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FFA Moderation Thoughts - What Do You Think? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Joe Bryant
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It is pretty black and white. Although I realize mods don't have time to go through history.
History would have little to do with it. You've been here long enough to know if you tell another poster "F-you" you are going to get a suspension. Context won't matter to much to a mod in that situation.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
This is why I'm glad there is a separate political forum. With that crap out of sight, I'm not tempted to open a thread and jump into the fray. Because I know I can't express my true thoughts about Trump and his supporters without getting timeouts repeatedly. And almost all of them are trolls so they put lots of bait out there. I admire guys like Tim and Saints because I definitely don't have their temperament to sit there calmly and reasonably debate some really absurd stuff with people who either don't respond at all when they're beaten, or resort to some cheap wisecrack or an emoticon.
Chemical X
Footballguy
wait a second, someone from msnbc had sex with a bird? purple monkey dishwasher?
Certainly. And I don't mind a good nature comment in a friendly discussion. But when a guy who clearly hates your guts and stalks you with it, it goes way beyond ball busting. The creator of that went through 4 different now banned aliases spanning over a couple of years. That gets old and not funny.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
The stalking thing is really, really dumb. Try putting someone on ignore, never responding to anything they say, even indirectly, and see if they "stalk" you. if you're being "stalked" by someone, it's 100% on you.
the rover
Footballguy
If someone hates your guts on this message board that says more about them than it does about you. Someone like that is not worth you wasting your effort or time stressing or worrying about.
Donkey Derp
Footballguy
It's hilarious that he intentionally repeated the same offensive line 17 times and your thought was to call it a long and detailed apology.
GoBirds
Footballguy
No stress here, just discussing it as it was brought up in the appropriate thread. I think the people that mention it are fine ignoring trolls but value the board here and want to know where the line is and if stuff like that is ok or if the hammer will be dropped on us.
why would I ignore you? I don't have a problem with you, just saying that if you feel Bruce or whomever is genuinely trolling you repeatedly then just ignore them and report them. It's not worth you getting yourself stressed out over it.
Emotions run high on some topics and hit close to home on some folks. I'm of the belief that if someone can't have a conversation with someone who has a different view point without making it personal it's probably not a conversation that's worth having.
GoBirds
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Hey we are Skins and Eagles fans and we make it work.
Emotions run high on some topics and hit close to home on some folks. I'm of the belief that if someone can't have a conversation with someone who has a different view point without making it personal it's probably not a conversation that's worth having.
Theres a long history to this topic that isn't worth the whole discussion but get your point.
whoa, whoa, whoa settle down....The Eagles still suckHey we are Skins and Eagles fans and we make it work.
Theres a long history to this topic that isn't worth the whole discussion but get your point.
Although Wentz is much better than I expected, but I'm torn because I'm a big Doug Pederson fan and have wanted him to do well (just not in Philly). Sproles out for the year sucks too, he's a solid guy and fun to watch 14 weeks a year.
Fair point.
We'll try to do our best there. I think for the most part, we've done a very good of resetting. Although we probably need to do more.
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
Mom jokes should still be cool though.
How about a steadfast rule about not posting unsavory jokes about wives/husbands/kids going forward and call it a day
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I can clean this board up real quickly:
Anyone with over 50 posts in the politics subforum should just be permabanned. I'm sure there are a few decent posters in there, but I don't think we can take any chances.
Anyone with over 50 posts in the politics subforum should just be permabanned. I'm sure there are a few decent posters in there, but I don't think we can take any chances.
rockaction
Footballguy
Henry Ford and Ramsay Hunt Experience? fatguyinalittlecoat. Ivan Karamazov? fc, I've grown to appreciate you, but that's a bad suggestion.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
For the record, if I ever get a timeout the extra 1 hour would bother my OCD more than all the days. Like my own personal daylight savings time hell.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
I don't get what the problem is. FFA never been better. All the crazies are in that political forum arguing with themselves about which bigoted white person they want to win the Alabama primaries and I don't have to see it. If you go in there and argue with them, that's on you, not them. I can't even imagine having a conversation on the anthem issue with of those people; what is the point?
That place is like Devil's Island. Why would anybody go there willingly?
That place is like Devil's Island. Why would anybody go there willingly?
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is an excellent post, top notch and loaded with truth.
The original Kaepernick thread and subsequent one were basically 100 and then 50 pages of posters debating the merits of his play versus a select few complaining about his blackballing. Some good posters who were mainly discussing sports such as Dan Lambskin, McGarnicle, DD, & a few others versus those who had crept out from the political forums talking about the blackballing. I found it entertaining and somewhat enjoyable, especially since regardless of what side of the argument you were on, you still got to laugh at one specific poster.
Then, Trump got involved last week & the thread explodes and is moved off to the subforum. Monday/yesterday I found myself in there for the first time since the Trump comments and discussing things I've never cared about discussing in great length, like forum moderation. Midday yesterday, I stepped away from my computer for a few meetings and was greeted by a few mentions from Groovus, Coeur de Lion, and some others that are always discussing politics when I returned... Nothing at all against those posters as they all come off as pretty smart, but I took a step back and thought 'what the #### am I doing and why am I involving myself in this hell?'
To your point, it has been removed from the FFA and was 1000000000% on me for going in and engaging, just so dumb!
bostonfred
Footballguy
People go there to bicker. That's what they do. They might say they're not but they look forward to the argument. Watch what happens when somebody makes a salacious point. We need to make room on mount Rushmore. Call it mount trumpmore. Then watch what happens when nobody quotes it. They go ape #### and start quoting themselves just to make sure somebody sees it and will argue with them about it.
I think kaepernick should go to an nfl game and stand for the national anthem, then publicly apologize for starting the controversy. I think he should thank the country for giving attention to the important problems we face and should thank the police departments that have done positive things since the blm movement started. And he should thank the people who kneeled or stood along side people who kneeled, because they helped bring attention to the problem.
Anyone want to argue with that?
Part of me wants someone to quote it and say that's a great idea. But I know what will probably happen is that people on both sides of the aisle will just say I'm stupid and that's a terrible idea for different reasons, then wait for somebody to argue with them or tell them how smart they are.
It's human nature. We all like attention.
I think kaepernick should go to an nfl game and stand for the national anthem, then publicly apologize for starting the controversy. I think he should thank the country for giving attention to the important problems we face and should thank the police departments that have done positive things since the blm movement started. And he should thank the people who kneeled or stood along side people who kneeled, because they helped bring attention to the problem.
Anyone want to argue with that?
Part of me wants someone to quote it and say that's a great idea. But I know what will probably happen is that people on both sides of the aisle will just say I'm stupid and that's a terrible idea for different reasons, then wait for somebody to argue with them or tell them how smart they are.
It's human nature. We all like attention.
rockaction
Footballguy
I just went through this today and was desperate to get back to music, even though I'm an offender. I don't think people solely go there to bicker. I think, believe it or not, some of us got to know each other through participating in those threads and respect each others' intelligence and insight. I've had my mind changed here several times and enjoy reading intelligent people on the "other" side of the aisle, though it may not always seem it. So I'm not sure. The Trump stuff got really weird and that's a little more contentious, but that's died down a lot besides the aliases. But that's my two cents.
Hope things are good on your end, by the way.
rockaction
Footballguy
That is a good idea, by the way.
Chemical X
Footballguy
people arguing democrat vs republican has now become like an argument between red sox and yankee fans. you are dedicated to your team, regardless of who wears the jersey and you root against the other team. unfortunately, in one of these instances you are rooting against your country.
HellToupee
Footballguy
politics , probably since Bill Clinton, has become the same as rooting for uniforms.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Is this what started this latest round?
How about use the PSF Moderation thread for Political Sub-Forum disputes?
- Let's let the FFA have their space, I bet they don't have any serious issues without politics anymore. Totally serious about that.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Statorama
Footballguy
It'd be interesting to see if it worked here, but I doubt it. It's like hearing the points about getting rid of the electoral college. Whatever positives are completely overshadowed by the massive potential negatives.
Mob rule might work well there, but here you'd get a down vote on a legitimately good post just because they "just don't like you"
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, but this is not the thread and no longer the forum for it. You are welcome to join the discussion in PSF if you wish.
irish eyes
Footballguy
It's quite hilarious what gets people banned on these forums. You can't use characters to replace letters to spell a word, but you can certainly use terms for male organs freely. As is evident in the shark pool topic about settling ties in fantasy football games. Maybe its just them not agreeing with your viewpoint on something, because there is no other explanation for how its done.
I get 90 days for discussing a political topic in an intelligent manner. I get 7 days for suggesting a poster needs to be slapped. Posters make backhanded comments suggesting I am a pedophile and bigot, and nothing.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I just got two days for this-so tame that I honestly would not have been able to figure out why I got the TO if I had made more than one post in the thread.
At least we can say the problem is consistency, rather than favoring a particular ideology or perspective.
I kind of agree it is not just ideology, but there is a significant personal bias against posters. I am pretty much open season for attacks and the mods only react after I respond, then it is lightening quick.
Yes. We talked a good bit about not doing the generalization shots at the other side. When it's stressed repeatedly and you still want to go with "Just calling someone a Republican is insult enough these days" that isn't what we want to have.
And I realize full well that's way more tame than other places. No argument there.
The mods like likely dont see it until you report it. That's why we ask that people report.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Your site, your rules. It seemed like an innocent joke to me- especially since I did it in the context of agreeing that another poster had crossed the line- but I'll do what I can to steer away from of the line in the future.
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Let's be real. Most of what you report is people lashing back at you for something legit you did.
You could save everyone a lot of time if you'd be more cool. Thanks.
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I lash back at people who initiates attacks against me. It would be nice if moderators approached things without so much preconceived bias.
I do not initiate making debates personal.
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They don't attack without a reason. Be cooler yourself and it'll be better for everyone. Please drop it here.
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This whole thread started after Joe received some pushback from a 2 month ban handed down to me for making this post after the 4th incident of police officers being ambushed during the height of the BLM protests:
Now these recent incidents. I said nothing to Drummer before he started joking about me being a pedophile. I did not engage the poster in the now deleted Bennett thread before he started calling me 'a racist who hates black people' simply for taking the position that the Las Vegas police were not out of line. Despite this being a point of emphasis by Joe against such personal attacks, the response from moderators was, 'oh we are too busy'. It seems that there is a long standing grudge that is being held over my head for the last decade plus and the assumption is that I am somehow at fault and not being 'cool'.
Why not reset like you said you wanted to do and evaluate each instance in a fair and objective manner instead of holding grudges and reading into or assuming things which just aren't there?
I was banned and never had the opportunity to respond. That was not an attempt to score political points or to place blame on the president. It was a plea for the president to take a stand against such shootings without any caveat. Prior to this police ambush, Obama would rightly give a strong condemnation to the killers, but would go on and say things ("But right now, the data shows that black folks are more vulnerable to these kinds of incidents. There is a particular burden that is being placed on a group of our fellow citizens.") which could be viewed by twisted radicals as rationalizing such attacks against police. An hour after my banning, Obama gave a speech which strongly condemned the attacks, and just ended with period. And the Baton Rouge attack ended up being the last such attack. I don't think I was being 'uncool' to anyone and certainly was far far far more tame and moderate than what talking heads were saying.
Now these recent incidents. I said nothing to Drummer before he started joking about me being a pedophile. I did not engage the poster in the now deleted Bennett thread before he started calling me 'a racist who hates black people' simply for taking the position that the Las Vegas police were not out of line. Despite this being a point of emphasis by Joe against such personal attacks, the response from moderators was, 'oh we are too busy'. It seems that there is a long standing grudge that is being held over my head for the last decade plus and the assumption is that I am somehow at fault and not being 'cool'.
Why not reset like you said you wanted to do and evaluate each instance in a fair and objective manner instead of holding grudges and reading into or assuming things which just aren't there?
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