Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Christo]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I must admit in having a perverse liking of the Christo/DParker thing.

 

[dparker713]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

I said nothing of the sort.

 

[TexanFan02]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

 

[Christo]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

I said nothing of the sort.

I'm still waiting for that case--because the one you posted does not say that the attorney can just put his client on the stand to lie.

....

I think you're full of #### that a California attorney doesn't have to go through a similar process.

5. The Narrative Approach

Under the narrative approach, the attorney calls the defendant to the witness stand but does not engage in the usual question and answer exchange. Instead, the attorney permits the defendant to testify in a free narrative manner. In closing arguments, the attorney does not rely on any of the defendant's false testimony.

In the early 1970's, the American Bar Association adopted the narrative approach in its Project on Standards for Criminal Justice, Standards Relating to the Defense Function. Standard 7.7 provided:

"Testimony by the defendant.

...

"© If withdrawal from the case is not feasible or is not permitted by the court, or if the situation arises during the trial and the defendant insists upon testifying falsely in his own behalf, the lawyer may not lend his aid to the perjury. Before the defendant takes the stand in these circumstances, the lawyer should make a record of the fact that the defendant is taking the stand against the advice of counsel in some appropriate manner without revealing the fact to the court.

8. The Narrative Approach Represents the Best Accommodation of theCompeting Interests

We conclude the narrative approach best accommodates the competing interests of the defendant's constitutional right to testify and the attorney's ethical obligations.

I can keep busting you up all day chump.

You only bolded one sentence. Did you mean to bold more or add something?

 

[dparker713]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

I said nothing of the sort.

I'm still waiting for that case--because the one you posted does not say that the attorney can just put his client on the stand to lie.

....

I think you're full of #### that a California attorney doesn't have to go through a similar process.

5. The Narrative Approach

Under the narrative approach, the attorney calls the defendant to the witness stand but does not engage in the usual question and answer exchange. Instead, the attorney permits the defendant to testify in a free narrative manner. In closing arguments, the attorney does not rely on any of the defendant's false testimony.

In the early 1970's, the American Bar Association adopted the narrative approach in its Project on Standards for Criminal Justice, Standards Relating to the Defense Function. Standard 7.7 provided:

"Testimony by the defendant.

...

"© If withdrawal from the case is not feasible or is not permitted by the court, or if the situation arises during the trial and the defendant insists upon testifying falsely in his own behalf, the lawyer may not lend his aid to the perjury. Before the defendant takes the stand in these circumstances, the lawyer should make a record of the fact that the defendant is taking the stand against the advice of counsel in some appropriate manner without revealing the fact to the court.

8. The Narrative Approach Represents the Best Accommodation of theCompeting Interests

We conclude the narrative approach best accommodates the competing interests of the defendant's constitutional right to testify and the attorney's ethical obligations.

I can keep busting you up all day chump.

You only bolded one sentence. Did you mean to bold more or add something?

Bold is for emphasis. HTH.

 

[Christo]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

I said nothing of the sort.

I'm still waiting for that case--because the one you posted does not say that the attorney can just put his client on the stand to lie.

....

I think you're full of #### that a California attorney doesn't have to go through a similar process.

5. The Narrative Approach

Under the narrative approach, the attorney calls the defendant to the witness stand but does not engage in the usual question and answer exchange. Instead, the attorney permits the defendant to testify in a free narrative manner. In closing arguments, the attorney does not rely on any of the defendant's false testimony.

In the early 1970's, the American Bar Association adopted the narrative approach in its Project on Standards for Criminal Justice, Standards Relating to the Defense Function. Standard 7.7 provided:

"Testimony by the defendant.

...

"© If withdrawal from the case is not feasible or is not permitted by the court, or if the situation arises during the trial and the defendant insists upon testifying falsely in his own behalf, the lawyer may not lend his aid to the perjury. Before the defendant takes the stand in these circumstances, the lawyer should make a record of the fact that the defendant is taking the stand against the advice of counsel in some appropriate manner without revealing the fact to the court.

8. The Narrative Approach Represents the Best Accommodation of theCompeting Interests

We conclude the narrative approach best accommodates the competing interests of the defendant's constitutional right to testify and the attorney's ethical obligations.

I can keep busting you up all day chump.

You only bolded one sentence. Did you mean to bold more or add something?

Bold is for emphasis. HTH.

That really doesn't help because there are no more "steps" in the rest of what you quoted.

 

[dparker713]

Let's take this from a different direction. Say your client tells you before lunch to put him on the stand when court's back in session. You ask him why and he tells you that he's going to testify that he was nowhere near the scene at the time the crime occurred. But he's already admitted to you that he did commit the crime. Following your CYA procedure, you run back to the office and dictate a memo to the file that says you cannot believe he's going to take the stand and lie but gosh darn it there nothing you can do about it. At 2:00 p.m. you're back in court and you call your client to the stand. Not wanting to violate your duty, you ask him to tell the jury his story but before he gets a word out the prosecutor objects to your client providing a narrative. What do you do?

You missed a few steps.

I thought you said as long as you "make a record" everything's good to go.

I said nothing of the sort.

I'm still waiting for that case--because the one you posted does not say that the attorney can just put his client on the stand to lie.

....

I think you're full of #### that a California attorney doesn't have to go through a similar process.

5. The Narrative Approach

Under the narrative approach, the attorney calls the defendant to the witness stand but does not engage in the usual question and answer exchange. Instead, the attorney permits the defendant to testify in a free narrative manner. In closing arguments, the attorney does not rely on any of the defendant's false testimony.

In the early 1970's, the American Bar Association adopted the narrative approach in its Project on Standards for Criminal Justice, Standards Relating to the Defense Function. Standard 7.7 provided:

"Testimony by the defendant.

...

"© If withdrawal from the case is not feasible or is not permitted by the court, or if the situation arises during the trial and the defendant insists upon testifying falsely in his own behalf, the lawyer may not lend his aid to the perjury. Before the defendant takes the stand in these circumstances, the lawyer should make a record of the fact that the defendant is taking the stand against the advice of counsel in some appropriate manner without revealing the fact to the court.

8. The Narrative Approach Represents the Best Accommodation of theCompeting Interests

We conclude the narrative approach best accommodates the competing interests of the defendant's constitutional right to testify and the attorney's ethical obligations.

I can keep busting you up all day chump.

You only bolded one sentence. Did you mean to bold more or add something?

Bold is for emphasis. HTH.

That really doesn't help because there are no more "steps" in the rest of what you quoted.

How is that relevant?

 

[Christo]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

 

[dparker713]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

 

[jon_mx]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

 

[Christo]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

Link?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

 

[identikit]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

 

[Christo]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

 

[TexanFan02]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

 

[dparker713]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

Link?

You don't need it.

 

[dparker713]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

 

[jon_mx]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again, I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

 

[Christo]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

Link?

You don't need it.

Yes, I do. C'mon teach me, Mr. Expert At Getting His Lying Client On The Stand.

 

[dparker713]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

Link?

You don't need it.

Yes, I do. C'mon teach me, Mr. Expert At Getting His Lying Client On The Stand.

You have all the sources you need.

 

[TexanFan02]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again,I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

He's got a taste for blood. That doesn't mean I hate him. I want to see justice take its course, just like most people in this thread. The thing that separates me and you is that you think he should have been allowed to kill a teenage boy and walk away with no trial.

 

[Christo]

How is that relevant?

I'm just following your lead:

You missed a few steps.

Apparently, you think there are more steps.

Yes I do.

Link?

You don't need it.

Yes, I do. C'mon teach me, Mr. Expert At Getting His Lying Client On The Stand.

You have all the sources you need.

 

[dparker713]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

 

[Christo]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Sure, because if he made a record it was off the record.

 

[TexanFan02]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Sure, because if he made a record it was off the record.

1287 I'm waiting for Christo and Dparker to start billing each other for their time.

 

[identikit]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Sure, because if he made a record it was off the record.

1287 I'm waiting for Christo and Dparker to start billing each other for their time.

Now that is funny.

 

[dparker713]

At this point you two are being stubborn anal and are arguing about a minor point of semantics.

Fixed for clarity.

Hi, have you met me or Christo?

No, but I am familiar with Christo's work. He is anal about words. Either of you could be correct depending on how you interpret 'force' or 'allow'. There is no argument that would compel either of you to admit error, so I would recommend stopping now. Everyone has a decent understanding of the issue at this point. No point for further discussion.

Christo can stop this at any time.

And so could you..Please tell me how your discussion relates to this thread topic.. Because as far as I know, Zimmerman's lawyer did not do what you're saying.

You wouldn't know either way.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman lied in court and we don't know because his lawyer used the process you described behind closed doors?

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Sure, because if he made a record it was off the record.

1287 I'm waiting for Christo and Dparker to start billing each other for their time.

Nah, CLE prices are in the floor.

 

[Christo]

Nah, CLE prices are in the floor.

And when I take CLE I actually learn something.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Can you make it relevant to this thread or move it along?

 

[TexanFan02]

Nah, CLE prices are in the floor.

And when I take CLE I actually learn something.

Really? You actually pay attention and learn things? Honestly curious.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again,I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

He's got a taste for blood. That doesn't mean I hate him. I want to see justice take its course, just like most people in this thread. The thing that separates me and you is that you think he should have been allowed to kill a teenage boy and walk away with no trial.

Jon. your statements are so off target at times it baffles me. I have NEVER said zimmerman was racist , i do think hes guilty and i hope they can prove it in a court of law and hes punished.I dont think he set out to kill anyone that night but i do think his actions caused the situation that lead treys death. I could post an article about treyvon being a sweet kid who saved his uncle from a fire and he wanted to become a pilot and that he was loved by many people. To what avail.Like everyone says , whats it have to do with the events of the shooting?

 

[timschochet]

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Can you make it relevant to this thread or move it along?

You wouldn't recognize "relevant to this thread" if it hit you on the ###.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Can you make it relevant to this thread or move it along?

You wouldn't recognize "relevant to this thread" if it hit you on the ###.

Just another arrant, misguided insult aimed at someone who disagrees with you.. But I've come to expect this from you...

 

[timschochet]

Merely claiming you lack any evidence.

Can you make it relevant to this thread or move it along?

You wouldn't recognize "relevant to this thread" if it hit you on the ###.

Just another arrant, misguided insult aimed at someone who disagrees with you.. But I've come to expect this from you...

I'm just having fun. But why mess with DParker vs. Christo? It's an entertaining debate. What else is going on this thread thats so vital right now anyhow? Also, don't use the.... it will make Boneyard Dog extremely unhappy if you steal his shtick...

 

[jon_mx]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again,I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

He's got a taste for blood. That doesn't mean I hate him. I want to see justice take its course, just like most people in this thread. The thing that separates me and you is that you think he should have been allowed to kill a teenage boy and walk away with no trial.

Jon. your statements are so off target at times it baffles me. I have NEVER said zimmerman was racist , i do think hes guilty and i hope they can prove it in a court of law and hes punished.I dont think he set out to kill anyone that night but i do think his actions caused the situation that lead treys death. I could post an article about treyvon being a sweet kid who saved his uncle from a fire and he wanted to become a pilot and that he was loved by many people. To what avail.Like everyone says , whats it have to do with the events of the shooting?

So you must think the 2nd degree murder charge is absurd then?

 

[TexanFan02]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again,I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

He's got a taste for blood. That doesn't mean I hate him. I want to see justice take its course, just like most people in this thread. The thing that separates me and you is that you think he should have been allowed to kill a teenage boy and walk away with no trial.

Jon. your statements are so off target at times it baffles me. I have NEVER said zimmerman was racist , i do think hes guilty and i hope they can prove it in a court of law and hes punished.I dont think he set out to kill anyone that night but i do think his actions caused the situation that lead treys death. I could post an article about treyvon being a sweet kid who saved his uncle from a fire and he wanted to become a pilot and that he was loved by many people. To what avail.Like everyone says , whats it have to do with the events of the shooting?

So you must think the 2nd degree murder charge is absurd then?

Depends on the evidence the prosecution has.

 

[jon_mx]

Depends on the evidence the prosecution has.

The question was not addressed to you. You have already convicted Zimmerman and have made so many ridiculous assertions about Zimmerman, your opinion means nothing. But the idea that you are even remotely interested in the evidence is beyond funny. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[bigbottom]

I must admit in having a perverse liking of the Christo/DParker thing.

It's fascinating.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I must admit in having a perverse liking of the Christo/DParker thing.

It's fascinating.

Same guy, no?

 

[timschochet]

I must admit in having a perverse liking of the Christo/DParker thing.

It's fascinating.

Same guy, no?

That would be...AWESOME.

 

[timschochet]

Regardless of what side you are on regarding this matter, you probably won't be able to help feeling some disgust reading this article:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trayvon-inc-fla-teens-case-193150365.html

MIAMI (AP) -- From the T-shirt and hoodie sales to trademarking slogans like "Justice for Trayvon" to the pass-the-hat rallies that bring in thousands, the case of an unarmed black teenager killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer is quickly turning into an Internet-fueled brand.

Websites are hawking key chains bearing Trayvon Martin's likeness. His parents have bought two trademarks, saying they hope to raise money to help other families struck by tragedy. Trayvon clothes, bumper stickers, buttons and posters are up for grabs on eBay.

Vendors selling Martin T-shirts and hoodies have become fixtures at rallies in Sanford, the central Florida town where Martin was shot last month. At one Sanford rally this week, a man had a variety of T-shirts laid out on the ground as marchers went by, yelling out, "I've got every size!"

The Martin shooting by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who says he shot the 17-year-old Miami teen in self-defense, has inflamed racial tensions across the country, brought out thousands for rallies, prompted a civil rights probe and a personal reference to the case by President Barack Obama.

A phenomenon on that scale is bound to be commercialized, said Donna Hoffman, a marketing professor at the University of California-Riverside.

"People can start to wear their feelings and emotions. It makes sense, even if there's a profit motive," Hoffman said. "There's a legitimate interest in sharing the pain, and these products do that."

Van Johnson, who designs T-shirts and other apparel in Charlotte, N.C., said he initially wanted to come up with something for his 12-year-old son to show solidarity with Martin's supporters. He produced a color drawing based on a photograph of Martin wearing a hoodie, which the teenager was wearing on the night he was killed.

"I really don't expect to make more than $200 at the most," Johnson said. "I'm happy some people bought my products, that way a few people will have a very nice design on their shirt or hoodie to show their support."

Karriem Muhammad, who runs Young Nation Apparel in St. Louis, is selling a separate hoodie for $35 with the words "Please Don't Shoot Me I Only Have Skittles And A Drink!!!" Martin was returning from a convenience store with the candy and iced tea when he was confronted by Zimmerman.

"We really just kind of put the shirt out there this week. It's not necessarily profit at all," Muhammad said. "I wanted to bring some awareness to the issue. I felt it would be a good way to expose the store, to get our name out there."

Zimmerman, 28, who has a white father and Hispanic mother, has not been charged. Martin's parents have demanded he be arrested. The U.S. Justice Department has launched a probe to look for possible civil rights violations; a special state prosecutor is also investigating. Jackelyn Bernard, spokeswoman for special prosecutor Angela Corey, said Wednesday the investigation could take weeks and said it's unclear if a grand jury will be empaneled.

Hoffman said it's difficult to gauge how the Trayvon sales might stack up against those from similar cases, such as the 1992 Los Angeles riots following the Rodney King beating, because those were before the explosion of Internet marketing.

"Anyone can do it with any image," she said.

Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, headed off potential profit-seekers by filing trademark applications last week for the words "Justice For Trayvon" and "I Am Trayvon." The applications say the slogans may be used in digital media formats including CDs and DVDs. A family attorney said Wednesday the purpose is mainly to prevent others from exploiting Martin's image.

"It wasn't to make money off Trayvon's name, it was to stop the exploitation of Trayvon's name," said the attorney, Natalie Jackson. "We wanted this family to own their child's legacy."

A sign company called FamilyGraphix decided this week to pull its Martin-related decals after learning of Fulton's move. One such decal, which was to sell for $8, said "Don't Shoot Me, All I Have Is A Bag of Skittles."

Johnson, the T-shirt designer, questioned Fulton's move.

"You would think the parents of Trayvon Martin would encourage the spreading of their son's name and image," he said. "As a parent of four, I personally would welcome any and all exposure. I would want my son's name everywhere."

At rallies and church services, thousands of dollars in pledges have been made to help Fulton and Tracy Martin, Martin's father, pay expenses including travel to events in Washington and New York, Jackson said. At one early rally, the Rev. Al Sharpton asked people to make out checks to Fulton and put them in buckets that were passed around.

"Let's show the world we're going to finance our own movement," said Sharpton, who pledged $2,500 himself.

The case has had other benefits for involved organizations. More than 30,000 people signed an NAACP petition to Florida prosecutors in just a 24-hour period. Eric Wingerter, spokesman for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored people, says the organization hasn't used the case as a fundraising tool but has seen an uptick in memberships.

At some point, Hoffman said, the Trayvon Martin brand could wear thin if it's overused. "People might feel, 'I'm sick of hearing about this.' That feeling could be accelerated if everywhere you turn, there are people wearing their hearts on their sleeve," Hoffman said. "All this merchandise out there will start to have a taint in the mind of the public."

 

[TexanFan02]

Depends on the evidence the prosecution has.

The question was not addressed to you. You have already convicted Zimmerman and have made so many ridiculous assertions about Zimmerman, your opinion means nothing. But the idea that you are even remotely interested in the evidence is beyond funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Thanks for confirming that you're too dumb to tie your shoelaces in the other thread. I'll make sure and at all your posts from now on. You deserve it. I hope a black person never moves into the small town you live in, it will destroy your world view. And you probably won't know what to do with them.

 

[jon_mx]

Depends on the evidence the prosecution has.

The question was not addressed to you. You have already convicted Zimmerman and have made so many ridiculous assertions about Zimmerman, your opinion means nothing. But the idea that you are even remotely interested in the evidence is beyond funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Thanks for confirming that you're too dumb to tie your shoelaces in the other thread. I'll make sure and at all your posts from now on. You deserve it. I hope a black person never moves into the small town you live in, it will destroy your world view. And you probably won't know what to do with them.

The only thing that makes me dumb is to respond to your ignorance. I have had posters hate me and stalk me, but never put anyone on ignore. Your posts are just too damn stupid to read or respond to anymore. Congrats, you are the one and only person on my ignore list.

 

[Widbil83]

I haven't been here for the last 10,000 posts but from what I gather-

Zimmerman calls Martin a coon= debunked

Zimmerman had no damage to his head= debunked

Zimmerman stalked Martin= debunked

The more I read the more I support Zimmerman.

 

[jon_mx]

I haven't been here for the last 10,000 posts but from what I gather-Zimmerman calls Martin a coon= debunkedZimmerman had no damage to his head= debunkedZimmerman stalked Martin= debunkedThe more I read the more I support Zimmerman.

don't forget:Zimmerman is a white racist = Debunked (Hispanic, Caucasian, and black)Zimmerman profiled Martin as a black man = Debunked (Zimmerman did not know, and only guessed black after asked)Zimmerman disobeyed an order = Debunked (No order, no authority, and not even clear he 'disobeyed')Zimmerman was much bigger - Debunked (Martin was much taller)Martin was a flawless little boy = Debunked ...............

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Regardless of what side you are on regarding this matter, you probably won't be able to help feeling some disgust reading this article:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trayvon-inc-fla-teens-case-193150365.html

MIAMI (AP) -- From the T-shirt and hoodie sales to trademarking slogans like "Justice for Trayvon" to the pass-the-hat rallies that bring in thousands, the case of an unarmed black teenager killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer is quickly turning into an Internet-fueled brand.

Websites are hawking key chains bearing Trayvon Martin's likeness. His parents have bought two trademarks, saying they hope to raise money to help other families struck by tragedy. Trayvon clothes, bumper stickers, buttons and posters are up for grabs on eBay.

Vendors selling Martin T-shirts and hoodies have become fixtures at rallies in Sanford, the central Florida town where Martin was shot last month. At one Sanford rally this week, a man had a variety of T-shirts laid out on the ground as marchers went by, yelling out, "I've got every size!"

The Martin shooting by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who says he shot the 17-year-old Miami teen in self-defense, has inflamed racial tensions across the country, brought out thousands for rallies, prompted a civil rights probe and a personal reference to the case by President Barack Obama.

A phenomenon on that scale is bound to be commercialized, said Donna Hoffman, a marketing professor at the University of California-Riverside.

"People can start to wear their feelings and emotions. It makes sense, even if there's a profit motive," Hoffman said. "There's a legitimate interest in sharing the pain, and these products do that."

Van Johnson, who designs T-shirts and other apparel in Charlotte, N.C., said he initially wanted to come up with something for his 12-year-old son to show solidarity with Martin's supporters. He produced a color drawing based on a photograph of Martin wearing a hoodie, which the teenager was wearing on the night he was killed.

"I really don't expect to make more than $200 at the most," Johnson said. "I'm happy some people bought my products, that way a few people will have a very nice design on their shirt or hoodie to show their support."

Karriem Muhammad, who runs Young Nation Apparel in St. Louis, is selling a separate hoodie for $35 with the words "Please Don't Shoot Me I Only Have Skittles And A Drink!!!" Martin was returning from a convenience store with the candy and iced tea when he was confronted by Zimmerman.

"We really just kind of put the shirt out there this week. It's not necessarily profit at all," Muhammad said. "I wanted to bring some awareness to the issue. I felt it would be a good way to expose the store, to get our name out there."

Zimmerman, 28, who has a white father and Hispanic mother, has not been charged. Martin's parents have demanded he be arrested. The U.S. Justice Department has launched a probe to look for possible civil rights violations; a special state prosecutor is also investigating. Jackelyn Bernard, spokeswoman for special prosecutor Angela Corey, said Wednesday the investigation could take weeks and said it's unclear if a grand jury will be empaneled.

Hoffman said it's difficult to gauge how the Trayvon sales might stack up against those from similar cases, such as the 1992 Los Angeles riots following the Rodney King beating, because those were before the explosion of Internet marketing.

"Anyone can do it with any image," she said.

Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, headed off potential profit-seekers by filing trademark applications last week for the words "Justice For Trayvon" and "I Am Trayvon." The applications say the slogans may be used in digital media formats including CDs and DVDs. A family attorney said Wednesday the purpose is mainly to prevent others from exploiting Martin's image.

"It wasn't to make money off Trayvon's name, it was to stop the exploitation of Trayvon's name," said the attorney, Natalie Jackson. "We wanted this family to own their child's legacy."

A sign company called FamilyGraphix decided this week to pull its Martin-related decals after learning of Fulton's move. One such decal, which was to sell for $8, said "Don't Shoot Me, All I Have Is A Bag of Skittles."

Johnson, the T-shirt designer, questioned Fulton's move.

"You would think the parents of Trayvon Martin would encourage the spreading of their son's name and image," he said. "As a parent of four, I personally would welcome any and all exposure. I would want my son's name everywhere."

At rallies and church services, thousands of dollars in pledges have been made to help Fulton and Tracy Martin, Martin's father, pay expenses including travel to events in Washington and New York, Jackson said. At one early rally, the Rev. Al Sharpton asked people to make out checks to Fulton and put them in buckets that were passed around.

"Let's show the world we're going to finance our own movement," said Sharpton, who pledged $2,500 himself.

The case has had other benefits for involved organizations. More than 30,000 people signed an NAACP petition to Florida prosecutors in just a 24-hour period. Eric Wingerter, spokesman for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored people, says the organization hasn't used the case as a fundraising tool but has seen an uptick in memberships.

At some point, Hoffman said, the Trayvon Martin brand could wear thin if it's overused. "People might feel, 'I'm sick of hearing about this.' That feeling could be accelerated if everywhere you turn, there are people wearing their hearts on their sleeve," Hoffman said. "All this merchandise out there will start to have a taint in the mind of the public."

Some people wear their hearts on their sleeve.... others wear their ### - holes on their sleeve

 

[BustedKnuckles]

He is not the racist blood-thirsty villain you make him out to be. Seems like a likable guy, who was responding to a community need, but might have taken it a little too seriously. I really don't get all the hatred, people voicing opinions that they want him dead. This is not the portrait of a murderer. It is a portrait of a guy who put himself in a bad situation and the results were tragic.

Link?

Link 1Link 2

Link 3

@ the last link there.

Cute. I've never said I hated Zimmerman, or hoped he would die. But carry on.

You said if Zimmerman was released he would murder someone. If you truly believed he is a vicious murderer who can not help but murder again,I would hope you hate him and want him dead.

He's got a taste for blood. That doesn't mean I hate him. I want to see justice take its course, just like most people in this thread. The thing that separates me and you is that you think he should have been allowed to kill a teenage boy and walk away with no trial.

Jon. your statements are so off target at times it baffles me. I have NEVER said zimmerman was racist , i do think hes guilty and i hope they can prove it in a court of law and hes punished.I dont think he set out to kill anyone that night but i do think his actions caused the situation that lead treys death. I could post an article about treyvon being a sweet kid who saved his uncle from a fire and he wanted to become a pilot and that he was loved by many people. To what avail.Like everyone says , whats it have to do with the events of the shooting?

So you must think the 2nd degree murder charge is absurd then?

all things considered i thought manslaughter would have done the trick

 

[Scarpaggio]

I'm not sure if this incident was brought up in this thread or not but I posted it in the mob beating thread. The girl who was shot just passed away last night and was shot in a stand your ground type of incident. Now we will wait and see if charges are brought up on the men/man who shot her.. My link