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More histrionics from Zimmerman?

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman’s account of events hasn’t changed in his several statements to police - in which he said he was so unnerved by the teenager’s behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Martin. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.
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'Neofight said:
More histrionics from Zimmerman?

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman’s account of events hasn’t changed in his several statements to police - in which he said he was so unnerved by the teenager’s behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Martin. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.
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If the prosecution proves that Zimmy lied about anything then he is done done done. Toast you might say.
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-says-martin-circled-car-20120504,0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.

 
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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In a physical struggle, I don't think that is improbable at all.

Some interesting information here, though.

 
'identikit said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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In a physical struggle, I don't think that is improbable at all.

Some interesting information here, though.
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What's improbable is that the screaming is not muffled during the tape. If the hand was put there during the struggle, at some point on the tape we should hear the voice being muffled. The fact that we don't makes it improbable, not that this happened, but that it's Zimmerman's voice that we're hearing. (Improbable is not impossible, though).
 
'timschochet said:
'identikit said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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In a physical struggle, I don't think that is improbable at all.

Some interesting information here, though.
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What's improbable is that the screaming is not muffled during the tape. If the hand was put there during the struggle, at some point on the tape we should hear the voice being muffled. The fact that we don't makes it improbable, not that this happened, but that it's Zimmerman's voice that we're hearing. (Improbable is not impossible, though).
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Speculation is always fun, so I'll take my turn. How about a scenario of Zimmerman was yelling, then Martin covered his mouth. If Zimmerman wasn't yelling, of course there is no reason to cover his mouth. I would also imagine that it is difficult to effectively cover someone's mouth, during a struggle, unless you are so physically dominant that you can hold them and still have a hand free. I do not know that this "evidence", by itself, would mean much to me.
 
'pittstownkiller said:
'timschochet said:
'identikit said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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In a physical struggle, I don't think that is improbable at all.

Some interesting information here, though.
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What's improbable is that the screaming is not muffled during the tape. If the hand was put there during the struggle, at some point on the tape we should hear the voice being muffled. The fact that we don't makes it improbable, not that this happened, but that it's Zimmerman's voice that we're hearing. (Improbable is not impossible, though).
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Speculation is always fun, so I'll take my turn. How about a scenario of Zimmerman was yelling, then Martin covered his mouth. If Zimmerman wasn't yelling, of course there is no reason to cover his mouth. I would also imagine that it is difficult to effectively cover someone's mouth, during a struggle, unless you are so physically dominant that you can hold them and still have a hand free. I do not know that this "evidence", by itself, would mean much to me.
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I agree with this, pretty much. The why wasn't muffled screams on the recording angle doesn't amount to much. Perhaps Z didn't attempt to scream when his mouth was covered. He was in a physical struggle.
 
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.
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Excuse the pun, but why does everything have to be so black and white? Is Z's words taken literal? Did he say that Martin "circled the car" or that he went around the car? Meaning he is physically walking around the car, or is he saying around the car in the general area? It could be spun as either depending on the media source reporting it. Curious to see how it is written in the actual reports. As far as Zimmerman needing to tell the dispatcher that he is rolling up his windows. Again why did he need to in order to prove he was scared? Is that necessary for Z's story to be credible? I wouldn't expect Zimmerman to say, "I'm rolling up my windows."

During the call, Zimmerman says that Martin was walking toward him with his hand in his waistband. A few seconds later he also says that Martin is, "coming to check me out" with something in his hands. From what I hear (speculation of course) during the call, Zimmerman is frightened because he asks at that point if the dispatcher can get an officer over there. Then he says these ######## always get away. Martin runs, so Zimmermna may feel the threat is over because they usually split to another neighborhood in that direction (from previous phone calls). He gets out his car to see if he can still spot which direction Martin was headed in to tell the officer when he gets there.

If these are the inconsistencies in the story, I just don't think there is enough to discredit Zimmerman through what is heard from a phone call compared to the reports Zimmerman gave later to police.

 
'ATC1 said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.
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Excuse the pun, but why does everything have to be so black and white? Is Z's words taken literal? Did he say that Martin "circled the car" or that he went around the car? Meaning he is physically walking around the car, or is he saying around the car in the general area? It could be spun as either depending on the media source reporting it. Curious to see how it is written in the actual reports. As far as Zimmerman needing to tell the dispatcher that he is rolling up his windows. Again why did he need to in order to prove he was scared? Is that necessary for Z's story to be credible? I wouldn't expect Zimmerman to say, "I'm rolling up my windows."

During the call, Zimmerman says that Martin was walking toward him with his hand in his waistband. A few seconds later he also says that Martin is, "coming to check me out" with something in his hands. From what I hear (speculation of course) during the call, Zimmerman is frightened because he asks at that point if the dispatcher can get an officer over there. Then he says these ######## always get away. Martin runs, so Zimmermna may feel the threat is over because they usually split to another neighborhood in that direction (from previous phone calls). He gets out his car to see if he can still spot which direction Martin was headed in to tell the officer when he gets there.

If these are the inconsistencies in the story, I just don't think there is enough to discredit Zimmerman through what is heard from a phone call compared to the reports Zimmerman gave later to police.
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So a criminal with his hand in his waistband approaches Z and scares him enough to roll up the window and asks for an officer to be dispatched but then decides he should chase after him?
 
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.
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Excuse the pun, but why does everything have to be so black and white? Is Z's words taken literal? Did he say that Martin "circled the car" or that he went around the car? Meaning he is physically walking around the car, or is he saying around the car in the general area? It could be spun as either depending on the media source reporting it. Curious to see how it is written in the actual reports. As far as Zimmerman needing to tell the dispatcher that he is rolling up his windows. Again why did he need to in order to prove he was scared? Is that necessary for Z's story to be credible? I wouldn't expect Zimmerman to say, "I'm rolling up my windows."

During the call, Zimmerman says that Martin was walking toward him with his hand in his waistband. A few seconds later he also says that Martin is, "coming to check me out" with something in his hands. From what I hear (speculation of course) during the call, Zimmerman is frightened because he asks at that point if the dispatcher can get an officer over there. Then he says these ######## always get away. Martin runs, so Zimmermna may feel the threat is over because they usually split to another neighborhood in that direction (from previous phone calls). He gets out his car to see if he can still spot which direction Martin was headed in to tell the officer when he gets there.

If these are the inconsistencies in the story, I just don't think there is enough to discredit Zimmerman through what is heard from a phone call compared to the reports Zimmerman gave later to police.
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So a criminal with his hand in his waistband approaches Z and scares him enough to roll up the window and asks for an officer to be dispatched but then decides he should chase after him?
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Nope. I don't think he chases after Martin. I speculate he no longer saw Martin as a threat because he ran out of the neighborhood. Z attempted to get the direction Martin was going to inform the police because he knew they were coming. So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?

 
'ATC1 said:
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.
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Excuse the pun, but why does everything have to be so black and white? Is Z's words taken literal? Did he say that Martin "circled the car" or that he went around the car? Meaning he is physically walking around the car, or is he saying around the car in the general area? It could be spun as either depending on the media source reporting it. Curious to see how it is written in the actual reports. As far as Zimmerman needing to tell the dispatcher that he is rolling up his windows. Again why did he need to in order to prove he was scared? Is that necessary for Z's story to be credible? I wouldn't expect Zimmerman to say, "I'm rolling up my windows."

During the call, Zimmerman says that Martin was walking toward him with his hand in his waistband. A few seconds later he also says that Martin is, "coming to check me out" with something in his hands. From what I hear (speculation of course) during the call, Zimmerman is frightened because he asks at that point if the dispatcher can get an officer over there. Then he says these ######## always get away. Martin runs, so Zimmermna may feel the threat is over because they usually split to another neighborhood in that direction (from previous phone calls). He gets out his car to see if he can still spot which direction Martin was headed in to tell the officer when he gets there.

If these are the inconsistencies in the story, I just don't think there is enough to discredit Zimmerman through what is heard from a phone call compared to the reports Zimmerman gave later to police.
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So a criminal with his hand in his waistband approaches Z and scares him enough to roll up the window and asks for an officer to be dispatched but then decides he should chase after him?
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Nope. I don't think he chases after Martin. I speculate he no longer saw Martin as a threat because he ran out of the neighborhood. Z attempted to get the direction Martin was going to inform the police because he knew they were coming. So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?
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Yeah, Zimmerman's story doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
 
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?
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Yeah, Zimmerman's story doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
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If I'm unsure of something, like maybe some dude in black SUV stalking me in the rain, I might go back and have a look, and upon confirming it and with my girlfriend telling me to run, I might just run. Didn't the same thing happen in Forest Gump?
 
'Chaos Commish said:
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?
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Yeah, Zimmerman's story doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
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If I'm unsure of something, like maybe some dude in black SUV stalking me in the rain, I might go back and have a look, and upon confirming it and with my girlfriend telling me to run, I might just run. Didn't the same thing happen in Forest Gump?
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Then, according to Zimmerman, I jump him and simultaneously strangle and beat him up.

 
'Chaos Commish said:
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?
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Yeah, Zimmerman's story doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
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If I'm unsure of something, like maybe some dude in black SUV stalking me in the rain, I might go back and have a look, and upon confirming it and with my girlfriend telling me to run, I might just run. Didn't the same thing happen in Forest Gump?
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You would?
 
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-says-martin-circled-car-20120504,0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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Did you look at the article linked three posts above yours? Both items were detailed there.
 
'Neofight said:
'timschochet said:
http://www.latimes.c...0,6456654.story

Two new items reported here that we haven't discussed yet:

1. Supposedly Zimmerman told police that Martin circled his vehicle several times, and that it made Zimmerman nervous and roll up his windows. (I know, this was reported a few days ago but there's been no response to it.) If Zimmerman told the police this, should we believe him? On the one hand, if Martin was circling around it would account for the length of time Martin took that night to get home, something Chaos Commish and others have long pointed out. It would also suggest that Martin was not the innocent young man walking home his defenders have portrayed. On the other hand, what possible motivation would Martin have for "stalking" Zimmerman? And if Zimmerman was nervous, why would he get out of his car? This info seems to raise more questions than it answers.

2. One reason the police thought Zimmerman was lying: Zimmerman told them that (a) Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and (b) the screams you hear on the tape on Zimmerman's. But the cries are not muffled:

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled."It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Well, this is not necessarily true, it seems to me, because the hand could have been placed over Zimmerman's mouth either before or after the screams heard on the tape. However, this does seem improbable to me.

My conclusion to both of these points: Zimmerman's credibility is really questionable at this point. I think he's in serious trouble, because he will be contradicted on the stand, probably with his own words to the police.
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Did you look at the article linked three posts above yours? Both items were detailed there.
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But that wasn't posted by Tim.
 
How long was Martin on the phone with his girlfriend for? Has this been released yet?

I personally find it a stretch to think he would be menacing Zimmerman with bad intent WHILE staying on the phone with his girlfriend. Certainly possible but largely improbable.

 
'Smack Tripper said:
How long was Martin on the phone with his girlfriend for? Has this been released yet?

I personally find it a stretch to think he would be menacing Zimmerman with bad intent WHILE staying on the phone with his girlfriend. Certainly possible but largely improbable.
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3-4 minutes. Her log doesn't include seconds, but if her story as we currently have it from secondary sources is true, she was on the phone from sometime after 7:12 and before 7:13 up until the confrontation. Oddly, it's reports coming from the pro Martin camp, including her's, that suggest/corroborate Trayvon confronting not just approaching Zimmerman in his vehicle before the fatal confrontation between buildings.
 
'ATC1 said:
'Chaos Commish said:
'SacramentoBob said:
'ATC1 said:
So an innocent teenage boy is just minding his own business with a tea and skittles in his pocket. He out of the blue he decides to turn around and walk towards a suspicious vehicle then take off running like he did something wrong?
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Yeah, Zimmerman's story doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
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If I'm unsure of something, like maybe some dude in black SUV stalking me in the rain, I might go back and have a look, and upon confirming it and with my girlfriend telling me to run, I might just run. Didn't the same thing happen in Forest Gump?
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You would?
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I might. Hell, I might even ask the person if I could help. :shrug:
 
'Chaos Commish said:
'Smack Tripper said:
How long was Martin on the phone with his girlfriend for? Has this been released yet?

I personally find it a stretch to think he would be menacing Zimmerman with bad intent WHILE staying on the phone with his girlfriend. Certainly possible but largely improbable.
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3-4 minutes. Her log doesn't include seconds, but if her story as we currently have it from secondary sources is true, she was on the phone from sometime after 7:12 and before 7:13 up until the confrontation. Oddly, it's reports coming from the pro Martin camp, including her's, that suggest/corroborate Trayvon confronting not just approaching Zimmerman in his vehicle before the fatal confrontation between buildings.
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Link?
 
'TexanFan02 said:
'Chaos Commish said:
'Smack Tripper said:
How long was Martin on the phone with his girlfriend for? Has this been released yet?

I personally find it a stretch to think he would be menacing Zimmerman with bad intent WHILE staying on the phone with his girlfriend. Certainly possible but largely improbable.
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3-4 minutes. Her log doesn't include seconds, but if her story as we currently have it from secondary sources is true, she was on the phone from sometime after 7:12 and before 7:13 up until the confrontation. Oddly, it's reports coming from the pro Martin camp, including her's, that suggest/corroborate Trayvon confronting not just approaching Zimmerman in his vehicle before the fatal confrontation between buildings.
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Link?
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I'm really to lazy to dig for it atm, but maybe later. It's out there. I'd google "trayvon crump girlfriend phone wide open" to try to find it.Even the link up a few posts today seems to be sourcing those in the Martin camp.

My guess is there's some misunderstandings that are going to backfire on the prosecution, or the prosecution will never touch them to begin with. I think the circling is bogus, never happened, and Zimmerman never said it did (at least in the manner it is being reported). I think the Sentinel source is wrong and this vein of thought goes all the way back to Serino telling Tracy Martin what happened at a very emotional time right after the shooting. We'll see. We should have our hands on Zimmerman's official statements soon enough.

 
'Chaos Commish said:
'TexanFan02 said:
'Chaos Commish said:
'Smack Tripper said:
How long was Martin on the phone with his girlfriend for? Has this been released yet?

I personally find it a stretch to think he would be menacing Zimmerman with bad intent WHILE staying on the phone with his girlfriend. Certainly possible but largely improbable.
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3-4 minutes. Her log doesn't include seconds, but if her story as we currently have it from secondary sources is true, she was on the phone from sometime after 7:12 and before 7:13 up until the confrontation. Oddly, it's reports coming from the pro Martin camp, including her's, that suggest/corroborate Trayvon confronting not just approaching Zimmerman in his vehicle before the fatal confrontation between buildings.
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Link?
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I'm really to lazy to dig for it atm, but maybe later. It's out there. I'd google "trayvon crump girlfriend phone wide open" to try to find it.Even the link up a few posts today seems to be sourcing those in the Martin camp.

My guess is there's some misunderstandings that are going to backfire on the prosecution, or the prosecution will never touch them to begin with. I think the circling is bogus, never happened, and Zimmerman never said it did (at least in the manner it is being reported). I think the Sentinel source is wrong and this vein of thought goes all the way back to Serino telling Tracy Martin what happened at a very emotional time right after the shooting. We'll see. We should have our hands on Zimmerman's official statements soon enough.
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During the entire call, Martin said he was trying to get away, then he said Zimmerman approached him. I don't know how you reconcile that with Martin confronting Zimmerman.

 
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'TexanFan02 said:
'SacramentoBob said:
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Has Zimmerman's anti-Mexican comments been posted already? Not really keeping up with the thread.
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He sure sounded like a thug on his MySpace posts. I'm sure the usual suspects tried to spin it though.
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Most of them seem to have given up.
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I can't imagine how many people from Stormfront are regretting their donation to Zimmerman's defense fund since those MySpace posts were released.
 
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