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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)

How would you like to see the FFA moderated?

  • More heavily moderated than it is now with time outs given much more frequently for unexcellent beha

    Votes: 42 11.4%

  • A little more moderated than it is now with time outs given a little more frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 73 19.8%

  • Keep it like it is now

    Votes: 119 32.3%

  • A little less moderated than it is now with time outs given a little less frequently for unexcellent

    Votes: 63 17.1%

  • A lot less moderated than it is now with time outs given much less frequently for unexcellent behavi

    Votes: 71 19.3%
  • Total voters
    368
Ramblin Wreck said:
You got 29K posts here and say I need to get a life.   :lmao:

Which is your shtick you resort too when your buddies get called out.  It's amazing you free speech guys get people banned for saying stuff you don't like.  
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my buddies???

29K posts over 14 years?   I haven't been around much the last 4 or 5 years...but nice try.

 
HellToupee said:
All kidding and schtick aside he has some insight as to what you are going through and wanted to help . 
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True story.  Which is why I believe he wasn't taking a shot at Tim's wife.  It might have come off wrong but whatever political beefs any of us have here, I think most of us are pretty cool about each other's family stuff.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
True story.  Which is why I believe he wasn't taking a shot at Tim's wife.  It might have come off wrong but whatever political beefs any of us have here, I think most of us are pretty cool about each other's family stuff.
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He was not trying to help me in any way. I don't know where you are getting this, but you're wrong.

 
timschochet said:
Sure HT.
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It was delivered wrongly , somewhat out of frustration  . But I 100% believe what he's said about the situation. 

Anyway this is the last I'll mention it. I know there is no changing your mind , just wanted to give you some different perspective

 
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On the one hand, if you air personal stuff, you are kind of opening yourself up to someone bringing that stuff up, especially when you troll as much as Tim does, but on the other hand, taking legit cheap shots at someone's family is pretty low.  That is something I would never do. 

 
HellToupee said:
Ok so Im answering this then Im done. 

Thats not what he posted. Thats how you remember it out of anger. I don't blame you for being angry if thats what you believe. Rashomon 
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HT, if what he answered was so much more benign than how I remember it, why did the moderators choose to remove it and ban him?

 
Ghost Rider said:
On the one hand, if you air personal stuff, you are kind of opening yourself up to someone bringing that stuff up, especially when you troll as much as Tim does, but on the other hand, taking legit cheap shots at someone's family is pretty low.  That is something I would never do. 
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This is the 3rd time somebody here has referred to me as a troll today (all of them conservatives, BTW.) I honestly don't understand it. There are times I joke around, but when I do I think it's pretty clear that I am joking. 95% of time, particularly in political discussions, I am dead serious, and my posts are almost always designed, hopefully, to create or continue serious discussion, of which I always take part. Though the phrase "internet troll" has no real definition, my understanding is it involves deliberately trying to provoke others in a false manner, and/or delivering mockeries and insults without engaging in real discussion. I would think I represent the opposite of that.

As far as my personal life, I don't talk about it very often (simply because I don't think most of you would find it very interesting.) I started that thread the one time because I thought I could get good advice on a serious issue (which I did.)

 
timschochet said:
This is the 3rd time somebody here has referred to me as a troll today (all of them conservatives, BTW.) I honestly don't understand it. There are times I joke around, but when I do I think it's pretty clear that I am joking. 95% of time, particularly in political discussions, I am dead serious, and my posts are almost always designed, hopefully, to create or continue serious discussion, of which I always take part. Though the phrase "internet troll" has no real definition, my understanding is it involves deliberately trying to provoke others in a false manner, and/or delivering mockeries and insults without engaging in real discussion. I would think I represent the opposite of that.
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I didn't say you were a troll (a noun) this time; I said you troll (a verb). 

I am not a conservative; I am an independent, but given how extreme you are on certain issues, I can see why you think anyone who isn't as extreme as you is the opposite. 

If a lot of the #### you post isn't trolling, meaning stupid stuff said to get reactions out of people, then you have the least amount of self-awareness of anybody ever, which I do not think is the case. You turn every thread into one about you.  Every time. That is textbook trolling. 

 
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HellToupee said:
11 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Wow. Out of frustration? "No wonder your wife is a xxxxxx". Think again. JFC
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Ok so Im answering this then Im done. 
Thats not what he posted. Thats how you remember it out of anger. I don't blame you for being angry if thats what you believe. Rashomon 
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Wrong.

That is exactly what he posted, practically word-for-word. I remember it well. It was jaw dropping to see it and I was stunned that anybody could take such a cheap shot over some personal information someone had shared to get some advice and input on this forum. It was appalling and beyond the pale even given the trolling history of this poster.

 
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sho nuff said:
And apparently monitoring another to keep a notebook on zingers of others who post there.
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Man your words today were no better than the crap trump spews.  Remember when he made fun of someone handicapped and then justified it?  That's exactly how you sound right now. Instead of owning your classless disgusting choice of words you're trying to deflect and attack me. Sorry sho but you revealed yourself today especially when you aren't even enbarrassed by your poor choice.  

 
timschochet said:
HT, if what he answered was so much more benign than how I remember it, why did the moderators choose to remove it and ban him?
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People saw  he made a comment about someones wife and it turned into a grease fire.  Listen I don't like mentioning family in any negative posts. I would have jumped on too if he threw a shot at your wife.  They all bum rushed him because of his edgy rep . If mods or a mod got 10 reports and they saw it was him they probably just whacked him.

Listen I like busting your balls sometimes but this is BS free . 

 
Higgs said:
Because I'm half Sicilian?  Because where I grew up if someone punched you, you'd better damn sure punch them back?  Who knows.  I've always said in here I'm a work in progress.  Who knows, maybe we will all mellow with age and things will get better.  I could see that happening.
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You expect everyone else here to be a finished product.  

 
timschochet said:
This is the 3rd time somebody here has referred to me as a troll today (all of them conservatives, BTW.) I honestly don't understand it. There are times I joke around, but when I do I think it's pretty clear that I am joking. 95% of time, particularly in political discussions, I am dead serious, and my posts are almost always designed, hopefully, to create or continue serious discussion, of which I always take part. Though the phrase "internet troll" has no real definition, my understanding is it involves deliberately trying to provoke others in a false manner, and/or delivering mockeries and insults without engaging in real discussion. I would think I represent the opposite of that.

As far as my personal life, I don't talk about it very often (simply because I don't think most of you would find it very interesting.) I started that thread the one time because I thought I could get good advice on a serious issue (which I did.)
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Tim - your mailbox is full....  Hey - good luck with the wife.  It's a problem I know all too well, and it's nothing to make light of.  We've disagreed on a lot of topics in here, but I've always found you to be a great guy, a straight shooter, and a good citizen in here.  Just so you know, I spoke with Beav after that incident and he expressed genuine remorse over it.  Just thought you should know.  

 
I cleared my mailbox. 

I'm always willing to believe in the best of everyone. It would be real difficult however in this case for me to think that what was written was not what I thought it was. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I don't see anything wrong with roadkill1292's post.

"Disinterest" as a noun denoting a lack of interest is perfectly fine.

(On the other hand, "disinterested" as an adjective, when used as a synonym for "uninterested," should be sneered at.)
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That particular one? I don't, either. I'm not sure calling somebody an idiot bot is a problem. 

This stems from way back when he wished someone death and was given a chance to apologize and refused. I don't get things like that. I've kicked and spit and pitched fits on these boards and always tried to make up afterwards. 

I was thinking he was using it in this sense.  

 
Higgs said:
Yet roadkill is still here, isn't he?  

As is Tanner who has said far worse about my mother, over and over again - and has about a dozen aliases.

As is Bucky, who made a comment about the owner that was despicable - was perma-banned - and then let back in 2 months later to continue polluting the board.

As is wackpack, a troll alias created a few weeks ago to create threads with the title "How to spot a racist on the board" which was directed at me exclusively, and "when will Higgs be banned?"

As is Dickinson who called the owner a ####### ###.

eh, #### this place.
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I like this place.  I pretty much like everybody here. I do not respect roadkill for pulling that stuff and not even attempting to reconcile. I don't get that. I guess you don't have to like everybody in this world, which makes my distaste for him I guess okay, even though it makes me uncomfortable.  

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
He used the noun.
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Still the second definition. It's the first definition for a transitive verb, according to Merriam Webster. Like I said, though, that was really about not caring for someone who continues to toss around language and not attempt to reconcile at all. I'll defer to you on usage. Meanwhile, from Oxford.  

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/disinterested-or-uninterested

The difference between disinterested and uninterested is often controversial. According to traditional guidelines, disinterested should never be used to mean ‘not interested’ (i.e. it is not a synonym for uninterested) but only to mean ‘impartial’, as in 'the judgements of disinterested outsiders are likely to be more useful'. Ironically, the earliest recorded sense of disinterested is for the disputed sense. Today, the ‘incorrect’ use of disinterested is widespread: around a quarter of citations in the Oxford English Corpus for disinterested are for this sense.

 
The second definition of the noun is perfectly fine. Your link pertains to the adjective disinterested, not to the noun disinterest.

ETA: The reason "disinterested" should not be used as a synonym for "uninterested" is that "uninterested" is already a word. By contrast, "uninterest" is not a word; so "disinterst" is the noun meaning both impartiality and lack of interest.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
You got 29K posts here and say I need to get a life.   :lmao:

Which is your shtick you resort too when your buddies get called out.  It's amazing you free speech guys get people banned for saying stuff you don't like.  
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Unless he stalks you to another board and then tries to bring in some stuff out of context you're not looking like you are winning this point.

Seriously that is get a life territory. And before you cite my number of posts know it's way low. If it weren't for thread pruning it would probably be over 100k. I still don't go looking for people on other forums because I have an I-ax to grind. And the name was applied to him so he turned it back on the other poster. Seems like an attack would be more what you should be looking for not defense, I mean if you are going to go to all that trouble. Which seems a little weird honestly. Even creepy.

And of course the posting mores of some sites are different than this ones. There are sites where you can curse and it isn't censored. Or where you can say anything you want no problem. So things are going to be done differently there. What's done here is what matters here.

The moderation here has always been uneven. Weird reasons and sometimes seeming no reason. But it isn't an easy thing to do and sometimes people just piss you off and you really don't have to take their crap as it's your site. And yes even people from the left have been banned. I have seen a lot of people banned or run off from every side you want to think of. Longevity lends perspective.

The whole martyr thing is also not a good look.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Then why do you insist on inserting so many personal attacks and judgments of others into your posts when they disagree with you?
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I don't.  I call people out for being lying idiotic jerks based purely on the content of their post.  Case and point here.  I actually have normal conversations with the vast majority of posters here.  But there are a handful that view the world thru political leanings and make personal attacks on every post and are unable to engage in a normal conversation with those on the other side.  

 
timschochet said:
 (The anti-Trump side certainly also engages in personal insults, but IMO to a lesser amount.)
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I disagree.  The majority of posts in reponse to anything that can be viewed as even slightly defending Trump get met with almost entirely personal attacks.   The level of hate from the anti-trump crowd exceeds anything I have seen in politics.   Of course I never wandered into any pro-trump threads during the election, because I really don't care for him, so i lack some perspective there.  But the anti-Trumpsters as a group have been the worst I have ever seen.  It is rabid hatred and always making it very personal. 

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Bruce told the owner F You, MFer and didn't even get a timeout.
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First... I didn't say that.  Your notebook sucks.

One of the many challenges in trying to engage you in discussion is you have no sense of context.  Allow me to give you some...

I'm quite fond of David and Joe.  I wrote a few game recaps for them back in the early days of the site and it was an absolute blast.  I learned so much football and fantasy football from that experience and that first crew of game recappers.  I think it's really neat that they keep this sandbox open after all these years, and it's been interesting watching them adapt to changes in their market.

David is fascinating to me.  The biggest life lesson he's taught me is what an amazing thrill it is to bet on yourself.  Some of my bets on myself have crapped out.  A couple have been jackpots.  I am forever thankful for the stories he's shared about his entrepreneurial spirit, and for popping the hood on his mix of conventional and unconventional thinking.  David is an outlier, and so is his life.  

He was always a great read during the poker craze; even though I wasn't comfortable adapting his playing style, his generosity sharing hand histories and walking through tournaments made me a much better player.  Oh man, what fun the UHEM and Case Ace guys were.  

David has shared some of his challenges and triumphs as a parent.  I remember cheering out loud one night reading about one of the greater successes.

David and I have never met in person like he has with so many others here, but I feel like I kind of know him, and we go way back.  My fondness for him is genuine, and it came about organically like my fondness for many other users here.  Yes, he happens to be an owner of the site, but I like him because of who he is, not what he is. 

I'm not critical of David often.  I don't complain a lot about how the site is moderated.  I get its humans making human decisions about something that is not their highest priority of their work or their day.   On the incident you so often bring up as if it's some huge scandal that someone here used words the language filter filtered out (I mean, seriously, if there was ever a time on this board to tell someone to suck it up, you snowflake... suck it up, you snowflake)... I thought David crossed the line with another user here, I called him out on it, I explained my feelings and conclusions in detail, and at the end of it I used language that was inappropriate even though it was how I felt, and it did not come out of nowhere.  I didn't just swear at a site owner.  There was a lot more to it.  Maybe David felt that way, too.  In all your many, many complaints about me and that day... have you ever asked David about it directly?  If not, why haven't you?  You certainly care about it a great deal, more than either of the participants seem to care about it.    

Why you choose to reject any other information about the incident is way beyond me, but it's definitely created a barrier to you having a proper understanding of what happened.  And you create barriers like that one frequently.  It's like you're not even trying to understand the context of situations, and instead picking and choosing little details and moments here and there to try to push your own false narrative.  About what goes on in the high-stakes world of a fantasy football message board.    

 
jon_mx said:
I don't.  I call people out for being lying idiotic jerks based purely on the content of their post.  Case and point here.  I actually have normal conversations with the vast majority of posters here.  But there are a handful that view the world thru political leanings and make personal attacks on every post and are unable to engage in a normal conversation with those on the other side.  
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I didn't say you did.  I wasn't calling out a wide range of users here.  It was a direct question directed at one user.  

I don't have any beef with you.  If anything, I think your sense of humor is underrated here.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I didn't say you did.  I wasn't calling out a wide range of users here.  It was a direct question directed at one user.  

I don't have any beef with you.  If anything, I think your sense of humor is underrated here.
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Ok.  Sorry.  Somehow when I clicked on notifications it took me to your post instead of the one above.  I thought it was directed at me.  The bad part of using an older iPhone is the limited screen size.  

 
So, Mr Fantasy got perma banned. 

If someone could link to a post of his that contributed positively, I'd be pretty surprised

 
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