Felix Jones' 2nd Half (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

I know he's hurt, but what do you expect from this guy the rest of the way?

When he was healthy he looked incredible.

Curious what others may have to say

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

 

[switz]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty. Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

 

[atcdav]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

So his performance over the last 3 years hasn't earned him the contract? I agree this year has been below average for him but some of the blame lies with the Cowboys not utilizing him properly. I also like Felix but barber is a stud RB. Getting Johnson in there has made running that much tougher for him

 

[MCguidance]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty. Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty. shrug2.gif

I think that's wrong, but what do I know. I think Barber is a short yardage monster, can receive better than you've given him credit for, and is proving his worth with Romo out. If you want to argue that Felix has looked better than you might as well say Turner looked better than LT in years past, and Norwood looks better than Turner now, with his continues high YPR. They have high YPR given their situations and their COP status, not because they are necessarily better than the first string RB.

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

Again, we don't get points for YPR or YPReceptions or anything like that. If anything, he is more valuable, IMO, because we know he can pound the ball and will get Romo back soon and do more with fewer defensive players in the box. Felix is very good, and will see some carries and touches. But his primary role this season is COP and returner. Doubt it changes too much in 08.

 

[Hue G]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

Some people would call that a workhorse, not many RBs in the league would be able to carry the ball as much as he does and be as effective as he is.To call him an average RB is idiotic and you're probably one of very few in your little "camp" sure Felix Jones has better big play ability but Barber is a punishing strong downhill running RB that can wear out entire defenses by himself and is probably better than anyone else in the league at doing so I don't see how that is "average".

 

[Interseptopus]

I was unaware of Barber's extension. I thought he was a RFA this last year, signed to a 1 year deal. Makes sense I remember hearing something about it.

My opinion is that Jones is gold if Barber gets hurt or if he starts to slow down. He's getting a LOT of touches this year. I can't see him keeping that pace up or making it through the whole season healthy. On pace for 306 carries, 64 receptions. Amazing, but that's a LOT of touches

 

[Hue G]

I was unaware of Barber's extension. I thought he was a RFA this last year, signed to a 1 year deal. Makes sense I remember hearing something about it. My opinion is that Jones is gold if Barber gets hurt or if he starts to slow down. He's getting a LOT of touches this year. I can't see him keeping that pace up or making it through the whole season healthy. On pace for 306 carries, 64 receptions. Amazing, but that's a LOT of touches

People have been saying he's going to get hurt for a long time now, I'm still waiting for that to happen and I don't think slowing down is something he knows how to do if you've ever watched him play.I own Jones in 2 leagues and Barber in 0, I'm thinking I will probably never get the chance to start Jones this year at least I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Ridgelake]

Felix the ball carrier is as explosive a runner as I've seen since perhaps Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or LT. The moves, elusiveness, acceleration. I have been consistently surprised at how good he looks wit the ball in his hands. He makes you sit up in your seat and take notice. His average per carry is off charts. It was the same in college. I can't wait to see how this average moves as he gets a larger number of carries.

So why doesnt he play more? Pass protection. The coaches don't yet trust him in that area. He's a willing blocker, no doubt. But he's not yet consistently making the right reads and/or getting physically beat.

I also was under the impression that, earlier in the year, he only had command of maybe 1/3 of the playbook. Maybe thats better now.

His outlook? Probably much like it was before he was hurt. 10=15 touches per game. If Barber were hurt though, he could be a monster.

 

[Manster]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

:X how can you say he didnt earn it? you are so biased for Felix it's disgusting.if you've been watching the Cowboys games you'd know that MB3 is consitently being hit behind the LOS. and many times he fights for positive yards. so your stat is misleading. MB3 cant make the blocks and the runs. imo, he's look very good considering average to poor o-line play.

 

[Hue G]

Felix the ball carrier is as explosive a runner as I've seen since perhaps Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or LT. The moves, elusiveness, acceleration. I have been consistently surprised at how good he looks wit the ball in his hands. He makes you sit up in your seat and take notice. His average per carry is off charts. It was the same in college. I can't wait to see how this average moves as he gets a larger number of carries.So why doesnt he play more? Pass protection. The coaches don't yet trust him in that area. He's a willing blocker, no doubt. But he's not yet consistently making the right reads and/or getting physically beat.I also was under the impression that, earlier in the year, he only had command of maybe 1/3 of the playbook. Maybe thats better now.His outlook? Probably much like it was before he was hurt. 10=15 touches per game. If Barber were hurt though, he could be a monster.

Only problem is that he's only had 10 touches in a game one time not including KR and PR which I don't think most leagues count.

 

[chidoy]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Again, we don't get points for YPR or YPReceptions or anything like that. If anything, he is more valuable, IMO, because we know he can pound the ball and will get Romo back soon and do more with fewer defensive players in the box. Felix is very good, and will see some carries and touches. But his primary role this season is COP and returner. Doubt it changes too much in 08.

 

[switz]

if you've been watching the Cowboys games you'd know that MB3 is consitently being hit behind the LOS. and many times he fights for positive yards. so your stat is misleading. MB3 cant make the blocks and the runs. imo, he's look very good considering average to poor o-line play.

I will agree the line hasn't been playing as good as possible recently. Up until about three games ago they were one for the best in the league though. And the game prior to Jones' injury, Barber and Jones both were facing a lot of players in the backfield... Jones made them miss, Barber didn't. He's not entirely to blame, but he does deserve part of the blame. He's just not elusive or fast, and that hinders him when there aren't gaping huge holes to run through.As for those that keep saying we don't get points for YPC, sure, that's true. But YPC is a good indicator of how well a player is performing at an NFL level, and if they have a low YPC it's likely they will get replaced sooner than later, or see their touches decrease at the least. People have been arguing that about other players rather consistently... it's humorous that the logic is not applicable to Barber.

 

[Manster]

if you've been watching the Cowboys games you'd know that MB3 is consitently being hit behind the LOS. and many times he fights for positive yards. so your stat is misleading. MB3 cant make the blocks and the runs. imo, he's look very good considering average to poor o-line play.

I will agree the line hasn't been playing as good as possible recently. Up until about three games ago they were one for the best in the league though. And the game prior to Jones' injury, Barber and Jones both were facing a lot of players in the backfield... Jones made them miss, Barber didn't. He's not entirely to blame, but he does deserve part of the blame. He's just not elusive or fast, and that hinders him when there aren't gaping huge holes to run through.As for those that keep saying we don't get points for YPC, sure, that's true. But YPC is a good indicator of how well a player is performing at an NFL level, and if they have a low YPC it's likely they will get replaced sooner than later, or see their touches decrease at the least. People have been arguing that about other players rather consistently... it's humorous that the logic is not applicable to Barber.

we could go back and forth on this all day. the reality is Felix is out with a hammy. MB3 is a warrior that keeps finding he endzone.Felix has looked very good in a limited roll. but i'm not convinced he'd be doing any better than MB3 in Dallas' current situation. can Felix pound the rock 25 times in an NFL game? we dont know. im thinkin if Felix was in MB3's position right now, he'd have a pretty low YPC as well. maybe he's more elusive, but would he be in the 4th after 17 carries?

 

[duece2626]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

how can you say he didnt earn it? you are so biased for Felix it's disgusting.if you've been watching the Cowboys games you'd know that MB3 is consitently being hit behind the LOS. and many times he fights for positive yards. so your stat is misleading. MB3 cant make the blocks and the runs. imo, he's look very good considering average to poor o-line play.

 

[rowmacks]

What about dynasty value? Barber going anywhere?

Barber signed a long term deal prior to the season, and with Felix hamstring not being enough to get Choice on the field, there's no reason to think the Cowboys will ship Barber anywhere anytime soon. I believe both will be on the Boys through 2010.I'm still firmly entrenched in the "Barber is an average back while Felix is special" camp. But Felix didn't play at all one game, and is missing 4 weeks with an injury, it's hard to expect the Cowboys to put their trust in him yet. They've been extremely slow in working him into the offense as well, which I find interesting, considering all the comments about what a quick learner he was during the preseason.The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty. Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty. shrug2.gif

I think that's wrong, but what do I know. I think Barber is a short yardage monster, can receive better than you've given him credit for, and is proving his worth with Romo out. If you want to argue that Felix has looked better than you might as well say Turner looked better than LT in years past, and Norwood looks better than Turner now, with his continues high YPR. They have high YPR given their situations and their COP status, not because they are necessarily better than the first string RB.

Barber, I believe is currently 6th in the league in rushing yards, but to put that in perspective, he's 2nd in attempts, and among the top-10 players in rushing yards he has the 2nd worst YPC (only 0.1 better than LT who has been injured).

Again, we don't get points for YPR or YPReceptions or anything like that. If anything, he is more valuable, IMO, because we know he can pound the ball and will get Romo back soon and do more with fewer defensive players in the box. Felix is very good, and will see some carries and touches. But his primary role this season is COP and returner. Doubt it changes too much in 08.

Well said, I like the Turner and LT comparison.

 

[switz]

Well said, I like the Turner and LT comparison.

Hmmmm.... Turner vs. LT this season? No, I don't believe Turner is better than LT, but he is better than many thought he was... The difference is that Turner had LT in front of him... Felix only has Barber

 

[joffer]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

O.M.G.

 

[rowmacks]

Well said, I like the Turner and LT comparison.

Hmmmm.... Turner vs. LT this season? No, I don't believe Turner is better than LT, but he is better than many thought he was... The difference is that Turner had LT in front of him... Felix only has Barber

Mainly I was agreeing with him about how a COP backs YPR is typically pretty nice, and how he was saying by that logic Norwood should be starting and ripping it up right now. Check it out again:

I think Barber is a short yardage monster, can receive better than you've given him credit for, and is proving his worth with Romo out. If you want to argue that Felix has looked better than you might as well say Turner looked better than LT in years past, and Norwood looks better than Turner now, with his continues high YPR. They have high YPR given their situations and their COP status, not because they are necessarily better than the first string RB.

Sounds right

 

[Tong Po]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

O.M.G.

Yah.... that's my favorite one yet.Because coaches always give their best players limited reps in the hopes they don't "outshine" anybody.

 

[thevidon]

Felix Jones was brought into Dallas to be a "special complimentary back" (Jerry Jones' words), and he is filling that role so far to a T. He is making the most of his carries in relief of Barber, and has shown great quickness to the edge so far. You have to keep in mind that Rashard Mendenhall was on the board when Dallas made their pick.....Jerry admitted that Mendenhall was higher on their draft board than Felix but they did not want a back to compete with Barber, they wanted someone to compliment him.

Barber is an outstanding runner and receiver out of the backfield. He breaks more tackles than anyone I've ever seen, and has proven capable of doing it throughout an entire game as a workhorse back. How many runners make this play?:

Marion Barber holds more long term value and more short term value than Felix Jones. I honestly don't see Jones ever being a serious #1 RB in the league. He has speed but lacks elusiveness, lacks blocking skills and is only a marginal receiver. Those types of backs are pretty much guaranteed limited roles in the league.....

My 2c.

 

[davearm]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Cowboys don't want Felix to outshine Barber, because they made a huge mistake signing Barber to a long term deal he hadn't earned. There's no denying Felix has looked much much much better, even in limited duty.

O.M.G.

Yah.... that's my favorite one yet.Because coaches always give their best players limited reps in the hopes they don't "outshine" anybody.

LOL exactly. Apparently the Cowboys have consciously decided to gain fewer yards, score fewer points, and win fewer games by tethering their "much much much better" looking RB to the bench. Happens all the time. This "theory" conveniently ignores that if they turned Jones loose to light up the NFL, the Cowboys would look like geniuses for drafting the guy, completely overshadowing whatever sentiment might exist that Barber's deal was a mistake.

 

[Andy Herron]

Getting back to the OP (and past this whole Barber vs. Jones thing), I think we're going to see Felix more involved in the offense when he returns healthy and fresh. This time off has given him time to get his nose in the playbook, as well as for the coaches to work with him in the film room. They've seen enough of him to determine how to utilize him best, and what he does best. It's only logical to think they'll be looking to take advantage of that. Furthermore, they don't want to wear out Barber and/or run him into the ground if they have any hopes for a stretch run into the playoffs. I would expect to see a minimum of 10-12 touches per game when he returns to the active roster.