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Maybe but in what way? Older people like the rock or the dope?I'm thinking age might have something to do with it more.
Maybe but in what way? Older people like the rock or the dope?I'm thinking age might have something to do with it more.
Yes, the most outdated and difficult for me to appreciate songs are the longs ones about the hills and hobbits and all that stuff.
Well, they often played a live version that was twice as long as the original. Listen to some of the live links and let us know if that killed the song and you liked those more, less, or the same.I like that it gets in and gets out quick (for a LZ song) and doesn't feel the need to wonder around. It almost sounds like LZ are covering a Stones or CCR or Stooges song. Just doesn't git into a lot of their work and I appreciate it being different. A 3 minute interlude in the middle would have killed it IMO.
It's not a song that needs twice the amount of time for me. I imagine that time is filled up with solos and changes of tempo or whatever else that indulges the elements of LZ that I like the least. The studio version is great. Maybe a touch too long but great as is.Well, they often played a live version that was twice as long as the original. Listen to some of the live links and let us know if that killed the song and you liked those more, less, or the same.
While I had it at #22, I ranked it for the long, slow blues riff. There's a smoldering quality to it that I find in the blues.3:20 - 4:53 if this doesn't make you blast off into space something is wrong with you
I’m inclined to say Steve Winwood, mostly because that almost happened, and I can’t see him singing anything Plant did.I don't get the disdain for Robert Plant's voice. I love it. He's a great front man. Who would some of you rather have as lead singer for Led Zeppelin? Barry Manilow?
I *love* this version. I want to add it to my Spotify list.One of the top trending videos on YouTube is JPJ doing some fundraising with My 14th ranked song. FUN!
Given that most of these add much more Jimmy Page, then #### yeah.To which I would ask you, even the 30-35 minute epic live renditions of songs?
He forgot to say too low (Binky: high)do you mean "people should like it more" too low?
OR
"this is over ranked" too low?
I’m inclined to say Steve Winwood, mostly because that almost happened, and I can’t see him singing anything Plant did.
They might still have been successful, but I don’t see how they could have been the same type of band with Winwood. They would have been more Traffic or Blind Faith than Zeppelin.
i said it earlier, i'll say it again ... when Plant is ON he's incredible - but, when he's off, he's no better than Dee Snider getting a Brazil wax
I agree with this, but I believe they would not have gone in the same direction. They would not have recorded D & C or IS with Winwood. It would have been a completely different band with a different group of songs.as much as i loathe some of Plant's winesack draining hippie squelching, a lightweight wannabe blues crooner like Winwood could've NEVER pulled off the dramatic heights of "Dazed & Confused", nor stomped on scrotum in tunes like "Immigrant Song"
i said it earlier, i'll say it again ... when Plant is ON he's incredible - but, when he's off, he's no better than Dee Snider getting a Brazil wax (<----- are we allowed to insinuate that?)
And it would have been harder to rank 25 songs. I would probably go from 99 songs I like from the band down to about 9 and that's with the benefit of the doubt added in.I agree with this, but I believe they would not have gone in the same direction. They would not have recorded D & C or IS with Winwood. It would have been a completely different band with a different group of songs.
I thought you didn't care for "Bobbo's wailing." He wails in this song, and going by your example in Going To California, he screeches too.as much as i loathe some of Plant's winesack draining hippie squelching, a lightweight wannabe blues crooner like Winwood could've NEVER pulled off the dramatic heights of "Dazed & Confused", nor stomped on scrotum in tunes like "Immigrant Song"
IMO, Winwood would have not worked out. It would have been a Traffic / Blind Faith / Yardbirds situation where they would have been one and done. And Page would have tried again a year or two later with someone else.And it would have been harder to rank 25 songs. I would probably go from 99 songs I like from the band down to about 9 and that's with the benefit of the doubt added in.
I agree with that.IMO, Winwood would have not worked out. It would have been a Traffic / Blind Faith / Yardbirds situation where they would have been one and done. And Page would have tried again a year or two later with someone else.
I thought you didn't care for "Bobbo's wailing." He wails in this song, and going by your example in Going To California, he screeches too.
I never got it either until I went to Iceland, which is what he was singing about. Still weird, but I understood a bit more.otb_lifer said:in IMMIGRANT SONG he's "wailing" and "screeching" about VALHALA/HAMMER OF THE ####### GODS ... CONQUERING!!! "WE ARE YOUR OVERLORDS!"
JFC, that was COTdamn catnip to me back in those days.
#14 hereI ranked it #12.otb_lifer said:BTW - Immigrant Song is my #1.
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I DID NOT NEED THAT VISUALotb_lifer said:as much as i loathe some of Plant's winesack draining hippie squelching, a lightweight wannabe blues crooner like Winwood could've NEVER pulled off the dramatic heights of "Dazed & Confused", nor stomped on scrotum in tunes like "Immigrant Song"
i said it earlier, i'll say it again ... when Plant is ON he's incredible - but, when he's off, he's no better than Dee Snider getting a Brazil wax (<----- are we allowed to insinuate that?)
They also would likely not have had Bonham as their drummer, as his past work with Plant played a major part in him joining the band.Anarchy99 said:I agree with this, but I believe they would not have gone in the same direction. They would not have recorded D & C or IS with Winwood. It would have been a completely different band with a different group of songs.
Crazy to me that only one song from Physical Graffiti will end up making it into the Top 25.
I don't think I can use better words to explain this song than controlled chaos. This is a masterpiece of it and if it were any longer it would have lost its purpose. That it was completed in under an hour emphasizes how strong this group was at their peak.I think I had it at #10 - I was surprised by some of the pushback on this song. Obviously I can understand not being in a Top 25, but some seemed to express a dislike for the song. To each their own.
I agree on it being a defining song to me - the controlled chaos exemplifies the first thing comes to mind when I think of LZ.
5 from PG in my top 15, 7 in my top 25. But I can’t do it alone.i had Trampled Under Foot & Ten Years Gone at #s 5/4, respectively.
but i was AWOL from the bored during the voting.
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I had four from PG, all in my Top 10.5 from PG in my top 15, 7 in my top 25. But I can’t do it alone.
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Ten Years Gone was at 22.Crazy to me that only one song from Physical Graffiti will end up making it into the Top 25.
I had 7 in top 25, including 6 of my top 14.5 from PG in my top 15, 7 in my top 25. But I can’t do it alone.
“Controlled chaos” - that’s a good description. I admit I love those kind of songs which is why I ranked this one #3. While I enjoy some of the longer songs, the 3 minute, balls to the wall type songs are just capnip to me, even at 48.#14 - Rock And Roll from Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
Appeared On: 34 ballots (out of 62 . . . 54.8%)
Total Points: 475 points (out of 1,550 possible points . . . 30.6%)
Top 5 Rankers: @Ilov80s@Witz@Sinn Fein@Andrew74@fatguyinalittlecoat
Highest Ranking: 2
Live Performances:
LZ: 218 (Belfast - 1971-03-05 (First Performance), Osaka - 1971-0-29, Long Beach - 1972-06-27, New York - 1973-07-28, London - 1975-05-25, Seattle - 1977-07-17, Knebworth - 1979-08-04, Berlin - 1980-07-07 (Last Time W/Bonzo),
Philadelphia - 1985-07-13, London - 2007-12-10)
Page & Plant: 115 (Knebworth - 1990-06-30, Unknown, New York - 1995-10-27)
Plant: 211 (Nashville - 2011-02-09, Stockholm - 2015-07-14, Toronto - 2018-06-15)
Coverdale / Page: 8 (Osaka - 1993-12-20)
Covers: Heart, Train, Stevie Nicks, Foo Fighters, Def Leppard, Van Hagar, John McEnroe & Roger Daltrey, Great White, John Waite, Alvin & The Chipmunks, Double Trouble, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bare Naked Ladies, Zebra, Tenacious D, Living Colour, Vandenberg, Max Weinberg, Alison Moyet, Sheryl Crow, Alter Bridge, David Cook, Skid Row & Motley Crüe, Gretchen Wilson, Everclear, Journey, Miranda Lambert, Extreme, Dee Snyder & Spin Doctors, Cyndi Lauper, (Sammy Hagar, David Coverdale, Michael Anthony, Joe Satriani), Bad Religion, Generation X (Billy Idol), Wynona Judd, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Icicle Works, Lita Ford, Steve Lukather (Toto), Juliana Hatfield
Ultimate Classic Rock Ranking (out of 92 songs): 6
Vulture Ranking (out of 74 songs): 16
Rolling Stone Ranking (out of 40 songs): 9
Louder Ranking (out of 50 songs): 12
Uproxx Ranking (out of 50 songs): 23
WMGK Ranking (out of 92 songs): 1
SPIN Ranking (out of 87 songs): 32
Ranker Ranking (out of 87 songs): 10
Anachronarchy Ranking (out of 80 songs): 13
I wasn’t originally expecting this one to be controversial, but it’s been causing friction for weeks by this point. I’m Switzerland, but others are going to defend their side of the argument. It’s one of three remaining songs without a first-place vote. It only saw five Top 5 votes (fewest of the remaining songs) and saw 28 zeroes (most of any remaining song). But it did earn sixteen Top 10 votes. Some of the outside rankers LOVED IT. Four of them ranked it in the Top 10. WMGK had it as their #1. It’s our first song to crack the 30% possible point barometer. Given the insane amount of covers out there (I only listed a drop in the bucket), it's safe to say plenty of people love the song (no matter what any of us think).
The band was in the studio working on Four Sticks and had hit a creative wall. From out of nowhere, a frustrated Bonzo suddenly kicked into the opening drum section from Little Richard’s Keep A Knockin’. RNR was originally called It’s Been A Long Time.
Page described, “If something felt right, we didn’t question it. If something really magical is coming through, then you follow it. It was all part of the process. We had to explore, we had to delve. We tried to take advantage of everything that was being offered to us. We were recording something else when John Bonham started playing the drum intro to Keep a Knockin', and I immediately started playing the riff for Rock And Roll. Instead of laughing it off and going back to the previous song, we kept going. I played the opening riff automatically, and we got through the whole first verse. We said, ‘this is great, forget Four Sticks,’ let’s work on this and things were coming out like that. It was a spontaneous combustion. The song was written in minutes and recorded within an hour.”
“The record that made me want to play guitar was Baby, Let’s Play House by Elvis Presley. With RNR, it was enough to know that there was enough of a number to keep working on it. Robert even came in singing on it straight away.” Page developed a riff that blended hard rock and rockabilly. After that brief improvisation session with Bonham, the group took just 15 minutes to work out the structure of the entire song. Rolling Stones pianist Ian Stewart was there visiting, and he boogied and recorded the piano section. From Bonham’s initial pivot to the song, mapping out the music, writing the lyrics, and laying down three takes to record the song took less than an hour.
Plant wrote the lyrics in response to critics who claimed LZ III, wasn't really rock and roll. “We just thought rock and roll needed to be taken on again. I was finally in a really successful band, and we felt it was time for actually kicking ###. It wasn't an intellectual thing, 'cause we didn't have time for that - we just wanted to let it all come flooding out. It was a very animal thing, a hellishly powerful thing, what we were doing.” The song was released as a single and snuck into the Billboard Top 50, peaking at #47.
Alternate Version, Isolated Drum Track, 2007 Rehearsal
Rock And Roll had a long shelf life in live performances (9th most played song), starting in 1971 and running through the band’s remaining run through 1980. It also was played at Live Aid, Jason’s wedding reception, Carmen’s birthday, and the 2007 reunion show. Unless things change, it will go down as the last song the band ever performed, as it closed out the 2007 gig.
Ultimate Classic Rock (6 of 92 songs): There are so many arena-ready anthems on Led Zeppelin's fourth album, there's no surprise why it's their most popular (and best) LP. The record pretty much doesn't let up from the start, and this early song (Side One, Track Two) is a glorious straightforward rock 'n' roll song celebrating – what else? – rock 'n' roll.
Vulture (16 of 74 songs): Zoso’s first side continues with these unbridled three and a half minutes of cataclysmic rock ‘n’ roll. One of the most dramatic guitar attacks ever captured on record; Page’s tone has a depth and a fullness no other band could match. Note how, in contrast to the severe crispness of most of his guitar riffs, here he lets the chords reverberate. The result: an utterly anachronistic nostalgic hymn to the 1950s.
Rolling Stone (9 of 40 songs): Zeppelin were struggling to rehearse Four Sticks when Bonham spontaneously played the now-famous snare and open-high-hat drum intro to Rock and Roll" which imitates the first few bars of Little Richard's 1957 hit Keep A Knockin'. The song – initially called It's Been a Long Time – expresses a palpable longing for youth and the innocence of Fifties rock: Plant refers to the Stroll, an old dance, and to The Book of Love, by the Montones, from 1958. But the music recasts rock & roll as something fierce and modern.
Louder (12 of 50 songs): An instantly identifiable Zeppelin anthem, this track came out of a jam with Rolling Stones’ mentor Ian Stewart guesting on piano. Bonzo played the intro of Little Richard’s Keep A Knockin, and Page quickly added a suitable 1950s type riff. Fifteen minutes later, the nucleus of Rock And Roll was down on tape and a classic was born.
Uproxx (23 of 50 songs . . . based on live version): The Song Remains The Same is rightfully considered one of the most ridiculous and tedious rock films of the 1970s. I’ve watched it at least 20 times but I don’t think I’ve ever actually finished it once without falling asleep. (Consider that I normally start watching The Song Remains The Same very late at night, and never in the most sober frame of mind.) People love to make fun of the Peter Grant sequences, where he struts around pompously in his vintage gangster clothes like a white English Suge Knight. But for me the least coherent scene is when John Paul Jones is seen reading Jack And The Beanstalk to his kids while dressed like Dirk Diggler. (Were they trying to make John Paul look like a huge dork?) All of that aside, The Song Remains The Same is a five-star rock movie for me solely because of the performance of “Rock And Roll,” which is an incredible portrait of arena rock at its absolute peak. The shot behind the band as Bonzo kicks into the opening drum fill while still in the dark, and then the explosion of light as the rest of Zeppelin falls in feels like having a rocket ship strapped between your legs.
WMGK (1 of 92 songs): There have been a lot of rock and roll songs about rock and roll, and this one is surely one of the very best. Borrowing elements from the early days of rock and roll - a Chuck Berry-esque riff, rolling Jerry Lee Lewis piano and a drum intro reminiscent of Little Richard’s Keep A-Knockin' - Zep’s Rock And Roll is a love letter to the founders of the genre. Led Zeppelin’s members have always been passionate music fans so it’s fitting that on this, their greatest song, they pay tribute to the music that inspired them. Fun fact: Years later, Jerry Lee Lewis actually covered the song -- with Jimmy Page on guitar -- on his 2006 album, Last Man Standing.
SPIN (32 of 87 songs): Among the group’s most popular rave-ups, earned through the sheer frenzy of Bonham’s cymbal-crashing, Page’s fret-racing, Jones’ keys-on-fire piano, and Plant’s dog-whistle shrieking. There’s not really a whole lot of song there, truly — it’s a repetitive and largely meaningless chorus, and the melody is pretty standard issue — but the band is just in such top form that Rock and Roll was able to become a classic worthy of exemplifying its title anyway.
You would know best if you were a heavy marijuana user so we’ll take your word for it.I feel like there is something that makes some users in this thread like certain songs a lot more than I do and dislike certain songs that I like. I'm guessing that something is heavy marijuana use. I could be wrong though.
I ranked this #1. My favorite person bought a mandolin, and he had a goal to learn to play Going to California on it. He loved the song, and he thought it would be easy to learn. It turned out to not be as easy as he thought, and he'd start to get the hang of it, and then get frustrated, but he never gave up. He finally learned to play it, and he just beamed of proudness when he finally got it right. He thought it was the best thing in the world. For that moment in time it was.
Page freaked out and insisted on mixing Going To California last in case the song somehow had conjured a tremor.
LOL!!!! That’s all I can say about that.Going back to Cali was my #20 song. Back in college I probably had it ranked alot higher. When I sat down to do this exercise it fell simply because I had 19 other songs that I liked better.
We're in that range now where honestly I have a lot of songs that could have slid up or down a few spots depending on the day.
Pearl Jam's Given to Fly is said to be a sort of rip off of California. PJ has admitted as much. I don't quite hear it myself though so much.
I voted for Going to California but in all my listening to Zep over the past couple months it has take a nosedive in my rankings and wouldn’t be on there today. I’m a sucker for acoustic guitar and I love the beginning. But ultimately it doesn’t feel like the song goes anywhere interesting and even though it’s short I’ve already lost interest by the end.
I’ve said it before but I’d be much happier with my list if I had taken this one out and put Babe I’m Gonna Leave You in its place. That song goes places.