Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Zimm gunned down a minor

May have been self defense..And "gunning" something "down", implies that it was first up.. Seems they were both already on the ground.

and lied to the judge.

And? That means he's guilty of murder?

Means... as I originally stated - that you you said lol in reply to... "There is no way in hell that any of the alleged transgression of Trayvon (as a minor no less) are as nearly as nefarious as the known transgressions of George." Which is undeniable.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You don't know that Trayvon didn't approach Zimmerman rather than go straight home.And if a concerned adult asks my son what hes doing walking through the neighborhood at night, my son better be respectful and let him know. If my son punched him instead, because "I wasn't doin nothing wrong, he had no right to hassle me" there would be hell to pay when I found out.."Trayvon hadn't done anything wrong" doesn't excuse him to attack someone..You don't know that Zimmerman didn't make everything perfectly clear, you weren't there were you?

What if your son was afraid because some dude he didn't know was watching him while talking on a cell phone, then tried to follow him home and so he felt like he had to defend himself?

My son is the starting Varsity RB/MLB, if he told me he couldn't outrun the guy, he'd then be in trouble for lieing to me as well..

That's not really answering the question, but I guess you can respond how you want.I'm sure you can imagine a situation where you son felt cornered. Given the fact that you seem to trust your son, I doubt you would assume he was in the wrong if he told you he felt scared/intimidated and needed to fight to defend himself.I don't know what happened any more than anyone else does, but it does seem entirely plausible to me that Martin sees a suspicious man talking on the phone while staring him down. Martin has no idea who this guy is talking to or who he is or why he would be interested in him. Then he sees the guy following him and maybe he freaks out a bit. He's 17 years old and in a part of town he's not used to.The part of this situation that bothers me more than anything else is that Zimmerman had a gun with him. To me, that puts an extra responsibility on Zimmerman to act above board. Zimmerman has a freedom in that he knows he can hassle others a little bit because if the situation gets out of hand he can simply pop off a couple shots and claim self defense. Maybe Martin did start the fight, I don't know. But Zimmerman walked into the situation with a gun, knowing full well how to use it. The guy with the gun should be above reproach in his actions and I don't think, no matter how you cut it, we can say that about Zimmerman. He definitely made some mistakes in the way he handled this situation. Whether those mistakes equal a crime remains to be seen, I suppose.

 

[slayer666]

Carolina Hustler loves him some George Zimmerman.

 

[Gachi]

I still can't get over a heavy-set guy walking around with a loaded?

Is he that much of a wimp?

Or did he get the gun when he saw Trayvon?

 

[Neofight]

It's just interesting to me that you casually dismiss anything and everything from medical studies to anecdotes of what others have actually experienced, and put forth as an argument that something hasn't happened to you personally (or your son doesn't do that...) so it must not be likely. Strange. Based on your previous boasts of running with the wrong crowd and getting in brawls I would've guessed if you had a son he may be a handful. Like father like son may not always be the case, so kudos to you for raising him well.

Actually Busted started with the anecdotes, I just match him as a counter argument.. He said that most of the teenagers he knows act this way.. I find that very hard to believe, but an anecdote non the less..Thank you for the kudos.. He is a good kid..

As for what is typical, who knows. Where and when are you talking about? I grew up in the Southwest in the 80's. Back then it was not uncommon at all for people to bring weed to school. I had friends who would go to school dosing. I hung out with a dude who was the age of a college sophomore (though still trying to graduate) and dealt drugs for my girlfriend's dad. He was transferred from another High School to mine when he was caught with an automatic weapon in his locker. Two years after I graduated the place put up steel fences and brought in metal detectors.

So would you say this kids represent the majority of teenagers? I think not..Would you say they were on the right path? Surly you wouldn't..Would you say their actions should have been cause for concern? Telling us the kid was caught with automatic weapons isn't helping your argument..

Is this typical? Probably not. But tagging, or in my case just writing all over ####, is pretty much a right of passage. Weed? I'd guess over 50% of High School age indulge, or at least give it a try. For someone who's obviously had some interesting life experience I'd have thought youd have found that stuff pretty tame. Its not like he had a record.

I do understand that these things happen. I was in this crowd, and I know where it leads. I made it through, but many of my friends didn't.. I got a girl pregnant at a very young age and it changed my life.. Plenty of my old friends went on to do time..We were all on the wrong path.. See, the experiences I have don't help your argument, because I know what goes through the minds of kids on this path.. Punching an adult for little to no reason wasn't beyond the pail for many of the folks I hung out with.I apologize in advance here, but a couple more anecdotes for you.. An old friend of mine was being followed around the halls at school by one of the school administrators just before lunch. The shop teacher would monitor the halls. My friend had a hall pass but had been know to skip class. The teacher tried to stop him and he continued walking. When he got to the stairs, the teacher attempted to detain him by grabbing his pant leg as he was several stairs higher than the teacher. He turned around and punched the teacher in the nose. The teacher proceeded to drag him back down the stairs by his legs..All he had to do is show the teacher his hall pass.. Have no clue where this guy is now.. We stopped hanging out just shortly after that as he stopped coming to school and lived to far away for me to trek. I heard he might work for Wallace Newman which is one of those companies that will come pick up your old junk for a fee, and that he's one of the resident pot dealers in the area we used to hang in..On another occasion, a friend of mine lifted a candy man cassette tape from a store called Gold Circle (I think that was the name, store was bought out by Target, similar store).. When we got outside, the loss prevention fella confronted my buddy. My buddy pop-ed him and we took off running.. This guy ended up bad into drugs, heavy stuff.. Needles, and glass pipes.. Been in and out of jails and rehabs up to about 2 years ago when he gave his life to god and got his first legit fill time job in a warehouse loading and unloading trucks.. I'd check in on him often after I heard he was on the straight and narrow and in recovery.. Unfortunately the previous years had taken a toll.. I last saw him at his funeral about 6 months ago, he died of a heart attack, alone, in his apartment. First place of his own ever.. He had only been there for about 2 months.I tell these stories because this discussion of old digs reminds me of old situations.. I have a million more.. Shootings, losing friends to stabbings, and gun shots.. Some provoked it, some didn't.. One of the greatest guys I knew, was cool with everyone, had his head blown off with a shot gun by an unknown, for no reason at all other than just being on the wrong side of town.. The other guy in the car said the assailant walked up out of nowhere, fired, and took off running.. No robbery.. nothing.. Another friend was calling to one pay phone at the gas station, from the pay phone at the grocery across the parking lot, pranking people.. Called a black guy the n word, and got his throat slit 30mins later..I'm lucky to have moved on when I did.. But drugs, school suspensions, skipping school, parties, alcohol, fighting.. That's the path we were on.. It's not a good path.. and certainly harbors bad attitude and trouble..

Yeah, you were lucky alright. To think you could've survived a High School experience like that (which sounds way rougher than Martin's) and be killed by an overzealous buff on your way home one night.

Well, it all has to do with the mentality of the child. If I was respectful to the adult, and explained myself, I would have soon been home and in bed.. If instead I attacked him.. At the very least I was going to be arrested if not killed..

So a child has to explain himself to a stranger who pursues him just to make it home now? Or is this just in SYG states?

If my son is approached by a concerned neighbor, my son better be respectful.. If he's afraid, he better run home instead.. Attacking an adult is not an option..

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.Potayto, patahto.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

But getting shot may have been an inevitable conclusion for Trayvon if he was on the bad path that it appears he was on..

I'm curious why you make this conclusion.

Using illegal drugs and having drugs at school, Getting suspended from school on numerous occasions in one school year, caught with what appears to be stolen property, involved in organized fighting, defacing school property.. Doesn't seem to be the right path to me. How about you?

I actually got caught for most of those things, and didn't caught for the organized fighting.

You were suspended 4 times in one year? Caught with drugs at school, defacing school property? Stolen property? Would you say you were on the right path?

So he deserved to get shot?

Since C.H wants to keep talking about Treyvons suspensions lets get the FACTS STRAIGHT.First he was suspended 3 times not 4 .

Trayvon Martin, the teenager whose shooting death has sparked a national uproar, was suspended from school last month for having a baggie that contained marijuana residue in his book bag."There was no substance found. There was a baggie that school officials believe may have formerly contained marijuana. There was no arrest or citation from the police,"

The Miami Herald reported that Martin was suspended two other times from school. The first time was for missing school or being late.

In October, Martin was suspended with friends for writing W.T.F. on a hallway locker, according to a school report obtained by the Herald. A security guard looking through his backpack for the graffiti marker and instead found womens rings and earrings and a screwdriver, described by the staffer as a burglary tool.Martin admitted it wasnt his and said a friend, who he refused to identify, had given it to him, The Miami Herald reports

Martins parents, told the Herald they had never heard about the bag of jewelry.They never heard this and dont believe its true. If it were true, why wouldnt they call the parents? Why wasnt he arrested?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler loves him some George Zimmerman.

Didn't you look silly enough when you were here last time?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimm gunned down a minor

May have been self defense..And "gunning" something "down", implies that it was first up.. Seems they were both already on the ground.

and lied to the judge.

And? That means he's guilty of murder?

Means... as I originally stated - that you you said lol in reply to... "There is no way in hell that any of the alleged transgression of Trayvon (as a minor no less) are as nearly as nefarious as the known transgressions of George." Which is undeniable.

They should call you the riddler.. Boy you're clever.. Or retaded..

 

[pittstownkiller]

It's just interesting to me that you casually dismiss anything and everything from medical studies to anecdotes of what others have actually experienced, and put forth as an argument that something hasn't happened to you personally (or your son doesn't do that...) so it must not be likely. Strange. Based on your previous boasts of running with the wrong crowd and getting in brawls I would've guessed if you had a son he may be a handful. Like father like son may not always be the case, so kudos to you for raising him well.

Actually Busted started with the anecdotes, I just match him as a counter argument.. He said that most of the teenagers he knows act this way.. I find that very hard to believe, but an anecdote non the less..Thank you for the kudos.. He is a good kid..

As for what is typical, who knows. Where and when are you talking about? I grew up in the Southwest in the 80's. Back then it was not uncommon at all for people to bring weed to school. I had friends who would go to school dosing. I hung out with a dude who was the age of a college sophomore (though still trying to graduate) and dealt drugs for my girlfriend's dad. He was transferred from another High School to mine when he was caught with an automatic weapon in his locker. Two years after I graduated the place put up steel fences and brought in metal detectors.

So would you say this kids represent the majority of teenagers? I think not..Would you say they were on the right path? Surly you wouldn't..

Would you say their actions should have been cause for concern?

Telling us the kid was caught with automatic weapons isn't helping your argument..

Is this typical? Probably not. But tagging, or in my case just writing all over ####, is pretty much a right of passage. Weed? I'd guess over 50% of High School age indulge, or at least give it a try. For someone who's obviously had some interesting life experience I'd have thought youd have found that stuff pretty tame.

Its not like he had a record.

I do understand that these things happen. I was in this crowd, and I know where it leads. I made it through, but many of my friends didn't.. I got a girl pregnant at a very young age and it changed my life.. Plenty of my old friends went on to do time..We were all on the wrong path.. See, the experiences I have don't help your argument, because I know what goes through the minds of kids on this path.. Punching an adult for little to no reason wasn't beyond the pail for many of the folks I hung out with.

I apologize in advance here, but a couple more anecdotes for you..

An old friend of mine was being followed around the halls at school by one of the school administrators just before lunch. The shop teacher would monitor the halls. My friend had a hall pass but had been know to skip class. The teacher tried to stop him and he continued walking. When he got to the stairs, the teacher attempted to detain him by grabbing his pant leg as he was several stairs higher than the teacher. He turned around and punched the teacher in the nose. The teacher proceeded to drag him back down the stairs by his legs..

All he had to do is show the teacher his hall pass..

And all Z had to do was identify himself,,,

And you don't know that he didn't.. Trayvon could have also explained his self.. Did he?You don't know what happened..

But yet you know all about Trayvon and his future prospects. Got it!

I never said I know.. I said he could have been on a bad path.. How is that saying I know.. These incidents surely reflect poorly on his character..You're the one who thinks he knows what happened.. All along I'm just showing you "Zimmerman is guilty of cold blooded murder" folks an alternate scenario where you could be wrong about that.. I never said he was not guilty.. But it is possible, sorry for the buzz kill.. I promise this won't be your last chance to lynch someone if so..

Youre pretty adamant about your position. Nothing in your presentation suggests devils advocate. I've never presented my version as inviolable truth, just that Z precipitated it by being an armed overachiever who escalated a situation that neither should've been in, but only one voluntarily entered into. But hey, we get your shtick. Your guy with far more violence in his past is back in jail for lying to the court. Guess you have little left to grasp at.

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You don't know that Trayvon didn't approach Zimmerman rather than go straight home.And if a concerned adult asks my son what hes doing walking through the neighborhood at night, my son better be respectful and let him know. If my son punched him instead, because "I wasn't doin nothing wrong, he had no right to hassle me" there would be hell to pay when I found out.."Trayvon hadn't done anything wrong" doesn't excuse him to attack someone..You don't know that Zimmerman didn't make everything perfectly clear, you weren't there were you?

What if your son was afraid because some dude he didn't know was watching him while talking on a cell phone, then tried to follow him home and so he felt like he had to defend himself?

My son is the starting Varsity RB/MLB, if he told me he couldn't outrun the guy, he'd then be in trouble for lieing to me as well..

That's not really answering the question, but I guess you can respond how you want.I'm sure you can imagine a situation where your son might feel cornered. Given the fact that you seem to trust your son, I doubt you would assume he was in the wrong if he told you he felt scared/intimidated and needed to fight to defend himself.I don't know what happened any more than anyone else does, but it does seem entirely plausible to me that Martin sees a suspicious man talking on the phone while staring him down. Martin has no idea who this guy is talking to or who he is or why he would be interested in him. Then he sees the guy following him and maybe he freaks out a bit. He's 17 years old and in a part of town he's not used to.The part of this situation that bothers me more than anything else is that Zimmerman had a gun with him. To me, that puts an extra responsibility on Zimmerman to act above board. Zimmerman has a freedom in that he knows he can hassle others a little bit because if the situation gets out of hand he can simply pop off a couple shots and claim self defense. Maybe Martin did start the fight, I don't know. But Zimmerman walked into the situation with a gun, knowing full well how to use it. The guy with the gun should be above reproach in his actions and I don't think, no matter how you cut it, we can say that about Zimmerman. He definitely made some mistakes in the way he handled this situation. Whether those mistakes equal a crime remains to be seen, I suppose.

I can agree with most of that.. The situation could be all Zimmerman's fault, then again, Martin could have been a punk and attacked him because he felt like he was being hassled.. I've seen people get punched just for looking at someone..But in regard to my son, I know him enough to know he wouldn't strike first..I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's just interesting to me that you casually dismiss anything and everything from medical studies to anecdotes of what others have actually experienced, and put forth as an argument that something hasn't happened to you personally (or your son doesn't do that...) so it must not be likely. Strange. Based on your previous boasts of running with the wrong crowd and getting in brawls I would've guessed if you had a son he may be a handful. Like father like son may not always be the case, so kudos to you for raising him well.

Actually Busted started with the anecdotes, I just match him as a counter argument.. He said that most of the teenagers he knows act this way.. I find that very hard to believe, but an anecdote non the less..Thank you for the kudos.. He is a good kid..

As for what is typical, who knows. Where and when are you talking about? I grew up in the Southwest in the 80's. Back then it was not uncommon at all for people to bring weed to school. I had friends who would go to school dosing. I hung out with a dude who was the age of a college sophomore (though still trying to graduate) and dealt drugs for my girlfriend's dad. He was transferred from another High School to mine when he was caught with an automatic weapon in his locker. Two years after I graduated the place put up steel fences and brought in metal detectors.

So would you say this kids represent the majority of teenagers? I think not..Would you say they were on the right path? Surly you wouldn't..

Would you say their actions should have been cause for concern?

Telling us the kid was caught with automatic weapons isn't helping your argument..

Is this typical? Probably not. But tagging, or in my case just writing all over ####, is pretty much a right of passage. Weed? I'd guess over 50% of High School age indulge, or at least give it a try. For someone who's obviously had some interesting life experience I'd have thought youd have found that stuff pretty tame.

Its not like he had a record.

I do understand that these things happen. I was in this crowd, and I know where it leads. I made it through, but many of my friends didn't.. I got a girl pregnant at a very young age and it changed my life.. Plenty of my old friends went on to do time..We were all on the wrong path.. See, the experiences I have don't help your argument, because I know what goes through the minds of kids on this path.. Punching an adult for little to no reason wasn't beyond the pail for many of the folks I hung out with.

I apologize in advance here, but a couple more anecdotes for you..

An old friend of mine was being followed around the halls at school by one of the school administrators just before lunch. The shop teacher would monitor the halls. My friend had a hall pass but had been know to skip class. The teacher tried to stop him and he continued walking. When he got to the stairs, the teacher attempted to detain him by grabbing his pant leg as he was several stairs higher than the teacher. He turned around and punched the teacher in the nose. The teacher proceeded to drag him back down the stairs by his legs..

All he had to do is show the teacher his hall pass..

And all Z had to do was identify himself,,,

And you don't know that he didn't.. Trayvon could have also explained his self.. Did he?You don't know what happened..

But yet you know all about Trayvon and his future prospects. Got it!

I never said I know.. I said he could have been on a bad path.. How is that saying I know.. These incidents surely reflect poorly on his character..You're the one who thinks he knows what happened.. All along I'm just showing you "Zimmerman is guilty of cold blooded murder" folks an alternate scenario where you could be wrong about that.. I never said he was not guilty.. But it is possible, sorry for the buzz kill.. I promise this won't be your last chance to lynch someone if so..

Youre pretty adamant about your position. Nothing in your presentation suggests devils advocate. I've never presented my version as inviolable truth, just that Z precipitated it by being an armed overachiever who escalated a situation that neither should've been in, but only one voluntarily entered into. But hey, we get your shtick. Your guy with far more violence in his past is back in jail for lying to the court. Guess you have little left to grasp at.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Zimm gunned down a minor

May have been self defense..And "gunning" something "down", implies that it was first up.. Seems they were both already on the ground.

and lied to the judge.

And? That means he's guilty of murder?

Means... as I originally stated - that you you said lol in reply to... "There is no way in hell that any of the alleged transgression of Trayvon (as a minor no less) are as nearly as nefarious as the known transgressions of George." Which is undeniable.

They should call you the riddler.. Boy you're clever.. Or retaded..

No riddles.Zimmerman is more nefarious person then Trayvon.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimm gunned down a minor

May have been self defense..And "gunning" something "down", implies that it was first up.. Seems they were both already on the ground.

and lied to the judge.

And? That means he's guilty of murder?

Means... as I originally stated - that you you said lol in reply to... "There is no way in hell that any of the alleged transgression of Trayvon (as a minor no less) are as nearly as nefarious as the known transgressions of George." Which is undeniable.

They should call you the riddler.. Boy you're clever.. Or retaded..

No riddles.Zimmerman is more nefarious person then Trayvon.

lolopps :( ... sorry I did it again

 

[slayer666]

I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

You're a ####### idiot.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

You're a ####### idiot.

Good one..

 

[pittstownkiller]

I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

You're a ####### idiot.

The depth and breadth of your arguments here are stupefying.

 

[TexanFan02]

It's just interesting to me that you casually dismiss anything and everything from medical studies to anecdotes of what others have actually experienced, and put forth as an argument that something hasn't happened to you personally (or your son doesn't do that...) so it must not be likely. Strange. Based on your previous boasts of running with the wrong crowd and getting in brawls I would've guessed if you had a son he may be a handful. Like father like son may not always be the case, so kudos to you for raising him well.

Actually Busted started with the anecdotes, I just match him as a counter argument.. He said that most of the teenagers he knows act this way.. I find that very hard to believe, but an anecdote non the less..Thank you for the kudos.. He is a good kid..

As for what is typical, who knows. Where and when are you talking about? I grew up in the Southwest in the 80's. Back then it was not uncommon at all for people to bring weed to school. I had friends who would go to school dosing. I hung out with a dude who was the age of a college sophomore (though still trying to graduate) and dealt drugs for my girlfriend's dad. He was transferred from another High School to mine when he was caught with an automatic weapon in his locker. Two years after I graduated the place put up steel fences and brought in metal detectors.

So would you say this kids represent the majority of teenagers? I think not..Would you say they were on the right path? Surly you wouldn't..

Would you say their actions should have been cause for concern?

Telling us the kid was caught with automatic weapons isn't helping your argument..

Is this typical? Probably not. But tagging, or in my case just writing all over ####, is pretty much a right of passage. Weed? I'd guess over 50% of High School age indulge, or at least give it a try. For someone who's obviously had some interesting life experience I'd have thought youd have found that stuff pretty tame.

Its not like he had a record.

I do understand that these things happen. I was in this crowd, and I know where it leads. I made it through, but many of my friends didn't.. I got a girl pregnant at a very young age and it changed my life.. Plenty of my old friends went on to do time..We were all on the wrong path.. See, the experiences I have don't help your argument, because I know what goes through the minds of kids on this path.. Punching an adult for little to no reason wasn't beyond the pail for many of the folks I hung out with.

I apologize in advance here, but a couple more anecdotes for you..

An old friend of mine was being followed around the halls at school by one of the school administrators just before lunch. The shop teacher would monitor the halls. My friend had a hall pass but had been know to skip class. The teacher tried to stop him and he continued walking. When he got to the stairs, the teacher attempted to detain him by grabbing his pant leg as he was several stairs higher than the teacher. He turned around and punched the teacher in the nose. The teacher proceeded to drag him back down the stairs by his legs..

All he had to do is show the teacher his hall pass..

And all Z had to do was identify himself,,,

And you don't know that he didn't.. Trayvon could have also explained his self.. Did he?You don't know what happened..

But yet you know all about Trayvon and his future prospects. Got it!

I never said I know.. I said he could have been on a bad path.. How is that saying I know.. These incidents surely reflect poorly on his character..You're the one who thinks he knows what happened.. All along I'm just showing you "Zimmerman is guilty of cold blooded murder" folks an alternate scenario where you could be wrong about that.. I never said he was not guilty.. But it is possible, sorry for the buzz kill.. I promise this won't be your last chance to lynch someone if so..

Youre pretty adamant about your position. Nothing in your presentation suggests devils advocate. I've never presented my version as inviolable truth, just that Z precipitated it by being an armed overachiever who escalated a situation that neither should've been in, but only one voluntarily entered into. But hey, we get your shtick. Your guy with far more violence in his past is back in jail for lying to the court. Guess you have little left to grasp at.

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

You're a ####### idiot.

Good one..

Go do us all a favor and eat a cup of bath salts.

ok buddy.. You got me..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

[QUOTE='slayer666]

I already said earlier in the thread I would not be happy if someone approached my son with a gun, but that's not illegal..

You're a ####### idiot. [/QUOTE]Sig-errific~

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

way to be informed..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

way to be informed..

Are you implying that his attorney didnt say that? Or are you just "spin-cycle" full time?You are always so mealy-mouthed in every discussion.

 

[mad sweeney]

Zimm gunned down a minor

May have been self defense..And "gunning" something "down", implies that it was first up.. Seems they were both already on the ground.

and lied to the judge.

And? That means he's guilty of murder?

Dumbest post of the thread and also the funniest. Really! Gunning down is a phrase used for shooting something. It's not literal. As for his bond, of course it doesn't mean hes guilty of murder, but it certainly shows that he's not afraid to lie to the authorities to protect himself. Certainly casts some doubt on his credibility. Of course, he isn't using a fishing pole, so I don't think you'll accept that he's "casting" anything!

 

[timschochet]

Based on his past drug connections and history of violence, there's every reason to believe that Trayvon Martin was a mob enforcer, trained to assassinate people with his bare hands. Because Martin lived in Florida, there is also the high probabiltiy that he was a CIA operative who specialized in hand to hand combat. Finally, we can't disregard the possibility that, because there was a full moon that night, Trayvon Martin was a lycanthrope (werewolf) and undergoing transformation at the time he was killed.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

What did he say that was a lie?

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

 

[mad sweeney]

It's just interesting to me that you casually dismiss anything and everything from medical studies to anecdotes of what others have actually experienced, and put forth as an argument that something hasn't happened to you personally (or your son doesn't do that...) so it must not be likely. Strange. Based on your previous boasts of running with the wrong crowd and getting in brawls I would've guessed if you had a son he may be a handful. Like father like son may not always be the case, so kudos to you for raising him well.

Actually Busted started with the anecdotes, I just match him as a counter argument.. He said that most of the teenagers he knows act this way.. I find that very hard to believe, but an anecdote non the less..Thank you for the kudos.. He is a good kid..

As for what is typical, who knows. Where and when are you talking about? I grew up in the Southwest in the 80's. Back then it was not uncommon at all for people to bring weed to school. I had friends who would go to school dosing. I hung out with a dude who was the age of a college sophomore (though still trying to graduate) and dealt drugs for my girlfriend's dad. He was transferred from another High School to mine when he was caught with an automatic weapon in his locker. Two years after I graduated the place put up steel fences and brought in metal detectors.

So would you say this kids represent the majority of teenagers? I think not..Would you say they were on the right path? Surly you wouldn't..

Would you say their actions should have been cause for concern?

Telling us the kid was caught with automatic weapons isn't helping your argument..

Is this typical? Probably not. But tagging, or in my case just writing all over ####, is pretty much a right of passage. Weed? I'd guess over 50% of High School age indulge, or at least give it a try. For someone who's obviously had some interesting life experience I'd have thought youd have found that stuff pretty tame.

Its not like he had a record.

I do understand that these things happen. I was in this crowd, and I know where it leads. I made it through, but many of my friends didn't.. I got a girl pregnant at a very young age and it changed my life.. Plenty of my old friends went on to do time..We were all on the wrong path.. See, the experiences I have don't help your argument, because I know what goes through the minds of kids on this path.. Punching an adult for little to no reason wasn't beyond the pail for many of the folks I hung out with.

I apologize in advance here, but a couple more anecdotes for you..

An old friend of mine was being followed around the halls at school by one of the school administrators just before lunch. The shop teacher would monitor the halls. My friend had a hall pass but had been know to skip class. The teacher tried to stop him and he continued walking. When he got to the stairs, the teacher attempted to detain him by grabbing his pant leg as he was several stairs higher than the teacher. He turned around and punched the teacher in the nose. The teacher proceeded to drag him back down the stairs by his legs..

All he had to do is show the teacher his hall pass..

And all Z had to do was identify himself,,,

And you don't know that he didn't.. Trayvon could have also explained his self.. Did he?You don't know what happened..

But yet you know all about Trayvon and his future prospects. Got it!

I never said I know.. I said he could have been on a bad path.. How is that saying I know.. These incidents surely reflect poorly on his character..You're the one who thinks he knows what happened.. All along I'm just showing you "Zimmerman is guilty of cold blooded murder" folks an alternate scenario where you could be wrong about that.. I never said he was not guilty.. But it is possible, sorry for the buzz kill.. I promise this won't be your last chance to lynch someone if so..

Youre pretty adamant about your position. Nothing in your presentation suggests devils advocate. I've never presented my version as inviolable truth, just that Z precipitated it by being an armed overachiever who escalated a situation that neither should've been in, but only one voluntarily entered into. But hey, we get your shtick. Your guy with far more violence in his past is back in jail for lying to the court. Guess you have little left to grasp at.

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, but he was complicit in trying to deceive the court. Shows exactly what I said, a willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

Actually that's not true. He was very clearly, by his own words, sick of these "#######s" always getting away which clearly shows that his mind was already made up.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

 

[Witz]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

Actually that's not true. He was very clearly, by his own words, sick of these "#######s" always getting away which clearly shows that his mind was already made up.

Not enough in the world.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

 

[mad sweeney]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Thats laywer talk for ''my client cannot be trusted ''

 

[Witz]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness one of many witnesses in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

I figured this is what you mean to say.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Same thing.Just as his attorney said the same thing, but tried to say it in way that sounded better.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

What does that have to do with the claim he can be charged with perjury?

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Same thing.

No, it's not.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness one of many witnesses in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

I figured this is what you mean to say.

NOPE, he had it right the first time.Gershman, who listened to a majority of the witness recordings, said he doubts jurors will get a sense of who started the fight — a key point that experts believe the case rests upon.

"I don't think we're ever going to have a clear picture of what happened," he said.

Derek B. Brett, an Orlando attorney who represents one of the witnesses, agrees. Like the others, his client saw two shadows struggling, heard some sort of noise, and is unsure of how the confrontation started.

"The only true eye witness who is going to give testimony is George Zimmerman," he said.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Thats laywer talk for ''my client cannot be trusted ''

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Same thing.

No, it's not.

Identical. Synonymous.

Mislead: : to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit

Lie: : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive. to create a false or misleading impression.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Thats laywer talk for ''my client cannot be trusted ''

id rather that face than one of your inane comments.I guess hes locked up until june 29th because hes an honest man.

 

[Witz]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness one of many witnesses in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

I figured this is what you mean to say.

NOPE, he had it right the first time.Gershman, who listened to a majority of the witness recordings, said he doubts jurors will get a sense of who started the fight — a key point that experts believe the case rests upon.

"I don't think we're ever going to have a clear picture of what happened," he said.

Derek B. Brett, an Orlando attorney who represents one of the witnesses, agrees. Like the others, his client saw two shadows struggling, heard some sort of noise, and is unsure of how the confrontation started.

"The only true eye witness who is going to give testimony is George Zimmerman," he said.

Is Zimmerman the closest witness to the incident? Yes. Is that what MS said? No. He said Zimmerman was the ONLY witness in this case which is not even close to being true. Even your quote was made by an attorney representing one of the other witnesses. Don't just argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Same thing.

No, it's not.

Identical. Synonymous.

Mislead: : to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit

Lie: : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive. to create a false or misleading impression.

It's right there, I've bolded it for you. A lie is a statement. Untrue statements are misleading. But one does not have to make a statement in order to allow another to be misled. In fact, the issue here is that by his silence he allowed the court to be misled. You can't be charged with perjury for what you don't say. A statement under oath is required. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Christo]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Thats laywer talk for ''my client cannot be trusted ''

id rather that face than one of your inane comments.I guess hes locked up until june 29th because hes an honest man.

 

[Neofight]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

Zimmerman was an idiot before the killing and remains one, he was angry on the 911 call and wasn't exactly chipper following The killing (unless you believe getting beat up by a kid he outweighed by 40lbs would put a smile on his face), and he did in fact pursue Martin. None of that is speculation. Saying he was getting roughed up enough to legitimately fear for his life would be speculation on your part. But I'll call it BS. He just doesn't seem credible, nor reasonable.

 

[timschochet]

Based on his past drug connections and history of violence, there's every reason to believe that Trayvon Martin was a mob enforcer, trained to assassinate people with his bare hands. Because Martin lived in Florida, there is also the high probabiltiy that he was a CIA operative who specialized in hand to hand combat. Finally, we can't disregard the possibility that, because there was a full moon that night, Trayvon Martin was a lycanthrope (werewolf) and undergoing transformation at the time he was killed.

Bump. Has anyone provided proof that Trayvon Martin was not a werewolf?

 

[timschochet]

I think using the terms "approached", "concerned neighbor" and "adult" is why we're at loggerheads here.

Angry idiot in pursuit with a gun and his mind made up is more in line with the facts, as we know them. Zimmerman has done nothing to show he is an adult in the aftermath.

Potayto, patahto.

During the confrontation, the bolded is the only thing we're certain of, the rest is speculation..

What proof do we have that Zimmerman had a gun? Just because he used a gun, doesn't mean he had a gun. How do we know it wasn't a gun just laying there in the grass that Zimmerman happened to pick up? Maybe it was Martin's gun.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Is he being charged with a perjury count?

Not yet, although he might be along with his wife.

He would have had to lie to the court to be charged with perjury. He didn't lie, his wife did..

Wrong, his own attorney flatly said he did lie to the court.

To be clear, O'mara said his client "allowed his financial situation to be misrepresented in court."

Yeah, but that just doesn't sound as good, does it?

Yeah, but it still shows his willingness to lie to the authorities to protect himself. And since he's the only witness in this case, deceiving the court doesn't help him out much.

I thought we were talking about perjury..