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Looks like he had Miss South Carolina coach him for that interview.
TexanFan02
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Which Planet?Looks like he had Miss South Carolina coach him for that interview.
I still don't get why Fox News is so all in for Zimmerman. I understand why they won't jump on Travon's side (NRA support, not siding with black civil rights people, not wanting to offend core white audience, etc) but they have to realize that Zimmerman is trash whether he did nothing wrong or he is guilty as ####
identikit
Footballguy
It's news.Any of the networks would have loved to have this interview.
Yeah but you have to be naive as hell to not see that Fox News has been extremely supportive of Zimmerman in the handling of this.
Of course that could change after tonight but they aren't really known for admitting to jumping on the wrong team.
Of course that could change after tonight but they aren't really known for admitting to jumping on the wrong team.
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TexanFan02
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Zimmerman would only talk to Fox because he thought it would help him. But he's so bad that even Hannity's softballs tripped him up.
The thing about our laws is they are suppose to be applied to everyone equally, even unlikeable idiots.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
I have not defended his character. I have defended his rights. There was a reason I have been of the opinion I would not want him to take witnessness stand.That all you got? I guess so, after that catastrophe.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
wned: but won't even admit it. Call me out for my choice of words when it's straight from your article.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Uh oh, guy smashed a computer, better turn this into a firefight! Anyway, what were you saying about my choice of words again?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i said it before and i`ll say it again...id be ashamed to defend this creep in any way, shape or form. He`s repulsiveI have not defended his character. I have defended his rights. There was a reason I have been of the opinion I would not want him to take witnessness stand.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Unfortunately, he'll have to take the stand. Where the prosecution will cut him to shreds, not that they'll need to. I'm starting to think that no reasonable jury could find him credible. If he's not credible, Murder 2.I have not defended his character. I have defended his rights. There was a reason I have been of the opinion I would not want him to take witnessness stand.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Make a different thread about it, guys.I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Chaos Commish
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Unfortunately??? I can't wait.Unfortunately, he'll have to take the stand. Where the prosecution will cut him to shreds, not that they'll need to. I'm starting to think that no reasonable jury could find him credible. If he's not credible, Murder 2.I have not defended his character. I have defended his rights. There was a reason I have been of the opinion I would not want him to take witnessness stand.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Unfortunately for him.Unfortunately??? I can't wait.Unfortunately, he'll have to take the stand. Where the prosecution will cut him to shreds, not that they'll need to. I'm starting to think that no reasonable jury could find him credible. If he's not credible, Murder 2.I have not defended his character. I have defended his rights. There was a reason I have been of the opinion I would not want him to take witnessness stand.
Neofight
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Widbil83
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I know right. He should have gone on Al Sharpton's show on MSNBC for this interview! It's not like he's extremely supportive of Martin or has held dozens of rallies with his family or anything.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Fox is tentatively supportive, because of the gun angle, and because he shot a black kid. But Zimmerman's a little brown himself, so they haven't gone all out.
timschochet
Footballguy
Money.
identikit
Footballguy
Only reason I can think of.Really dumb decision.
ATC1
Footballguy
Where have you taken your self defense class?I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
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mad sweeney
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What does that have to do with anything? TIAWhere have you taken your self defense class?I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
timschochet
Footballguy
So let's get down to the key question here:
Let's say the trial happens, and the state doesn't produce any new evidence. So the best they can do is suggest that Zimmerman murdered Martin, but they can't really PROVE it. And they can't disprove the possibility that it was self-defense. However, when Zimmerman takes the stand (assuming that lawyers like Christo are right and he has to take the stand) the cross-examination is brutal, and Zimmerman is tripped up at every turn and the jury becomes convinced that Zimmerman is a scumbag, idiot, and liar.
Will that be enough for 12 jurors to convict? Or will at least a few of them say, "He may be all of those things, but we still have no proof that it wasn't self-defense." ?
Let's say the trial happens, and the state doesn't produce any new evidence. So the best they can do is suggest that Zimmerman murdered Martin, but they can't really PROVE it. And they can't disprove the possibility that it was self-defense. However, when Zimmerman takes the stand (assuming that lawyers like Christo are right and he has to take the stand) the cross-examination is brutal, and Zimmerman is tripped up at every turn and the jury becomes convinced that Zimmerman is a scumbag, idiot, and liar.
Will that be enough for 12 jurors to convict? Or will at least a few of them say, "He may be all of those things, but we still have no proof that it wasn't self-defense." ?
Jojo the circus boy
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From my expert lawyering knowledge from watching TV, I think if Zim takes the stand you'll be hearing a lot of "objection relevancy" from his lawyer when asked irrelevant questions not pertaining to the case.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Right because smashing a computer does not escalate the situation, for all you know if you were in that room and you didn't actually see him smash the computer you might think he was taking a swing at someone, but of course you would have thought to yourself, yeah it must have been an accident. I find it interesting that you think you need to hear a gun shot before you start shooting. Let them shoot first and then ask questions/shoot later? Good luck with that.I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Charlie Frown
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Zimmerman = Oof.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I think it's interesting that you think I said somewhere that they needed to shoot first and still won't own up to completely flopping while trying to slam me for my word choice. I said my opinion would change based on the tone and disposition of the robbers.Right because smashing a computer does not escalate the situation, for all you know if you were in that room and you didn't actually see him smash the computer you might think he was taking a swing at someone, but of course you would have thought to yourself, yeah it must have been an accident. I find it interesting that you think you need to hear a gun shot before you start shooting. Let them shoot first and then ask questions/shoot later? Good luck with that.I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Jojo the circus boy
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Please be more vague about "get deadly" and "tone and disposition of the robbers": we have smashing things (possibly people if you can't see what is being smashed because they told you not to move) with a bat not deadly enough and actually using a gun too deadly so I'm guessing they need to tell you "THIS IS GOING TO GET DEADLY" for you to take action. You know what forget it, your blinders are on so tight you won't see daylight.I think it's interesting that you think I said somewhere that they needed to shoot first and still won't own up to completely flopping while trying to slam me for my word choice. I said my opinion would change based on the tone and disposition of the robbers.Right because smashing a computer does not escalate the situation, for all you know if you were in that room and you didn't actually see him smash the computer you might think he was taking a swing at someone, but of course you would have thought to yourself, yeah it must have been an accident. I find it interesting that you think you need to hear a gun shot before you start shooting. Let them shoot first and then ask questions/shoot later? Good luck with that.I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The prosecution has some five different statements from Zimmerman about that night all relevant to the shooting and all straying from each other. Now they will subpoena the missing 40 minutes Fox edited last night to have a sixth long statement with inconsistencies. The prosecuting attorney is an emotional blowhard who will grind and grind and grind on every inconsistency. George is an emotional cold fish, who will stupidly insist everything he said makes sense. Juries hate cold fish.Florida jury = 6 members not 12, Tim. Only a small percentage of idiots are following this as close as we are. Normal people are starting to realize the media sold a lot of lies about George and they are moving in his direction in polls as someone posted here. This interview will probably help them turn that into some real momentum. And that's great, imo, because the race baiters who turned this thing into a national disgrace should be exposed and ridiculed before they get sued by George. So the interview will help George in the court of public opinion. He could have left out the God bit and done a lot better.
The interview will probably prove to be a trainwreck in court though. I've taken to reading defense attorneys opinions and 90% think the interview was stupid and can't figure out O'Mara. I have to stop before I type too many words again.
ATC1
Footballguy
Answer the question and I'll answer yours.What does that have to do with anything? TIAWhere have you taken your self defense class?I'm pretty sure what I said went right over your head.'Jojo the circus boy said:Yes I read the article I posted. I find it interesting though that you think you can tell the difference when it happens in real-time. Do you think he apologized after hitting the computer, or owned that smashing like, yeah I meant to do that, or perhaps do you think he tried to paint a positive description of the events that happened and said it was an accident when police filed a report when they arrested him?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The state is now considering another motion to revoke bond since Zimmerman violated the order last night by using the Fox telethon to contact the Martins again. Lester very much agreed with me about how horrid the last contact was and made non contact a condition of bond.
Rules for FBGs who get caught killing someone justified or not.
1. Do not do interviews.
2. If you violate rule #1 because your attorney is a media whore, when asked if you regret killing, answer YES.
3. Avoid blaming deities.
Rules for FBGs who get caught killing someone justified or not.
1. Do not do interviews.
2. If you violate rule #1 because your attorney is a media whore, when asked if you regret killing, answer YES.
3. Avoid blaming deities.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
More rules....If asked if you regret killing a kid... answer YES. (zimmerman rule)If asked if you are a pedophile... answer NO. (sandusky rule)stolen from elsewhere on the netThe state is now considering another motion to revoke bond since Zimmerman violated the order last night by using the Fox telethon to contact the Martins again. Lester very much agreed with me about how horrid the last contact was and made non contact a condition of bond.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm twisting context a little but since I hate Zimmerman less than the state does I think this is possible. Answering the question about death threats, New Black Panthers, and morons like Spike Lee tweeting his address, George nobly suggested that if you do something wrong you should apologize. He apologized quite a bit last night. 
I now consider O'Mara part of the prosecution.
I now consider O'Mara part of the prosecution.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Barbwa Walters tried very hard for the interview Hannity got and is a little bitter about it. She reported this morning that it was in fact O'Mara pushing George into the interview. So O'Mara tried to set up a phone interview with her, and she refused.
The state has just filed the interview as evidence. Oy.
I now consider George part of the prosecution.
The state has just filed the interview as evidence. Oy.
I now consider George part of the prosecution.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
In the 8 days after O'Mara was hired leading up to the bond hearing where George misled the court about his finances, O'Mara did 18 television interviews. Some attorneys may have been a little more interested in their clients financial situation going into a bond hearing. Maybe they would have used the 8 days to gather some bank statements and whatnot for an official little nicely documented financial statement. Not O'Mara. He just believed George was broke despite George having previously told him about some 37 grand of donations he tried to transfer.
O'Mara confirms Zimmerman is running his own website... again.
Rule #5 -- Do not launch a website while facing murder charges.
O'Mara confirms Zimmerman is running his own website... again.
Rule #5 -- Do not launch a website while facing murder charges.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He's done legal analysis for Florida TV stations for years. He may really love media attention and what little fame it brings him. His reputation is/was great -- super educated, stickler for details, misses nothing, extremely honest and ethical, loved by judges, clients and greatly respected by prosecutors. Also, a devoted churchgoing born again Christian. I suspect he's spent his career dominating the minor leagues and this is proving a difficult step up in class for him. My gut tells me he's making this much harder than it has to be. He also just said Zimmerman is broke and there could be more interviews.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Stop it, you're killing meHe's done legal analysis for Florida TV stations for years. He may really love media attention and what little fame it brings him. His reputation is/was great -- super educated, stickler for details, misses nothing, extremely honest and ethical, loved by judges, clients and greatly respected by prosecutors. Also, a devoted churchgoing born again Christian. I suspect he's spent his career dominating the minor leagues and this is proving a difficult step up in class for him. My gut tells me he's making this much harder than it has to be. He also just said Zimmerman is broke and there could be more interviews.
ATC1
Footballguy
Apparently the apology is still not good enough.I'm twisting context a little but since I hate Zimmerman less than the state does I think this is possible. Answering the question about death threats, New Black Panthers, and morons like Spike Lee tweeting his address, George nobly suggested that if you do something wrong you should apologize. He apologized quite a bit last night.
timschochet
Footballguy
Suppose your son is dead, and you believe he was murdered. The guy you think murdered your son won't admit to it and accuses your son of attacking him and trying to kill him, and claims he was forced to kill your son in self-defense. Then supporters of this man spread all kinds of BS over the internet attacking your son, claiming he was a "thug" and a "punk".Would YOU accept this man's apology?
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TexanFan02
Footballguy
When you say you'd do it all the same way again, no apology is ever going to work.Apparently the apology is still not good enough.I'm twisting context a little but since I hate Zimmerman less than the state does I think this is possible. Answering the question about death threats, New Black Panthers, and morons like Spike Lee tweeting his address, George nobly suggested that if you do something wrong you should apologize. He apologized quite a bit last night.
ATC1
Footballguy
Totally forgot all sarcasm goes out the window when entering this thread. apologies.
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TexanFan02
Footballguy
Apparently you missed the Fox interview.
Topes
Footballguy
Charlie Frown
Footballguy
They only way it could have been worse is if he had answered "Yeah I would have double tapped!".'TexanFan02 said:When you say you'd do it all the same way again, no apology is ever going to work.'ATC1 said:Apparently the apology is still not good enough.'Chaos Commish said:I'm twisting context a little but since I hate Zimmerman less than the state does I think this is possible. Answering the question about death threats, New Black Panthers, and morons like Spike Lee tweeting his address, George nobly suggested that if you do something wrong you should apologize. He apologized quite a bit last night.
