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Ilov80s said:
Speaking to the cultural aspect, outside of Coming to America, had there been another massive hit starring two black people before Bad Boys? 
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Was Bad Boys really a massive hit? I don't see how. 

(I never saw it before 2 weeks ago)

 
prosopis said:
Yeah I meant to look that up. I don't recall it being a massive hit. Even thought it was strange that there was a second one made.
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Bad Boys 3 came out right before the corona thing and made $290 million. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
I was kind of joking- the movie definitely wants you to believe he has some kind of PTSD from the war but he also could just be some kind of thrill junkie, adrenaline addict and substance abuser who does crazy #### for inexplicably. He seems to love being in situations where he begs people to kill him.
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His wife died and he dgaf anymore. 

 
Bad Boys was a small production ($19 million) and a surprise hit. Bad Boys 2 had a budget of $130 million to put it all in perspective. 

 
I enjoyed Bad Boys.  It's not great cinema but it had a few laughs and Bay's hyperkinetic technique kept things interesting.  The plot was pure formula and it played the Mike/Marcus mistaken identities beyond the extreme.  At times it really labored to get from one action scene to the next and for all the main characters to arrive at the same place when the shooting started.  In particular, Julie was always in the scene regardless of how little sense it made for here character to be there.

I haven't seen Lethal Weapon in years but I've recently watched a couple of comparable 80s action/comedies in 48 Hours and Beverly Hills Cop II.  Bay's style is an extension of Walter Hill's and Tony Scott's but I think it's been very influential over the past twenty five years.  The odd angles, ceaseless camera motion and abrupt cuts are the standard toolkit for modern action films.  The action sequences in Bad Boys were almost quaint compared to today's CGI extravaganzas but I still liked the old school stunt work and things blowing up.

 
ok, onto Bad Boys. Liked it, didn't love it. I thought Lethal Weapon was the much better movie overall. Obvious parallels - family man / loose cannon partnership, lots of bickering but they're still friends, cartoony-type evil crew with lots of henchmen, third act loose cannon chasing a car on foot, bad guy is not quite down and pulls a gun... Even the family sedan jokingly being used on duty (that was Lethal Weapon 2, I believe).

I wanted to like it more than I did. The constant jokes kind of kept pulling me out of it. And the fact that family man wasn't immediately concerned about his plate getting made bugged me. Your wife and kids are home, your family car plate was made, you even say it was, you know cops might be involved in the entire scheme (thus have access to things like "who's plate is this?") but your first instinct is to take the witness to your partner's place and spend the night? This kind of made it a cartoon at that point. Maybe that ties into me feeling Lethal Weapon did a much better job at the family man part. Murtough's wife/family life, even with the creepy tub scene, were far more believable than Marcus'. With Marcus, it was almost "ok, he's married, but we want to be hip/young here, so let's give him a smoking hot wife who looks nothing like a mom of 3."

Maybe I'm the wrong age for it, but it didn't work for me. I really like both lead actors, and it was also cool seeing Soprano vets Ralph and Chris in earlier roles (I'd call them by their real names, but all I thought was "oh cool, it's Ralph"), but give me Lethal Weapon all day. 

 
Eephus said:
it played the Mike/Marcus mistaken identities beyond the extreme. 
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Please unpack this for me, because I didn't see much.  The only 'gag' was Marcus trying to explain all the pictures of Mike, and Mike didn't seem to be much of a fish out of water with Marcus' family. Yes, he got a little 'blue' with his language and telling stories to Marcus' kids, but there was no payoff on that, was there?  If there was, I don't remember. Like I said earlier, I think there was a lot of meat left on the bone with that aspect of the story, and given that Smith and Lawrence were the stars, maybe some more time should have been spent on that, but instead it felt to me like their scenes were a form of vamping until the next set-piece action sequence. 

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Please unpack this for me, because I didn't see much.  The only 'gag' was Marcus trying to explain all the pictures of Mike, and Mike didn't seem to be much of a fish out of water with Marcus' family. Yes, he got a little 'blue' with his language and telling stories to Marcus' kids, but there was no payoff on that, was there?  If there was, I don't remember. Like I said earlier, I think there was a lot of meat left on the bone with that aspect of the story, and given that Smith and Lawrence were the stars, maybe some more time should have been spent on that, but instead it felt to me like their scenes were a form of vamping until the next set-piece action sequence. 
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The premise was used as the setup for the fight outside Marcus' house and the shootout at Mike's apartment.  I'm not in law enforcement but I'm pretty sure that this isn't how protective custody usually works.  The switched identities paid off in a couple of decent gags but it was lazy storytelling to lean on it to drive the plot as much as it did.

 
Eephus said:
The premise was used as the setup for the fight outside Marcus' house and the shootout at Mike's apartment.  I'm not in law enforcement but I'm pretty sure that this isn't how protective custody usually works.  The switched identities paid off in a couple of decent gags but it was lazy storytelling to lean on it to drive the plot as much as it did.
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I see your point here. I was more thinking along the lines of this premise as a way of 'showcasing' their comedic talents, which it didn't, but I guess it wouldn't have meshed well with all the carnage.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
I see your point here. I was more thinking along the lines of this premise as a way of 'showcasing' their comedic talents, which it didn't, but I guess it wouldn't have meshed well with all the carnage.
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One of the things I look for when I watch an action movie is how the filmmakers bridge between the action sequences.  There has to be a set piece every 15-30 minutes and getting the characters together is a basic structural challenge.  I think it's easier in a film with a bunch of main characters like The Avengers or Star Wars series when you can cut between cities or planets.  

Bad Boys all took place in a weirdly lit Miami but Bay & Co still had to have leads, romantic interests, villains and cops converge every now and then to blow stuff up.  Ideally, there's character-driven motivation for the action scenes to happen but if not, who's going to notice Tea Leoni walking into a nightclub with a gun.

 
Eephus said:
One of the things I look for when I watch an action movie is how the filmmakers bridge between the action sequences.  There has to be a set piece every 15-30 minutes and getting the characters together is a basic structural challenge.  I think it's easier in a film with a bunch of main characters like The Avengers or Star Wars series when you can cut between cities or planets.  

Bad Boys all took place in a weirdly lit Miami but Bay & Co still had to have leads, romantic interests, villains and cops converge every now and then to blow stuff up.  Ideally, there's character-driven motivation for the action scenes to happen but if not, who's going to notice Tea Leoni walking into a nightclub with a gun.
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I never thought of it that way, but from the filmmaker's point of view, I guess it makes sense. 

What I keep sticking on is the failure to let either lead (this is about the 5th time I've used the following word, so sorry about that) showcase their talent, except only a little, which is why I feel that the action/car crashes/pyrotechnics overshadowed the actors, and that formula doesn't do anything for me, and why I really don't like Michael Bay's movies in general. Just a little gravitas is all I ask...

 
I agree neither Will or Martin got to fully unleash their comic potential in Bad Boys. My guess is the 2nd and 3rd lean more Into the comedy.

 
The story for Bad Boys came from George Gallo, who wrote the buddy action classic Midnight Run.  There were three other screenwriters credited for the Bad Boys script, two of whom were gag writers for Johnny Carson and David Letterman.  The third co-writer Doug Richardson got a screenwriting credit for Die Hard 2.

 
Eephus said:
The story for Bad Boys came from George Gallo, who wrote the buddy action classic Midnight Run.  There were three other screenwriters credited for the Bad Boys script, two of whom were gag writers for Johnny Carson and David Letterman.  The third co-writer Doug Richardson got a screenwriting credit for Die Hard 2.
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And with a great comedian like Martin Lawrence, I have to wonder if they allowed for any adlibbing

 
Meanwhile Lethal Weapon was written by Shane Black who had a solid career:

LW 1 and 2

Monster Squad 

Last Action Hero

Last Boy Scout

The Long Kiss Goodnight 

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Nice Guys

 
Eephus said:
The story for Bad Boys came from George Gallo, who wrote the buddy action classic Midnight Run.  There were three other screenwriters credited for the Bad Boys script, two of whom were gag writers for Johnny Carson and David Letterman.  The third co-writer Doug Richardson got a screenwriting credit for Die Hard 2.
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Sounds like a good writing match for Will Smith and Martin Lawrence. 

 
Just a reminder we are trying a shorter schedule for May in case people are looking for a little more entertainment during the quarantining. Here is the start of May

We looked at sports movies, but I will be honest - I didn't think there were many available that were that great or might give us much to talk about.  Either over the top like Waterboy or Necessary Roughness,  ones that everybody has probably seen like Miracle.  Anyway we are going "sports adjacent" and doing a sports agent double feature! 

Discussion starting on May 11th:     Jerry Maguire + High Flying Bird    [both of these movies are on Netflix]
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Cameron Crowe vs Steven Soderbergh battle 

 
Well, Jerry Maguire got watched.   I think at the end I was happiest that Dorthy got in something besides the same mom jeans she was rockin the whole movie.  ;)

 
Ok - i will say this:  I get the draw of Jerry Maguire.  I guess I have similar feelings about it that I do Lethal Weapon.   There are some great single scenes, but overall all the mix of sports/rom-com doesn't seem to click with me.   Maybe too little of each so they took a bit away from each other a tad?  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Ok - i will say this:  I get the draw of Jerry Maguire.  I guess I have similar feelings about it that I do Lethal Weapon.   There are some great single scenes, but overall all the mix of sports/rom-com doesn't seem to click with me.   Maybe too little of each so they took a bit away from each other a tad?  
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I last saw this whenever it hit the Blockbuster shelves as a hot 2 day rental. I remember the big scenes: show me the $$$, weight of a human head, you complete me but I don't really remember anything that strings them together. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Ok - i will say this:  I get the draw of Jerry Maguire.  I guess I have similar feelings about it that I do Lethal Weapon.   There are some great single scenes, but overall all the mix of sports/rom-com doesn't seem to click with me.   Maybe too little of each so they took a bit away from each other a tad?  
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Yeah, that sounds about right.

 
Ilov80s said:
I last saw this whenever it hit the Blockbuster shelves as a hot 2 day rental. I remember the big scenes: show me the $$$, weight of a human head, you complete me but I don't really remember anything that strings them together. 
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I remember a little more than you do. I was a big Jay Mohr fan and I remember him being in this. I always thought he would achieve more success than he did. I like his story telling style and his impressions were fantastic. I guess he may have been a victim of being a #### and stealing material from what I have heard. That's a shame because I think he was really good.

 
prosopis said:
I remember a little more than you do. I was a big Jay Mohr fan and I remember him being in this. I always thought he would achieve more success than he did. I like his story telling style and his impressions were fantastic. I guess he may have been a victim of being a #### and stealing material from what I have heard. That's a shame because I think he was really good.
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Yeah, I love Bob Sugar.    

Actually I think Rene is a slam dunk in this movie.  Just the more I think about it, I just don't think Cruise is a rom/com love interest type of guy.  Charismatic a hell and you 100% buy into him as lawyers, sports agents, covert agents, but IMO he is not the best at playing an everyman or a romance lead.   Yes, I get that part of the point is that they don't have a ton of chemistry, but I think people are getting what I am trying to say. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Yeah, I love Bob Sugar.    

Actually I think Rene is a slam dunk in this movie.  Just the more I think about it, I just don't think Cruise is a rom/com love interest type of guy.  Charismatic a hell and you 100% buy into him as lawyers, sports agents, covert agents, but IMO he is not the best at playing an everyman or a romance lead.   Yes, I get that part of the point is that they don't have a ton of chemistry, but I think people are getting what I am trying to say. 
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It's because you can see the gay on him. 

ool

 
Ilov80s said:
Meanwhile Lethal Weapon was written by Shane Black who had a solid career:

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
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Way too meta and I used to love meta when I saw it. Just too cool for its own good, and I really wanted to like the movie as I like every actor and actress in it. Still an okay flick, but as I said, maybe way-too self-referential and into citing movie tropes for its own good. 

 
rockaction said:
Way too meta and I used to love meta when I saw it. Just too cool for its own good, and I really wanted to like the movie as I like every actor and actress in it. Still an okay flick, but as I said, maybe way-too self-referential and into citing movie tropes for its own good. 
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Wasn't my favorite either. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Yeah, I love Bob Sugar.    

Actually I think Rene is a slam dunk in this movie.  Just the more I think about it, I just don't think Cruise is a rom/com love interest type of guy.  Charismatic a hell and you 100% buy into him as lawyers, sports agents, covert agents, but IMO he is not the best at playing an everyman or a romance lead.   Yes, I get that part of the point is that they don't have a ton of chemistry, but I think people are getting what I am trying to say. 
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Haven't seen JM in years, but I recall their romance being really odd/uneven. Like I felt it was supposed to be "bang, THIS is the person i'm supposed to be with", but it never really did that. And I seem to remember Renee's mother (or was it older sister) weirdly involved in the mix, not romantically but still kind of there. Anyway, we'll see how I feel when I watch it again for the club.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Lol.  I guess so.  
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Did you finish All The Light We Can Not See? Wasn't it incredible? 

KarmaPolice said:
Also speaking of Hulu, and I think it was @krista4 asked me to post if I saw it, AND I think most who will enjoy it in the general movie thread are in here anyway - Portrait of a Lady on Fire is an absolutely stunning movie.  Not sure I could say a negative thing, everything was brilliant.  It would fit into last month's movies as well - written/directed by a woman and probably could pull a couple similar themes like having a lingering dread about reintegrating with society.   Acting was fantastic, as was the cinematography.   

Not an aples to apples, but it reminded me a bit of Phantom Thread, but mostly in the sense of how great it looks, well acted, period drama about relationships, with very few characters in the movie.   I think there are a handful of you in here that will really love this movie.  IMDB has it listed as 2019, but I am assuming it didn't make the cutoff for Oscars.  If that is not the case, it absolutely blows mind that it wasn't nominated for anything.  I would probably give this the nod over Parasite for International Feature.  Again, this might all get fixed this year if it didn't have a release in the states until 2020.  

I would love to hear more thoughts in either thread by people who have seen it, especially the ending sequences.  If I had to take a stab, I would say at least 5-6 of you should bump this way up the queue if you have Hulu.  
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So I put in my 4k scan The Searchers Blu Ray and I feel like the outdoor day scenes which have this striking color are surprisingly similar between the two movies. Blues bordering on the pastel. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Did you finish All The Light We Can Not See? Wasn't it incredible? 

So I put in my 4k scan The Searchers Blu Ray and I feel like the outdoor day scenes which have this striking color are surprisingly similar between the two movies. Blues bordering on the pastel. 
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It was a fantastic book.  

Now I am taking it light with a small pile of time travel books.  

 
i'd appreciate some encouraging words - tonite i shall endure three of the most distractingly bad actors of the modern era in my rewatch of a movie sprung from the mind of the creator of Almost Famous for the sake of community fandom. pray for me -

 
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