Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (1 Viewer)

[Statorama]

The lesson we should take from all this is that if you think someone is following you, don't break his nose and throw him to the ground and bang his head on the concrete. Call the police and tell them you think someone is following you. If TM would have done that he'd still be alive today.

Let the law enforcement officers do their jobs.

TM: "Hey 911, yeah, I think someone is following me"

911 Operator: "He's this idiot I have on the other line, hang on I'll have a squad there in 2 minutes. I'll tell him a squad car is coming and he'll be satiated by that. We'll let the cops figure out what's what"

 

[TPW]

I would also like to add I hope if Mr. Zimmerman wins any civil cases against NBC, CNN, et al. they are required to openly, publicly, and repeatedly admit to serial lying.

There are too many people who are otherwise intelligent who have been inoculated against reality by depending on politically driven shysters for information.

 

[Steve Tasker]

So when can we expect Zimmerman's book? Maybe wait a few years?

He is going to cash in on this thing, big time.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

 

[Doubtingthomas]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

Can we do away with this is well? This wasn't a Stand Your Ground case. It was a self-defense case. Every state recognizes a person's right to defend himself.

Some more so than others. Some states you must give your attacker a chance to kill you while you retreat before you can defend yourself. I think that's where people want all states to go. No vigilantism and Wild West in the 21rst century.

Wat?

It's basic sportsmanship really.

Wait till a vein is opened then you can defend yourself, just make sure that it is a major vein.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Has anyone heard a black pundit on the news talk favorably about this verdict?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

Ha. Apparantly The Commish needs more guys to help him wade through his own BS. Par for the course.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

 

[Rayderr]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

Well, that's true. Of course, they didn't have much to work with in the first place.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

Ha. Apparantly The Commish needs more guys to help him wade through his own BS. Par for the course.

I commend him for being able to come into this thread, join the discussion with no dog in the fight and remain completely unbiased.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Has anyone heard a black pundit on the news talk favorably about this verdict?

There was a young, light skinned black woman on HLN I think. But she was a conservative, so she doesn't count..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

Well, that's true. Of course, they didn't have much to work with in the first place.

I think the prosecution did a great job in presenting what little they had.. It was a loser case for them, and they at least made it interesting..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

Can we do away with this is well? This wasn't a Stand Your Ground case. It was a self-defense case. Every state recognizes a person's right to defend himself.

Some more so than others. Some states you must give your attacker a chance to kill you while you retreat before you can defend yourself. I think that's where people want all states to go. No vigilantism and Wild West in the 21rst century.

Wat?

It's basic sportsmanship really.

Wait till a vein is opened then you can defend yourself, just make sure that it is a major vein.

No, you're supposed to wait til you're unconscious..

 

[avoiding injuries]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

Well, that's true. Of course, they didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Are you crazy? They withheld evidence as long as they could, surprised the defense multiple times (including the murder 3 charge in an email the morning of the last day) and fired someone who spilled some of their secrets about withholding evidence. What more could they have done with the facts they were given?

Could you imagine the outcry if the scenarios were reversed and the defense didn't do everything in a respectable manner. Man oh man...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

Ha. Apparantly The Commish needs more guys to help him wade through his own BS. Par for the course.

I commend him for being able to come into this thread, join the discussion with no dog in the fight and remain completely unbiased.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

Ha. Apparantly The Commish needs more guys to help him wade through his own BS. Par for the course.

I commend him for being able to come into this thread, join the discussion with no dog in the fight and remain completely unbiased.

I find that The Commish, overall, brings a fair and balanced approach to EVERY thread he posts in. The dude is literally bias-free.

 

[Rayderr]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

Well, that's true. Of course, they didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Are you crazy? They withheld evidence as long as they could, surprised the defense multiple times (including the murder 3 charge in an email the morning of the last day) and fired someone who spilled some of their secrets about withholding evidence. What more could they have done with the facts they were given?

Could you imagine the outcry if the scenarios were reversed and the defense didn't do everything in a respectable manner. Man oh man...

So are you disagreeing with me that they did a horrible job or that they didn't have much to work with?

 

[Mario Kart]

What this case, sadly, has proven among the masses is that American citizens do not know basic law. Hell, even media people who know more about the law than a common person don't know, or refuse to acknowledge, basic law for Americans.

Seeing this play out, no matter our politics are "screwed" up. If the electorate can't even tie their shoes, the people in places of power have it made.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Excuses from the "Zimmerman is guilty" crowd:

- Racism

- Prosecution did a horrible job

- Laws in Florida (Stand your ground)

Anything else?

Well, that's true. Of course, they didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Are you crazy? They withheld evidence as long as they could, surprised the defense multiple times (including the murder 3 charge in an email the morning of the last day) and fired someone who spilled some of their secrets about withholding evidence. What more could they have done with the facts they were given?

Could you imagine the outcry if the scenarios were reversed and the defense didn't do everything in a respectable manner. Man oh man...

So are you disagreeing with me that they did a horrible job or that they didn't have much to work with?

No, I was being sarcastic. We agree.

I was also pointing out that if the defense had pulled any shenanigans even close to what the prosecution did, the media and TM supporters would literally have their heads explode.

 

[jonessed]

CNN still going strong. They just showed results from a poll they took from their viewers after the closing arguments, guilty or not guilty.

Guilty- 66%

Not Guilty-33%

That's only because they were in the unfortunate position of watching CNN for their trial coverage.

 

[kface]

It's a sad day for the evolution of the species

 

[Mario Kart]

CNN still going strong. They just showed results from a poll they took from their viewers after the closing arguments, guilty or not guilty.

Guilty- 66%

Not Guilty-33%

That's only because they were in the unfortunate position of watching CNN for their trial coverage.

Not noted in the above poll is the number of votes cast. There were three votes total.

 

[jonessed]

So no riots despite the media trying to incite one?

Some small issues in Oakland. Small treet fires, broken business windows and this:

Protesters also reportedly burned an American and a California state flag and spray painted Alameda County's Davidson courthouse.

http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57593649&feed_id=1&videofeed=null

The police were already downtown and ready to quickly quash anything in most big cities. Credit to them for not letting anything serious get started.

 

[avoiding injuries]

CNN still going strong. They just showed results from a poll they took from their viewers after the closing arguments, guilty or not guilty.

Guilty- 66%

Not Guilty-33%

That's only because they were in the unfortunate position of watching CNN for their trial coverage.

Not noted in the above poll is the number of votes cast. There were three votes total.

And Sunny Hostin voted twice.

 

[squistion]

Shouldn't this thread be shut down now?

No, let's keep it open so the bigots hopefully will continue to collect in one place and spend countless hours making posts the rest of us can ignore if we wish to.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Shouldn't this thread be shut down now?

No, let's keep it open so the bigots hopefully will continue to collect in one place and spend countless hours making posts the rest of us can ignore if we wish to.

I agree. Although relatively not talked about, the discrimination of Hispanics has become a real issue.

 

[DiStefano]

This is what Wikipedia says about "Show Trials" (famous in the 1930's by the Soviets, and later by the Maoists in China).

"The term show trial is a pejorative description of a type of highly public trial in which there is a strong connotation that the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant. The actual trial has as its only goal to present the accusation and the verdict to the public as an impressive example and as a warning to other would-be dissidents or transgressors. Show trials tend to be retributive rather than correctional justice and also conducted for propagandistic purposes."

This one comes pretty close. The media and government decided that the trial fit their narrative of racism in America, and that Martin was killed because he was black. The evidence didn't support that, but what the heck? Zimmerman must have been guilty, because the US is a racist society. They weren't able to bully the courts to go along.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

CNN still going strong. They just showed results from a poll they took from their viewers after the closing arguments, guilty or not guilty.

Guilty- 66%

Not Guilty-33%

That's only because they were in the unfortunate position of watching CNN for their trial coverage.

If they had watched 200 hours of the trial they wouldn't have been so ignorant.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

 

[avoiding injuries]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

The discussions would have centered around emotions and not the facts of the case. Similar to HLN and MSNBC.

 

[3C's]

CNN still going strong. They just showed results from a poll they took from their viewers after the closing arguments, guilty or not guilty.

Guilty- 66%

Not Guilty-33%

That's only because they were in the unfortunate position of watching CNN for their trial coverage.

Why do you idiots keep saying this? Did you even watch the CNN coverage? Most of the pundits/analysts/lawyers they had on in their nightly coverage said over and over the defense won that day. Very seldom did they side with the prosecution.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

It's funny how people bring up Chicago violence. What does that have to do with anything?

My point was that black life is not valued in America and it never has. Where's the justice for Emitt Till? The Scottsboro Boys? Hundreds of black men who were lynched for basically no reason? The 14 year old boy who was executed for being falsely accused of rape by a white woman?

Had this been a blond-haired, blue-eyed white girl this thread would have been entirely different. And ALL of you know it.

Why do Hispanics not value Black youth?

What does a blond-haired, blue eyed white girl have to do with anything about this trial?

Ignorance is bliss, enjoy your weekend.

 

[squistion]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

The discussions would have centered around emotions and not the facts of the case. Similar to HLN and MSNBC.

Yes, if those networks only could have been as unbiased in their coverage as FOX.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Had this been a blond-haired, blue-eyed white girl this thread would have been entirely different. And ALL of you know it.

Yep. Pretty white woman syndrome

I don't think a jury would have bought her starting the fight or getting the upper-hand. Easy manslaughter conviction.

####### racist jury.

So you agree that the thread would have been entirely different.

 

[jonessed]

Had this been a blond-haired, blue-eyed white girl this thread would have been entirely different. And ALL of you know it.

Yep. Pretty white woman syndrome

I don't think a jury would have bought her starting the fight or getting the upper-hand. Easy manslaughter conviction.####### racist jury.

So you agree that the thread would have been entirely different.

Definitely.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

20-something black guy in a hoodie follows a blonde/blue eyed girl around in the dark. Confronts her and asks, "what are you doing here." She ends up dead after drawing a gun on the guy. No one sees anything after her drawing the gun.

Does the black guy beat the rap?

 

[avoiding injuries]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

The discussions would have centered around emotions and not the facts of the case. Similar to HLN and MSNBC.

Yes, if those networks only could have been as unbiased in their coverage as FOX.

To be fair, Fox didn't have much coverage on this trial (or as much). They are firmly focused on Benghazi, the IRS and Snowden. However, had their opinions differed from the networks above, they would have been correct and not in a complete state of shock this morning.

CNN did a fair a job of the coverage. You don't always have to use Fox to counter what a sham some other networks are.

 

[bosoxs45]

I thought Lifetime's coverage of the trial was superb.

 

[Rayderr]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

Are you equally concerned that there were no men, no asians, no native americans, no arabs, no indians, pacific islanders and no eskimos on the jury?

 

[avoiding injuries]

I thought Lifetime's coverage of the trial was superb.

Their coverage doesn't start for another couple of weeks. Jennifer Love Hewitt just got casted as Juror #6.

 

[The Commish]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

Can we do away with this is well? This wasn't a Stand Your Ground case. It was a self-defense case. Every state recognizes a person's right to defend himself.

Do away with what? I didn't say it was a stand your ground case and understood it wasn't despite trying to be told over and over it was. I also understand every state recognizes a person's right to defend themselves. That right is a lot more "liberal" in some states than others. If you don't think Florida is on the liberal side we'll agree to disagree. I'd like to hear your argument as to why it's not any more/less liberal than any other state though.

 

[Rayderr]

I thought Lifetime's coverage of the trial was superb.

I'm pretty sure their coverage was something along the lines of "6 women held captive and forced to listen to men speak for days."

 

[3C's]

I thought Lifetime's coverage of the trial was superb.

Their coverage doesn't start for another couple of weeks. Jennifer Love Hewitt just got casted as Juror #6.

Must see TV.

 

[RBM]

how were there no blacks on that jury...id be curious how that would have effected the discussions behind closed doors

Good move not having any blacks or Hispanics. Whites were the only chance of getting an impartial decision since there was not a white guy involved.

And they got it right.

 

[otello]

Any thoughts on what Obama will say about this verdict?

 

[The Commish]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

In my state it takes more than just the simple claim of it being "self defense". That's essentially the "burden" the defense has in FL.

 

[Christo]

20-something black guy in a hoodie follows a blonde/blue eyed girl around in the dark. Confronts her and asks, "what are you doing here." She ends up dead after drawing a gun on the guy. No one sees anything after her drawing the gun.

Does the black guy beat the rap?

Make a few changes and that could be the script for some interracial porn.

 

[Christo]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

In my state it takes more than just the simple claim of it being "self defense". That's essentially the "burden" the defense has in FL.

You're going to have to provide a link before I believe you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

20-something black guy in a hoodie follows a blonde/blue eyed girl around in the dark. Confronts her and asks, "what are you doing here." She ends up dead after drawing a gun on the guy. No one sees anything after her drawing the gun.

Does the black guy beat the rap?

Do you work for MSNBC?

 

[Courtjester]

Any thoughts on what Obama will say about this verdict?

Hopefully nothing, but what is concerning is the call to have the DOJ step in and charge Zim.

Martin's family wanted an arrest and their day in court. They got that. They didn't like the results, so let's have him arrested again and do this again in another forum is what is being called for.