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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (2 Viewers)

How would you like to see the FFA moderated?

  • More heavily moderated than it is now with time outs given much more frequently for unexcellent beha

    Votes: 42 11.4%

  • A little more moderated than it is now with time outs given a little more frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 73 19.8%

  • Keep it like it is now

    Votes: 119 32.3%

  • A little less moderated than it is now with time outs given a little less frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 63 17.1%

  • A lot less moderated than it is now with time outs given much less frequently for unexcellent behavi

    Votes: 71 19.3%
  • Total voters
    368
Chemical X said:
If you post here, I assume you have thick skin.  I am not forced into threads or arguments or even posting.  Don't take this personally, but DD shouldn't be a poster here, especially is he is gonna have thin skin.  I don't think this has anything to do with anything other than DD not liking us not drinking the Dear Leader Kool-Aid, Oh Yeah.  
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Not everyone has thick skin.  There's a couple of mods banning people for posting a  :lmao:  even though the responses to those posts are just as bad if not worse.  The fact  :lmao:  bothers someone is mind-boggling and banning someone for it is laughable especially considering the other nonsense that gets posted daily.  

I don't think it has anything to do with DD's political opinions.  I think it's exactly what he said it was.  People antagonize each other instead of reply to points.  In other words, many people aren't out to just make a point and move on.  They are out to win an argument and rub in the other guys face and act like tools.  There's a difference.  My 2 cents.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Not everyone has thick skin.  There's a couple of mods banning people for posting a  :lmao:  even though the responses to those posts are just as bad if not worse.  The fact  :lmao:  bothers someone is mind-boggling and banning someone for it is laughable especially considering the other nonsense that gets posted daily.  

I don't think it has anything to do with DD's political opinions.  I think it's exactly what he said it was.  People antagonize each other instead of reply to points.  In other words, many people aren't out to just make a point and move on.  They are out to win an argument and rub in the other guys face and act like tools.  There's a difference.  My 2 cents.
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For once I agree with you Rambling Wreck. And in truth I found myself guilty of this: not insulting anyone exactly, but replying to the person rather than to the issue. 

I've tried to stop that. I've also tried to be less repetitive, which is a criticism you have made about me in the past. If you look through the latest Trump thread, you'll find I posted far less often in it than I used to. And all of my posts focused on issues, like Obamacare or nuclear weapons, rather than people. 

Yet for some guys around here it doesn't make any difference. Walking Boot seems to think that all of this forum's problems would be solved if I were only permabanned. 

 
Chemical X said:
If you post here, I assume you have thick skin.  I am not forced into threads or arguments or even posting.  Don't take this personally, but DD shouldn't be a poster here, especially is he is gonna have thin skin.  I don't think this has anything to do with anything other than DD not liking us not drinking the Dear Leader Kool-Aid, Oh Yeah.  




 
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I did not post in that thread for the last week.  I watched and it was the same nonsense over and over.  Tons of personal attacks.  No less than 5-10 people a day complaining about someone not being excellent and demanding they be banned.  Posts needing to be pruned/deleted.  People giving warnings and timeouts, etc.  Done with it.      

 
David Dodds said:
Time for some of you to find a new forum.
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I've only started looking this week since the place is going downhill rapidly, but there actually are some good well-moderated forums with similar content & demographics. As usual, you give prescient advice. :thumbup:  

 
David Dodds said:
I did not post in that thread for the last week.  I watched and it was the same nonsense over and over.  Tons of personal attacks.  No less than 5-10 people a day complaining about someone not being excellent and demanding they be banned.  Posts needing to be pruned/deleted.  People giving warnings and timeouts, etc.  Done with it.      
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Well, this part I was not aware of.  This board has 99% solid posters and 1% morons.  Just ditch the morons and move on.

If I'm deemed a moron, so be it.  But, IMO, if you have ever reported anyone, you shouldn't be here.  

I have no beef with you, heck, I don't know you, but I have never been a fan of punish everyone for the actions of a few (the baby/bathwater argument).  

 
McGarnicle said:
I've only started looking this week since the place is going downhill rapidly, but there actually are some good well-moderated forums with similar content & demographics. As usual, you give prescient advice. :thumbup:  
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I could do that I suppose...but I really like the people I've gotten to know here over the years. I love discussing politics with Saints and Loan Sharks and Tobias and you McGarnicle. I love reading the well thought out posts by Ivan and Ramsay Hunt and Ditkaless Wonders. 

I think the good people around here far outweigh the bad. 

 
You can tell by my post count I don't post often but I have been on this board for longer than I care to admit and read a great number of threads. I feel compelled to post now because this whole thing with the deleting of threads by the owner/mod is so over the top and makes little sense. I have been following the threads in question and there is a fair amount of lack of civility but none more so than in other threads and none more so than in years past. The owner/mod can say all he wants that it is due to the nonsense but it obviously due to being challenged for his thinking.

Although certain posters should have been banned in the way they challenged him, his response was both childish and unprofessional ... and I know childish and unprofessional behavior ... I work for the federal government.

 
An Escape From New York type political forum would help.Kick the hoops guys out and put it there

stray from there with political talk and it should be a perm ban

 
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Atomic Punk said:
You can tell by my post count I don't post often but I have been on this board for longer than I care to admit and read a great number of threads. I feel compelled to post now because this whole thing with the deleting of threads by the owner/mod is so over the top and makes little sense. I have been following the threads in question and there is a fair amount of lack of civility but none more so than in other threads and none more so than in years past. The owner/mod can say all he wants that it is due to the nonsense but it obviously due to being challenged for his thinking.

Although certain posters should have been banned in the way they challenged him, his response was both childish and unprofessional ... and I know childish and unprofessional behavior ... I work for the federal government.
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rational thought, well presented is intriguing.  I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 
timschochet said:
I could do that I suppose...but I really like the people I've gotten to know here over the years. I love discussing politics with Saints and Loan Sharks and Tobias and you McGarnicle. I love reading the well thought out posts by Ivan and Ramsay Hunt and Ditkaless Wonders. 

I think the good people around here far outweigh the bad. 
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Please.  You just like lists.  And drafts of lists.  And lists of drafts.  And lists of lists.  And drafts of drafts. 

 
I wish I could understand the desire to discuss politics to the extent so many of you here do.  I truly don't get it. 

Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are lots of things that I don't have interest in that many others will. There are plenty of threads that fit that bill: running thread, gambling thread, etc.

But the sheer volume of political discourse here over so many threads where it seems it's just one side vs another....I don't get it. It feels like playing tic tac toe over and over and over and over again. What's the point?

 
HellToupee said:
An Escape From New York type political forum would help.Kick the hoops guys out and put it there

stray from there with political talk and it should be a perm ban
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Nope. Can't be all politics when we are talking Trump. The guy did an interview in People magazine acting as his own publicist talking about how Trump was an amazing guy who banged as many broads as he wanted, he had his own fake university, he's colored like an oompa loompa, he spent 8 years saying Obama was born in Africa, he has his own board game, he hosted Celebrity Apprentice.

There is too much stuff there to only do politics.

 
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Slapdash said:
Have some links?
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I found one in particular that I wouldn't even share in this cesspool. I can tell you that many hobbies/interests and even authors/bloggers have discussion forums, and many of those have subforums where current events are discussed.

 
The General said:
Nope. Can't be all politics when we are talking Trump. The guy did an interview in People magazine acting his own publicist talking about how Trump was an amazing guy who banged as many broads as he wanted, he had his own fake university, he's colored like an oompa loompa, he spent 8 years saying Obama was born in Africa, he has his own board game, he hosted Celebrity Apprentice.

There is too much stuff there to only do politics.
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You want this bad.....if you pull this out it will be quite the feat. 

 
MaxThreshold said:
Maybe he did, but the fact that Bruce Dickenson DIDN'T get banned or suspended for months defies all logic.  Some guy gets banned for posting an emoticon but one guy goes off and CLEARLY has an unexcellent post by ANY standard and he goes as free as bird (pidgeon?).  No penalty whatsoever.
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We need him for Disney updates.   Hth.

 
Well, bummer.  Thought the discourse had been pretty good this week.  Not perfect, but a big improvement since last week's lecture.  With the volume of trolls reduced they were easier to ignore, saw a lot more questions asked than accusations.

But, Dodds doesn't owe us anything and isn't under any obligation to allow all topics to be discussed.  

 
Somewhat fitting end to a thread about a president-elect who many consider to be an authoritarian leader who attempts to use his power to suppress speech opposite to his views.

It's sad though, and at a time when it's more important than ever to have people willing to question openly the decisions and actions of our leaders.  

I've already said I'd be fine with a politics forum if that's what has to happen, but it seems relatively clear that questioning Donald Trump or those who support him is what's not OK here (in addition to personal attacks).  I'm very familiar with political threads here, and the Obama threads were just as bad as any of the Trump threads we've seen in terms of content AND personal attacks, but it's likely the leadership here agreed more with the critics back then and took a softer view of the attacks than they do with people who are against Trump.

I came back specifically to discuss with smart people the impacts of a Trump presidency and if that's now off-limits, there's really no reason to stick around.  I know it's not a loss to the forum as a whole to lose someone genuinely interested in dialogue about this issue, because I'm just one person and not a particularly well-know/liked person here, but I fear this is emblematic of what's going on across our country and it should be very concerning to people.  

The FFA since I've been here (2003) has been a place where most anything could be discussed, and opposing views weren't silenced.  Through the GWB years, through the harshness of opposition to Obama, most threads were OK.  But here we are, about to enter a Trump presidency, and the rules have changed.  I gotta say, this is one of the canaries in the coalmine of America turning up dead.  Call me overdramatic as I'm sure many will, but it's concerning.  Have fun guys.

 
I would like this forum moderated however the owners want it moderated, at which point I will decide whether to post here.

Seriously, folks, we are all adults here.  I know we are all invested in discussing things over time, but whatever Dodds/Bryant decide is fine.  It's their house. If we can't talk about politics at their place, we can't.  Plenty of other places to do that.  Probably too many.  Let's focus on the common ground stuff, like yoga pants and cat videos.

 
Henry Ford said:
I would like this forum moderated however the owners want it moderated, at which point I will decide whether to post here.

Seriously, folks, we are all adults here.  I know we are all invested in discussing things over time, but whatever Dodds/Bryant decide is fine.  It's their house. If we can't talk about politics at their place, we can't.  Plenty of other places to do that.  Probably too many.  Let's focus on the common ground stuff, like yoga pants and cat videos.




 
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And sandwiches, don't forget about sandwiches.

 
I try not to venture into the political threads much because I find most "discussion" on this board to be pretty futile.

But what this thread tells me is holy #### there are a lot of whiny grown men on this board.  

Reporting people?  Putting them on ignore?  Incessantly complaining about their posting habits?  Jesus H Christ it's a wonder some of you people can get through real life.

 
Walking Boot said:
Beyond ridiculous to try and stop politics threads, yet not permaban Tim. He's going to start needling the boundaries within hours, and his obnoxious rhetoric will start dragging down the tone of discussion in his wake. 

It's time for Tim to be gone forever. It would be our greatest Christmas miracle. 
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No need to ban Tim. If political threads end, he'll just leave. 

 
shuke said:
But what this thread tells me is holy #### there are a lot of whiny grown men on this board.  

Reporting people?  Putting them on ignore?  Incessantly complaining about their posting habits?  Jesus H Christ it's a wonder some of you people can get through real life.
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You must not have been in these threads. There was a lot of weird and juvenile stuff. 

And I agree with the bolded. Who cares??

 
Henry Ford said:
Sure.  He's only the most prolific poster here despite constantly being asked to stop that. I have no doubt he will immediately leave, having no perceived "investment" in discussing things here.
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And then he will never get political, either. 

I like tim, personally. I personally have thought that there's a little more behind tim than we think. 

eta* Also, way to talk me down. Thanks. I posted that and immediately regretted it, but got caught in a line at a store.   

 
Otis said:
Some of you guys care way too much about stupid crap. 
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If we cared about stupid crap, GB, we'd be on your potato diet. 

:P

By the way, just so you know, I wasn't in on almost all of the Trump threads. That got crazy and why the hammer was swung, in my opinion, incorrectly.  

But it's their site.  

 
adonis said:
But here we are, about to enter a Trump presidency, and the rules have changed.  I gotta say, this is one of the canaries in the coalmine of America turning up dead.  Call me overdramatic as I'm sure many will, but it's concerning.  Have fun guys.
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Not overdramatic per se, but you may be reading a bit too much into what went down. The site cofounder embarrassed himself, got called out, and took his ball and went home. That he's a Trump supporter and his decision is irrational, short-sighted and reeks of pettiness is a nice bit of irony though.

 
Dodds made the right call, it had turned into no stop whining, personal attacks, and completely bashing a guy that hasn't even taken office yet. Fakes claiming they want to examine policy but only wanted to attack. People in favor of the change couldn't get a word in without personal attacks from internet tough guys. Really was sad and pathetic. Good move to clean it up.....'Tis the Season fellas and a lot more positive threads to contribute to. 

 
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McGarnicle said:
Not overdramatic per se, but you may be reading a bit too much into what went down. The site cofounder embarrassed himself, got called out, and took his ball and went home. That he's a Trump supporter and his decision is irrational, short-sighted and reeks of pettiness is a nice bit of irony though.
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This is funny coming from one of the biggest #### starters on this board. 

Merry Christmas

 
McGarnicle said:
Not overdramatic per se, but you may be reading a bit too much into what went down. The site cofounder embarrassed himself, got called out, and took his ball and went home. That he's a Trump supporter and his decision is irrational, short-sighted and reeks of pettiness is a nice bit of irony though.
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I don't think he's a trump supporter. He was just anti-Hillary. Common mistake on these forums. 

 
GoBirds said:
Dodds made the right call, it had turned into no stop whining, personal attacks, and completely bashing a guy that hasn't even taken office yet. Fakes claiming they want to examine policy but only wanted to attack. People in favor of the change couldn't get a word in without personal attacks from internet tough guys. Really was sad and pathetic. Good move to clean it up.....'Tis the Season fellas and a lot more positive threads to contribute to. 
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Yes.  The thread about listing 3 policy items you wanted from Trump was a perfect example. Everyone that posted got ripped.   That thread was trash by page 2.  

 
Yea, it's fair and consistent:

Someone calls the owner of the site some very bad stuff, no timeout - I tell someone they're a "bad poster" & I get 5 days.

 
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