Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[SacramentoBob]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

 

[jon_mx]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

But SYG is a type of self-defense. No reason that there would be anything contradictory. I guess they did not want to put any cards on the table prior to the trial.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

But SYG is a type of self-defense. No reason that there would be anything contradictory. I guess they did not want to put any cards on the table prior to the trial.

You are arguing details that I cannot explain; this was an analysis that I briefly overheard. His defense is going to be self-defense, not his right to SYG; the precise differences are beyond me.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

But SYG is a type of self-defense. No reason that there would be anything contradictory. I guess they did not want to put any cards on the table prior to the trial.

You are arguing details that I cannot explain; this was an analysis that I briefly overheard. His defense is going to be self-defense, not his right to SYG; the precise differences are beyond me.

Since he had no opportunity to flea, based on his claim that Trayvon had knocked him down and was on top of him, he doesn't need the SYG rule, it doesn't apply... SYG is for when you had an opportunity to flea before you "defended yourself"..

 

[FootballDummy]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

But SYG is a type of self-defense. No reason that there would be anything contradictory. I guess they did not want to put any cards on the table prior to the trial.

You are arguing details that I cannot explain; this was an analysis that I briefly overheard. His defense is going to be self-defense, not his right to SYG; the precise differences are beyond me.

Since he had no opportunity to flea, based on his claim that Trayvon had knocked him down and was on top of him, he doesn't need the SYG rule, it doesn't apply... SYG is for when you had an opportunity to flea before you "defended yourself"..

Flea?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

IIRC when it was announced on Wed., they reported that even though they waive the pretrial hearing for SYG, it doesn't mean they cannot seek it.

During Tuesday's motions hearing, Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O'Mara told Judge Debra Nelson there was nothing in the law that required the immunity hearing to take place before Zimmerman's trial. O'Mara said the hearing could be requested after the defense has presented its case, but "we'd much rather have the jury address the issue of criminal liability or lack thereof."

"We believe the defense's decision to waive a pretrial hearing and to merge the 'stand your ground' hearing into the trial is to prevent putting George Zimmerman on the stand,"

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

But SYG is a type of self-defense. No reason that there would be anything contradictory. I guess they did not want to put any cards on the table prior to the trial.

You are arguing details that I cannot explain; this was an analysis that I briefly overheard. His defense is going to be self-defense, not his right to SYG; the precise differences are beyond me.

Since he had no opportunity to flea, based on his claim that Trayvon had knocked him down and was on top of him, he doesn't need the SYG rule, it doesn't apply... SYG is for when you had an opportunity to flea before you "defended yourself"..

Flea?

flee*

 

[Warrior]

You know...flea the seen

 

[pantherclub]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

get the #### out of here

 

[pittstownkiller]

Sounds like Zimmy wanted to be tried in front of an emotional, easily swayed jury instead of a rational unbiased judge. I think we all know why.

But Zimmerman has nothing to lose if the judge rules against him. This is like forfeiting game 6 to force a game 7.

I am not a lawyer but I thought this had to do with how his defense was going to present his case; they decided not to present it as a "stand your ground issue" but as a "self defense" issue. I do not believe that they can present his defense as multiple, possibly contradictory, forms of reasons.

get the #### out of here

No, it's true but the analysis I heard was from lawyers.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/05/us/utah-soccer-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2]46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

Two completely innocent people who were minding their own business are dead because of ####wits with mental problems?

 

[TxBuckeye]

wdcrob, on 06 May 2013 - 06:44, said:Two completely innocent people who were minding their own business are dead because of ####wits with mental problems?

300 pages and people are still appointing themselves as judge and jury? This thread must be a joy to sludge through.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

he should be boxing not playing soccer

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

he should be boxing not playing soccer

yeah either that or tried for murder

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

 

[Clifford]

Every six months or so I check back in to make sure we are spinning our tires in the same ditch. Carry on.

 

[mad sweeney]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

I wonder after how long of being followed you'd fear for your life?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

I wonder after how long of being followed you'd fear for your life?

If I feared for my life from being followed and I lived ~5 minutes away I would run home, or better yet call the cops on my cell phone that I am using to call some girl I'm seeing, instead of spending an hour stalking the guy following me so I could jump him.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

I wonder after how long of being followed you'd fear for your life?

If I feared for my life from being followed and I lived ~5 minutes away I would run home, or better yet call the cops on my cell phone that I am using to call some girl I'm seeing, instead of spending an hour stalking the guy following me so I could jump him.

Im sure It`s comforting to Treys family that you know exactly what there son was thinking and doing in the final moments of his life.

 

[mad sweeney]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

I wonder after how long of being followed you'd fear for your life?

If I feared for my life from being followed and I lived ~5 minutes away I would run home, or better yet call the cops on my cell phone that I am using to call some girl I'm seeing, instead of spending an hour stalking the guy following me so I could jump him.

Yeah, I'd lead the guy to my house where my little brother was too.

Oh yeah, and since we're talking about common sense things that we'd do in their shoes, I'd stop following a suspicious/dangerous guy after I'd called the cops and they'd told me they dind't need me to (aka don't want you to) follow the guy.

 

[jon_mx]

This thread is awful.

 

[The Commish]

This thread is awful.

SSDD....can't wait for the actual trial...should be OFF THE CHARTS!!!!!!!

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

46 year old man dies from punch from 17 year old kid

What does this have to do with a wannabe cop with a gun following a kid around?

I wonder how many punches you could take to the head before you would fear for the same outcome.

I wonder after how long of being followed you'd fear for your life?

If I feared for my life from being followed and I lived ~5 minutes away I would run home, or better yet call the cops on my cell phone that I am using to call some girl I'm seeing, instead of spending an hour stalking the guy following me so I could jump him.

Im sure It`s comforting to Treys family that you know exactly what there son was thinking and doing in the final moments of his life.

I did not claim to know what he was thinking, I responded to angry sweeney's hypothetical and even if I did why would it be comforting to his family? It's really not that hard to piece together his actions from the timeline.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Experts differ on Trayvon's, Zimmerman's voice in 911 screams

Two new reports from state audio experts give different conclusions about the voice screaming for help just before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot: One said it was Trayvon. The other said some cries more likely came from his shooter.

It remains to be seen whether jurors will hear about the new evidence at George Zimmerman's trial, set to begin June 10 in Sanford. Zimmerman's lawyer said he may ask to delay the trial in light of the new analysis.

A neighbor's 911 call before the shooting captured the sound of someone crying for help. After a gunshot, the cries stop.

In a new evaluation, forensic analyst Alan Reich wrote that he believed the cries came from Trayvon, "the younger of the two male speakers."

Reich's report indicates he heard things others haven't in the call, including Trayvon screaming, "I'm begging you."


He also claimed Zimmerman can simultaneously be heard making "a seemingly religious proclamation, 'These shall be.' " That comes about a second into the 911 audio, Reich reported.

Another report, by Harry Hollien and James Harnsberger of Forensic Communication Associates, said the audio quality was insufficient for a definitive voice match. But they found some of the cries came close to matching Trayvon's voice, while others came close to matching Zimmerman's.

Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara criticized Reich's analysis, and he said he may ask for a trial delay to find an additional expert to rebut him. The defense lawyer said his expert has concluded Zimmerman was the one yelling.

Natalie Jackson, an attorney for Trayvon's family, said she believes the state reports are consistent with each other, and that both voices can be heard in the background of the call.

Reich earlier concluded the voice was Trayvon's in May 2012 analysis for the Washington Post. The Post said Reich has a doctorate in speech science and "has worked ... in hundreds of criminal and civil cases over a period of more than 35 years."

Two other analysts who studied the recordings for the Sentinel in March 2012 said the screams were not Zimmerman's. At the time of their analysis, and Reich's for the Post, there were no available voice samples of Trayvon.

The reports by Reich and Forensic Communication Associates show the state provided samples of Trayvon for the newly revealed analysis.

Previous records showed FBI analysts were unable to identify the source of the cries.

Last week, Zimmerman's attorneys asked for a hearing to determine the validity of the state's voice evidence.

Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who is not associated with the case, said the state must show the experts' conclusions are based on methods "commonly accepted within their particular scientific or expert community" as reliable.

WFTV-Channel 9 analyst Bill Sheaffer predicted the state would pass that test.

Reported by another paper, but not by the Orlando Sentinel... Go figure. Another exmaple of George Zimmerman the sociopath.

"The expert, Allen Reich of New Jersey, says that it's Zimmerman who says, "Dear God, these a-holes always get away, but not on me.""

"Reich then said he hears some sort of religious proclamation, "Thee Shall Be." According to the report, then Martin is heard saying, "I'm begging you," and then Martin saying, "Stop," just before the shot."

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpMYWgeG4fM]911 call with gunshot

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Experts differ on Trayvon's, Zimmerman's voice in 911 screams

Two new reports from state audio experts give different conclusions about the voice screaming for help just before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot: One said it was Trayvon. The other said some cries more likely came from his shooter.

It remains to be seen whether jurors will hear about the new evidence at George Zimmerman's trial, set to begin June 10 in Sanford. Zimmerman's lawyer said he may ask to delay the trial in light of the new analysis.

A neighbor's 911 call before the shooting captured the sound of someone crying for help. After a gunshot, the cries stop.

In a new evaluation, forensic analyst Alan Reich wrote that he believed the cries came from Trayvon, "the younger of the two male speakers."

Reich's report indicates he heard things others haven't in the call, including Trayvon screaming, "I'm begging you."


He also claimed Zimmerman can simultaneously be heard making "a seemingly religious proclamation, 'These shall be.' " That comes about a second into the 911 audio, Reich reported.

Another report, by Harry Hollien and James Harnsberger of Forensic Communication Associates, said the audio quality was insufficient for a definitive voice match. But they found some of the cries came close to matching Trayvon's voice, while others came close to matching Zimmerman's.

Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara criticized Reich's analysis, and he said he may ask for a trial delay to find an additional expert to rebut him. The defense lawyer said his expert has concluded Zimmerman was the one yelling.

Natalie Jackson, an attorney for Trayvon's family, said she believes the state reports are consistent with each other, and that both voices can be heard in the background of the call.

Reich earlier concluded the voice was Trayvon's in May 2012 analysis for the Washington Post. The Post said Reich has a doctorate in speech science and "has worked ... in hundreds of criminal and civil cases over a period of more than 35 years."

Two other analysts who studied the recordings for the Sentinel in March 2012 said the screams were not Zimmerman's. At the time of their analysis, and Reich's for the Post, there were no available voice samples of Trayvon.

The reports by Reich and Forensic Communication Associates show the state provided samples of Trayvon for the newly revealed analysis.

Previous records showed FBI analysts were unable to identify the source of the cries.

Last week, Zimmerman's attorneys asked for a hearing to determine the validity of the state's voice evidence.

Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who is not associated with the case, said the state must show the experts' conclusions are based on methods "commonly accepted within their particular scientific or expert community" as reliable.

WFTV-Channel 9 analyst Bill Sheaffer predicted the state would pass that test.

Reported by another paper, but not by the Orlando Sentinel... Go figure. Another exmaple of George Zimmerman the sociopath.

"The expert, Allen Reich of New Jersey, says that it's Zimmerman who says, "Dear God, these a-holes always get away, but not on me.""

"Reich then said he hears some sort of religious proclamation, "Thee Shall Be." According to the report, then Martin is heard saying, "I'm begging you," and then Martin saying, "Stop," just before the shot."

This guy is a fruit...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

Treyvons not on trial...and hes not here to defend any accusations .

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

...and it's pretty clear to me you have no interest in a fair trial, you only want evidence to be presented by the prosecution. Not evidence like the drug paraphernalia found on Martin that night, his toxicology report showing what drugs was in his blood stream, other evidence that would point to Martin's violent tendencies, if he was a drug dealer, or what text messages he sent that night.

 

[FootballDummy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

When you're on the same side as Carolina Hustler, you just know you're wrong, but won't admit it. Zimmerman should get the chair. Murderer.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

I have so many loving followers

Seriously though, you can tell who the dumb ones are .. I mean, some of them even advertise it in there names...

 

[mad sweeney]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

Yeah, you know those violent potheads!

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

It's a good thing evidence wins murder trials and not opinions.

 

[FootballDummy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

Yes, it is. at "drug dealer".

 

[Carolina Hustler]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

There are going to be some broken hearts when this one is over eh?

 

[FootballDummy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

You going to cry for Zimmerman?

 

[moderated]

So what is Zimmerman being tried for? Hopefully murder 1 so he can spend the rest of his life in prison. Cold Blooded Killer.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So what is Zimmerman being tried for? Hopefully murder 1 so he can spend the rest of his life in prison. Cold Blooded Killer.

Shhhh...you`re gonna upset the GZ fan club

 

[Carolina Hustler]

ORLANDO, Fla. -State prosecutors in the case against George Zimmerman are pushing to keep Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing testimony about Trayvon Martin's past during the trial.


The state said in motions filed on Friday they want to prevent Zimmerman's attorneys from bringing up Martin's personal life, including his school records, previous suspension from school, fights, text messages sent prior to his death unless related to case and his social media use.

The motion also says the state wants to prevent the defense from using Martin's toxicology report, which showed the level of marijuana in Martin's blood the night he was shot and killed.

The state filing the motion doesn't mean the defense was trying to use it at the trial and often similar motions are filed as a precaution to give the judge an opportunity to tell both sides what they should not reference or introduce unless later ruled relevant and admissible.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara also filed motions discussing what they will discuss at the next hearing, which is set for May 28. Among the motions were a motion to allow additional witnesses and to allow expert testimony by video at the hearing.

Gee I wonder what they are trying to hide?

They are so far from getting a murder conviction without providing any evidence hinting in that direction that their only chance is to pay off experts to pretend they can decipher "who said what" in a very garbled background noise of a 911 call. All of the other contrary evidence in the timeline will be too much to overcome.

There will likely be no reason to cry if I were so inclined..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Top Story on CNN

(CNN) -- Text messages sent from Trayvon Martin's cell phone the day he was killed show he had been arguing with someone on the phone and was "hostile," attorneys for George Zimmerman wrote in a recent court filing.

Zimmerman's lawyers argue the texts are relevant to the case, in which the unarmed teenager was fatally shot by the neighborhood watch volunteer during a confrontation in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood in February 2012.

The texts speak to Martin's demeanor and emotional state, the Thursday filing said, and "may assist the jury in understanding why Trayvon Martin chose to hide then confront George Zimmerman rather than simply going home."

The filing said the texts were mostly with "Witness 8," and the messages showed Martin and the friend were "hostile and angry with each other at various points throughout the day."

Martin, 17, was talking on the phone with Witness 8 when he and Zimmerman met as Martin walked to the house of his father's fiancee after a trip to a nearby convenience store.

Zimmerman to argue self-defense, will not seek 'stand your ground'

Photos: Trayvon Martin evidence

Is the defense trashing Trayvon Martin? Court evidence angers Martin family

Also in the document, Zimmerman's attorneys say the court should also consider text messages sent before that day, because they establish Martin's marijuana use and fights he had been involved in.

"This (fighting) evidence is admissible in support of Mr. Zimmerman's self-defense claim regarding the abilities and capacity of Trayvon Martin as an experienced fighter," Zimmerman's attorneys wrote.

The attorney for Martin's family, Benjamin Crump, said Thursday that evidence and other details -- like the defense's assertion that Martin had removable gold tooth caps -- are "irrelevant." He predicted they would never be used at Zimmerman's trial.

"Is the defense trying to prove Trayvon deserved to be killed by George Zimmerman because (of) the way he looked?" Crump asked in a statement.

"If so, this stereotypical and closed-minded thinking is the same mindset that caused George Zimmerman to get out of his car and pursue Trayvon, an unarmed kid who he didn't know. The pretrial release of these irrelevant red herrings is a desperate and pathetic attempt by the defense to pollute and sway the jury pool."

Two previous gag order requests by the prosecution have been denied.

George Zimmerman's brother apologizes for offensive tweet

Instead, he said, jurors will focus on Zimmerman's arrest for battery on a police officer, a domestic violence injunction and other issues he said demonstrate a "propensity for violence."

Other items taken from Martin's phone included text-message discussions of drugs and pictures of a gun and marijuana plants.

Lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara said he will try to use the evidence if prosecutors attempt to attack Zimmerman's character during his trial on second-degree murder charges, set to begin next month.

Zimmerman's brother slammed for tweets O'Mara: Evidence shows Trayvon attacked

Also Thursday, O'Mara filed a request that his client's trial be delayed.

Much of the new evidence disclosed Thursday in filings by Zimmerman's attorneys comes from Martin's cell phone, including photos showing a semiautomatic pistol and ammunition and small marijuana plants growing in pots.

In another picture, Martin is pictured making obscene gestures in an apparent self-portrait. Others show him with friends and in other settings.

Gun, drug texts feature in new Trayvon Martin shooting evidence

Zimmerman recently waived his right to a pretrial hearing under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force when threatened regardless of where they are.

His attorneys will claim self-defense at trial.

A representative of the special prosecutor handling the case did not return an e-mail message Thursday seeking comment on the evidence.

Prosecutors renewed their motion for a gag order in the case Thursday because, they said, they're concerned about finding an impartial jury given the "inordinate amount of media coverage."

Two previous gag order requests by the prosecution have been denied.

Arrest 'solely to placate the masses," Zimmerman's mother writes

-------------

The text messages include a conversation from November 2011 in which he appears to say his mother has kicked him out of the house after "da police caught me outta skool."

"So you just turning into a lil hoodlum," the person with whom he is texting says.

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," the text message read.

In other messages, text message exchanges appear to be discussing guns.

"U wanna share a .380 w/ (blacked out)," one text message sent from Martin's phone reads.

O'Mara: Evidence shows Trayvon attacked

The text messaging logs are also peppered with references to marijuana use.

"I got weed nd I get money Friday," a message sent from his phone reads.

"I hid m weed," another text sent from Martin's phone reads. "its wrapped."

-------------

Removable gold teeth caps, marijuana plants, semiautomatic guns, ...yeah, just your average teenager...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

It's a good thing evidence wins murder trials and not opinions.

Yes, it is. at "drug dealer".

Bump

 

[FootballDummy]

It's a good thing evidence wins murder trials and not opinions.

Yes, it is. at "drug dealer".

Bump

Yeah, teenagers never say stupid things to their friends in texts. Irrelevant. Zimmerman still a murderer.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

It's a good thing evidence wins murder trials and not opinions.

Yes, it is. at "drug dealer".

Bump

Yeah, teenagers never say stupid things to their friends in texts. Irrelevant. Zimmerman still a murderer.

Yeah if I had a dollar for every time I took these pictures with my cell phone's camera and sent them to my friends, because you know as a teenager I am constantly around loaded .40 caliber's that cost $500+ new and multiple pot plants...

pics

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Top Story on CNN

(CNN) -- Text messages sent from Trayvon Martin's cell phone the day he was killed show he had been arguing with someone on the phone and was "hostile," attorneys for George Zimmerman wrote in a recent court filing.

Zimmerman's lawyers argue the texts are relevant to the case, in which the unarmed teenager was fatally shot by the neighborhood watch volunteer during a confrontation in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood in February 2012.

The texts speak to Martin's demeanor and emotional state, the Thursday filing said, and "may assist the jury in understanding why Trayvon Martin chose to hide then confront George Zimmerman rather than simply going home."

The filing said the texts were mostly with "Witness 8," and the messages showed Martin and the friend were "hostile and angry with each other at various points throughout the day."

Martin, 17, was talking on the phone with Witness 8 when he and Zimmerman met as Martin walked to the house of his father's fiancee after a trip to a nearby convenience store.

Zimmerman to argue self-defense, will not seek 'stand your ground'

Photos: Trayvon Martin evidence

Is the defense trashing Trayvon Martin? Court evidence angers Martin family

Also in the document, Zimmerman's attorneys say the court should also consider text messages sent before that day, because they establish Martin's marijuana use and fights he had been involved in.

"This (fighting) evidence is admissible in support of Mr. Zimmerman's self-defense claim regarding the abilities and capacity of Trayvon Martin as an experienced fighter," Zimmerman's attorneys wrote.

The attorney for Martin's family, Benjamin Crump, said Thursday that evidence and other details -- like the defense's assertion that Martin had removable gold tooth caps -- are "irrelevant." He predicted they would never be used at Zimmerman's trial.

"Is the defense trying to prove Trayvon deserved to be killed by George Zimmerman because (of) the way he looked?" Crump asked in a statement.

"If so, this stereotypical and closed-minded thinking is the same mindset that caused George Zimmerman to get out of his car and pursue Trayvon, an unarmed kid who he didn't know. The pretrial release of these irrelevant red herrings is a desperate and pathetic attempt by the defense to pollute and sway the jury pool."

Two previous gag order requests by the prosecution have been denied.

George Zimmerman's brother apologizes for offensive tweet

Instead, he said, jurors will focus on Zimmerman's arrest for battery on a police officer, a domestic violence injunction and other issues he said demonstrate a "propensity for violence."

Other items taken from Martin's phone included text-message discussions of drugs and pictures of a gun and marijuana plants.

Lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara said he will try to use the evidence if prosecutors attempt to attack Zimmerman's character during his trial on second-degree murder charges, set to begin next month.

Zimmerman's brother slammed for tweets O'Mara: Evidence shows Trayvon attacked

Also Thursday, O'Mara filed a request that his client's trial be delayed.

Much of the new evidence disclosed Thursday in filings by Zimmerman's attorneys comes from Martin's cell phone, including photos showing a semiautomatic pistol and ammunition and small marijuana plants growing in pots.

In another picture, Martin is pictured making obscene gestures in an apparent self-portrait. Others show him with friends and in other settings.

Gun, drug texts feature in new Trayvon Martin shooting evidence

Zimmerman recently waived his right to a pretrial hearing under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force when threatened regardless of where they are.

His attorneys will claim self-defense at trial.

A representative of the special prosecutor handling the case did not return an e-mail message Thursday seeking comment on the evidence.

Prosecutors renewed their motion for a gag order in the case Thursday because, they said, they're concerned about finding an impartial jury given the "inordinate amount of media coverage."

Two previous gag order requests by the prosecution have been denied.

Arrest 'solely to placate the masses," Zimmerman's mother writes

-------------

The text messages include a conversation from November 2011 in which he appears to say his mother has kicked him out of the house after "da police caught me outta skool."

"So you just turning into a lil hoodlum," the person with whom he is texting says.

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," the text message read.

In other messages, text message exchanges appear to be discussing guns.

"U wanna share a .380 w/ (blacked out)," one text message sent from Martin's phone reads.

O'Mara: Evidence shows Trayvon attacked

The text messaging logs are also peppered with references to marijuana use.

"I got weed nd I get money Friday," a message sent from his phone reads.

"I hid m weed," another text sent from Martin's phone reads. "its wrapped."

-------------

Removable gold teeth caps, marijuana plants, semiautomatic guns, ...yeah, just your average teenager...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

you mean the charges that were dropped for an incident that happened 8 years ago?

That seems to go along with your thinking: guilty until proven innocent.

No wonder they were dropped his ex-fiancée was a looney:

The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.

The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek.

Zimmerman filed his own petition the day after his ex-fiancée's, in which he claimed that she had been the aggressor in the fight. He said she called him Aug. 8 and invited him to spend the night.

He said he declined to stay overnight, and his ex accused him of leaving to see another woman or to "party" with his friends.

Zimmerman accused the woman in his petition of cursing at and striking him, and said she refused to give him documents, including mortgage papers and car-loan documents, that belonged to him.

He said she caused the wounds to his face that she blamed on her dog. Both Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée reported in their petitions that the fight wasn't the first incident of violence between them.

Yeah a dog bit him on the cheek, did the dog jump up in the air and bite him on the face?

 

[jon_mx]

Breaking UPDATE!!!!.....

(AP) May 27, 2013: This thread still sucks.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Breaking UPDATE!!!!.....

(AP) May 27, 2013: This thread still sucks.

Im just happy that Jojo the circus boy isnt on Treyvons side, what a train wreck his posts are.

 

[jon_mx]

Breaking UPDATE!!!!.....

(AP) May 27, 2013: This thread still sucks.

Im just happy that Jojo the circus boy isnt on Treyvons side, what a train wreck his posts are.

The pro-Martin side has more of its share of stupid.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Breaking UPDATE!!!!.....

(AP) May 27, 2013: This thread still sucks.

Im just happy that Jojo the circus boy isnt on Treyvons side, what a train wreck his posts are.

Says the guy who has not posted a single incriminating thing against Zimmerman, just feeble gibberish.