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FBG'S TOP 81 LED ZEPPELIN SONGS: #1 - When The Levee Breaks from Led Zeppelin IV (1971) (1 Viewer)

#45 - Custard Pie from Physical Graffiti (1975)

Appeared On: 14 ballots (out of 62) . . . 22.6%
Total Points: 133 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . .  8.58%)
5 Highest Rankers: @neal cassady@dhockster@In The Zone@joffer@ConstruxBoy
Highest Ranking: 10

Live Performances:
LZ: 1
Page & Plant: 8 (Tokyo - 1996-02-13)
Plant: 14 (Frankfurt - 2015-07-29)
Page: 30 (Syracuse - 1988-04-11)
JP & Black Crowes: 9 (Unknown)

Notable Covers: LA Guns, Derek Trucks, HelmetFoo Fighters, Eric Gales

Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 48
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 57
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): Not Ranked
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 50
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 29
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 49
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 62
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 54
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 24

@shuke has decided to join the fun. There are still 5 people waiting for their names to be called.

The first track from Physical Graffiti, Custard Pie revs up the album with a raucous start. The song is filled with double entendre and innuendo throughout. I wonder if such a song would gain much popularity if it were released today given the world and social climate we live in. It started out called Dropped Down Mama. It joins several other songs which associate pie and women including The Beatles - Wild Honey Pie, The Four Tops - I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch), and Warrant - Cherry Pie.

John Paul Jones recorded and produced a funk album with American soul singer Madeline Bell, Comin' Atcha to end 1973. The idea for the Custard Pie riff extended over from this period from a jam session, with the Led Zep deciding to record a funk song when they reconvened for rehearsals and recording in 1974.

The song borrowedfrom / was inspired / was heavily influenced by:

Drop Down Mama by Sleepy John Estes
Help Me by Sonny Boy Williamson
Shake ‘Em On Down by Bukka White
Custard Pie Blues by Brown McGhee
I Want Some Of Your Pie by Blind Boy Fuller

Jones played an electric Hohner Clavinet D6 for the recording while guitarist Jimmy Page used his 1959 Gibson Les Paul Standard, and a Vox Crybaby Wah Wah pedal with an ARP synthesizer for his solo. Singer Robert Plant plays harmonica, while his lyrics include assorted standard blues phrases.

Rough MixAlternate Version

Custard Pie was rehearsed for the 1975 North American tour but was not performed live during the band’s initial run. It was, however, played at Jason Bonham’s wedding reception in 1990. During the 1980s, Plant included a verse of the song as part of his final chorus in the live version of Tall Cool One. Page performed the song live for his 1988 Outrider tour and recorded a version with the Black Crowes on the 1999 album Live at the Greek.

Ultimate Classic Rock (48 of 92 songs): The opening track on Physical Graffiti pretty much distills the double album into four-and-a-half snaky minutes. There's clavinet, a wah-wah-powered solo and a hoarse Plant towering above it all.

Vulture (out of 74 songs): Why this track led off Graffiti, an important moment for the band, is a mystery. The production is indifferent, lacking the arresting crispness of the band’s better work. The lyrics? A mess of blues posturings, some of them stolen.

Louder (50 of 50 songs): There's a compelling case to be made that Physical Graffiti is the greatest double album ever recorded. Led Zep's sixth studio recording, there’s a feral mystery to it even today – and opener Custard Pie lets us know what we’re in for. Its menacing, salacious riff is driven by intoxicating dirty blues, while the unapologetic mutant funk rhythm section of Bonzo Bonham and John Paul Jones buffalos a path through the fray. Wha-wha clavinet snakes around razor-sharp guitars, while Robert Johnson, chicken blood and smoking valve amps are all invoked and teleported into leafy Barnes’ Olympic Studio 2. It’s aural carnage – in the best possible way.

Uproxx (29 of 50 songs): Lest this list get too saccharine, we’re doing a hard pivot into a song that is unabashedly about female genitalia. Yes, this is crude, but Zeppelin was standing on the shoulders of giants, referencing similar pie metaphors from bluesmen like Blind Boy Fuller and Brownie McGhee. Plus, this song is an excellent example of the connection between Page and Bonham, in which the latter closely follows the former in order to create one of the most gloriously bombastic Side 1, Track 1’s ever.

WMGK (49 of 92 songs): John Paul Jones and his clavinet makes its first appearance on the opening track of ‘Physical Graffiti,’ but it wouldn’t be the last, and the best was yet to come. As for the lyrics, it doesn’t take a cunning linguist to figure out what this one’s about. 

SPIN (62 of 87 songs): The most underwhelming of Zep’s eight album-opening tracks — more of a credit to the other seven than a knock on the suitably funky “Pie” — but perhaps the most enthusiastic song about cunnilingus (“Chew on a piece of your custard pie!”) ever performed by someone not named Lil Wayne.

In the on deck circle, one of only two Led Zeppelin songs Jimmy Page had no hand in writing.
My rank: 20

My friend’s rank: None

This is another one I included on my 1975 countdown:

“In the mid '70s, there was a lot of "boogie rock" going on (Grand Funk Railroad, Foghat, etc.). Here, on Physical's opener, the masters showed us how it's done. John Paul Jones' clavinet work and Jimmy Page's guitar solo elevate this far above its silly lyrics and pedestrian basic structure and offer a tantalizing hint of what's to come over the next 90 minutes.”

 
#45 - Custard Pie from Physical Graffiti (1975)

Appeared On: 14 ballots (out of 62) . . . 22.6%
Total Points: 133 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . .  8.58%)
5 Highest Rankers: @neal cassady@dhockster@In The Zone@joffer@ConstruxBoy
Highest Ranking: 10

Live Performances:
LZ: 1
Page & Plant: 8 (Tokyo - 1996-02-13)
Plant: 14 (Frankfurt - 2015-07-29)
Page: 30 (Syracuse - 1988-04-11)
JP & Black Crowes: 9 (Unknown)

Notable Covers: LA Guns, Derek Trucks, HelmetFoo Fighters, Eric Gales

Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 48
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 57
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): Not Ranked
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 50
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 29
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 49
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 62
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 54
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 24

@shuke has decided to join the fun. There are still 5 people waiting for their names to be called.

The first track from Physical Graffiti, Custard Pie revs up the album with a raucous start. The song is filled with double entendre and innuendo throughout. I wonder if such a song would gain much popularity if it were released today given the world and social climate we live in. It started out called Dropped Down Mama. It joins several other songs which associate pie and women including The Beatles - Wild Honey Pie, The Four Tops - I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch), and Warrant - Cherry Pie.

John Paul Jones recorded and produced a funk album with American soul singer Madeline Bell, Comin' Atcha to end 1973. The idea for the Custard Pie riff extended over from this period from a jam session, with the Led Zep deciding to record a funk song when they reconvened for rehearsals and recording in 1974.

The song borrowedfrom / was inspired / was heavily influenced by:

Drop Down Mama by Sleepy John Estes
Help Me by Sonny Boy Williamson
Shake ‘Em On Down by Bukka White
Custard Pie Blues by Brown McGhee
I Want Some Of Your Pie by Blind Boy Fuller

Jones played an electric Hohner Clavinet D6 for the recording while guitarist Jimmy Page used his 1959 Gibson Les Paul Standard, and a Vox Crybaby Wah Wah pedal with an ARP synthesizer for his solo. Singer Robert Plant plays harmonica, while his lyrics include assorted standard blues phrases.

Rough MixAlternate Version

Custard Pie was rehearsed for the 1975 North American tour but was not performed live during the band’s initial run. It was, however, played at Jason Bonham’s wedding reception in 1990. During the 1980s, Plant included a verse of the song as part of his final chorus in the live version of Tall Cool One. Page performed the song live for his 1988 Outrider tour and recorded a version with the Black Crowes on the 1999 album Live at the Greek.

Ultimate Classic Rock (48 of 92 songs): The opening track on Physical Graffiti pretty much distills the double album into four-and-a-half snaky minutes. There's clavinet, a wah-wah-powered solo and a hoarse Plant towering above it all.

Vulture (out of 74 songs): Why this track led off Graffiti, an important moment for the band, is a mystery. The production is indifferent, lacking the arresting crispness of the band’s better work. The lyrics? A mess of blues posturings, some of them stolen.

Louder (50 of 50 songs): There's a compelling case to be made that Physical Graffiti is the greatest double album ever recorded. Led Zep's sixth studio recording, there’s a feral mystery to it even today – and opener Custard Pie lets us know what we’re in for. Its menacing, salacious riff is driven by intoxicating dirty blues, while the unapologetic mutant funk rhythm section of Bonzo Bonham and John Paul Jones buffalos a path through the fray. Wha-wha clavinet snakes around razor-sharp guitars, while Robert Johnson, chicken blood and smoking valve amps are all invoked and teleported into leafy Barnes’ Olympic Studio 2. It’s aural carnage – in the best possible way.

Uproxx (29 of 50 songs): Lest this list get too saccharine, we’re doing a hard pivot into a song that is unabashedly about female genitalia. Yes, this is crude, but Zeppelin was standing on the shoulders of giants, referencing similar pie metaphors from bluesmen like Blind Boy Fuller and Brownie McGhee. Plus, this song is an excellent example of the connection between Page and Bonham, in which the latter closely follows the former in order to create one of the most gloriously bombastic Side 1, Track 1’s ever.

WMGK (49 of 92 songs): John Paul Jones and his clavinet makes its first appearance on the opening track of ‘Physical Graffiti,’ but it wouldn’t be the last, and the best was yet to come. As for the lyrics, it doesn’t take a cunning linguist to figure out what this one’s about. 

SPIN (62 of 87 songs): The most underwhelming of Zep’s eight album-opening tracks — more of a credit to the other seven than a knock on the suitably funky “Pie” — but perhaps the most enthusiastic song about cunnilingus (“Chew on a piece of your custard pie!”) ever performed by someone not named Lil Wayne.

In the on deck circle, one of only two Led Zeppelin songs Jimmy Page had no hand in writing.
Great song. I loved it from the first time I heard it. 

 
It’s very good in album context and great for the occasional drunk radio sing-along, though maybe not so much filtered into Sean Kingston bubblegum hits.
I drafted Sean Kingston's "Beautiful Girls" in Genrepalooza. It's a fine bubblegum song, and something people would do well to emulate, thank you very much. 

D'Yer Mak'er was always a pleasant song. I liked the laid back beat and guitar work. The song is fun and breezy like an island drink.  
Spin's reference to Sean Kingston was an allusion to his ripoff of the D'yer Mak'er riff in "Me Love".

(Actually I can't really call it a "ripoff" since Zep is listed in the songwriting credits and presumably gets their fair share of royalties for the song.)

 
Chew on a piece of your custard pie...

That makes more sense than what I thought he was singing. I thought it was something like:

To many people you're justified.

:doh:

 
Spin's reference to Sean Kingston was an allusion to his ripoff of the D'yer Mak'er riff in "Me Love".

(Actually I can't really call it a "ripoff" since Zep is listed in the songwriting credits and presumably gets their fair share of royalties for the song.)
And it is indeed actually really cringeworthy and awful upon first blush. Thanks for pointing me to it, though. Wouldn't have known that is what they were referring to. 

 
#44 - All My Love from In Through The Out Door (1979)

Appeared On: 17 ballots (out of 62) . . . 27.4%
Total Points: 135 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . .  8.71%)
5 Highest Rankers: @Tom Servo@worrierking@BroncoFreak_2K3friend, @2Young2BBald@neal cassady
Highest Ranking: 8

Live Performances:
LZ: 13 (Dortmund – 1980-06-17 (First Performance)Berlin – 1980-07-07 (Final Performance))

Plant: 1 (Santa Barbara – 2011-04-25) <-- Different arrangement

Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 34
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 10
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): 39
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 21
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 40
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 31
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 59
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 34
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 65

A hearty welcome to @worrierking @Getzlaf15 and @Binky The Doormat, all of whom have just suited up and have gone into battle. That leaves just two people left with no songs in the rankings yet. All our external rankers had All My Love ranked, including Vulture slotting it in their Top 10.

The song was initially called “The Hook,” and JPJ composed the music while Plant wrote the lyrics as a tribute to his late son Karac. It is a moving tribute from a father to the child he lost. This was one of two compositions that Page was not involved in the writing and development process (the other being South Bound Saurez). Initially the song had was longer with another guitar solo at the end to close out the song before it got pared down.

After a show in Oakland on 1977-07-26, news came out that Plant's five-year-old son, Karac had died from a stomach virus. The week before, his daughter Carmen was treated for acute gastroenteritis. Karac apparently also suffered from it, but it had gone undiagnosed. Only drummer John Bonham attended the funeral (which infuriated Plant). A disappointed Plant said, “Maybe they don’t have as much respect for me as I do for them. Maybe they’re not the friends I thought they were.” Tensions in the band were at an all-time high, and Plant thought about breaking up the band because of it.

The remaining 11 dates of the North American tour were cancelled. The tour had already had multiple issues. The tour kickoff had to be rescheduled by a month due to Plant coming down with laryngitis. No one knew it at the time, but the show in Oakland turned out to be Zeppelin’s final performance in the Unites States.

Jones utilized ABBA’s synthesizer for the solo in the middle section. Even with all the pain and emotion the song invoked in Plant, it is believed he cut his vocals in a single take. Page never really liked the song and thought it was too pop, “I was a little worried about the chorus. I could just imagine people doing the wave and all of that. And I thought ‘That’s not us.’ In its place it was fine, but I wouldn’t have wanted to pursue that direction in the future.”

The band was always quirky about not wanting to release singles, but All My Love was issued as a single in Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, and Peru (with Hot Dog as the B-side in some of those locales). Biographer Nigel Williamson described the song as "underpinned by a semi-classical arrangement of the kind of popular music at the time with the likes of Genesis and ELO.” The song barely had a chance to be performed live (13 times to kick off their 1980 tour of Europe). Page & Plant never performed the full song but would sometimes play a piece of it in medleys. Plant only has played it once.

In Through The Out Door ended up being the band’s final album as Bonham died in 1980. For all of Plant’s disdain for reforming the band, there was a time when it actually happened. Just prior to Live Aid, drummer Tony Thompson (at that point touring in Power Station) received a call out of the blue from Page and Plant asking if he would play with them at Live Aid. With Power Station already on the bill, it was a no brainer. The day of Live Aid, they had one brief rehearsal before Thompson performed with the band (along with Phil Collins). That was the only warm up the band had. The other guys hadn’t played together in 5 years. Their performance was nowhere near as good as their previous gigs. Plant called their performance “horrendous.”

But the story continues from there. The following year, Page, Plant, Jones, and Thompson got together with the intent on bringing back Led Zeppelin. They secretly got together in a music hall in the middle of nowhere in rural England and started working together. Page had just finished recording the second album with The Firm. They rehearsed and jammed together for a full week. Everything changed when Thompson was involved in a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized.

The others briefly kept at it without a drummer. One of Plant’s roadies eventually stepped in to play. Without Thompson, the sessions lost momentum and the reunion fizzled. Page ran out of time and had to go tour with The Firm. Plant ended up starting work on the Now and Zen album (which was a little more rock oriented than some of his earlier solo work). After a lengthy recovery, Thompson caught on with Rod Stewart to drum on his next album. Who knows what would have happened had Thompson not gotten into that car accident. But it set the foundation that Page and Plant still had an interest in working together.

Ultimate Classic Rock (34 of 92 songs): One of Led Zeppelin's best love songs isn't a love song at all but a tribute to Plant's late son, who died in 1977 at age 5. Page was fighting a heroin addiction at the time, so his input is minimal. But Plant delivers one of his best, and most emotional, vocals.

Vulture (10 of 74 songs):  A year after the release of In Through the Out Door, the band’s seventh studio album, drummer John Bonham died, choking to death on his own vomit after a heroic day of drinking at Jimmy Page’s mansion. It was a fitting end for this not-quite-human. To their credit, the other band members never considered moving forward. There was a wan, highly uninteresting album of outtakes, Coda, and in the nearly 40 years since, but a small handful of instances where the three members played on the same stage at the same time. In the context of the never-ending, highly commercialized retirements we’ve seen from greedy coevals like the Who and the Grateful Dead, that counts for something. But it also meant that the band never had the chance to grow old and start to suck. I go into all this to point out that In Through the Out Door is a remarkable work by a band of their age, and on this song and several others, you can see the entire band moving forward toward a more mature music, past the thudding guitars and preening sexism. This song, written by Jones and Plant, is case in point. You could have imagined Led Zeppelin growing old playing such music; delicate and somehow meaningful, with touches of the old grandeur, all put to the words of a serious song, a tribute to Plant’s young son, who died in a car accident. I hear the sound of musicians having passed the point of needing to overwhelm their listeners. I hear a musician having passed the point of needing to overwhelm his listeners. John Paul Jones contributes a somber keyboard interlude, and then you can hear him and his master Page duet.

Rolling Stone (39 of 40 songs):  With a winding synthesizer solo by Jones, the majestic "All My Love" is one of only two Zeppelin songs not written or co-written by Page. It's Plant's mystical tribute to his son Karac, who died in 1977 at age five. According to a friend, Page "hated 'All My Love,' but because it was about Karac, he couldn't criticize it."

Louder (21 of 50 songs): All My Love is plain beautiful. With Page notably absent from the songwriting credits, Plant offers a paean to his deceased son in a song steeped in fond remembrance. But you can’t help but giggle at the way Bonzo tries to heavy it up about halfway through. Page takes a noodling role, but unlike some of his other more meandering interludes, this time it’s somehow to the benefit of the track, not its detriment. Plant is on top form as he whispers the emotionally-charged words: ‘All of my love… to you now.’

Uproxx (40 of 50 songs): Zeppelin stuck to the “no singles” policy even in the twilight of their career, when they made their most obvious pop song ever with “All My Love” from 1979’s In Through The Out Door. This was the period when Page was so zonked out that Plant turned to Jones as his new primary collaborator, which explains the lack of guitar and the abundance of synths and songs about carouselambras. In the Hoskyns book, rock photographer and Page’s guy Friday Ross Halfin claims that Jimmy hates this song, “but because it was about Karac” — Plant’s 5-year-old son who died in 1977 of a stomach virus – “he couldn’t criticize it.”

WMGK (31 of 92 songs): In the realm of songs about loss, this one doesn’t get enough of its due. A tribute to Plant’s 5-year-old son, Karac, who died from a stomach virus, “All My Love” is as beautiful as it is devastating. 

SPIN (59 of 87 songs): Another one of Zeppelin’s more divisive hits — even the band itself was split on it, with Page and Bonham both considering it “a little soft.” They weren’t wrong, certainly: “Love” has the band’s most pandering chorus (“All of my love to you, child”) and a JPJ synth solo where Page would normally find himself in takeover mode. It has its place, though, and as a tribute to Plant’s son — who died tragically at age five a couple years earlier — it’s hard to argue with too much.

The wheels of ranking roll slowly, but we travel to a non-album track for our next song.

 
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#44 - All My Love from In Through The Out Door (1979)

Appeared On: 17 ballots (out of 62) . . . 27.4%
Total Points: 135 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . .  8.71%)
5 Highest Rankers: @Tom Servo@worrierking@BroncoFreak_2K3friend, @2Young2BBald@neal cassady
Highest Ranking: 8

Live Performances:
LZ: 13 (Dortmund – 1980-06-17 (First Performance)Berlin – 1980-07-07 (Final Performance))

Plant: 1 (Santa Barbara – 2011-04-25) <-- Different arrangement

Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 34
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 10
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): 39
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 21
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 40
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 31
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 59
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 34
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 65

A hearty welcome to @worrierking @Getzlaf15 and @Binky The Doormat, all of whom have just suited up and have gone into battle. That leaves just two people left with no songs in the rankings yet. All our external rankers had All My Love ranked, including Vulture slotting it in their Top 10.

The song was initially called “The Hook,” and JPJ composed the music while Plant wrote the lyrics as a tribute to his late son Karac. It is a moving tribute from a father to the child he lost. This was one of two compositions that Page was not involved in the writing and development process (the other being South Bound Saurez). Initially the song had was longer with another guitar solo at the end to close out the song before it got pared down.

After a show in Oakland on 1977-07-26, news came out that Plant's five-year-old son, Karac had died from a stomach virus. The week before, his daughter Carmen was treated for acute gastroenteritis. Karac apparently also suffered from it, but it had gone undiagnosed. Only drummer John Bonham attended the funeral (which infuriated Plant). A disappointed Plant said, “Maybe they don’t have as much respect for me as I do for them. Maybe they’re not the friends I thought they were.” Tensions in the band were at an all-time high, and Plant thought about breaking up the band because of it.

The remaining 11 dates of the North American tour were cancelled. The tour had already had multiple issues. The tour kickoff had to be rescheduled by a month due to Plant coming down with laryngitis. No one knew it at the time, but the show in Oakland turned out to be Zeppelin’s final performance in the Unites States.

Jones utilized ABBA’s synthesizer for the solo in the middle section. Even with all the pain and emotion the song invoked in Plant, it is believed he cut his vocals in a single take. Page never really liked the song and thought it was too pop, “I was a little worried about the chorus. I could just imagine people doing the wave and all of that. And I thought ‘That’s not us.’ In its place it was fine, but I wouldn’t have wanted to pursue that direction in the future.”

The band was always quirky about not wanting to release singles, but All My Love was issued as a single in Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, and Peru (with Hot Dog as the B-side in some of those locales). Biographer Nigel Williamson described the song as "underpinned by a semi-classical arrangement of the kind of popular music at the time with the likes of Genesis and ELO.” The song barely had a chance to be performed live (13 times to kick off their 1980 tour of Europe). Page & Plant never performed the full song but would sometimes play a piece of it in medleys. Plant only has played it once.

In Through The Out Door ended up being the band’s final album as Bonham died in 1980. For all of Plant’s disdain for reforming the band, there was a time when it actually happened. Just prior to Live Aid, drummer Tony Thompson (at that point touring in Power Station) received a call out of the blue from Page and Plant asking if he would play with them at Live Aid. With Power Station already on the bill, it was a no brainer. The day of Live Aid, they had one brief rehearsal before Thompson performed with the band (along with Phil Collins). That was the only warm up the band had. The other guys hadn’t played together in 5 years. Their performance was nowhere near as good as their previous gigs. Plant called their performance “horrendous.”

But the story continues from there. The following year, Page, Plant, Jones, and Thompson got together with the intent on bringing back Led Zeppelin. They secretly got together in a music hall in the middle of nowhere in rural England and started working together. Page had just finished recording the second album with The Firm. They rehearsed and jammed together for a full week. Everything changed when Thompson was involved in a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized.

The others briefly kept at it without a drummer. One of Plant’s roadies eventually stepped in to play. Without Thompson, the sessions lost momentum and the reunion fizzled. Page ran out of time and had to go tour with The Firm. Plant ended up starting work on the Now and Zen album (which was a little more rock oriented than some of his earlier solo work). After a lengthy recovery, Thompson caught on with Rod Stewart to drum on his next album. Who knows what would have happened had Thompson not gotten into that car accident. But it set the foundation that Page and Plant still had an interest in working together.

Ultimate Classic Rock (34 of 92 songs): One of Led Zeppelin's best love songs isn't a love song at all but a tribute to Plant's late son, who died in 1977 at age 5. Page was fighting a heroin addiction at the time, so his input is minimal. But Plant delivers one of his best, and most emotional, vocals.

Vulture (10 of 74 songs):  A year after the release of In Through the Out Door, the band’s seventh studio album, drummer John Bonham died, choking to death on his own vomit after a heroic day of drinking at Jimmy Page’s mansion. It was a fitting end for this not-quite-human. To their credit, the other band members never considered moving forward. There was a wan, highly uninteresting album of outtakes, Coda, and in the nearly 40 years since, but a small handful of instances where the three members played on the same stage at the same time. In the context of the never-ending, highly commercialized retirements we’ve seen from greedy coevals like the Who and the Grateful Dead, that counts for something. But it also meant that the band never had the chance to grow old and start to suck. I go into all this to point out that In Through the Out Door is a remarkable work by a band of their age, and on this song and several others, you can see the entire band moving forward toward a more mature music, past the thudding guitars and preening sexism. This song, written by Jones and Plant, is case in point. You could have imagined Led Zeppelin growing old playing such music; delicate and somehow meaningful, with touches of the old grandeur, all put to the words of a serious song, a tribute to Plant’s young son, who died in a car accident. I hear the sound of musicians having passed the point of needing to overwhelm their listeners. I hear a musician having passed the point of needing to overwhelm his listeners. John Paul Jones contributes a somber keyboard interlude, and then you can hear him and his master Page duet.

Rolling Stone (39 of 40 songs):  With a winding synthesizer solo by Jones, the majestic "All My Love" is one of only two Zeppelin songs not written or co-written by Page. It's Plant's mystical tribute to his son Karac, who died in 1977 at age five. According to a friend, Page "hated 'All My Love,' but because it was about Karac, he couldn't criticize it."

Louder (21 of 50 songs): All My Love is plain beautiful. With Page notably absent from the songwriting credits, Plant offers a paean to his deceased son in a song steeped in fond remembrance. But you can’t help but giggle at the way Bonzo tries to heavy it up about halfway through. Page takes a noodling role, but unlike some of his other more meandering interludes, this time it’s somehow to the benefit of the track, not its detriment. Plant is on top form as he whispers the emotionally-charged words: ‘All of my love… to you now.’

Uproxx (40 of 50 songs): Zeppelin stuck to the “no singles” policy even in the twilight of their career, when they made their most obvious pop song ever with “All My Love” from 1979’s In Through The Out Door. This was the period when Page was so zonked out that Plant turned to Jones as his new primary collaborator, which explains the lack of guitar and the abundance of synths and songs about carouselambras. In the Hoskyns book, rock photographer and Page’s guy Friday Ross Halfin claims that Jimmy hates this song, “but because it was about Karac” — Plant’s 5-year-old son who died in 1977 of a stomach virus – “he couldn’t criticize it.”

WMGK (31 of 92 songs): In the realm of songs about loss, this one doesn’t get enough of its due. A tribute to Plant’s 5-year-old son, Karac, who died from a stomach virus, “All My Love” is as beautiful as it is devastating. 

SPIN (59 of 87 songs): Another one of Zeppelin’s more divisive hits — even the band itself was split on it, with Page and Bonham both considering it “a little soft.” They weren’t wrong, certainly: “Love” has the band’s most pandering chorus (“All of my love to you, child”) and a JPJ synth solo where Page would normally find himself in takeover mode. It has its place, though, and as a tribute to Plant’s son — who died tragically at age five a couple years earlier — it’s hard to argue with too much.

The wheels of ranking roll slowly, but we travel to a non-album track for our next song.
This is a very polarizing song, but I love it and always have. It may be their most emotional work. I considered it for my top 25 but it didn’t make the cut. Plant’s vocal and the synth solo are great, and Page does well in a subtle and supportive role, which was unusual for him.

 
This is a very polarizing song, but I love it and always have. It may be their most emotional work. I considered it for my top 25 but it didn’t make the cut. Plant’s vocal and the synth solo are great, and Page does well in a subtle and supportive role, which was unusual for him.
It’s almost new-wavish sounding and holds up great today.  Always loved this song.

 
#44 - All My Love from In Through The Out Door (1979)

Appeared On: 17 ballots (out of 62) . . . 27.4%
Total Points: 135 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . .  8.71%)
5 Highest Rankers: @Tom Servo@worrierking@BroncoFreak_2K3friend, @2Young2BBald@neal cassady
Highest Ranking: 8

Live Performances:
LZ: 13 (Dortmund – 1980-06-17 (First Performance)Berlin – 1980-07-07 (Final Performance))

Plant: 1 (Santa Barbara – 2011-04-25) <-- Different arrangement

Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 34
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 10
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): 39
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 21
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 40
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 31
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 59
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 34
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 65

A hearty welcome to @worrierking @Getzlaf15 and @Binky The Doormat, all of whom have just suited up and have gone into battle. That leaves just two people left with no songs in the rankings yet. All our external rankers had All My Love ranked, including Vulture slotting it in their Top 10.

The song was initially called “The Hook,” and JPJ composed the music while Plant wrote the lyrics as a tribute to his late son Karac. It is a moving tribute from a father to the child he lost. This was one of two compositions that Page was not involved in the writing and development process (the other being South Bound Saurez). Initially the song had was longer with another guitar solo at the end to close out the song before it got pared down.

After a show in Oakland on 1977-07-26, news came out that Plant's five-year-old son, Karac had died from a stomach virus. The week before, his daughter Carmen was treated for acute gastroenteritis. Karac apparently also suffered from it, but it had gone undiagnosed. Only drummer John Bonham attended the funeral (which infuriated Plant). A disappointed Plant said, “Maybe they don’t have as much respect for me as I do for them. Maybe they’re not the friends I thought they were.” Tensions in the band were at an all-time high, and Plant thought about breaking up the band because of it.

The remaining 11 dates of the North American tour were cancelled. The tour had already had multiple issues. The tour kickoff had to be rescheduled by a month due to Plant coming down with laryngitis. No one knew it at the time, but the show in Oakland turned out to be Zeppelin’s final performance in the Unites States.

Jones utilized ABBA’s synthesizer for the solo in the middle section. Even with all the pain and emotion the song invoked in Plant, it is believed he cut his vocals in a single take. Page never really liked the song and thought it was too pop, “I was a little worried about the chorus. I could just imagine people doing the wave and all of that. And I thought ‘That’s not us.’ In its place it was fine, but I wouldn’t have wanted to pursue that direction in the future.”

The band was always quirky about not wanting to release singles, but All My Love was issued as a single in Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, and Peru (with Hot Dog as the B-side in some of those locales). Biographer Nigel Williamson described the song as "underpinned by a semi-classical arrangement of the kind of popular music at the time with the likes of Genesis and ELO.” The song barely had a chance to be performed live (13 times to kick off their 1980 tour of Europe). Page & Plant never performed the full song but would sometimes play a piece of it in medleys. Plant only has played it once.

In Through The Out Door ended up being the band’s final album as Bonham died in 1980. For all of Plant’s disdain for reforming the band, there was a time when it actually happened. Just prior to Live Aid, drummer Tony Thompson (at that point touring in Power Station) received a call out of the blue from Page and Plant asking if he would play with them at Live Aid. With Power Station already on the bill, it was a no brainer. The day of Live Aid, they had one brief rehearsal before Thompson performed with the band (along with Phil Collins). That was the only warm up the band had. The other guys hadn’t played together in 5 years. Their performance was nowhere near as good as their previous gigs. Plant called their performance “horrendous.”

But the story continues from there. The following year, Page, Plant, Jones, and Thompson got together with the intent on bringing back Led Zeppelin. They secretly got together in a music hall in the middle of nowhere in rural England and started working together. Page had just finished recording the second album with The Firm. They rehearsed and jammed together for a full week. Everything changed when Thompson was involved in a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized.

The others briefly kept at it without a drummer. One of Plant’s roadies eventually stepped in to play. Without Thompson, the sessions lost momentum and the reunion fizzled. Page ran out of time and had to go tour with The Firm. Plant ended up starting work on the Now and Zen album (which was a little more rock oriented than some of his earlier solo work). After a lengthy recovery, Thompson caught on with Rod Stewart to drum on his next album. Who knows what would have happened had Thompson not gotten into that car accident. But it set the foundation that Page and Plant still had an interest in working together.

Ultimate Classic Rock (34 of 92 songs): One of Led Zeppelin's best love songs isn't a love song at all but a tribute to Plant's late son, who died in 1977 at age 5. Page was fighting a heroin addiction at the time, so his input is minimal. But Plant delivers one of his best, and most emotional, vocals.

Vulture (10 of 74 songs):  A year after the release of In Through the Out Door, the band’s seventh studio album, drummer John Bonham died, choking to death on his own vomit after a heroic day of drinking at Jimmy Page’s mansion. It was a fitting end for this not-quite-human. To their credit, the other band members never considered moving forward. There was a wan, highly uninteresting album of outtakes, Coda, and in the nearly 40 years since, but a small handful of instances where the three members played on the same stage at the same time. In the context of the never-ending, highly commercialized retirements we’ve seen from greedy coevals like the Who and the Grateful Dead, that counts for something. But it also meant that the band never had the chance to grow old and start to suck. I go into all this to point out that In Through the Out Door is a remarkable work by a band of their age, and on this song and several others, you can see the entire band moving forward toward a more mature music, past the thudding guitars and preening sexism. This song, written by Jones and Plant, is case in point. You could have imagined Led Zeppelin growing old playing such music; delicate and somehow meaningful, with touches of the old grandeur, all put to the words of a serious song, a tribute to Plant’s young son, who died in a car accident. I hear the sound of musicians having passed the point of needing to overwhelm their listeners. I hear a musician having passed the point of needing to overwhelm his listeners. John Paul Jones contributes a somber keyboard interlude, and then you can hear him and his master Page duet.

Rolling Stone (39 of 40 songs):  With a winding synthesizer solo by Jones, the majestic "All My Love" is one of only two Zeppelin songs not written or co-written by Page. It's Plant's mystical tribute to his son Karac, who died in 1977 at age five. According to a friend, Page "hated 'All My Love,' but because it was about Karac, he couldn't criticize it."

Louder (21 of 50 songs): All My Love is plain beautiful. With Page notably absent from the songwriting credits, Plant offers a paean to his deceased son in a song steeped in fond remembrance. But you can’t help but giggle at the way Bonzo tries to heavy it up about halfway through. Page takes a noodling role, but unlike some of his other more meandering interludes, this time it’s somehow to the benefit of the track, not its detriment. Plant is on top form as he whispers the emotionally-charged words: ‘All of my love… to you now.’

Uproxx (40 of 50 songs): Zeppelin stuck to the “no singles” policy even in the twilight of their career, when they made their most obvious pop song ever with “All My Love” from 1979’s In Through The Out Door. This was the period when Page was so zonked out that Plant turned to Jones as his new primary collaborator, which explains the lack of guitar and the abundance of synths and songs about carouselambras. In the Hoskyns book, rock photographer and Page’s guy Friday Ross Halfin claims that Jimmy hates this song, “but because it was about Karac” — Plant’s 5-year-old son who died in 1977 of a stomach virus – “he couldn’t criticize it.”

WMGK (31 of 92 songs): In the realm of songs about loss, this one doesn’t get enough of its due. A tribute to Plant’s 5-year-old son, Karac, who died from a stomach virus, “All My Love” is as beautiful as it is devastating. 

SPIN (59 of 87 songs): Another one of Zeppelin’s more divisive hits — even the band itself was split on it, with Page and Bonham both considering it “a little soft.” They weren’t wrong, certainly: “Love” has the band’s most pandering chorus (“All of my love to you, child”) and a JPJ synth solo where Page would normally find himself in takeover mode. It has its place, though, and as a tribute to Plant’s son — who died tragically at age five a couple years earlier — it’s hard to argue with too much.

The wheels of ranking roll slowly, but we travel to a non-album track for our next song.
I did not have this on my list but I don't get the "hate" I've seen in this thread. Why can't the mighty Led Zeppelin do a soft love song?

 
Custard Pie was rehearsed for the 1975 North American tour but was not performed live during the band’s initial run. It was, however, played at Jason Bonham’s wedding reception in 1990. During the 1980s, Plant included a verse of the song as part of his final chorus in the live version of Tall Cool One. Page performed the song live for his 1988 Outrider tour and recorded a version with the Black Crowes on the 1999 album Live at the Greek.
Did all the surviving members of LZ perform this?  If so, wicked cool.  :thumbup:

 
Didn’t make my top 25, but it’s a damn good song.  I prefer thank you for zeppelin’s slow love song.

 
I did not have this on my list but I don't get the "hate" I've seen in this thread. Why can't the mighty Led Zeppelin do a soft love song?
I don’t hate the song, but I never considered it for my top 25. When the first notes play on the radio, my first reaction is disappointment - that a better Zeppelin song was not played instead. That said, I don’t change the station, and end up appreciating the tune, particularly Plant’s performance.

Led Zeppelin soft love songs include Thank You and The Rain Song which rate much higher IMO.

 
#44 - All My Love from In Through The Out Door (1979)

After a show in Oakland on 1977-07-26, news came out that Plant's five-year-old son, Karac had died from a stomach virus. The week before, his daughter Carmen was treated for acute gastroenteritis. Karac apparently also suffered from it, but it had gone undiagnosed. Only drummer John Bonham attended the funeral (which infuriated Plant). A disappointed Plant said, “Maybe they don’t have as much respect for me as I do for them. Maybe they’re not the friends I thought they were.” Tensions in the band were at an all-time high, and Plant thought about breaking up the band because of it.
 
This is brutal and I dont care if page was strung out, if Bonham could make it then anyone could And should🙁 

 
Did all the surviving members of LZ perform this?  If so, wicked cool.  :thumbup:
Yes. Jason Bonham played drums with Page, Plant, and JPJ at the Heath Hotel in the UK at Jason's wedding in 1990. They played Bring It On Home, Rock And Roll, Sick Again, Custard Pie, and It'll Be Me (a Jerry Lee Lewis cover). The same grouping would later play at the LZ HOF induction ceremony in 1995 and the reunion show in 2007.

I still haven't really fully grasped what happened with Jones. Page and Plant seemed fine with trying to reform the band in 1986. They played together at the 1988 Atlantic Records show (and again at Jason's wedding in 1990). As a result of the wedding performance, Plant actually agreed to a Zeppelin reunion . . . but backed out in 1991.

Page apparently was so miffed by Plant backing out that that caused him to do the Coverdale / Page album in 1993. In the Fall of that year, Page met with Plant about doing a performance together in 1994. MTV had asked Plant to perform on Unplugged, and Plant said he would do it with Jimmy. Essentially, Page was performing with Plant's backing band. Before the MTV thing happened, Page did a quick tour of Japan with Coverdale and then did the MTV thing, which led to a new album.

I have seen two explanations as to why Jones was left out when Page and Plant opted to give it a go after what was at first planned to be a one-off performance for MTV. One explanation was that the pair had used the bass player from Plant's band, his son-in-law Charlie Jones, and the drummer from his solo band, Michael Lee. Plant wasn't going to stop working with his son-in-law, Jones was the odd man out, and it was that simple.

A second theory holds that Page and Plant didn't want their collaboration to be considered a Led Zep reunion, so they left Jones out. Plant later said he didn't want a third ego in the room in Jones. Jason Bonham was also not in the mix, so Page and Plant could get away without it being "Led Zeppelin." Neither one of those explanations makes a lot of sense to me, but that's what's out there.

If anyone has more intel on how Joned got excommunicated with Page and Plant, by all means, please share.

 
If anyone has more intel on how Jones got excommunicated with Page and Plant, by all means, please share.
This isn’t really intel on that, but I remember reading an interview with Jones around that time, and he said he was totally confused by their decision and had no idea why they did it. They never came to him to ask him to participate OR to tell him they were going to work together without him. They said nothing to him at all. 

 
This isn’t really intel on that, but I remember reading an interview with Jones around that time, and he said he was totally confused by their decision and had no idea why they did it. They never came to him to ask him to participate OR to tell him they were going to work together without him. They said nothing to him at all. 
The counter argument / discussion after that from the Page and Plant camp was Jones was never considered for their new project and they felt no obligation to have to tell him anything. Like I said, the entire situation was odd. For In Through The Out Door, the album was mostly a collaboration between Plant and Jones. Then all those years later Jones is not even a consideration? Very strange.

 
This isn’t really intel on that, but I remember reading an interview with Jones around that time, and he said he was totally confused by their decision and had no idea why they did it. They never came to him to ask him to participate OR to tell him they were going to work together without him. They said nothing to him at all. 
Sounds like Paul and John leaving George out of a reunion.

 
The counter argument / discussion after that from the Page and Plant camp was Jones was never considered for their new project and they felt no obligation to have to tell him anything. Like I said, the entire situation was odd. For In Through The Out Door, the album was mostly a collaboration between Plant and Jones. Then all those years later Jones is not even a consideration? Very strange.
A lot can happen in the span of 15 years. But we don’t know exactly what happened in this case. 

 
Sounds like Paul and John leaving George out of a reunion.
I think a better analogy would be John and Paul leaving Ringo out of a reunion. George didn't want to be in the band anymore, so not inviting him to a reunion sort of would make sense. Ringo seemed like he mostly would do what was asked of him (save the one time when he quit the band because Paul yelled at him over his drumming).

I haven't really seen anything to illustrate that the other three band members ever had an issue with Jones. He kept learning more instruments and adding more depth to their songs. He wasn't going out and getting soused and missing recording time or not performing well on stage (which some nights was an issue for Page). 

I have yet to see reports of him every being a problem or that the other guys took issue with him.

 
I did not have this on my list but I don't get the "hate" I've seen in this thread. Why can't the mighty Led Zeppelin do a soft love song?
My distaste for this song has nothing to do with it being soft. The synth is so uninteresting it borders on annoying, the solo is nails on a chalkboard, and the chorus worse. I'm sound-first, lyrics-second when it comes to music and never got to the latter despite a buddy of mine in college playing it with such frequency - that opening riff was the queue to go for a smoke break. Knowing what I know now - chemical dependency paralyzed Page & Bonham and the song was about Plant's dead son - it makes sense how it made it to an album though. 

 
I'm higher on All of My Love than most.  I find it one of the few songs LZ did that had any kind of emotional depth and Plant did a creditable job on it.  The previous song on the list is Custard Pie, if you want to contrast the subject matter.

The synthesizer solo is horribly outdated now, but was pretty bold upon release in '79.  

 
My distaste for this song has nothing to do with it being soft. The synth is so uninteresting it borders on annoying, the solo is nails on a chalkboard, and the chorus worse. I'm sound-first, lyrics-second when it comes to music and never got to the latter despite a buddy of mine in college playing it with such frequency - that opening riff was the queue to go for a smoke break. Knowing what I know now - chemical dependency paralyzed Page & Bonham and the song was about Plant's dead son - it makes sense how it made it to an album though. 
A case can be made that the Led Zeppelin that most knew and loved ended with Physical Graffiti. Presence and ITTOD were merely "ok." Between Plant's car accident, the death of his son, Jimmy's addiction issues, and Bonham's alcohol problems, things were just not the same. Their 1977 live shows were often hit or miss and the few dates they had in 1980 were really not that inspired (and more than half the duration than previous tours). Somehow, the handful of performances during 1979 were quite good by comparison. Tensions and egos were not great by 1980, and even if Bonham had survived, one has to wonder how much longer they would have stayed together without coming apart at the seams. Like many bands, by the end I am not sure how great friends they actually were by that point.

 
We haven’t gotten to my other overrated song but if I had gone with 3 it might have been All My Love.  But I still had it in my top 35-40.


Sorry for quoting myself but now that All My Love has been ranked, I wanted to address this again.  This isn't a bad song and definitely not an autoskip or anything like that but I do consider it borderline overrated due to the amount of play time it got/gets on the radio.  I do hate the chorus, so there's that.  It's fine to me, not nails on a chalkboard but also not one I seek out.

ETA - and yes, the synth solo in the middle is horrible.  Hate that part.  Maybe I'm talking myself in to hating the song.  LOL.

 
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Sorry for quoting myself but now that All My Love has been ranked, I wanted to address this again.  This isn't a bad song and definitely not an autoskip or anything like that but I do consider it borderline overrated due to the amount of play time it got/gets on the radio.  I do hate the chorus, so there's that.  It's fine to me, not nails on a chalkboard but also not one I seek out.

ETA - and yes, the synth solo in the middle is horrible.  Hate that part.  Maybe I'm talking myself in to hating the song.  LOL.
Is it just me, or is that slight mistake that JPJ makes in the solo painfully obvious to everyone? It’s totally distracting. I spend the first half of the song dreading it coming and the second half of the song wondering why they went with that take.

 
Sorry for quoting myself but now that All My Love has been ranked, I wanted to address this again.  This isn't a bad song and definitely not an autoskip or anything like that but I do consider it borderline overrated due to the amount of play time it got/gets on the radio.  I do hate the chorus, so there's that.  It's fine to me, not nails on a chalkboard but also not one I seek out.

ETA - and yes, the synth solo in the middle is horrible.  Hate that part.  Maybe I'm talking myself in to hating the song.  LOL.
Or we can just say anything they put out after PG was very meh and mediocre. Based on our voting and point allocation, I can tell you that:

First 6 albums >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last 3 albums. They are not even in the same solar system.

I can listen to any of them and not cringe, but it's like choosing celery to eat over pizza. I'm not going to die from eating celery, but why would you choose that over pizza? Give me any of the first 6 albums . . . don't even care which one, over the material from P, ITTOD, or C.

 
gdub said:
Didn’t make my top 25, but it’s a damn good song.  I prefer thank you for zeppelin’s slow love song.
Agree. I like the song and will give it a listen every now and then but it didn't crack my top 25 and 'Thank You' did. 

 
18 people voted for Thank You but not All My Love
11 people voted for All My Love but not Thank You.
Man you have some interesting stats. Keep them coming. I really enjoy them. 

Are you going to have any data on the top voter for the most songs?*

*if that makes any sense. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
If anyone has more intel on how Jones got excommunicated with Page and Plant, by all means, please share.
Robert Plant has a weird relationship with Led Zeppelin. For years, he was the lone holdout that blocked all manner of post-breakup Zep endeavors -- reunions, reissues, soundtrack appearances, merchandise, etc. 

Many fans and critics accused him of acting out of selfishness (to protect his solo career), and I think some of that criticism is valid. But in retrospect, I think that Plant was mostly motivated by his own views of how Zep's legacy should be preserved. He was very sensitive to the possibility of slapping the "Led Zeppelin" name on anything that didn't live up to the ultra-high standards that the band set.

The 1994 reunion was a confluence of his instinct to protect his solo career, and his instinct to preserve Zep's legacy. And I think that he believed that if John Paul Jones had been involved, then there would have been too much pressure to call it "LED ZEPPELIN" -- which would have led to unfair comparisons and might have ultimately tarnished the band's legacy.

So, JPJ became collateral damage. I don't think that the decision to exclude Jones was personal, except maybe in the sense that Plant and Jones were never that close to begin with, which just makes it easier to exclude someone. Of all the interpersonal relationships in the band, the Plant/Jones dynamic was the weakest -- they weren't drinking buddies or lifelong friends or songwriting partners (aside from a few moments of convenience in 1978). From Plant's POV, they were little more than former co-workers.

Anyway, it's a shame.

 
Man you have some interesting stats. Keep them coming. I really enjoy them. 

Are you going to have any data on the top voter for the most songs?*

*if that makes any sense. 
Yesterday I posted that someone had 22 of the Top 25 IIRC.

 
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Robert Plant has a weird relationship with Led Zeppelin. For years, he was the lone holdout that blocked all manner of post-breakup Zep endeavors -- reunions, reissues, soundtrack appearances, merchandise, etc. 

Many fans and critics accused him of acting out of selfishness (to protect his solo career), and I think some of that criticism is valid. But in retrospect, I think that Plant was mostly motivated by his own views of how Zep's legacy should be preserved. He was very sensitive to the possibility of slapping the "Led Zeppelin" name on anything that didn't live up to the ultra-high standards that the band set.

The 1994 reunion was a confluence of his instinct to protect his solo career, and his instinct to preserve Zep's legacy. And I think that he believed that if John Paul Jones had been involved, then there would have been too much pressure to call it "LED ZEPPELIN" -- which would have led to unfair comparisons and might have ultimately tarnished the band's legacy.

So, JPJ became collateral damage. I don't think that the decision to exclude Jones was personal, except maybe in the sense that Plant and Jones were never that close to begin with, which just makes it easier to exclude someone. Of all the interpersonal relationships in the band, the Plant/Jones dynamic was the weakest -- they weren't drinking buddies or lifelong friends or songwriting partners (aside from a few moments of convenience in 1978). From Plant's POV, they were little more than former co-workers.

Anyway, it's a shame.
Clearly, he cares about the band's legacy and does not need the money. There's some debate about the actual numbers involved, but he was the lone holdout on a proposed 35-date reunion tour in 2014 that was estimated to have been worth $800 million. Plant's publicist says the reported total is way off, but no other numbers have since come out.

Even though Plant likely butted heads way more with Page than Jones, it does make sense that Plant and Jones weren't exactly BFF's. Still, Plant has wavered on reuniting or not multiple times over the past 40 years. Apparently, every now and again one-offs are deemed acceptable but a tour or a new album are not.

I also wonder how much is left in the vault and if they could release something like a Coda 2 or another box set with a rarities disc. If I have enough leftover or rare material for a double album, we can only imagine what there is for them to consider. It might take the passing of Page and Plant to stand a chance of ever coming out. I agree that the quality won't be the same as their official early albums, but I still would be interested in hearing stuff they put together in 1968-74.

 
The great thing about doing these exercises is seeing the vastly different ways we all have experienced the music and the stories that are told along those lines.

I didn't really start getting into Zep until I was around 17, in 1977.  So ITTOD was my first "new" Zep album.

Pretty much the opposite experience of GB @jamny who was likely spitting out his first chiclets and had Zep III on repeat on his little turntable at the age of 4.

All My Love was #17 on my list.  My first song to be listed in the countdown and I have one more from that album. Like most Zep songs, I really liked the opening to the song.

 

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