Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

This is false, tell me how much time elapses on the recorded call from the point where he says "okay." when his heavy breathing stops and it is evident that he stopped pursuing to the point where he hangs up. How much distance did Martin have to close to get home. How long does it take a normal teenager to jog that distance? How long does it take a normal person to walk that distance?

not evident to me...he sounds distracted after the dispatch says dont do that...ya he says ok but he clearly sounds like hes still looking around...and the fact that he tells the dispatch to have the cops call him when they get there says he wont be at the truck like he agreed ...i guess its true ,we see and hear what we want to.

I didn't think you would do the math:>

A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 seconds.

1min 33sec = 93 secondsnormal person walks 3.1 miles/hour or 5456 yards/hour or 90.9 yards/min or 1.516 yards/sec

The distance between where Martin was last spotted and Brandy Green's Townhouse was 70 yards

The distance a normal person could walk in 1 min 33 seconds is 141 yards, or twice the distance Martin needed to cover to walk home, all while Zimmerman was still on the phone.

...and that's walking, if he was running away from Zimmerman he would have been home in less than 30 seconds.

thats it...you solved the case!!!!!There is no case, this is a joke, you have shown no "case" to contradict this.watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

This is false, tell me how much time elapses on the recorded call from the point where he says "okay." when his heavy breathing stops and it is evident that he stopped pursuing to the point where he hangs up. How much distance did Martin have to close to get home. How long does it take a normal teenager to jog that distance? How long does it take a normal person to walk that distance?

not evident to me...he sounds distracted after the dispatch says dont do that...ya he says ok but he clearly sounds like hes still looking around...and the fact that he tells the dispatch to have the cops call him when they get there says he wont be at the truck like he agreed ...i guess its true ,we see and hear what we want to.

I didn't think you would do the math:>

A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 seconds.

1min 33sec = 93 seconds

normal person walks 3.1 miles/hour or 5456 yards/hour or 90.9 yards/min or 1.516 yards/sec

The distance between where Martin was last spotted and Brandy Green's Townhouse was 70 yards

The distance a normal person could walk in 1 min 33 seconds is 141 yards, or twice the distance Martin needed to cover to walk home, all while Zimmerman was still on the phone.

...and that's walking, if he was running away from Zimmerman he would have been home in less than 30 seconds.

thats it...you solved the case!!!!!

There is no case, this is a joke, you have shown no "case" to contradict this.

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

the video contradicts the timeline above, and offers evidence explaining why Martin was not already home by the time Zimmerman got off of the phone?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

This is false, tell me how much time elapses on the recorded call from the point where he says "okay." when his heavy breathing stops and it is evident that he stopped pursuing to the point where he hangs up. How much distance did Martin have to close to get home. How long does it take a normal teenager to jog that distance? How long does it take a normal person to walk that distance?

not evident to me...he sounds distracted after the dispatch says dont do that...ya he says ok but he clearly sounds like hes still looking around...and the fact that he tells the dispatch to have the cops call him when they get there says he wont be at the truck like he agreed ...i guess its true ,we see and hear what we want to.

I didn't think you would do the math:>

A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 se

conds.

1min 33sec = 93 seconds

normal person walks 3.1 miles/hour or 5456 yards/hour or 90.9 yards/min or 1.516 yards/sec

The distance between where Martin was last spotted and Brandy Green's Townhouse was 70 yards

The distance a normal person could walk in 1 min 33 seconds is 141 yards, or twice the distance Martin needed to cover to walk home, all while Zimmerman was still on the phone.

...and that's walking, if he was running away from Zimmerman he would have been home in less than 30 seconds.

thats it...you solved the case!!!!!

There is no case, this is a joke, you have shown no "case" to contradict this.

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...periodthe video contradicts the timeline above, and offers evidence explaining why Martin was not already home by the time Zimmerman got off of the phone?AGAIN...its zimmys version of events ONLY...we dont have 2 sides to this story...but you ignore my points about the discrepancies in his story and what we KNOW is fact...but carry on

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

This is false, tell me how much time elapses on the recorded call from the point where he says "okay." when his heavy breathing stops and it is evident that he stopped pursuing to the point where he hangs up. How much distance did Martin have to close to get home. How long does it take a normal teenager to jog that distance? How long does it take a normal person to walk that distance?

not evident to me...he sounds distracted after the dispatch says dont do that...ya he says ok but he clearly sounds like hes still looking around...and the fact that he tells the dispatch to have the cops call him when they get there says he wont be at the truck like he agreed ...i guess its true ,we see and hear what we want to.

I didn't think you would do the math:> <

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A very calm and collected Zimmerman then proceeds to give the dispatcher his own information, directions and a description of his location for another 1 minute and 33 se

conds.

1min 33sec = 93 seconds

normal person walks 3.1 miles/hour or 5456 yards/hour or 90.9 yards/min or 1.516 yards/sec

The distance between where Martin was last spotted and Brandy Green's Townhouse was 70 yards

The distance a normal person could walk in 1 min 33 seconds is 141 yards, or twice the distance Martin needed to cover to walk home, all while Zimmerman was still on the phone.

...and that's walking, if he was running away from Zimmerman he would have been home in less than 30 seconds.

thats it...you solved the case!!!!!

There is no case, this is a joke, you have shown no "case" to contradict this.

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

the video contradicts the timeline above, and offers evidence explaining why Martin was not already home by the time Zimmerman got off of the phone?

AGAIN...its zimmys version of events ONLY...we dont have 2 sides to this story...but you ignore my points about the discrepancies in his story and what we KNOW is fact...but carry on

Isn't there a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding on him?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

AGAIN...its zimmys version of events ONLY...we dont have 2 sides to this story...but you ignore my points about the discrepancies in his story and what we KNOW is fact...but carry on

You are convicting him then based on your assumption of the story Trayvon would tell?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Isn't there a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding on him?

Yes there was But of course he's a liar too

Everyone would prefer clinging to the opinions of Trayvon's parents an lawyer who were not there..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

Please tell me the significance of Trayvon facing down.. How does that mean Zimmerman is lying?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

Please tell me the significance of Trayvon facing down.. How does that mean Zimmerman is lying?

you are annoying...and thats all you are....its all right in front of you yet you ask me over and over to show you ...which i did...obviously you havent bothered to watch the video...thats on you ,i did my part...take care

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:21, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:07, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 28 May 2013 - 11:06, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 10:19, said:

Team Legacy, on 28 May 2013 - 10:12, said:

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

That walk through sounded pretty believable to me, a number of times he said he didn't remember exactly so if you are going to nitpick those things, all the power to you. But until you can come up with a believable scenario, let alone try to offer any evidence supporting your version of what you think happened, this whole trial is going to be a joke.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

watch the video i posted a few posts ago...listen to it and remember where treys body was found and in what position...he is lying straight to the cops faces...heres a hint...treys body was facing down ...face in the dirt...nuff said...zimmy is a bold face liar...period

Please tell me the significance of Trayvon facing down.. How does that mean Zimmerman is lying?

you are annoying...and thats all you are....its all right in front of you yet you ask me over and over to show you ...which i did...obviously you havent bothered to watch the video...thats on you ,i did my part...take care

Of course... I ask you a question about your baseless accusation, which obviously can't be answered to the benefit of your opinion so you insult me...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:21, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:07, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 28 May 2013 - 11:06, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 10:19, said:

Team Legacy, on 28 May 2013 - 10:12, said:

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

That walk through sounded pretty believable to me, a number of times he said he didn't remember exactly so if you are going to nitpick those things, all the power to you. But until you can come up with a believable scenario, let alone try to offer any evidence supporting your version of what you think happened, this whole trial is going to be a joke.

im pretty sure its not a joke to the families involved

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:21, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:07, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 28 May 2013 - 11:06, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 10:19, said:

Team Legacy, on 28 May 2013 - 10:12, said:

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

That walk through sounded pretty believable to me, a number of times he said he didn't remember exactly so if you are going to nitpick those things, all the power to you. But until you can come up with a believable scenario, let alone try to offer any evidence supporting your version of what you think happened, this whole trial is going to be a joke.

im pretty sure its not a joke to the families involved

Feelings and emotions don't win court cases, this never should have went to trial to begin with.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:21, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:07, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 28 May 2013 - 11:06, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 10:19, said:

Team Legacy, on 28 May 2013 - 10:12, said:

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

That walk through sounded pretty believable to me, a number of times he said he didn't remember exactly so if you are going to nitpick those things, all the power to you. But until you can come up with a believable scenario, let alone try to offer any evidence supporting your version of what you think happened, this whole trial is going to be a joke.

im pretty sure its not a joke to the families involved

Feelings and emotions don't win court cases, this never should have went to trial to begin with.

i guess we`ll find out soon enough...when all the evidence is in

 

[Carolina Hustler]

im pretty sure its not a joke to the families involved

It's a terrible tragedy for them. But the pain they have for losing a child does not translate into evidence that Zimmerman did what he did outside of self defense..

 

[Lutherman2112]

live blog of today's updates on the case

 

[Yenrub]

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:21, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 11:07, said:

Carolina Hustler, on 28 May 2013 - 11:06, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 28 May 2013 - 10:19, said:

Team Legacy, on 28 May 2013 - 10:12, said:

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

That walk through sounded pretty believable to me, a number of times he said he didn't remember exactly so if you are going to nitpick those things, all the power to you. But until you can come up with a believable scenario, let alone try to offer any evidence supporting your version of what you think happened, this whole trial is going to be a joke.

im pretty sure its not a joke to the families involved

Feelings and emotions don't win court cases, this never should have went to trial to begin with.

You can't be serious thinking that this case should never go to trial

 

[Statorama]

It's beyond obvious that this guy is innocent so if you own a Florida business you'd better treat the trial aftermath like its a hurricane coming. You know the riots are coming

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's beyond obvious that this guy is innocent so if you own a Florida business you'd better treat the trial aftermath like its a hurricane coming. You know the riots are coming

I hope enough time passes between now and the verdict that this whole case can be an afterthought and we can avoid mass chaos.

The families attorney is doing his best to keep that fire burning though.. If the verdict turns out Innocent, the following riots can be directly attributed to him..

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Hey! Whaddyaknow... some actual news:

During a lightning round of motions Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on various motions -- filed by both George Zimmerman's attorneys and prosecutors -- that could have a huge impact on the trial. On the whole, it wasn't a great day for Zimmerman's defense.Nelson denied the defense's motion to delay the trial, listing all the opportunities she has given the attorneys to set the schedule for the trial.Jury selection will begin as scheduled on June 10.Nelson also ruled that the names of the jurors will be sealed from the public, and the attorneys will refer to them by their assigned numbers.However, Nelson said she would rule at a later date about whether the jury would be sequestered during the trial.The judge also declared that most of information regarding Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds will be barred from the trial.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Hey! Whaddyaknow... some actual news:

During a lightning round of motions Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on various motions -- filed by both George Zimmerman's attorneys and prosecutors -- that could have a huge impact on the trial. On the whole, it wasn't a great day for Zimmerman's defense.Nelson denied the defense's motion to delay the trial, listing all the opportunities she has given the attorneys to set the schedule for the trial.Jury selection will begin as scheduled on June 10.Nelson also ruled that the names of the jurors will be sealed from the public, and the attorneys will refer to them by their assigned numbers.However, Nelson said she would rule at a later date about whether the jury would be sequestered during the trial.The judge also declared that most of information regarding Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds will be barred from the trial.

Live Blog link posted already.So if they cannot present any information from Zimmerman's background what is the prosecution going to present?

 

[kentric]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have ,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

What lies?

his walk thru with the cops is a lie....read the transcripts and then listen to this version...i shouldnt have to point out the discrepancies.

http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o

And thats not including the lies he told the courts about money,he and his wife...rememmmmmberrrrr ???? lol

The positive for Zimmerman is that he says he wasn't sure that he shot Trayvon and that he only shot at him once. I was never a fan of the "You got me" statement supposedly said by Trayvon, but Z indicated he wasn't totally sure what Trayvon said. If he did in fact ask a bystander to help him restrain Trayvon while he was on Trayvon's back, that would support his supposition that he hadn't hit Trayvon. The fact that he only fired one shot and would have the witness support that he needed assistance in restraining Trayvon (he said don't go to call 911, help me restrain this guy), would appear to make it very difficult for the prosecution to prove intent (as they are looking at murder 2 I believe and not just manslaughter).

 

[Lutherman2112]

Hey! Whaddyaknow... some actual news:

During a lightning round of motions Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on various motions -- filed by both George Zimmerman's attorneys and prosecutors -- that could have a huge impact on the trial.

On the whole, it wasn't a great day for Zimmerman's defense.

Nelson denied the defense's motion to delay the trial, listing all the opportunities she has given the attorneys to set the schedule for the trial.

Jury selection will begin as scheduled on June 10.

Nelson also ruled that the names of the jurors will be sealed from the public, and the attorneys will refer to them by their assigned numbers.

However, Nelson said she would rule at a later date about whether the jury would be sequestered during the trial.

The judge also declared that most of information regarding Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds will be barred from the trial.

Live Blog link posted already.So if they cannot present any information from Zimmerman's background what is the prosecution going to present?

Facts and evidence that sway the jury to believe the prosecution proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant did not act in self-defense.

To prove Murder 2, one only needs to show the series of Zimmerman's actions that night were “imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life.”

This might be helpful: Florida Supreme Court Pattern Jury Instruction 7.4

An “act” includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

An act is “imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind” if it is an act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

In order to convict of Second Degree Murder, it is not necessary for the State to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death.

 

[Charlie Frown]

I don't care wither way at this point but as far as "murder" goes:

http://i.imgur.com/t0BKlIk.jpg

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Hey! Whaddyaknow... some actual news:

During a lightning round of motions Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on various motions -- filed by both George Zimmerman's attorneys and prosecutors -- that could have a huge impact on the trial.

On the whole, it wasn't a great day for Zimmerman's defense.

Nelson denied the defense's motion to delay the trial, listing all the opportunities she has given the attorneys to set the schedule for the trial.

Jury selection will begin as scheduled on June 10.

Nelson also ruled that the names of the jurors will be sealed from the public, and the attorneys will refer to them by their assigned numbers.

However, Nelson said she would rule at a later date about whether the jury would be sequestered during the trial.

The judge also declared that most of information regarding Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds will be barred from the trial.

Live Blog link posted already.So if they cannot present any information from Zimmerman's background what is the prosecution going to present?

Facts and evidence that sway the jury to believe the prosecution proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant did not act in self-defense.

To prove Murder 2, one only needs to show the series of Zimmerman's actions that night were “imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life.”

This might be helpful: Florida Supreme Court Pattern Jury Instruction 7.4

>An “act” includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

An act is “imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind” if it is an act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and,,,CHECK - following person with a loaded hand gun

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and...CHECK - states that these punks always get away

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life....CHECK - felt no remorse and was quite indifferent after the shooting (as seen in video at police station)

In order to convict of Second Degree Murder, it is not necessary for the State to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

looks like you guys have this case locked up

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

 

[Lutherman2112]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

using a year old article

 

[timschochet]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:

1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

 

[tdoss]

I just don't understand this case...where is the evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's story?I just haven't seen it...I don't understand why this is even going to trial.Is there some smoking gun (no pun intended) that the prosecution has that I've missed while glossing over this story?

 

[jon_mx]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

I believe from your list only item 3 is legally necessary for self-defense/stand your ground defense.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:

1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

its MY belief that the state will use Zimmys own words against him ,he changed his story a few times which is why the lead detective didnt believe him to begin with

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

So wrong. There is no evidence which contradicts Zimmerman's story, he has the preponderance of the evidence supporting his story (the evidence of his injuries, witness 6 who saw Trayvon beating him, etc)Because he has already easily met the burden of proof for his affirmative defense, they are going to have to come up with some evidence to conclusively contradict his story to convict him, and such evidence simply doesn't exist.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

using a year old article

And in 1 year nothing has changed, there is no new evidence that the prosecution can submit contradicting Zimmerman's story.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

A witness definitely identified Martin being on top of Zimmerman and also said Zimmerman was the one screaming.

The prosecutions main evidence otherwise is the audio expert who claims the voice screaming was Martin. The problem for the prosecution is the FBI's top experts analyzed the same tape and concluded it was impossible to tell who was screaming. There also appears to be a strong debate over whether the techniques the audio expert used are even accurate enough to be used in court. Other experts have concluded it was Zimmerman's voice screaming, so ultimately no real conclusion can be drawn definitively either way and none of it will probably be heard in court.

The judge is going to decide whether the voice identification evidence will be admissible on June 6th.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, he was following him in his car, lost sight of him, got out, couldn't findhim, and was walking back to his car when Trayvon approached him, struck him in the face, mounted him, pummeled him, bashed his head, broke his nose and threatened his life. That is when Zim pulled his piece and shot him. That's the only version we've heard so far and the wounds to Zim, along with the nature of the gun shot wound, appear to support this.

Trayvons aggressive fighting conduct in school(suspensions) along with his drug use has been ruled just now, in-admissable to the jury in opening statements and other wise.

yes ...he was chasing him. He left his car and was running,you can hear him breathing hard on the phone.HIS version of what happened after that is all we have,seeing the other witness is dead. With all due respect i find believing ANYTHING Zimmy says very difficult in light of the lies he`s already been caught in.So you believe what you want and i`ll do the same. I pray that Zimmy gets on the stand to tell his ''story'',that will be what dooms him for sure.I think the defense knows this and thats why they dropped the stand your ground angle,so he WONT have to take the stand.All this stuff about Treys phone has no bearing on this case as hes not here to defend those accusations.

This is false, tell me how much time elapses on the recorded call from the point where he says "okay." when his heavy breathing stops and it is evident that he stopped pursuing to the point where he hangs up. How much distance did Martin have to close to get home. How long does it take a normal teenager to jog that distance? How long does it take a normal person to walk that distance?

not evident to me...he sounds distracted after the dispatch says dont do that...ya he says ok but he clearly sounds like hes still looking around...and the fact that he tells the dispatch to have the cops call him when they get there says he wont be at the truck like he agreed ...i guess its true ,we see and hear what we want to.

Which direction did it sound like he was looking?

And you could make the argument that when he was running, it was to get to the corner of the building in order to keep a visual on Trayvon who had already turned the corner.. That's different then "chasing"

 

[timschochet]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

So wrong. There is no evidence which contradicts Zimmerman's story, he has the preponderance of the evidence supporting his story (the evidence of his injuries, witness 6 who saw Trayvon beating him, etc)Because he has already easily met the burden of proof for his affirmative defense, they are going to have to come up with some evidence to conclusively contradict his story to convict him, and such evidence simply doesn't exist.

You're missing my point. Zimmerman has to testify. When he does, the prosecutions going to nail him. Watch and see.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hey! Whaddyaknow... some actual news:

During a lightning round of motions Tuesday, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on various motions -- filed by both George Zimmerman's attorneys and prosecutors -- that could have a huge impact on the trial.

On the whole, it wasn't a great day for Zimmerman's defense.

Nelson denied the defense's motion to delay the trial, listing all the opportunities she has given the attorneys to set the schedule for the trial.

Jury selection will begin as scheduled on June 10.

Nelson also ruled that the names of the jurors will be sealed from the public, and the attorneys will refer to them by their assigned numbers.

However, Nelson said she would rule at a later date about whether the jury would be sequestered during the trial.

The judge also declared that most of information regarding Martin's and Zimmerman's backgrounds will be barred from the trial.

Live Blog link posted already.So if they cannot present any information from Zimmerman's background what is the prosecution going to present?

Facts and evidence that sway the jury to believe the prosecution proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant did not act in self-defense.

To prove Murder 2, one only needs to show the series of Zimmerman's actions that night were “imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life.”

This might be helpful: Florida Supreme Court Pattern Jury Instruction 7.4

>An “act” includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

An act is “imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind” if it is an act or series of acts that:

1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and

2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent, and

3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

In order to convict of Second Degree Murder, it is not necessary for the State to prove the defendant had an intent to cause death.

1 and 3 aren't even approachable.. No way they could prove either of those.. They could make an argument for #2 but still hard to prove.,.

 

[timschochet]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

I believe from your list only item 3 is legally necessary for self-defense/stand your ground defense.

Doesnt matter. If the jury doesn't buy into 1 and 2 they won't buy into 3.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

using a year old article

What does the age of the article have to do with it? Polygraph results have a shelf life?

 

[timschochet]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

I believe from your list only item 3 is legally necessary for self-defense/stand your ground defense.

^this

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The prosecution themselves have no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims that Martin started the fight.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, grilled a state investigator on the stand.

Dan Gilbreath admitted under oath that prosecutors had many questions about the shooting they could not answer.

"Any evidence that conflicts, eyewitnesses anything, that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?" O'Mara asked.

"As to who threw the first blow? No," Gilbreath responded.

"Do you know who started the fight?"

"Do I know? No."

"Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?"

"No."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418344/george-zimmermans-release-could-be-imminent/In the absence of contradictory evidence we must accept Zimmerman's story. He did voluntarily take and pass a lie detector test, which certainly makes his story look good even if it's not admissible.

Actually no we don't, if by "we" you mean the jury. It would be different if he weren't claiming self-defense. But since he is claiming self-defense, the jury is going to have to be convinced of several aspects of Zimmerman's story, namely that:1. Martin confronted Zimmerman and not the other way around (despite the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin.)

2. Martin started the fight.

3. Zimmerman believed during the fight that his life was in danger, and killed Martin in self-defense.

As I pointed out long, long ago in this thread, most defense attorneys in this situation never have their client testify- they just create enough doubt to acquit. Having an accused murderer testify is very risky because of the cross-examination; that's why it never happens. But it this case it WILL happen, because Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. So when he faces cross-examination, he has to stick to his story and convince the jury of the 3 points. I doubt he will, and that's why I'm fairly sure he will be convicted.

I believe from your list only item 3 is legally necessary for self-defense/stand your ground defense.

Doesnt matter. If the jury doesn't buy into 1 and 2 they won't buy into 3.

They don't have to buy anything.. The prosecution would have to prove those things..

All Zimmerman has to do is prove he was in fear of bodily harm.. There is a witness who places Tryvon on top of Zimmerman.. There is proof..

Then the only other thing the prosecution has is if they can prove that Zimmerman knew Trayvon would be killed as he was on the phone talking to the police, following Trayvon.. Good Luck proving that..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Sherman Ware

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Dude may be a lying piece of trash, but there is zero evidence to convict him. There was a reason charges where not initially pressed. Nothing has changed. It is a crappy case which only went to trial because of political uproar.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Dude may be a lying piece of trash, but there is zero evidence to convict him. There was a reason charges where not initially pressed. Nothing has changed. It is a crappy case which only went to trial because of political uproar.

no charges were filed because he claimed SYG (he still should have had to prove that in court) ....now he isnt...i wonder how that will work out

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Dude may be a lying piece of trash, but there is zero evidence to convict him. There was a reason charges where not initially pressed. Nothing has changed. It is a crappy case which only went to trial because of political uproar.

no charges were filed because he claimed SYG (he still should have had to prove that in court) ....now he isnt...i wonder how that will work out

I thought it was a stupid move not to attempt a pre-trial SYG claim. The only rationale I could see is Zimmerman has diarhea of the mouth, and his council did not want to chance that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Dude may be a lying piece of trash, but there is zero evidence to convict him. There was a reason charges where not initially pressed. Nothing has changed. It is a crappy case which only went to trial because of political uproar.

no charges were filed because he claimed SYG (he still should have had to prove that in court) ....now he isnt...i wonder how that will work out

I thought it was a stupid move not to attempt a pre-trial SYG claim. The only rationale I could see is Zimmerman has diarhea of the mouth, and his council did not want to chance that.

he is 100% his own worst enemy

 

[pantherclub]

Zero evidence? Lol

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm not gonna guarantee conviction because anything can happen. But I'm fairly sure he's going down. Dude is so obviously a lying piece of #### there's no way his story holds up in court.

Dude may be a lying piece of trash, but there is zero evidence to convict him. There was a reason charges where not initially pressed. Nothing has changed. It is a crappy case which only went to trial because of political uproar.

no charges were filed because he claimed SYG (he still should have had to prove that in court) ....now he isnt...i wonder how that will work out

Media claimed SYG

He claimed self defense... Plus there was a witness that saw Trayvon on top of him, lending credence to the self defense claim..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

what an angel

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area "hiding and being suspicious." Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with "WTF" - an acronym for "what the ####." The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book back in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found women's jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a burglary tool," according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family's lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called "irrelevant" and an attempt to demonize a victim.

Trayvon's backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

"Martin replied it's not mine. A friend gave it to me," he responded, according to the report.

I'm sure it was just one big misunderstanding, the screwdriver was probably for shop class where he used it to make the jewelry to be used for his upcoming wedding with his girlfriend. He was so considerate he made extra wedding bands in case she loses one.More details of the cover up

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly.

School Superintendent Alberto Carvalho gave his hire, Police Chief Hurley, instructions to reduce the criminal behavior of young black males. The chosen strategy between them, to insure optical success, was to stop using the Criminal Justice System to punish black student behavior. Instead they instructed the School Resource Officers to use school discipline in place of criminal justice.

...and then you have this incident

In court Tuesday, O'Mara mentioned for the first time new pieces of evidence damaging to Trayvon's reputation: that the teenager had shot video of his buddies beating up a homeless man; that Trayvon had served as referee in another fight; and that he had won one fight after punching his opponent in the nose.

Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton, was at Tuesday's hearing, but her attorneys would not let her answer questions.

Asked about Trayvon shooting video of his friends beating a homeless man, family attorney Darryl Parks said that was irrelevant.

...just your typical teenager, right?