 2. You can read the thread to see the comments about them.
I missed the Reek trade, but what was wrong with the trade for pick 2? If anything, I didn't think Dave accepted enough.

Someone else commented on that one, not me, but I think the point of the comment was that the #2 pick would normally command more.

Just using the Draftek chart, 2 = 2600 and 10+39+41 = 2300. I would expect the #2 pick would be more likely to command an overpay than an underpay compared to the chart.

That said, I would rather have 10+39+41, so maybe those values are off. Like I said, I didn’t comment on that one.

While on the subject, I think trading down in the first to add day 2 picks, especially picks in the top half of the 2nd round, is typically a winning decision. I would like to see the Chargers do it with some regularity, understanding it takes a willing partner every time.

I think the last time the Chargers did it was Rivers-Eli, and that was a clear win. (I know that was technically after Rivers and Eli were drafted but same difference.)
 
Well, the eagles have been mulling a trade offer proposed by someone else but have not received clarification on one of the items. So we will give it a little longer I guess. If anyone else wants to make an offer for 32, it will be considered.
The way this played out is a dream scenario for the Eagles with either a selection or a trade down. 👍🏼

Hate the Eagles trading out here. They have a boatload of picks over the next 2 drafts already. Only trading out for a future 1. Plus they there were guys available there (Starks and Nolen) at positions of need.
See my most recent comment about that trade
 
Well, the eagles have been mulling a trade offer proposed by someone else but have not received clarification on one of the items. So we will give it a little longer I guess. If anyone else wants to make an offer for 32, it will be considered.
The way this played out is a dream scenario for the Eagles with either a selection or a trade down. 👍🏼

Hate the Eagles trading out here. They have a boatload of picks over the next 2 drafts already. Only trading out for a future 1. Plus they there were guys available there (Starks and Nolen) at positions of need.
See my most recent comment about that trade

I said this in the Eagles thread, they have 20 picks over the next two drafts. Unless they're getting a future 1st or an established player (which I don't think they'd do for cap reasons), they should not trade out of #32 to accumulate more draft picks. They have more than enough picks as is, the extra year of control on #32 pick should be considered more valuable to them if they're worried about the cap.
 
I also don't think you can value Hunter like a normal pick, so it's also my evaluation of the player.
Probably of no surprise given our back-and-forth in the Hunter thread, but we're on the same page.
Someone else commented on that one, not me, but I think the point of the comment was that the #2 pick would normally command more.

Just using the Draftek chart, 2 = 2600 and 10+39+41 = 2300. I would expect the #2 pick would be more likely to command an overpay than an underpay compared to the chart.

That said, I would rather have 10+39+41, so maybe those values are off.
Like all analytics, a chart is a good reference point, but it's not gospel. Hunter and Carter may be on a different tier than the next group, but if the evaluation yields just a marginal difference, then to support where you landed here, it absolutely makes sense to move down a tier and collect additional assets (of value!). I vehemently disagree with the assessment of the talent, but respect the thought process, and while I would've been sure to add a '26 mid-rounder in the spirit of legitimate simulation, don't think it's worth squabbling over.

You all now have me curious about the Tyreek trade though...
 
You all now have me curious about the Tyreek trade though...
Ah...I'm up to speed now. Don't see the issue though. Yeah, MoP tried a maneuver that can't be done, but the cap hit to trading him is almost the same as keeping him. If anything I think Buffalo may have given too much, but operations are justifiably different for teams in a window.
 
Well, the eagles have been mulling a trade offer proposed by someone else but have not received clarification on one of the items. So we will give it a little longer I guess. If anyone else wants to make an offer for 32, it will be considered.
The way this played out is a dream scenario for the Eagles with either a selection or a trade down. 👍🏼

Hate the Eagles trading out here. They have a boatload of picks over the next 2 drafts already. Only trading out for a future 1. Plus they there were guys available there (Starks and Nolen) at positions of need.
See my most recent comment about that trade

I said this in the Eagles thread, they have 20 picks over the next two drafts. Unless they're getting a future 1st or an established player (which I don't think they'd do for cap reasons), they should not trade out of #32 to accumulate more draft picks. They have more than enough picks as is, the extra year of control on #32 pick should be considered more valuable to them if they're worried about the cap.
Howie is aggressive unlike no other. I’m not opposed to trading down and accumulating picks because that gives Howie the ammo to target players in trade ups. The drop off in value from 32 to 48 gave me pause
 
You all now have me curious about the Tyreek trade though...
Ah...I'm up to speed now. Don't see the issue though. Yeah, MoP tried a maneuver that can't be done, but the cap hit to trading him is almost the same as keeping him. If anything I think Buffalo may have given too much, but operations are justifiably different for teams in a window.

I definitely think Buffalo gave too much. But I also think it is very unrealistic Miami would be willing to pay as much to have Hill off the roster as on the roster in 2025. Unless they are ready to treat 2025 as a rebuild year and not try to make the playoffs. Not saying they have a good chance to make the playoffs, the question is, are they going to try? If yes, trading Hill doesn't make sense.
 
You all now have me curious about the Tyreek trade though...
Ah...I'm up to speed now. Don't see the issue though. Yeah, MoP tried a maneuver that can't be done, but the cap hit to trading him is almost the same as keeping him. If anything I think Buffalo may have given too much, but operations are justifiably different for teams in a window.

I definitely think Buffalo gave too much. But I also think it is very unrealistic Miami would be willing to pay as much to have Hill off the roster as on the roster in 2025. Unless they are ready to treat 2025 as a rebuild year and not try to make the playoffs. Not saying they have a good chance to make the playoffs, the question is, are they going to try? If yes, trading Hill doesn't make sense.
Inter-division as well
 
You all now have me curious about the Tyreek trade though...
Ah...I'm up to speed now. Don't see the issue though. Yeah, MoP tried a maneuver that can't be done, but the cap hit to trading him is almost the same as keeping him. If anything I think Buffalo may have given too much, but operations are justifiably different for teams in a window.

I definitely think Buffalo gave too much. But I also think it is very unrealistic Miami would be willing to pay as much to have Hill off the roster as on the roster in 2025. Unless they are ready to treat 2025 as a rebuild year and not try to make the playoffs. Not saying they have a good chance to make the playoffs, the question is, are they going to try? If yes, trading Hill doesn't make sense.
They're 28-23 and 0-2 in the playoffs in three seasons with McD. Most of their best players that helped produce those marks are either coming off a serious injury or now on the wrong side of 30. I don't think they need a full blown rebuild, but a 1 yr reset would serve future them well. They're not close to KC, BUF, and BAL. And if Reek ain't happy...
 
Well, the eagles have been mulling a trade offer proposed by someone else but have not received clarification on one of the items. So we will give it a little longer I guess. If anyone else wants to make an offer for 32, it will be considered.
The way this played out is a dream scenario for the Eagles with either a selection or a trade down. 👍🏼

Hate the Eagles trading out here. They have a boatload of picks over the next 2 drafts already. Only trading out for a future 1. Plus they there were guys available there (Starks and Nolen) at positions of need.
See my most recent comment about that trade

I said this in the Eagles thread, they have 20 picks over the next two drafts. Unless they're getting a future 1st or an established player (which I don't think they'd do for cap reasons), they should not trade out of #32 to accumulate more draft picks. They have more than enough picks as is, the extra year of control on #32 pick should be considered more valuable to them if they're worried about the cap.
I don’t follow the eagles at all but, as a Super Bowl winning team, with this many draft picks, I think you do the opposite (of trading down). You combine picks and trade UP for guys you’re high on. It’s not like their roster is devoid of talent. Consolidate and continue to be a Super Bowl contender.
Good time to be an eagles fan.
 
IMO we're down to the 4th tier of talent now. The first tier ended with Abdul Carter at pick 3, the second tier ended with McMillan or Banks at 16-17, and the third tier ended with Jaxson Dart at 39 (or, for non-QB-need teams, somewhere in the 35-38 between Nolen & Booker).
 
Nick Scourton please @Ministry of Pain
I like this kid and his mock draft data fluctuates way too much to be accurate without some negative news to make it change.
Some dislike, some love.
He was once a first round prospect.

I tried to trade down but...that's my type I like. It's worked with AJB and Henry famously and I think there's something to "guys dropping out of the first" over the years.

I would like a zillion third round picks or like mid second to mid third and think I can feast. I didn't get to trade down w the number one.

I think slot WRs stink in TEN and I don't know what's in Nashville's water to cause that. Also second is too early for a slot. Kupp or Puka aside, I think they're way over drafted and projected to be over drafted again.

Trading for two picks but one I can't use because we only go three rounds is no fun. I didn't realize I did that.

I've had a bizarre weekend and have been unattentive here and it's very unlike me l. I apologize for being that guy, again.
 
Nick Scourton please @Ministry of Pain
I like this kid and his mock draft data fluctuates way too much to be accurate without some negative news to make it change.
Some dislike, some love.
He was once a first round prospect.

I tried to trade down but...that's my type I like. It's worked with AJB and Henry famously and I think there's something to "guys dropping out of the first" over the years.

I would like a zillion third round picks or like mid second to mid third and think I can feast. I didn't get to trade down w the number one.

I think slot WRs stink in TEN and I don't know what's in Nashville's water to cause that. Also second is too early for a slot. Kupp or Puka aside, I think they're way over drafted and projected to be over drafted again.

Trading for two picks but one I can't use because we only go three rounds is no fun. I didn't realize I did that.

I've had a bizarre weekend and have been unattentive here and it's very unlike me l. I apologize for being that guy, again.
I like the pick. That’s why I made it about 10 picks ago . . .
 

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