Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

I've given up trying to argue with stupid. Kudos for expending the energy.

i guess we`ll see what`s brought up during the trial

 

[jon_mx]

Did Potential Zimmerman Juror Lie to Court

A potential juror at the George Zimmerman trial who told the court he had little knowledge of the case apparently indicated otherwise on Facebook.

"I CAN tell you THIS. 'Justice'…IS Coming," the juror appeared to write of the Zimmerman case on the Facebook page for the "Coffee Party Progressives," a page with which he was confronted in Judge Debra Nelson's courtroom.

The potential juror, assigned the number E7, who described himself as an "underemployed" musician and painter, told the court that he did not have a lot of knowledge about the case when it first happened.

In February 2012, Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman in Sanford, Fla., shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin after an scuffle in the dark. Zimmerman has said he shot the African-American teen, who he said had been acting "suspiciously," in self-defense.

The shooting triggered a national debate about race, protests, marches, even high school walkouts.

Sixteen months later, Zimmerman faces a charge of second-degree murder.

Susan Constantine, a jury consultant, told ABC News, "This is a very high-profile trial, so who wouldn't want to sit on it? It's one reason we get people who would love to be in the position of being that one juror in the middle of all the limelight they never had before."

When the assistant state attorney, Bernie De La Rionda, first questioned potential juror E7 this morning, he asked whether the prospective juror was exposed to the case in February 2012 or whether he kept up with it. E7 answered, "No."

The potential juror was then asked what else he knew about the Zimmerman case beyond what was listed on his questionnaire.

"Hmm. To be strictly honest, it's hard to remember," the potential juror said.

He was asked whether he used Facebook or posted anything about the Trayvon Martin shooting.

"No. Best to avoid, at times," E7 said, adding he had not formed an opinion on the case.

Moments later, both counsels approached the bench and had a discussion over a piece of paper. Potential juror E7 came back into the courtroom and was handed a piece of paper by Judge Nelson.

The prospective juror confirmed it was his posting and left.An ABC News search of the Facebook page revealed that a person resembling E7 wrote on March 21, 2012, the same date as on the court record, an inflammatory comment in response to a posting about the case touting the site www.justicefortrayvonmartin.com.

Besides vowing that justice was coming, the Facebook comment apparently by the prospective juror alleged a conspiracy involving Zimmerman and local police.

"With the noise WE made…it couldn't be covered up," the commenter said. "I only hope the Feds go farther than just THIS case in investigating This 'Police Force.'…"

That comment subsequently vanished from the Facebook thread.

A spokeswoman for the Seminole County Court, Michelle Kennedy, told ABC News that four jurors were dismissed today. It was not clear if E7 was one of them.

With jury selection underway in the small community of Sanford, Fla., all but one of the potential jurors questioned in court expressed their willingness to be on the jury. One potential juror even said today she was "happy" when she got the summons.

By the end of day three, 25 potential jurors had been questioned in court.

Six jurors will be returning Thursday to be questioned.

Twenty jurors are in the potential pool. Ten more are needed before the court will begin regular voire dire. A total of 75 jurors have been dismissed.

"There was a posting on Facebook from March 21 under Coffee Party Progressives," Nelson said. "Is that your writing?"

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IMHO, the only way Zimmerman will get convicted is if the jury is loaded with people who have predetermined Zimmerman is guilty. This juror reminds me of several posters in this thread.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

Hey Blood Splatter, where was the dna and fingerprints on Zimmerman's gun if there was a struggle for it for over a minute while only Martin was screaming?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

Hey Blood Splatter, where was the dna and fingerprints on Zimmerman's gun if there was a struggle for it for over a minute while only Martin was screaming?

Hey long and hard....he wasnt screaming for over a minute

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

Hey Blood Splatter, where was the dna and fingerprints on Zimmerman's gun if there was a struggle for it for over a minute while only Martin was screaming?

Hey long and hard....he wasnt screaming for over a minute

7:13:41 - Zimmerman's Call with dispatch ends7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[17]7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[18]

45 seconds verified via 911 calls, and 3 minutes and 14 seconds unaccounted for, any reasonable person would assume it is between 45 seconds and 3 minutes and 14 seconds.Given the reaction time for the first caller to begin to hear the screams for help, realize this wasn't some random event, get to their phone, dial 911, and have 911 pickup it is not unreasonable to assume the screams were going on for at least a minute. Typically when someone hears a scream they don't immediately think to call 911, they wait to see if it continues, alerting them that this is a real problem.To steal a line from you, "I guess we'll see what the witness has to say at trial as to how long the screams were going on before he/she called 911."Even at 45 seconds, that would have to be the longest struggle for a gun in the history of gun struggling, even movies are not able to drag it out that long.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

What makes you believe this?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

What makes you believe this?

All of the evidence that supports Blood Splatter's story.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

Have you listened to the audio? I find it odd that you describe that as "high pitched screaming"..

 

[kentric]

I have to agree with JoJo here. Do you really think that Martin and Z were fighting over the gun for the full duration of the screaming match. Even if you assume the first yell for help was recorded on the 911 call, there's no way they're fighting that long over the gun.

 

[Yenrub]

homeless man video

What was this video supposed to be showing us?

What did you see?

Looked like two guys wrestling and neither of them very good at it

 

[Johnnymac]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood?Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The Judge just announced that the jury will be sequestered for the duration of the trial.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood?Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood?

And what if Martin was rushing home because his brother was having an allergic reaction and he was the one carrying the epipen!!!???This is actually kinda fun.

As usual, refuse to answer the question.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

I dont care what you say....i believe that Martin was both trying to not get shot by doing whatever he could physically AND screaming for someone to help him disarm zimmy...its not like he could turn and run....only superman could out run a bullet.

Hey Blood Splatter, where was the dna and fingerprints on Zimmerman's gun if there was a struggle for it for over a minute while only Martin was screaming?

Hey long and hard....he wasnt screaming for over a minute

7:13:41 - Zimmerman's Call with dispatch ends7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[17]7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[18]

45 seconds verified via 911 calls, and 3 minutes and 14 seconds unaccounted for, any reasonable person would assume it is between 45 seconds and 3 minutes and 14 seconds.Given the reaction time for the first caller to begin to hear the screams for help, realize this wasn't some random event, get to their phone, dial 911, and have 911 pickup it is not unreasonable to assume the screams were going on for at least a minute. Typically when someone hears a scream they don't immediately think to call 911, they wait to see if it continues, alerting them that this is a real problem.To steal a line from you, "I guess we'll see what the witness has to say at trial as to how long the screams were going on before he/she called 911."Even at 45 seconds, that would have to be the longest struggle for a gun in the history of gun struggling, even movies are not able to drag it out that long.

Adding:Zimmerman said he started screaming for help the moment Martin broke his nose, which in the Hannity interview he said happened with Martin's first punch.Hannity interview added as evidence

 

[greenroom]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

 

[pantherclub]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.

Good lord dude

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.

Good lord dude

Why is it so difficult for you to understand my line of reasoning? What's the difference between how Zimmerman handled it and how a cop/off-duty cop/ex-cop/retired cop would have.

 

[greenroom]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

Since I am not a police office trained, I would fall under the wannabe cop. But since you are an expert in this how about you provide the example. And we know that Zimmerman words are gospel for you.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:

What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.

Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

Since I am not a police office trained, I would fall under the wannabe cop. But since you are an expert in this how about you provide the example. And we know that Zimmerman words are gospel for you.

You want me to provide an example of what? I'm on record saying they would not have handled it any differently. God you kill-da-zimmys are thick in the skull.What you just admitted to is you don't know what the difference would be since you are not a trained cop. Yet that contradicts your answers you bolded above saying they would handle it differently since cops are trained.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

A cop would have identified himself as such and instead of reaching for his bat phone he would have pulled out a badge. If it was a retired cop he probably would have listened to the dispatch and never left his car. Why wouldnt zimmy just drive around the building and wait for trey to walk out the other side? that way he would have stayed dry...safe and the cops would have shown up and all this would have never happened...shoulda coulda woulda

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

A cop would have identified himself as such and instead of reaching for his bat phone he would have pulled out a badge. If it was a retired cop he probably would have listened to the dispatch and never left his car. Why wouldnt zimmy just drive around the building and wait for trey to walk out the other side? that way he would have stayed dry...safe and the cops would have shown up and all this would have never happened...shoulda coulda woulda

Off duty cops don't need to identify themselves, neither do retired cops. At what point between "Do you have a problem?" and getting a broken nose does a retired cop identify himself?

 

[pantherclub]

You probably are missing a chromosome if you think an off duty officer would have done the exact thing as Zimmerman. That's up there with your pcp theory.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

You probably are missing a chromosome if you think an off duty officer would have done the exact thing as Zimmerman. That's up there with your pcp theory.

And yet it is so obvious you cannot explain it, all you can do is show up and insult people.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

A cop would have identified himself as such and instead of reaching for his bat phone he would have pulled out a badge. If it was a retired cop he probably would have listened to the dispatch and never left his car. Why wouldnt zimmy just drive around the building and wait for trey to walk out the other side? that way he would have stayed dry...safe and the cops would have shown up and all this would have never happened...shoulda coulda woulda

Off duty cops don't need to identify themselves, neither do retired cops. At what point between "Do you have a problem?" and getting a broken nose does a retired cop identify himself?

really???? if YOU say so hahahaha....wow...you have an answer for EVERYTHING....amazing

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

A cop would have identified himself as such and instead of reaching for his bat phone he would have pulled out a badge. If it was a retired cop he probably would have listened to the dispatch and never left his car. Why wouldnt zimmy just drive around the building and wait for trey to walk out the other side? that way he would have stayed dry...safe and the cops would have shown up and all this would have never happened...shoulda coulda woulda

Off duty cops don't need to identify themselves, neither do retired cops. At what point between "Do you have a problem?" and getting a broken nose does a retired cop identify himself?

really???? if YOU say so hahahaha....wow...you have an answer for EVERYTHING....amazing

Point to a law that contradicts what I said.

 

[Lutherman2112]

The crazy is strong with this one.

Can't wait to witness the epic meltdown when Zimmerman is found guilty.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Day 4 update

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

So the law states he has to identify himself when someone asks them if they have a problem? What law would an off duty cop being enforcing in this circumstance?I look forward to the prosecution using this line of questioning, aside from the crowd in this thread I have not heard one officer or other expert ask Zimmerman why he never identified himself as an off-duty neighborhood watch volunteer during the few seconds he had before getting a broken nose. Maybe you guys think he should have yelled it across the complex, "HEY YOU! I'M IDENTIFYING MYSELF AS AN OFF DUTY NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH VOLUNTEER. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS?"

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

So the law states he has to identify himself when someone asks them if they have a problem? What law would an off duty cop being enforcing in this circumstance?

You're a moron.At this point a real officer and non-wannabe would say, "I'm officer Zimmeran from blah blah." I observed you look at people's windows around here. We've had some break-ins recently and wanted to make sure everything was okay."Martin would've reaponded with, " yeah man. I'm just heading home to my place from 7-11 with some skittles."Officer Zimmeran," Which address is that?"Martin," 1124 PCP baking rd."Officer," we'll have a good night!"See that wasnt so difficult? Officer Zimmeran would've saved the day and Martin would still be alive.

Wow.So you wouldn't have called it in first? At no point did Zimmerman have an opportunity to do so, he was asked 1 question by Martin and then before he could say more than 1 word he received a broken nose by way of Martin's fist.

 

[greenroom]

I think the major point here is that GZ should not have been there to begin with. He's a wannabe cop that got involved in something that he should not have been involved with.

What if Zimmerman was an off duty cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is. Even better:

What if Zimmerman was a retired cop that lived in the neighborhood? He would of been trained and had more experienced to handle the situation better than a wannabe cop is.

Answered and in both cases we would not be talking about how it went down.

Give an example.According to Zimmerman, he got off his phone, was walking back to his truck and was approached by Martin who asked him if he had a problem. Zimmerman responded saying he didn't have a problem as he went to reach for his phone in his pants pocket, at that point Martin was within arms reach and punched him in the nose, breaking his nose.

Explain to me this magical training that would have changed the situation.

Since I am not a police office trained, I would fall under the wannabe cop. But since you are an expert in this how about you provide the example. And we know that Zimmerman words are gospel for you.

You want me to provide an example of what? I'm on record saying they would not have handled it any differently. God you kill-da-zimmys are thick in the skull.What you just admitted to is you don't know what the difference would be since you are not a trained cop. Yet that contradicts your answers you bolded above saying they would handle it differently since cops are trained.

No I admitted that since I am not a trained police officer, I cannot say how they would handle it. But I can say as a wannabe cop, unlike Zimmerman I would of waited in the car and waited for backup. But as you have made it very clear you have no problem with killing another human.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

So the law states he has to identify himself when someone asks them if they have a problem? What law would an off duty cop being enforcing in this circumstance?

You're a moron.At this point a real officer and non-wannabe would say, "I'm officer Zimmeran from blah blah." I observed you look at people's windows around here. We've had some break-ins recently and wanted to make sure everything was okay."Martin would've reaponded with, " yeah man. I'm just heading home to my place from 7-11 with some skittles."Officer Zimmeran," Which address is that?"Martin," 1124 PCP baking rd."Officer," we'll have a good night!"See that wasnt so difficult? Officer Zimmeran would've saved the day and Martin would still be alive.

 

[BroadwayG]

Next can you guys argue about what the dialogue and actions would have been if one was a semi-professional wrestler and the other was an out of work circus clown?

 

[greenroom]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

So the law states he has to identify himself when someone asks them if they have a problem? What law would an off duty cop being enforcing in this circumstance?

You're a moron.At this point a real officer and non-wannabe would say, "I'm officer Zimmeran from blah blah." I observed you look at people's windows around here. We've had some break-ins recently and wanted to make sure everything was okay."Martin would've reaponded with, " yeah man. I'm just heading home to my place from 7-11 with some skittles."Officer Zimmeran," Which address is that?"Martin," 1124 PCP baking rd."Officer," we'll have a good night!"See that wasnt so difficult? Officer Zimmeran would've saved the day and Martin would still be alive.

Wow.So you wouldn't have called it in first? At no point did Zimmerman have an opportunity to do so, he was asked 1 question by Martin and then before he could say more than 1 word he received a broken nose by way of Martin's fist.

Umm he had already called it in and was told to wait. But lets ignore that fact. And please provide the link to where Martin broke his nose after one word.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Next can you guys argue about what the dialogue and actions would have been if one was a semi-professional wrestler and the other was an out of work circus clown?

What are you a wannabe-mod?Maybe we should argue about what would have happened if Martin walked home instead of waiting for Zimmerman to get off of his phone call so he could confront him?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

Look it up again. It's generally a requirement from the department they work for.

JO JO the clown. Now he has trey looking in windows lmao.....its one thing to say ''i believe '' this is what happened. Nobody,not even zimmy ever said he was looking in windows or casing the hood....just stop.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

I really hope the prosecution runs with this line of thinking...to completely discredit them.So in your version of what happened, Zimmerman is getting the snot kicked out of him and you think he doesn't bother to yell for help? ...and that all of the screams heard on 911 calls and by neighbors must have been Martin since he clearly thought he was in danger? ...and to take it one step further, maybe you think Zimmerman couldn't scream since Martin was suffocating him, Martin had his hand over his mouth so he couldn't scream, SO THAT Martin could scream instead? Think about that long and hard.

Laughably stupid reply. I offered no version or beliefs as to an actual scenario of what happened that night.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

Look it up again. It's generally a requirement from the department they work for.

JO JO the clown. Now he has trey looking in windows lmao.....its one thing to say ''i believe '' this is what happened. Nobody,not even zimmy ever said he was looking in windows or casing the hood....just stop.

You obviously did not watch the Hannity interview which is now entered into evidence.If I had a dollar for every time you were wrong in this thread I'd be a rich man.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

Look it up again. It's generally a requirement from the department they work for.

JO JO the clown. Now he has trey looking in windows lmao.....its one thing to say ''i believe '' this is what happened. Nobody,not even zimmy ever said he was looking in windows or casing the hood....just stop.

You obviously did not watch the Hannity interview which is now entered into evidence.If I had a dollar for every time you were wrong in this thread I'd be a rich man.

show me where on the 911 call he said trey was looking in windows....not some interview months later where he just says whatever helps his case AFTER the fact.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

Look it up again. It's generally a requirement from the department they work for.

JO JO the clown. Now he has trey looking in windows lmao.....its one thing to say ''i believe '' this is what happened. Nobody,not even zimmy ever said he was looking in windows or casing the hood....just stop.

You obviously did not watch the Hannity interview which is now entered into evidence.If I had a dollar for every time you were wrong in this thread I'd be a rich man.

show me where on the 911 call he said trey was looking in windows....not some interview months later where he just says whatever helps his case AFTER the fact.

Move the goal posts much?Here you go:

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department.

Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. JoJo: Probably just smoked a blunt after restocking on Lean!!11!

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring...

Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…

Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

Dispatcher: OK…

 

[pantherclub]

jojo just went off the rails

 

[Slapdash]

This thread is epic

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Let's see, screaming stops when the gun fires: 1. The guy screaming on top kicking the guy's ### was screaming for some illogical reason was shot and was dead and could not scream no more.2. The screaming guy getting his ### kicked killed the guy kicking his ### and now had no reason to scream. Yeah, really ####### coincidental that the screaming stopped.

Why is it illogical for Martin to be screaming for help? Even if he is stronger, the better fighter, and in the process of busting Zimmerman's head open that doesn't mean he is not acting out of concern for his (and my extension his sibling's) safety. Even if he starts the fight and mutters the words attributed to him I don't see anything other than "fight" when you were unsuccessful at "fleeing". Why, despite otherwise believing Zimmerman's account is wanting someone to help get you out of this mess unlikely for Martin?I don't know who had that high pitch scream and was screaming. However, I also don't see how it matters to Zimmerman's defense.Assuming for sake of argument it was Martin screaming - Was the coward that sees trouble every where he looks scared for his life while Martin was simultaneously screaming for help and getting the better of him in a fight?

Have you listened to the audio? I find it odd that you describe that as "high pitched screaming"..

Yes I have. However, my representation above should have been familiar to you"The very high-pitched, very loud screams, that's all we could find screaming. Those were not George," said Reich

Since my point is that I don't see why it matters too much if it was Martin or Zimmerman screaming and so for most of the post I "assumed it was Martin" for sake of argument using that characterization.Personally - It is not preteen girls in a pool high pitched, but it is a high pitch scream to my admittedly non expert ears. It is certainly higher pitched than the normal voice that Zimmerman has used, but that doesn't need to mean anything. And I don't think I have heard Martin's voice.But again you guys should be saying "exactly" to my point. That even if it was Martin screaming for help and Zimmerman's screams were muffled or even non existent it doesn't matter to whether one could believe that Zimmerman thought he was in danger.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Oh and it took about 5 seconds of googling to find that an off-duty cop may enforce all laws as long as he announces himself as such. The act of being "on duty" is merely a formality.

ETA: Generally cops "off-duty" don't get involved in minor issues because of liability issues. Ie. Minor accidents and will generally call in an on-duty officer to handle these situations.

Yeah off-duty officers love it when strangers are walking in their gated community between condos looking in windows in the rain like they are casing the joint. They welcome neighborhood crime.

Now you're just making a fool of yourself. You asked if off-duty cops had to announce themselves. I said yes. If an off duty cop saw someone casing a joint I'm sure they'd call it in. I doubt they would follow them without backup knowing that as long as he had a general idea which direction the guy was heading he'd have a better chance of catching them by waiting for backup.

You were wrong. There is no law that states an off duty cop needs to identify himself to a stranger.

Look it up again. It's generally a requirement from the department they work for.

JO JO the clown. Now he has trey looking in windows lmao.....its one thing to say ''i believe '' this is what happened. Nobody,not even zimmy ever said he was looking in windows or casing the hood....just stop.

You obviously did not watch the Hannity interview which is now entered into evidence.If I had a dollar for every time you were wrong in this thread I'd be a rich man.

show me where on the 911 call he said trey was looking in windows....not some interview months later where he just says whatever helps his case AFTER the fact.

Move the goal posts much?Here you go:

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department.

Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. JoJo: Probably just smoked a blunt after restocking on Lean!!11!

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring...

Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…

Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

Dispatcher: OK…