Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

How do you get that from his post?

Read the first 277 pages.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

A serial liar who has a violent history, has been arrested for it before and a cop complex. I think its pretty fair to make an assumption of his character.

Toast

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.

But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

wat?

I think it is pretty clear. Tim thinks there is not enough evidence to convict him, but the first sign of anything which discredits Zimmerman story, Tim has him convicted.

How do you get that from his posttoast?

 

[Christo]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.

But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

No you misunderstand. I am not making a determination about his testimony at this point. But I AM going in with a greater amount of skepticism than I would have had if this whole bond thing hadn't happened. I think that's reasonable, don't you? I will still listen to exactly what he has to say, but I don't trust him to tell the truth at this point, because he's proven himself a liar (at least to me.)

Of course you are. You admit it in the very next sentence.

 

[Christo]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

I am not sure why Hustler and crew are having a hard time understanding this.

I know.. 6 guys in the FFA have it right, and the criminal system has it wrong..Anyone who has never lied, hidden money, or allowed someone to believe something that was not the truth.. Please make your claim here.. You're the only ones who can act in self defense in this country evidently..

When it is all bundled up after you have shot someone then I think its pretty relevant. Since I have never killed anyone I cannot make such a claim.

Exactly.. If you've ever lied, hidden money, or allowed someone to believe an untruth, you can't shoot someone in self defense..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

Your wife is caught hiding money, lies about it = You are a serial liar... Got it

 

[timschochet]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

No you misunderstand. I am not making a determination about his testimony at this point. But I AM going in with a greater amount of skepticism than I would have had if this whole bond thing hadn't happened. I think that's reasonable, don't you? I will still listen to exactly what he has to say, but I don't trust him to tell the truth at this point, because he's proven himself a liar (at least to me.)

Pretty much every person in the government, corporate America, buisness owners, anyone who's gone through a divorce, at least half of the middle and upper class folks in this country, and probably more of the lower class, can't be trusted then.."Hiding money" from the government, authorities, spouse, ex-spouse, friends, family, buisness partners, in some manner or another is pretty much an epidemic in the US, and probably most everywhere else in the world...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

Is that what it is?What are the options here, and what is most likely?- He's seeing the money as his big pay day and wants to keep it all or as much as he can- He's afraid he might have to leave the country so he's hiding assets just in case- He's afraid of how long this case might go on, and how expensive it might be. And wants to keep as much money saved as possible so they can afford to live through it- He doesn't trust lawyers not to bleed him dry so he lied to his lawyer to avoid what happened with the previous lawyer (assuming the previous guy just got greedy)Probably a combination of all of these I'm guessing.. Doesn't know who to trust.. Ultimately he's the only one looking after the long term well being of his family (Insert the "that has worked out well so far" remarks here)

You want to add a cogent point or argument here?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

 

[pantherclub]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

So true

 

[pantherclub]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

There is that extreme, and then there is your extreme where you want to 100% discount him because he is a greedy ******* trying to scam the system out of more money than he ever dreamed of having.

Is that what it is?What are the options here, and what is most likely?- He's seeing the money as his big pay day and wants to keep it all or as much as he can- He's afraid he might have to leave the country so he's hiding assets just in case- He's afraid of how long this case might go on, and how expensive it might be. And wants to keep as much money saved as possible so they can afford to live through it- He doesn't trust lawyers not to bleed him dry so he lied to his lawyer to avoid what happened with the previous lawyer (assuming the previous guy just got greedy)Probably a combination of all of these I'm guessing.. Doesn't know who to trust.. Ultimately he's the only one looking after the long term well being of his family (Insert the "that has worked out well so far" remarks here)

You want to add a cogent point or argument here?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"

None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..

Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

 

[pantherclub]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

Keep going, please keep going

 

[TexanFan02]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

I have to admit, I'm considering. The sheer volume of dumb deters me, though.

 

[Jackstraw]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

You wanna answer the questions?Change the "his wife" portion of the first question to "they" if that helps you answer it better..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

Keep going, please keep going

Of course you can't answer the questionBTW, when attempting to highjack Christo's schtick, maybe try sticking to the format... He 's at statements, and answers questions..

 

[pantherclub]

You are trying to justify their lying.

 

[TexanFan02]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Yes.

 

[TexanFan02]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

Keep going, please keep going

Here's Carolina Hustler in the Sandusky thread: "Who among us hasn't played around with young boys in the shower?"

 

[BigSteelThrill]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"

None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..

Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

Keep going, please keep going

Here's Carolina Hustler in the Sandusky thread: "Who among us hasn't played around with young boys in the shower?"

He is even worse, err better, in the sharkpool.

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

 

[kentric]

Records show Shellie Zimmerman in the days before the hearing transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband's credit union account to hers, according to an arrest affidavit. It also shows that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's in the days before the bond hearing.

Four days after he was released on bond, Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $85,500 from her account into her husband's account, the affidavit said. The affidavit also said that jail call records show that George Zimmerman instructed her to "pay off all the bills," including an American Express and Sam's Club card.

A state attorney investigator met with credit union officials and learned that she had control of transfers to and from her husband's account.

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Oops.

It doesn't matter. None of it will be admitted a trial. And according to Carolina Hustler, none of it has any bearing whatsoever on Zimmerman's credibility. As CH points out, everybody lies sometime. So we should all just believe George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense just as CH does- as the Gospel truth. Makes sense to me.

Lied about money = guilty of murder.. Got it..

Silly equation. I agree with Tim that if the prosecution was able to present evidence showing that Z effectively lied (by omission), that it could sway the jury which may feel that Z is willing to lie to benefit himself. Of course lying by omission is not lying under oath, so there's no telling how much of an impact it would have.

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

 

[Mark Davis]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

I would think Zimmerman would have to take the stand to commit perjury.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

I would think Zimmerman would have to take the stand to commit perjury.

Not for complicity and conspiracy.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

My answer was reasonable. Regardless of it being wrong-or-right.

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

I would think Zimmerman would have to take the stand to commit perjury.

Not for complicity and conspiracy.

You keep repeating this. It doesn't make it true. As I already asked, please show us where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

My answer was reasonable. Regardless of it being wrong-or-right.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

My answer was reasonable. Regardless of it being wrong-or-right.

 

[Zow]

Breaking News

Zimmerman's wife is arrested for perjury.

shes a looker

I guess we found where that 80 pounds Zimmerman lost went.

Tub O Butter face.

That would imply her body is attractive. I'm thinking it's not.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

A serial liar who has a violent history, has been arrested for it before and a cop complex. I think its pretty fair to make an assumption of his character.

Talk about down the rabbit hole; cop complex, serial liar, how far of a leap are you going to make in your leap to conclusions?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are trying to justify their lying.

No, I'm asking you why you think they tried to deceive the court.. What was their motive..You know motive can dictate the severity of the crime right?Please answer the question..

 

[Zow]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

My answer was reasonable. Regardless of it being wrong-or-right.

So if I answered "black" to a question of what color the sun is would my answer be reasonable? I mean it's night half the time and the sky is black so I have a 50-50 shot from what I can tell without doing a shred of researching or consulting a scientist.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You are trying to justify their lying.

No, I'm asking you why you think they tried to deceive the court.. What was their motive..You know motive can dictate the severity of the crime right?Please answer the question..

So they can keep all their ill gotten gains.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

Jesus, give it up. He didn't lie under oath so he didn't commit perjury. And he didn't omit anything from his testimony because no one asked him about his finances. As far as your claim that he conspired with her, please show me where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

You asked.

And I expected a reasonable answer. My mistake.

My answer was reasonable. Regardless of it being wrong-or-right.

So if I answered "black" to a question of what color the sun is would my answer be reasonable? I mean it's night half the time and the sky is black so I have a 50-50 shot from what I can tell without doing a shred of researching or consulting a scientist.

They cant be guilty of those?I didnt say cheetos and llamas as a response.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman was just doing his self sworn duty as a crime watchman when he was brutally attacked by the pot smoking thug treyvon martin for no apparent reason causing zimmerman great fear of life and limb.Zimmerman and his lovely wife had to mislead the courts about the money they raised on his website because they have bills to pay.Ive seen the light. I have been on the wrong side all this time, i have no idea what i was thinking

Some of you people totally crack me up. Yes, we get that none of this stuff can be used at trial. Yes, we get that it doesn't prove anything about what happened that night one way or another.But to suggest that for the purposes of this discussion in this thread, the whole bond thing should have NO effect on how we are going to view Zimmerman's testimony is absolutely absurd. We are not on the jury here. WE can use this to form an opinion on George Zimmerman. If you paid attention to this bond story and you still believe that Zimmerman is an honest guy whose story about what happened as regards Martin can and should be taken at face value, then you are crazy.

WTF are you talking about? You've constantly been asking if these things are admissible at trial to challenge his credibility.

I have. The answer given was no, and I accepted it. We've moved beyond that conversation now. Several people here, led by the ubiquitous Carolina Hustler, are now asserting that even beyond the question of admissibility that WE as observers shouldn't use this information as a reason to question Zimmerman's credibility, because "everybody lies".Do you share Hustler's opinion? Do you think that we (not the jury) should take Zimmerman's word for it?

Word for what? If you're talking about his future testimony about the events on that specific night, I'd say you should probably wait to actually hear what he has to say before deciding whether or not he's credible.Making a determination on his credibility before you've heard his testimony seems bassackwards to me. If you decide he's not credible based upon events that aren't even related to the incident, what's the use of listening to his testimony?

So he's a serial liar, but we should wait to see if he lies again?

A serial liar who has a violent history, has been arrested for it before and a cop complex. I think its pretty fair to make an assumption of his character.

Talk about down the rabbit hole; cop complex, serial liar, how far of a leap are you going to make in your leap to conclusions?

It's typical for him.. Either they are having trouble comprehending, or it's trolling.. Depending on the poster.. This topic has gotten no further from the emotionally fueled supposition that was going on in the first page of the thread..

 

[Christo]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

Guilty of what?

Complicity and Conspiracy to Perjury. Concealment.And perjury can come from simple omission... not just by lying under oath.

I would think Zimmerman would have to take the stand to commit perjury.

Not for complicity and conspiracy.

You keep repeating this. It doesn't make it true. As I already asked, please show us where he said anything to her about her lying under oath.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are trying to justify their lying.

No, I'm asking you why you think they tried to deceive the court.. What was their motive..You know motive can dictate the severity of the crime right?Please answer the question..

So they can keep all their ill gotten gains.

I think keeping the money was implied in the question.. Why? What is the motivating factor?

 

[Zow]

They cant be guilty of those?I didnt say cheetos and llamas as a response.

1. Who is they? My understanding is we are talking about Zimmerman and his level of potential guilt for a conspiracy to commit perjury charge. 2. And in my example I didn't say llamas and cheetos as a color for the sun either. I just gave an incorrect answer based on lack of knowledge and faulty logic and suggested it was reasonable. Unless they uncover any evidence Zimmerman discussed and/or solicited his wife to lie on the stand, you gotta let the whole perjury thing go. It's a very difficult crime to prove and the conspiracy allegation makes it even less serious of a charge. Like the prosecutors are doing, you need to focus on the murder charge.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

You guys who have put Carolina Hustler on ignore- you gotta take him off. He's just too hilarious to read, and you're really missing out. The part about Zimmerman lying about his bond because he's determined to protect his family, and he's the only one that can do it...classic!

2 questions,1) why do you think his wife lied about how much money they had?

2) do you think he's concerned about his family making it through this process? And how it will affect them..?

Zimmerman was participating in the code talk at the jail. This pretty much makes him as guilty as she is yes?

You wanna answer the questions?Change the "his wife" portion of the first question to "they" if that helps you answer it better..

you seem to be the expert on people lying , why dont you fill in the blanks yourself?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

They cant be guilty of those?I didnt say cheetos and llamas as a response.

Ms Zimmerman will likely be found guilty of perjury.For Zimmerman to be guilty of perjury he would have had to be questioned about his finances under oath..So you say he conspired to commit perjury. That would mean he asked his wife to lie about it, or they agreed together that she would lie.. There is no evidence of that..

 

[Christo]

They cant be guilty of those?I didnt say cheetos and llamas as a response.

1. Who is they? My understanding is we are talking about Zimmerman and his level of potential guilt for a conspiracy to commit perjury charge. 2. And in my example I didn't say llamas and cheetos as a color for the sun either. I just gave an incorrect answer based on lack of knowledge and faulty logic and suggested it was reasonable. Unless they uncover any evidence Zimmerman discussed and/or solicited his wife to lie on the stand, you gotta let the whole perjury thing go. It's a very difficult crime to prove and the conspiracy allegation makes it even less serious of a charge. Like the prosecutors are doing, you need to focus on the murder charge.

They charged her with perjury. If they had evidence that he conspired with her they would have charged him too.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"O he's just a liar and can't be trusted"None of you making that claim have offered up any opinion beyond that..Why do you think his wife lied about the money? Why would they need to hide money?

Keep going, please keep going

Here's Carolina Hustler in the Sandusky thread: "Who among us hasn't played around with young boys in the shower?"

"Who among us hasn't played around with young boys in the shower and lied about it?''fixed