massraider
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Maybe it was his video editor. He's a talented fellaCongrats. You figured out two of the three possibilities - the other being O’Keefe’s lawyer. In Liberal math this means there’s only a 33% chance it was the fbi.
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FBI accused of leaking private data to NYT after Project Veritas raid (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
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I think the media source is the red herring here.
What we should be concerned about it is the amount, since 2016, of CIA/FBI/NSA operatives (and I don't use that word lightly) going back and forth from the newsroom to their former organizations to give information and access. It's a symbiotic handshake of access and dissemination for both the agencies and the newsrooms, one who has unfettered (some would say illegal) access to people's private conversations and papers, the other who has the ability to disseminate them without reproach.
It is very dangerous, and anyone who doesn't think so is shortsighted.
This is not Deep State hokum. This is a concern that the former head of NSA -- WHO ONCE DELIBERATELY LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE STORAGE AND PERUSAL OF PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN AMERICAN CITIZENS -- gets to go on CNN and be trusted as an arbiter and purveyor of truth.
The New York Times is guilty of this as hell, and I hope they get caught and lose more readers.
And I hate O'Keefe. He's odious. But just because he's odious doesn't make me side with the FBI and the NYT. In fact, it's a mark in favor.
What we should be concerned about it is the amount, since 2016, of CIA/FBI/NSA operatives (and I don't use that word lightly) going back and forth from the newsroom to their former organizations to give information and access. It's a symbiotic handshake of access and dissemination for both the agencies and the newsrooms, one who has unfettered (some would say illegal) access to people's private conversations and papers, the other who has the ability to disseminate them without reproach.
It is very dangerous, and anyone who doesn't think so is shortsighted.
This is not Deep State hokum. This is a concern that the former head of NSA -- WHO ONCE DELIBERATELY LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE STORAGE AND PERUSAL OF PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN AMERICAN CITIZENS -- gets to go on CNN and be trusted as an arbiter and purveyor of truth.
The New York Times is guilty of this as hell, and I hope they get caught and lose more readers.
And I hate O'Keefe. He's odious. But just because he's odious doesn't make me side with the FBI and the NYT. In fact, it's a mark in favor.
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rockaction
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And the typically dismissive attitude about state media doesn't quite cut it, because what is the NYT if not acting in the FBI's (and therefore, state) interest when it does something like this?
It's state-run media for sure when stuff like this happens, we just forgive it from the left in this country because it benefits a particular worldview. Suffice it to say that it's incredibly dangerous and not something a thinking citizen should condone or joke about.
It's state-run media for sure when stuff like this happens, we just forgive it from the left in this country because it benefits a particular worldview. Suffice it to say that it's incredibly dangerous and not something a thinking citizen should condone or joke about.
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Insein
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Exactly. Think of the precedent here. Presumably Democrats will not be in power forever. Say in the not so distant future a certain someone gets into power and cleans the FBI to have only their people in it. They they arrange raids of political opponents houses on flimsy pretenses to suddenly have Fox news or the Wall St Journal with a lead story as the raid breaks with all the confidential information about the person being raided for all the world to view.
If people can't see that far ahead into the possibilities for abuse beyond just the obvious that has occurred here, then God help their ignorance.
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pantherclub
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The Commish
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Agreed. Problem here is, RT is no more reliable than NYT. If one is going to put value in RT, they need to do the same for NYT which of course isnt happening. From my perspective this is he said / she said by these "sources"NorvilleBarnes said:
Now throw on top of that the fact that RT is state run media and their history of reporting is well documented. It only takes an internal pause to realize there is likely more to this than what either is reporting.
the moops
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
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dozer
Footballguy
Sand
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massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, it probably wasn't a single agent who acted on his own.
Just another mysterious "one off" eh?
Much more likely it was a company wide mandated decision, handed down from the director, who was concerned these Keystone Kops political operatives are gonna blow the lid off the whole conspiracy with their ham-handed edited video.
Project Veritas waved bye bye to credibility long ago, which is why the only sites that take them seriously also happen to offer dehydrated milk for your doomsday bunker.
Someone has any proof this was an FBI leak, other than tweets, let me know.
My concern about bullets flying wasn’t hyperbole. I am more and more concerned with each passing day that this country is hurtling toward something terrible. When the head law enforcement agency in this country becomes this politicized we should all be concerned. If in fact an FBI agent leaked an attorney’s conversations with his client that to my mind is a very big deal and further erodes what little confidence is left between Conservatives and the fbi. But hey - lap it up and joke about it. Your side got a nice win there.
the moops
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There was a guy in here back in 2016 talking about Civil War, maybe @Olaf?? He was laughed off the board. Since then we’ve seen a Liberal extremist shoot up a Republican Congressional baseball practice and an attempted insurrection to overturn an election. People on both sides have lost faith in our Justice system, and the media has lost all semblance of neutrality. Empires don’t last forever and most political scientists agree that Pax Americana is pretty much over. In my mind a break up is imminent, just a question of whether it will be peaceful or not.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Olaf was a persnickety borderline white supremacist who would link to Stormfront and other racially-charged materials. He may have expressed similar sentiments.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I find it creepy when people seem to post as though they want to be right about this civil war b.s.
rockaction
Footballguy
I have noticed that, too. I don't like it. Not saying ekbeats is doing that, but I don't like to see any desire or threat of civil war.
Insein
Footballguy
It's not that any of us want to be right but it would do good to acknowledge that things are probably the worst it's been since the civil war politically. We no longer are able to have a conversation about issues and decide how to lead policy. When people can't go online and declare they are a conservative or support Trump without being banned or then doxxed to punish a person in real life, things have gone too far. It's not enough to disagree anymore. The tribal nature has made it so that one side wants the other side dead and the other side is warming up to reciprocating.
And it's being fueled by the media and the elites. When the president of the United States declares half the country are potential domestic terrorists, this is how we get here.
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the moops
Footballguy
You somehow are completely ignoring the behavior of the previous president and what effect that had on our political landscape
Insein
Footballguy
Please point me to where Trump declared half the country domestic terrorists or unworthy of being part of the country? Trump was an #######, spoke like an ####### and poked at the media who then painted him as Hitler. Where did Trump work to eliminate half the country as criminals or terrorists?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
False flag. They protesteth too much. Guarantee the accusers leaked this.
the moops
Footballguy
Maybe I was in a coma, but can you point to where Joe Biden declared half the country criminals and terrorists?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Now, imagine a journalist is murdered and the President sweeps it under the rug. Because that happened already.
It’s not ignorance. Its retribution.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
What are you talking about with the bolded?
Again, I can stress how much different people's perceptions and online experiences are. I would also hazard a guess that you frequent other sites that stoke that notion too, and I noticed that you seem to put 0 blame on one whole side of the aisle. The only time I see things about civil war or something with a similar tone it's here and it's from the right side of the aisle. I really think some of you need to take a break from the internet.
rockaction
Footballguy
People should be really careful about civil war. There seem to be two fringes, on both sides, fomenting unrest to the point of political violence. I started a thread on it, actually, detailing that I thought the rule of law was going to be crucial over the next ten years. We must have an adherence to custom and law, neutrally applied. There is no justification for political violence yet. Things are not even close to that bad for either side.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
100% on that second sentence. IMO the big problem is those are still a tiny minority, but the internet makes it so it feels like those voices are representative of the rest of the populace. Then people start correlating that idiotic hatred to "the left/the right" and lumping all everybody together as having that mindset. I see it happen way too much here, and I imagine this is tame compared to the crap that is allowed to fly most other places on the web.
0 clue how to break that cycle besides being conscious of where you are on the internet, understanding what the business model, and how we get sucked in like the chimps we are.
rockaction
Footballguy
I, in turn, 100% agree with you about the internet exacerbating divisions and tensions. We need to take a step back and breathe a little. Get to know each other personally, rather than just have internet interactions that shape our opinion about what the "other side" wants.
Insein
Footballguy
Did you miss the part where he declared Trump supporters domestic terrorists. Or later when he sent a memo to the FBI to declare parents domestic terrorists for getting upset at school board meetings?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I missed both of those things actually happening the way you are saying yes. Please quote him where he said those things.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I just don't see it getting better as we start veering into the Meta/VR portion of the technology. One of the many things that scare me as I think about my kids and what they are growing up in.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm really unfamiliar with how Meta and VR will reshape technology and experience. If things are to be more individualized than they already are, then I see how that could be a big, big problem. We already are creating our own bubbles and universes. Technology that aids and abets retreat from the commons is not what we need at this point.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
That's what I found too. Far cry from saying 1/2 the country is such. Of course I didn't poke around much in Gateway and the like....
Sabertooth
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think of it as Ready Player One, but with more anger and isolation.
1000s of years we have relied on community, communication, touch, seeing faces, whatever. We weren't ready for this to be decreased so drastically in the course of a couple decades.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It worries me too that our system of government is seeming to reward extremism with how gerrymanders are carried out. We have two parties that are entrenched and almost every incentive is aligned toward more extreme candidates.
rockaction
Footballguy
A Zogby poll this year showed that roughly half the country agrees with me that a Civil War is likely. And it’s a sentiment that is shared almost equally by Republicans and Democrats.
dozer
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Guess they'll look really silly then since they filed a court order to cease and desist until the leak can be found. Not to mention leaking their own private client attorney conversations to the company they're sueing doesn't seem like a really smart thing to do. But yea, you're probably right.
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