Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[Jojo the circus boy]

this is a broken record, get new shtick

 

[BustedKnuckles]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

 

[TexanFan02]

this is a broken record, get new shtick

 

[jon_mx]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

 

[BustedKnuckles]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

 

[jon_mx]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

what did i say that isnt true?

 

[Neofight]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

Pipe down Jon. I think it's been well established why nobody can take your ridiculous bet. Your emotionalism on this subject has been equal to any FBG, and greater than most. Borderline hysterical posts like the one I'm quoting are standard for you.

 

[jon_mx]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

what did i say that isnt true?

Zimmerman never suggested that Martin was a gangbanger. Just someone wandering around the neighborhood acting suspicious. You distort the facts by inserting baseless conclusions.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

what did i say that isnt true?

accost

thug



gangbanger



criminal



innocent



angel

 

[jon_mx]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

Pipe down Jon. I think it's been well established why nobody can take your ridiculous bet. Your emotionalism on this subject has been equal to any FBG, and greater than most. Borderline hysterical posts like the one I'm quoting are standard for you.

What is ridiculous about it? I am just trying to force one ounce of intellectual honesty here. The facts as we know them largely suggests the screams for help were coming from Zimmerman, which sounds like a man who was in fear of some serious bodily or much worse. My emotions have largely been laughter and disgust at the hysterical pro-Martin rhetoric which never lines up with the facts.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I dunno, jon. There's going to be a war in and out of the courtroom over the recordings and who was yelling. It should be great entertainment, but I wouldn't put it past Lester to allow these experts practically ruling out George (Christo?). I consider Lester part of the prosecution team. Omara recently said he had 60% of the state's discovery and only 10% has been released to the public. Long way to go, maybe a couple years.

 

[Chaos Commish]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

what did i say that isnt true?

accost

thug



gangbanger



criminal



innocent



angel

GFGlock

Accousted

 

[Neofight]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

Pipe down Jon. I think it's been well established why nobody can take your ridiculous bet. Your emotionalism on this subject has been equal to any FBG, and greater than most. Borderline hysterical posts like the one I'm quoting are standard for you.

What is ridiculous about it? I am just trying to force one ounce of intellectual honesty here. The facts as we know them largely suggests the screams for help were coming from Zimmerman, which sounds like a man who was in fear of some serious bodily or much worse. My emotions have largely been laughter and disgust at the hysterical pro-Martin rhetoric which never lines up with the facts.

No, it isn't about intellectual honesty for you. What about pretending like you know what happened is intellectually honest?

 

[TexanFan02]

I dunno, jon. There's going to be a war in and out of the courtroom over the recordings and who was yelling. It should be great entertainment, but I wouldn't put it past Lester to allow these experts practically ruling out George (Christo?). I consider Lester part of the prosecution team. Omara recently said he had 60% of the state's discovery and only 10% has been released to the public. Long way to go, maybe a couple years.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I dunno, jon. There's going to be a war in and out of the courtroom over the recordings and who was yelling. It should be great entertainment, but I wouldn't put it past Lester to allow these experts practically ruling out George (Christo?). I consider Lester part of the prosecution team. Omara recently said he had 60% of the state's discovery and only 10% has been released to the public. Long way to go, maybe a couple years.

I agree with your reaction. Apparently Lester is on vacation in Vegas with Crump and Corley, atm.

 

[Charlie Frown]

The 911 caller called because she heard screaming. There is screaming from the beginning of the call till past the 40 second mark. Pretty sure all in all there was a good two minutes of screaming.

Someone was screaming. You piece together all the evidence and figure it out. I am 100 percent convinced it was the guy getting his face pounded in. It doesn't take a voice expert to come to that conclusion.

There was a good two minutes of screaming while Martin was pounding Zimmerman's face in and those cuts and scrapes and two black eyes and a broken nose were all the damage done? This is supposed to make sense? Was Martin pacing himself? Taking it easy?

look above 2 posts...post # 15144 and see the ''damage'' done to zimmy`s face

Doesn't really matter what it looks like after the fact. If he felt his life was in danger, by Florida law, he had the right to shoot Martin (as sad as that is). I am not sure how the prosecution can prove Zimmerman wasn't in fear for his life. Unless they can prove Zimmerman physically initiated the confrontation I don't see how he isn't acquitted.This is just my opinion based on my understanding of the case. I don't consider myself pro-Zimmerman or pro-Martin.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Zimmerman never suggested that Martin was a gangbanger. Just someone wandering around the neighborhood acting suspicious. You distort the facts by inserting baseless conclusions.

Just another funny sidebar, but George did suggest Trayvon was a gang member. You can't find this online afaik, but I'm 80% the following is accurate enough. Like the timeline I've put some pieces together that would take too long to explain. The cops, FBI and prosecution have agreed to sidestep the comment for now, but it's likely going to get its 15 minutes sooner or later. Remember Joe Oliver, George's discredited black friend? He wasn't discredited and would have continued his advocacy, but he quit over something he said that endangered and angered George.

Remember when the "effing coons" comment had many thinking this could be picked up as a hate crime? I listened to that comment a few dozen times on a cleaned up audio file with the headphones cranked up. He friggin said "effin coons", I was sure of it. I couldn't understand why his claim of "effin punks" seemed to kill the story. "Effin Punks?" Are you effin kidding me? That's not even close. Then someone rolled out "effin cold" bla bla bla. Buncha baloney. It sounds just like "effin coons" to me, and it is a clear enough recording.

It wasn't "coons". Joe Oliver said it was "goons" and he was right. Orlando has an unfortunate gang problem. Gang members call themselves goons. Urban Dictionary calls Orlando "Goon City". There's plenty of overflow into Sanford. A likely goon living on Retreat View Circle was recently arrested (for burglary) and likely the subject of one of George's many non emergency calls. Of course, someone as involved in crime prevention as George would be familiar with and use the term "goons" to describe local gangs.

So he called Trayvon, saggin in his hoody, an "effin goon" before he killed him. Probably a good idea do diffuse that one before the local goons decided to join the New Black Panthers.

 

[identikit]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

 

[TexanFan02]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Of course. Gotta make more profit off the killing. Donations must be down.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Of course. Gotta make more profit off the killing. Donations must be down.

 

[TexanFan02]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Of course. Gotta make more profit off the killing. Donations must be down.

"We don't want information released to the press".

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Perfect fit.Fox is banned up north for reporting lies and known misinformation as news.

Zimm should feel right right at home. This will help him further profit from such actions.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

Nothing. Not comparable.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

 

[TexanFan02]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

Yeah, how did he miss that guy?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

 

[TexanFan02]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

Actually, if he'd accidentally killed one of the innocent patrons, there's a good chance the robbers could have been charged with it, depending on Florida's felony murder doctrine. Still not a good idea to start a gunfight if you can't hit somebody 4 feet away from you. If the robber with the gun had wanted to, he could have taken him out easily.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

does this look like the face of someone severely beaten????

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120717&t=2&i=631091013&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE86G0LQU00

And how do you explain 40 seconds of screaming? With a picture and no context?my link

head wounds can be very deceiving. All that blood and not even one stitch.Face it, he wasnt getting a beatdown like he says. Ive said all along that i think there was more wrestling than punching, i think it was over the gun that zimmerman brandished during the struggle.That doesnt mean that treyvon was trying to get the gun for himself, it could be that he was just trying to not get shot, hence the screaming during the struggle, he lost and paid with his life.

And that would be self-defense. Even with the most ridiculous assumptions that Zimmerman is the evil mad man and Martin is a perfect angel, the case for self- defense is still strong,

When you have one person walking home and talking to his GF on his phone , and the last thing on his mind is being accousted by someone, who is armed with a glock that has decided you are a thug gangbanger criminal, you better believe one is an innocent angel and the other a madman.

The distortion of facts and spin by the pro-Martin folks has been out of control since day 1. There is a good reason not one of the pro-Martin side has taken my bet on whose scream it was, because they all know their position is full of crap. It is all emitionally-filled empty rhetoric which doesn't line up with the facts. Not one of you really believe the yelling for help was Martin. Not a single one of you. This case is a sham to appease the lynch mob.

what did i say that isnt true?

accost

thug



gangbanger



criminal



innocent



angel

GFGlock

Accousted

man it just drives you guys CRAZY when im right hahaha

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Perfect fit.Fox is banned up north for reporting lies and known misinformation as news.

Zimm should feel right right at home. This will help him further profit from such actions.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

Actually, if he'd accidentally killed one of the innocent patrons, there's a good chance the robbers could have been charged with it, depending on Florida's felony murder doctrine. Still not a good idea to start a gunfight if you can't hit somebody 4 feet away from you. If the robber with the gun had wanted to, he could have taken him out easily.

That's going to be of little consolation to the dead person and their family. Losing a few hundred bucks>>>>>>>>>losing a few too many pints of blood.

 

[TexanFan02]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

Actually, if he'd accidentally killed one of the innocent patrons, there's a good chance the robbers could have been charged with it, depending on Florida's felony murder doctrine. Still not a good idea to start a gunfight if you can't hit somebody 4 feet away from you. If the robber with the gun had wanted to, he could have taken him out easily.

That's going to be of little consolation to the dead person and their family. Losing a few hundred bucks>>>>>>>>>losing a few too many pints of blood.

I don't disagree.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

 

[identikit]

Looks like Zimmerman will be on FNC tonight:

#GeorgeZimmerman speaks with @SeanHannity tonight on @FoxNews

pic.twitter.com/OZkSGXKD

Looks like it will air @ 9pm edt on Fox News.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

When did the bat fight start? When did they cross the line that made violence seem imminent? When he hit an inanimate object while "accidentally" swinging a bat? And like I said, which you don't seem to get, is that it would depend on the tone of the robbers. If they were whacked out on drugs or mentally unstable, that'll probably be pretty clear and therefore raise the threat level. I guess my "one" scenario must be a pretty good one since a vast majority of robberies don't end in murder.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

When did the bat fight start? When did they cross the line that made violence seem imminent? When he hit an inanimate object while "accidentally" swinging a bat? And like I said, which you don't seem to get, is that it would depend on the tone of the robbers. If they were whacked out on drugs or mentally unstable, that'll probably be pretty clear and therefore raise the threat level. I guess my "one" scenario must be a pretty good one since a vast majority of robberies don't end in murder.

Nice choice of words. I sure hope you don't misjudge robbers' intentions when one is smashing things with a bat and another one is pointing a gun at everyone's face in the room or someone might die. You sure seem to have a grasp on being able to discern when someone accidentally smashes a monitor and when they intentionally do it. Hell if they are that clumsy during a robbery I'd fear they'd accidentally shoot somebody too. I'm glad you are ok wearing that on your conscious knowing you had an opportunity to prevent it, you can always shrug and say it was statistically irrelevant.

 

[TexanFan02]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

So he did hit them. That makes more sense.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

When did the bat fight start? When did they cross the line that made violence seem imminent? When he hit an inanimate object while "accidentally" swinging a bat? And like I said, which you don't seem to get, is that it would depend on the tone of the robbers. If they were whacked out on drugs or mentally unstable, that'll probably be pretty clear and therefore raise the threat level. I guess my "one" scenario must be a pretty good one since a vast majority of robberies don't end in murder.

Nice choice of words. I sure hope you don't misjudge robbers' intentions when one is smashing things with a bat and another one is pointing a gun at everyone's face in the room or someone might die. You sure seem to have a grasp on being able to discern when someone accidentally smashes a monitor and when they intentionally do it. Hell if they are that clumsy during a robbery I'd fear they'd accidentally shoot somebody too. I'm glad you are ok wearing that on your conscious knowing you had an opportunity to prevent it, you can always shrug and say it was statistically irrelevant.

Why don't you try reading the article you quoted and linked to, that's where I got the "accidentally". Here, I'll make it easy for you and bold it.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Watching Hannity for the first time in over a decade, I'm pleased with how poorly he's aged, or maybe I've never seen his mug in HD before.

Zimmerman is sticking to what I call the backbone of his inconsistent stories, but so far doing little to address big issues the prosecution will have with his account(s).

Mark O'Mara is supposedly a great defense attorney, so I guess I'm in over my head second guessing him, but if they just handled a couple of the dozen or so inconstencies, (especially the distance between the alleged sucker punch and bullet casing), then I might stop calling him incompetent. Maybe they just want to leave it at George being dazed and not remembering how 30-40 feet was covered. Maybe it doesn't matter. But the story he got punched and went straight down simply doesn't fit the crime scene evidence.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Zimmerman: "It was all god's plan."

 

[Chaos Commish]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.

No regrets for getting out of the vehicle. Loves his unborn children. Still apologizing to Tray's folks. Am I wrong or is this attorney stooopid?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

When did the bat fight start? When did they cross the line that made violence seem imminent? When he hit an inanimate object while "accidentally" swinging a bat? And like I said, which you don't seem to get, is that it would depend on the tone of the robbers. If they were whacked out on drugs or mentally unstable, that'll probably be pretty clear and therefore raise the threat level. I guess my "one" scenario must be a pretty good one since a vast majority of robberies don't end in murder.

Nice choice of words. I sure hope you don't misjudge robbers' intentions when one is smashing things with a bat and another one is pointing a gun at everyone's face in the room or someone might die. You sure seem to have a grasp on being able to discern when someone accidentally smashes a monitor and when they intentionally do it. Hell if they are that clumsy during a robbery I'd fear they'd accidentally shoot somebody too. I'm glad you are ok wearing that on your conscious knowing you had an opportunity to prevent it, you can always shrug and say it was statistically irrelevant.

Why don't you try reading the article you quoted and linked to, that's where I got the "accidentally". Here, I'll make it easy for you and bold it.

Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?

 

[TexanFan02]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.No regrets for getting out of the vehicle. Loves his unborn children. Still apologizing to Tray's folks. Am I wrong or is this attorney stooopid?

He's just the gift that keeps on giving. At point you said "he's running"How do you know Martin wasn't afraid of you?He wasn't.How can you know that?He wasn't running.But you said "he's running"?He was skipping. He wasn't running.

 

[TexanFan02]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.

He certainly doesn't do himself any favors, does he? How do you know Zimmerman is lying? His lips are moving.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.No regrets for getting out of the vehicle. Loves his unborn children. Still apologizing to Tray's folks. Am I wrong or is this attorney stooopid?

He's just the gift that keeps on giving. At point you said "he's running"How do you know Martin wasn't afraid of you?He wasn't.How can you know that?He wasn't running.But you said "he's running"?He was skipping. He wasn't running.

i missed this interview, i should have DVR`d

 

[TexanFan02]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.No regrets for getting out of the vehicle. Loves his unborn children. Still apologizing to Tray's folks. Am I wrong or is this attorney stooopid?

He's just the gift that keeps on giving. At point you said "he's running"How do you know Martin wasn't afraid of you?He wasn't.How can you know that?He wasn't running.But you said "he's running"?He was skipping. He wasn't running.

i missed this interview, i should have DVR`d

It's priceless.Hannity: Is there anything you'd do differently if you had it to do all over again?George: No.Hannity: Do you have anything you want to say to the parents?George: Sorry that you lost your son.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

George. Makes. Me. Sick.No regrets for getting out of the vehicle. Loves his unborn children. Still apologizing to Tray's folks. Am I wrong or is this attorney stooopid?

He's just the gift that keeps on giving. At point you said "he's running"How do you know Martin wasn't afraid of you?He wasn't.How can you know that?He wasn't running.But you said "he's running"?He was skipping. He wasn't running.

i missed this interview, i should have DVR`d

It's priceless.Hannity: Is there anything you'd do differently if you had it to do all over again?George: No.Hannity: Do you have anything you want to say to the parents?George: Sorry that you lost your son.

they didnt lose him zimmy...they found him... in the morue...and you sent him there

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers Release Annual Judicial Poll is out:

Lester ranked #1 (best) in both impartiality and lack of bias.

http://www.cfacdl.org/news.html

Seminole County. Also best in Knowledge of the Law, Diligence, Overall.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder what this guy will get charged with. He's a horrible shot.

I dunno but I'd be exceptionally pissed at him if I was the dude who was 2 feet from the robber when he shot. Frankly, if I was anyone in there. Granted, that opinion might change depending on the tone of the robbers but any cowboy who turns a robbery into a firefight without some very clear indication the robbers are about to get deadly can go #### himself.

So you'd let them rob the joint and everyone inside it unless they declared people are going to die today?

That's not the only way to indicate that they're actually going to get deadly, but yes. Being robbed is far superior than being caught in a crossfire in what would most likely have been a simple robbery.

You mean a bat fight? If the old timer could see straight he takes out the one robber with the gun when he turns his back on him. I disagree with your assessment, you have no idea what their intentions are. Someone walks into an internet cafe pointing a gun at people he could pull that trigger at any time, you don't know how stable he is, you can't assume he is only there to steal money, for all you know it could be a kidnapping, he could be whacked on some serious drugs, he might have mental issues. There is a myriad of scenarios that can easily turn bad and only one scenario that you are hoping for where it doesn't.More on the story for anyone interested: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mouse-gun-that-roared

excerpt:

Police reports identify Henderson as the suspect who was carrying a handgun that he waved around while yelling, “Don’t none of you motherf----ers move!” Dawkins was carrying a baseball bat, and he set the chain of events in motion when he accidentally swung the bat and smashed a computer worth about $1,200, covering himself with particles from the screen.

Henderson and Dawkins apparently have no criminal backgrounds, and Dawkins used to work at the establishment where this attempted robbery occurred, according to the police reports. Henderson was hit twice, in the right hip and left buttock, and Dawkins was slightly wounded in the left arm. It was enough to discourage them and end the robbery threat.

When did the bat fight start? When did they cross the line that made violence seem imminent? When he hit an inanimate object while "accidentally" swinging a bat? And like I said, which you don't seem to get, is that it would depend on the tone of the robbers. If they were whacked out on drugs or mentally unstable, that'll probably be pretty clear and therefore raise the threat level. I guess my "one" scenario must be a pretty good one since a vast majority of robberies don't end in murder.

Nice choice of words. I sure hope you don't misjudge robbers' intentions when one is smashing things with a bat and another one is pointing a gun at everyone's face in the room or someone might die. You sure seem to have a grasp on being able to discern when someone accidentally smashes a monitor and when they intentionally do it. Hell if they are that clumsy during a robbery I'd fear they'd accidentally shoot somebody too. I'm glad you are ok wearing that on your conscious knowing you had an opportunity to prevent it, you can always shrug and say it was statistically irrelevant.

Why don't you try reading the article you quoted and linked to, that's where I got the "accidentally". Here, I'll make it easy for you and bold it.

Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?

wned: but won't even admit it. Call me out for my choice of words when it's straight from your article. x10 that he told the cops it was an accident like that'll mitigate the armed robbery charges. Just admit you effed up and move on.