FF ethics question. (1 Viewer)

[th3f00l]

There is a new guy in the league that I am commissioner of, all friends of mine, $20 buy in. His draft was really bad, and he has made some pretty awful roster moves, I already picked up Garcon after one of them:

Sep 19

ADDED:

Brandon Gibson (StL - WR)

Jackie Battle (SD - RB)

Martellus Bennett (NYG - TE)

DROPPED:

Nate Washington (Ten - WR)

Jason Witten (Dal - TE)

Beanie Wells (Ari - RB)

Sep 16

ADDED:

Heath Miller (Pit - TE)

DROPPED

Pierre Garcon (Was - WR)

Sep 12

ADDED:

Kevin Ogletree (Dal - WR)

LaRod Stephens-Howling (Ari - RB)

DROPPED:

LaMichael James (SF - RB)

Kendall Wright (Ten - WR)

Sep 5

ADDED:

LaMichael James (SF - RB)

Adam Vinatieri (Ind - K)

Kendall Wright (Ten - WR)

DROPPED:

Kellen Winslow (FA)

Joseph Addai (NE-RB)

John Kasay(NO - K)

Sep 2 Draft:

1. (5) Cam Newton (Car - QB)

2. (20) Michael Turner (Atl - RB)

3. (29) Steve Smith (Car - WR)

4. (44) Marques Colston (NO - WR)

5. (53) Beanie Wells (Ari - RB)

6. (68) Jason Witten (Dal - TE)

7. (77) Baltimore (Bal - DEF)

8. (92) Pierre Garcon (Was - WR)

9. (101) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)

10. (116) Alex Smith (SF - QB)

11. (125) New York (NYG - DEF)

12. (140) Nate Washington (Ten - WR)

13. (149) Joseph Addai (NE - RB)

14. (164) John Kasay (NO - K)

15. (173) Kellen Winslow (NE - TE)

I'm not knocking his adds but the players that he chooses to drop are pretty awful, especially while carrying two defenses. What should I do?

 

[NCPanthersFan]

I think as a Commissioner you are in charge of the health of the league and this would fall into it. For $20 I would think nobody would have a problem with you giving initial advice.

 

[Captain Hook]

If he is not asking for help WHY would you presume to tell him how to run his team?

It's not a high stakes league and FF is supposed to be FUN - let the guy do whatever he wants - I don't see how anything he has done would affect league balance or warrant your intrusion

 

[NCPanthersFan]

If he is not asking for help WHY would you presume to tell him how to run his team?It's not a high stakes league and FF is supposed to be FUN - let the guy do whatever he wants - I don't see how anything he has done would affect league balance or warrant your intrusion

I kind of disagree with this. Maybe not in this case but if you clearly have someone who is in over their head it hurts the league as a whole.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Nothing this guy is doing is going to hurt your league unless everything is first come-first served. You have waivers, right?

Aside from Garcon he hasn't dropped anyone even worth talking about as an issue.

If you want to help him get some ridicule going on the league message board. You aren't his fantasy tutor and in any case your advice may turn out wrong. It's his team.

 

[th3f00l]

If he is not asking for help WHY would you presume to tell him how to run his team?It's not a high stakes league and FF is supposed to be FUN - let the guy do whatever he wants - I don't see how anything he has done would affect league balance or warrant your intrusion

I kind of disagree with this. Maybe not in this case but if you clearly have someone who is in over their head it hurts the league as a whole.

Part of the problem is that I know that TE is a position that many are hurting at. They may have been targeting Bennet, but after this team got Bennet they see Witten up for grabs, and Wells to boot....I have the waivers set to where they are suppose to reset inverted of rank, but even after all of the waivers went through, it did not affect the priority. I was under the impression that after they reset it would still change after each transaction.Now if I help him he could concievably pick witten and wells back up, using his priority. But anyone who was targeting bennet and is now targeting witten would need to know so they wouldn't have a waiver claim in and plan on using Witten for Sunday's game. Also, if this owner drops Bennet, he essentially makes him unavailable to the rest of the league for the week, which is kind of a &*@# move (he should however drop a kicker , maybe nyg def as well?)

 

[jdoggydogg]

While I don't think it's proper for a commissioner to constantly offer advice, this guy seems very unprepared. Helping him a bit is a good idea. You don't even need to give him specific advice, just point him to a reputable site that lists quality add/drops.

 

[th3f00l]

Nothing this guy is doing is going to hurt your league unless everything is first come-first served. You have waivers, right?Aside from Garcon he hasn't dropped anyone even worth talking about as an issue.If you want to help him get some ridicule going on the league message board. You aren't his fantasy tutor and in any case your advice may turn out wrong. It's his team.

So post something in the message board along the lines of:

WTF Puddin's Pirates, you didn't like your 5th and 6th round picks enough to keep them after 2 weeks? Just so everyone knows, Puddin still has the 2nd overall priority, so he can pick those players back up. Unless I, the guy in last place , decide I want them.

 

[Chaka]

The guy who won our league last year had the following roster Flacco, Alex Smith, MJD Brandon Jacobs, Knowshon, Curtis Brinkley, D. Bowe, Plaxico, Crabtree, Hester, Vincent Jackson, Aaron Hernandez, T.O., Gostkowski, Buffalo D & Chicago D

You can flex a QB and there is no separate TE position (TEs are combined with WRs).

I still have no idea how that happened.

Point being, just because you think his team sucks doesn't mean it sucks. Stay out of it.

 

[jdoggydogg]

The guy who won our league last year had the following roster Flacco, Alex Smith, MJD Brandon Jacobs, Knowshon, Curtis Brinkley, D. Bowe, Plaxico, Crabtree, Hester, Vincent Jackson, Aaron Hernandez, T.O., Gostkowski, Buffalo D & Chicago DYou can flex a QB and there is no separate TE position (TEs are combined with WRs).I still have no idea how that happened.Point being, just because you think his team sucks doesn't mean it sucks. Stay out of it.

Yeah, but he cut Jason Witten. Let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Captain Hook]

If he is not asking for help WHY would you presume to tell him how to run his team?It's not a high stakes league and FF is supposed to be FUN - let the guy do whatever he wants - I don't see how anything he has done would affect league balance or warrant your intrusion

I kind of disagree with this. Maybe not in this case but if you clearly have someone who is in over their head it hurts the league as a whole.

Part of the problem is that I know that TE is a position that many are hurting at. They may have been targeting Bennet, but after this team got Bennet they see Witten up for grabs, and Wells to boot....I have the waivers set to where they are suppose to reset inverted of rank, but even after all of the waivers went through, it did not affect the priority. I was under the impression that after they reset it would still change after each transaction.Now if I help him he could concievably pick witten and wells back up, using his priority. But anyone who was targeting bennet and is now targeting witten would need to know so they wouldn't have a waiver claim in and plan on using Witten for Sunday's game. Also, if this owner drops Bennet, he essentially makes him unavailable to the rest of the league for the week, which is kind of a &*@# move (he should however drop a kicker , maybe nyg def as well?)

I still don't think you should offer unsolicited advice ....... perhaps a phone call as commish asking him if he is enjoying the league or has any questions about the rules would allow HIM to ask - otherwise just run your team and stick to clear Commissioner functions

 

[zed2283]

Let him run his own team, Commissioner Obama.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

What is wrong with his moves. He'll prob win the league!

 

[dagwood]

So let me see if understand this.

The guy cuts Garcon, but you nab him. No problem here.

The guy cuts Witten, and someone else nabs him. Now you don't like it.

Is that about the size of it?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Now this is really sad - I have Garcon and Washington in one league.

I am looking to dump/trade both of them as well.

He added Ogletree, Gibson, Miller & Bennett? Well those guys sure do hang around the end zone a lot.

I would take Bennett & Miller over Witten.

Bully for him.

It's a 'win now' game.

 

[Two Deep]

Commish. manipulating a league by helping others is more hurtful to the league than a not so knowledgable team owner.

 

[jdoggydogg]

People, this is a $20 league full of friends.

It's the commishioner's job to make sure the league thrives. If commish simply points out a few links to help this noob out, I don't see the problem.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Yeah, but he cut Jason Witten. Let that sink in for a minute.

I don't think OP provided all the details of his league, but FBG has Witten projected as the 7th-best TE going forward in Standard FBG scoring. He's projected as only marginally more valuable than the 13th overall guy (like, 1 point per game). So if it's a 10- or 12-team league where you only start 1 TE, it's not that outlandish to drop a guy like Witten, who has a total of 68 yards and 0 TDs through 2 weeks. He still has Heath Miller and added Martellus Bennett. And besides Witten, who else did he drop that you'd object to? It looks like a bunch of waiver wire fodder to me. People are high on Garcon but according to his FBG opinion blurb for this week, he's got something like turf toe that could keep him out for weeks.There's way too much of this stuff in fantasy football, where people think they can tell other people how much their players are worth. You see it when people clamor to overturn trades, you see it here where people are up in arms about perfectly reasonable add/drops. So maybe the guy is new to FF. Maybe he didn't draft exactly the way you're "supposed" to. Maybe he's now trying to fix up his roster going forward. It's not really up to anyone else to tell this guy whether or not Bennett will be a better fantasy TE this year than Witten.Besides, there's this:

all friends of mine, $20 buy in

Let the guy manage his team. What's the worst that happens if you do? He mismanages his team pretty badly and everyone gets to make fun of him. A few questionable drops result in a few owners getting better-than-usual players as free agents. The rest of you have one fewer tough team to contend with in your quest for non-life-changing money. This guy learns from the experience and comes back next year better prepared. Doesn't sound all that disastrous. On the other hand, the worst that happens if you do step in and try to micromanage this guy's team is that he gets insulted, loses interest, you create a rift in the league between other owners who think you're overstepping your bounds as commissioner, and create disputes among friends. I'd let it go. For all you know, this guy is actually the shark in the room and the rest of you just haven't realized it yet.

 

[shadyridr]

So let me see if understand this.The guy cuts Garcon, but you nab him. No problem here.The guy cuts Witten, and someone else nabs him. Now you don't like it.Is that about the size of it?

yep

 

[dagwood]

I wish my league had more active owners like this.

If you want everyone to play like you, just start your own league.

 

[Two Deep]

The guy who won our league last year had the following roster Flacco, Alex Smith, MJD Brandon Jacobs, Knowshon, Curtis Brinkley, D. Bowe, Plaxico, Crabtree, Hester, Vincent Jackson, Aaron Hernandez, T.O., Gostkowski, Buffalo D & Chicago DYou can flex a QB and there is no separate TE position (TEs are combined with WRs).I still have no idea how that happened.Point being, just because you think his team sucks doesn't mean it sucks. Stay out of it.

Yeah, but he cut Jason Witten. Let that sink in for a minute.

He's ahead of the curve. Jason Witten is washed up and he knows it.....time to replace him with the much targeted Martellus Bennett

 

[th3f00l]

So let me see if understand this.The guy cuts Garcon, but you nab him. No problem here.The guy cuts Witten, and someone else nabs him. Now you don't like it.Is that about the size of it?

Nobody has nabbed witten and I am the only one who could, and I actually do need a TE but I would like to give him the chance to fix his mistake.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So let me see if understand this.

The guy cuts Garcon, but you nab him. No problem here.

The guy cuts Witten, and someone else nabs him. Now you don't like it.

Is that about the size of it?

Nobody has nabbed witten and I am the only one who could, and I actually do need a TE but I would like to give him the chance to fix his mistake.

Here are Witten's stats from the first two weeks:
WK TM OPP TARG REC YD TD FPT1 DAL NYG 3 2 10 0 12 DAL SEA 10 4 58 0 5.8TOT --- --- 13 6 68 0 6.8And here are Martellus Bennett's:

WK	TM	OPP	TARG	REC	YD	TD	FPT1	NYG	DAL	6	4	40	1	102	NYG	TB	10	5	72	1	13.2TOT	---	---	16	9	112	2	23.2

Witten hasn't scored a TD since week 11 of last season. In fact, except for 2010 he's never really caught a lot of TDs. Meanwhile, Bennett has two in two games, and Eli looks to be force-feeding him the ball in the end zone. So what makes you so sure that dropping Witten for Bennett is a mistake? Just because he was drafted in round X and Bennett went undrafted? Sounds like your whole league dropped the ball on that one.

More importantly, what gives you the right to impose your personal valuations on other owners? Seems like it would make for a pretty boring game if everyone had the same opinions of all the players in the NFL.

 

[Psychopav]

Yeah, but he cut Jason Witten. Let that sink in for a minute.

I don't think OP provided all the details of his league, but FBG has Witten projected as the 7th-best TE going forward in Standard FBG scoring. He's projected as only marginally more valuable than the 13th overall guy (like, 1 point per game). So if it's a 10- or 12-team league where you only start 1 TE, it's not that outlandish to drop a guy like Witten, who has a total of 68 yards and 0 TDs through 2 weeks. He still has Heath Miller and added Martellus Bennett. And besides Witten, who else did he drop that you'd object to? It looks like a bunch of waiver wire fodder to me. People are high on Garcon but according to his FBG opinion blurb for this week, he's got something like turf toe that could keep him out for weeks.There's way too much of this stuff in fantasy football, where people think they can tell other people how much their players are worth. You see it when people clamor to overturn trades, you see it here where people are up in arms about perfectly reasonable add/drops. So maybe the guy is new to FF. Maybe he didn't draft exactly the way you're "supposed" to. Maybe he's now trying to fix up his roster going forward. It's not really up to anyone else to tell this guy whether or not Bennett will be a better fantasy TE this year than Witten.Besides, there's this:

all friends of mine, $20 buy in

Let the guy manage his team. What's the worst that happens if you do? He mismanages his team pretty badly and everyone gets to make fun of him. A few questionable drops result in a few owners getting better-than-usual players as free agents. The rest of you have one fewer tough team to contend with in your quest for non-life-changing money. This guy learns from the experience and comes back next year better prepared. Doesn't sound all that disastrous. On the other hand, the worst that happens if you do step in and try to micromanage this guy's team is that he gets insulted, loses interest, you create a rift in the league between other owners who think you're overstepping your bounds as commissioner, and create disputes among friends. I'd let it go. For all you know, this guy is actually the shark in the room and the rest of you just haven't realized it yet.

Sounds like the biggest knock on this guy is that he didn't reach out to the OP to try and trade his drops for better players than the waiver wire had available.

 

[th3f00l]

When he cut his eighth rounder, I personally didn't think too much of it. but after dropping his 5th and 6th I really questioned it. I will pass on Witten because I am really not that high on him either, but someone will scoop him up. The guy also thinks that stephens howling will have a better year than wells (by keeping him and dropping Wells), so oh well but he could easily drop a kicker or defense (which he has two of each) and hold on to Witten, Wells, or both. So is it way overstepping my bounds if I in some way let him know that he can still drop a K and/or Def and pick those two players back up (they are on W until sat)? Or sit back and let other members of the league grab them, which I am sure some will.

 

[th3f00l]

Based on the votes I am not going to do anything. The guy is my friend and want him to have fun, so if you guys think he will have more fun if I don't give him any pointers then so be it. I hope those of you condoning the roster moves saw his actual roster and which players he was keeping while dropping these players.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

When he cut his eighth rounder, I personally didn't think too much of it. but after dropping his 5th and 6th I really questioned it.

Read this.

So is it way overstepping my bounds if I in some way let him know that he can still drop a K and/or Def and pick those two players back up (they are on W until sat)? Or sit back and let other members of the league grab them, which I am sure some will.

I don't think there's any harm in reaching out to this guy to find out his thought process. Say, "Hey, I think Witten's a pretty good TE, are you sure you want to drop him? You can drop a kicker instead, and that way you can offer to trade Witten to another owner instead of just letting him go for free. There's this really great site called footballguys.com that can help you figure out what the consensus opinion is on player values." If he is appreciative, and decides that it really was a mistake to drop Witten, then let him reverse the move and let him know that you're doing it as a one time courtesy to him because he's new. And going forward, let the guy manage his team as he sees fit.

 

[th3f00l]

If he is appreciative, and decides that it really was a mistake to drop Witten, then let him reverse the move and let him know that you're doing it as a one time courtesy to him because he's new. And going forward, let the guy manage his team as he sees fit.

I wouldn't do that, unless the player was dropped on accident AND the manager contacted me immediately after.

he still has the second overall priority and I have the first. It looks like on Yahoo if you set waivers to reset and go in inverted order of rankings, it doesn't change after you make moves. I don't like that but in this system he could still get both players or just one back within the rules.

 

[Zoblefu]

For new players, I think they need to make their own mistakes and learn from them to figure out the game.

I'm all about giving new players a crapton of advice BEFORE the draft and the season start. After that, I will help them navigate the site, I will even teach them how to research and read about players themselves, but I will not give specific advice about their team. Once the draft has started, I am your opponent. As for being commish, if you do something on accident or need help with the site or to understand the rules, I'm there for you. But I don't like to offer unsolicited advice -- other than, as other posters said, in a fun 'poke fun at you' kind of way -- and then only if I think they can take it.

 

[Chaka]

The guy who won our league last year had the following roster Flacco, Alex Smith, MJD Brandon Jacobs, Knowshon, Curtis Brinkley, D. Bowe, Plaxico, Crabtree, Hester, Vincent Jackson, Aaron Hernandez, T.O., Gostkowski, Buffalo D & Chicago DYou can flex a QB and there is no separate TE position (TEs are combined with WRs).I still have no idea how that happened.Point being, just because you think his team sucks doesn't mean it sucks. Stay out of it.

Yeah, but he cut Jason Witten. Let that sink in for a minute.

Why is that a problem? Or are you being sarcastic?Witten has never been a big TD guy and there are a lot of other options in the passing game for the Cowboys.Bennett looks like he is getting all the TE looks in NY and Heath Miller has been a small revelation in Haley's offense.Nothing to see here. Let the guy run his team.

 

[MIMN]

Based on the votes I am not going to do anything. The guy is my friend and want him to have fun, so if you guys think he will have more fun if I don't give him any pointers then so be it. I hope those of you condoning the roster moves saw his actual roster and which players he was keeping while dropping these players.

I didn't read everything but I don't see any harm in asking if he is enjoying the league. If he is, it is only $20 if he loses. I don't think that the drops are players that are going to swing the league one way or the other. If he is struggling then give him some pointers to sites where he can get advice.You could also razz him on the message board for taking a run at the league record in transactions. Call him a genius for dropping players despite the fact that all sources see them as the higher value as say he must have inside knowledge.

 

[Chaka]

People, this is a $20 league full of friends. It's the commishioner's job to make sure the league thrives. If commish simply points out a few links to help this noob out, I don't see the problem.

I don't think helping the new owner has any impact on whether or not the league thrives. The new guy is a very active owner and it is owner participation that allows leagues to thrive and owner apathy that kills leagues.Back off commish.

 

[dagwood]

If he is appreciative, and decides that it really was a mistake to drop Witten, then let him reverse the move and let him know that you're doing it as a one time courtesy to him because he's new. And going forward, let the guy manage his team as he sees fit.

I wouldn't do that, unless the player was dropped on accident AND the manager contacted me immediately after.

he still has the second overall priority and I have the first. It looks like on Yahoo if you set waivers to reset and go in inverted order of rankings, it doesn't change after you make moves. I don't like that but in this system he could still get both players or just one back within the rules.

Just a minute. You are in first waiver position and he is second. That means his team outscored your team. That is to funny. Maybe you should ask him for advice.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

Just a minute. You are in first waiver position and he is second. That means his team outscored your team. That is to funny. Maybe you should ask him for advice.

i'm in one league where waiver position is solely a function of most recent waiver transaction activity.

 

[Pipes]

People, this is a $20 league full of friends. It's the commishioner's job to make sure the league thrives. If commish simply points out a few links to help this noob out, I don't see the problem.

Based on the setup of this league there is nothing wrong with steering the newbie towards resources to help him out. Obviously the commish shouldn't run this guys team for him but I don't this he's pushing for that.

 

[th3f00l]

Just a minute. You are in first waiver position and he is second. That means his team outscored your team. That is to funny. Maybe you should ask him for advice.

A litte off topic but this was my starting roster the last two weeks. If I grabbed witten almost my entire roster would depend on Dal QB

Peyton Manning

WR

Calvin Johnson

Dez Bryant

RB

DeMarco Murray

Week 1: Donald Brown 2: Adrian Peterson

TE

Greg olsen

W/R/T

Doug Martin

K

week 1: Matt Prater 2: Justin Tucker

DEF

Dallas

 

[Birdseed]

If he is appreciative, and decides that it really was a mistake to drop Witten, then let him reverse the move and let him know that you're doing it as a one time courtesy to him because he's new. And going forward, let the guy manage his team as he sees fit.

I wouldn't do that, unless the player was dropped on accident AND the manager contacted me immediately after.

he still has the second overall priority and I have the first. It looks like on Yahoo if you set waivers to reset and go in inverted order of rankings, it doesn't change after you make moves. I don't like that but in this system he could still get both players or just one back within the rules.

Just a minute. You are in first waiver position and he is second. That means his team outscored your team. That is to funny. Maybe you should ask him for advice.

 

[jdoggydogg]

People, this is a $20 league full of friends. It's the commishioner's job to make sure the league thrives. If commish simply points out a few links to help this noob out, I don't see the problem.

I don't think helping the new owner has any impact on whether or not the league thrives. The new guy is a very active owner and it is owner participation that allows leagues to thrive and owner apathy that kills leagues.Back off commish.

Honestly, I can't argue with your point. I just don't have a problem with a commish lending a hand to this guy. This isn't a $1,000 league where every edge you can get really means something.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Years from now, he'll laugh at how awful he was-- chasing last week's stats (Ogletree, Battle), not being patient enough with players, etc. You might have forgotten, but you probably went through it, too.

He's not cutting Cam or Steve Smith. Witten isn't going to turn a bottom-feeder into a champion. Let it go, and let him make his mistakes.

That being said, nothing wrong with some friendly talk during the week about fantasy football (isn't that the point of having a league with friends?) and discussing his strategy in general terms. Now that it's been a couple of weeks, you can rib him for chasing stats with Ogletree. He still suffers from making the move, but you can help him see where he went wrong.

In the future, he's going to get beat up in trades, too. He'll also make bad lineup decisions. Then he'll have a year where he takes players from his favorite team. Or he'll draft Akers in the fifth round because he wants to lock that position up. And you should let him do all of that.

When he beats everyone like a drum and wins the league five years from now, those struggles are why it will mean something to him well beyond the $.

 

[Arizona Ron]

He's baiting you; he'll lose then vote to bump the buy in next year to $2,000. You’ll think it’s free money and get taken to the cleaners. I can’t believe you’re not seeing this.

 

[Shawn]

Ever hear of a "do not drop list"? Use one!!!

 

[hutchins929]

 

[footballnerd]

1. Garcon has Lis Franc

2. Bennett will outscore Witten

3. Your friend will kick all yalls arses and win it.

 

[da_budman]

Long time commish and my stance has always been: During the regular season If they ask for my opinion on something, I give it honestly but I dont go out of my way to offer advice. When post season starts: No more advice given. Not sure if that is right or wrong its just how Ive always done it.

 

[nyy45]

You have to let him know but don't make it seem like he's stupid for dropping certain player, but just let him know that whoever he drops effects the rest of the league and there may be players he is dropping that other teams in the league want and he could have traded rather than dropped. Just direct him to a rotoworld or some mainstream site like that to help him make some decisions

 

[nyy45]

To add to my comment above, maybe this is an overgeneralization but it seems to me that seasoned fantasy football vets don't like to have new guys in a league that are this haphazard with their team management

 

[Bronco Nation]

MYOB, Commish. You think he's too dumb to Google 'fantasy football advice'? Awful low opinion of your 'friend' you have there. Put another way, would you give him 100:1 odds on $100 bet that Witten will outscore Bennett moving forward? That Ogletree -or- Washington won't outscore Garcon moving forward? If not, then you don't really *know* what you think you know. Your crystal ball is no clearer than his.

Don't go trying to offer him advice. I can tell by the tone of your posts in this thread that you'll come across as a putz and offend and/or embarrass your 'friend'. I hope you come back after Week 13 and tell us how much better his record is than yours.

It's twenty flipping dollars - let him run the team like he wants to and have fun.

 

[That Green Gentleman]

When he cut his eighth rounder, I personally didn't think too much of it. but after dropping his 5th and 6th I really questioned it. I will pass on Witten because I am really not that high on him either, but someone will scoop him up. The guy also thinks that stephens howling will have a better year than wells (by keeping him and dropping Wells), so oh well but he could easily drop a kicker or defense (which he has two of each) and hold on to Witten, Wells, or both. So is it way overstepping my bounds if I in some way let him know that he can still drop a K and/or Def and pick those two players back up (they are on W until sat)? Or sit back and let other members of the league grab them, which I am sure some will.

Based on his move for Bennet, I'm Queuing Stephens-Howling. Maybe this guy has insider knowledge.

 

[Sweet Love]

Now this is really sad - I have Garcon and Washington in one league.I am looking to dump/trade both of them as well.He added Ogletree, Gibson, Miller & Bennett? Well those guys sure do hang around the end zone a lot.I would take Bennett & Miller over Witten.Bully for him.It's a 'win now' game.

This is where I stand...truth is 90% of us will be holding Witten until his sack reaches his knees, but the truth is, he is going to slow down at some point. Really looks like it could be this year, and the majority of us will pat ourselves on the back and think, "hey, who could have known", where this guy is in a truly redraft mode and riding the hottest hand...now he could have tried to trade Witten, but truth is, I find his approach refreshing...this guy sniffs dead weight and spits in its face.

 

[Dentist]

I wish my league had more active owners like this.If you want everyone to play like you, just start your own league.

agree in part. we have plenty of guys who just draft and are done with it..and they wonder why they don't win.a $20 league (unless you are under 16 y.o.) is only one step above a free league.. it's pretty meaningless money that isn't going to change anyone's month let alone their life... let it ride... maybe point the guy in the direction of a basic strategy free website... but otherwise, let it go.I've done the giving advice thing before.. you just have to understand that many people don't really give a crap, they think they want to play fantasy football because it sounds fun and like a good idea, but they aren't passionate about it so they make a lot of errors, or even worse don't even try..... let it be.It does pain me when people start guys who are injured or on bye week, or are rostering guys with no value or who are out for the season, but whatev.Most people make bad decisions most of the time. It's hard to deal with. Play blackjack at a low limit table for a few hours sometime.. you'll want to pull your hair out... it's their money, let them lose. Some people play games and are ok with losing and have no intention of playing the game any better or to win.