CurlyNight
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Protest in SF- peaceful
Protest in Oakland- property damage including a police car
Protest in Oakland- property damage including a police car
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tommyboy
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
CurlyNight
Footballguy
GZ's bro needs to shut it. Saying GZ was not responsible for TM's death is not helping and is hurting his bro and fam. He pulled the trigger so he is technically responsible. He is not guilty because prosecutors couldn't prove w/out a doubt, doesn't mean he is innocent.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I believe the point of carrying a gun is so that you don't get your ### beat in a fight.
Whether that's right or wrong, it's another good reason to avoid fist fights altogether. And if you see the gun come out, that's generally a good time to stop the fist fight.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
I watched most of the trial (mediate.com no network crap involved) and you are just plain wrong. All the evidence backed up Zimmerman. The only eyewitness backed up Zimmerman, the cops backed up Zimmerman, the 911 call Zimmerman made back up Zimmerman trying to get an address.
You are just totally wrong, the jurors did not get the MSNBC, HLN, CNN or FOX version, they got the evidence and ruled on it, period. Your biases are irrelevant to the trial.
identikit
Footballguy
Seriously, do you EVER get tired of just posting from a position of total ignorance?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit
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timschochet
Footballguy
You know, last night in this thread I listed a bunch of people who I had fun arguing with in this thread during the last year, and I wished them all well. You were not included on that list. There's a reason for that.
It takes two to fight imo.In retrospect, the correct thing for Martin to do was to walk away from Zimmerman and simply go home.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Did he first call the police to report her? Was the gun registered to her? Is it his neighborhood and she was aimlessly wandering around at night in the rain? Is there zero prior connection between the two and literally zero evidence that he had any motive other than self defense? Is the death caused by a singular blow or was it several repeated strikes?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
One underrated aspect of this thread is that it mitigates tim's presence in other threads.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
More importantly, was the blonde/blue eyed girl hot and sport a nice set of lungs?
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, started well before the trial. I strongly doubt he'll pursue it. If he does, I predict he will lose easily. I'm willing to put money on it, if anyone's interested.
timschochet
Footballguy
One underrated aspect of this thread is that it mitigates tim's presence in other threads.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And I'm sure when someone inevitably guns down Zimmerman I'm sure you'll exalt that as justice and the person as a hero.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Joe McGee
Footballguy
I predict it's settled out of court. Whichever one of us loses has to stop posting forever and agree to be banned. Willing to take that bet with me, Tim?
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
This case was doomed from the start for the prosecution. The case was overcharged..had it been a hispanic shooting a hispanic it may not even have gone to a jury trial. That being said from start it should have went to trial as manslaughter..then concentrate on getting an involuntary manslaughter conviction...which probably would have been successful..Z would have most likely would have agreed to a plea bargain of involuntary manslaughter.
Case would have been over fast and everybody would have a little piece of the pie.
Case would have been over fast and everybody would have a little piece of the pie.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So the tape they selectively edited to make him seem racist that fanned the flames to begin with means nothing to you?
ArbyMelt
Footballguy
Surprised this case didn't get national attention, sounds like a SYG case in Florida
http://www.policymic.com/articles/54339/black-17-and-shot-dead-in-florida-why-isn-t-jordan-davis-getting-the-attention-travyon-martin-is
http://www.policymic.com/articles/54339/black-17-and-shot-dead-in-florida-why-isn-t-jordan-davis-getting-the-attention-travyon-martin-is
financewonk
Footballguy
You know, there's a lot of people who think that what GZ did was morally wrong, and there's a lot of folks who think what he did was morally ambiguous. However, you're the only person that I've seen claim that what he did was morally good.
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ArbyMelt
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I think they will definitely pursue it and there will be a settlement before it goes to court. NBC does not want the negative media attention from this case. They've already admitted guilt, so I believe GZ has a very strong case for punitive damages.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I was wrong about the riots.
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
There are millions of people that think and applaud people that defend themselves against attack. About 50,000,000 or more.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
NBC fired 3 or 4 over it. Hard to believe that something like that would get "laughed out of court."
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
1. X....I am pretty sure Alan made the right call. It will be interesting to see the jury's opinion.
2. X....He will settle for some undisclosed $$ and an appology
3. X....He will get immunity.
4. X ....I only predicted some opportunist looting a few stores. Not sure who was on record for widespread riots. It was less than I expected though.
timschochet
Footballguy
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
not if the guy you mount is armed with a gun and you know if you dont knock him out he will shoot you...that gun was in play during the struggle IMO
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
It's pretty clear from what I've read in this thread that he's a doosh of the highest order here.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
mr 2 cents is a real piece of work....thank god hes the minority and not the majority
jonessed
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
You don't know jack about concealed carry do you? The major point is concealed. it was dark, he had an inside the waistband holster, he had a jacket on. Yes at some point Martin may have seen it, but to think he cold cocked him and was beating him from MMA style because he saw a gun early is a total fabrication and based in ignorance.
jonessed
Footballguy
That would require a contrary position. You wanted the bet and he responded. Seems like a fair offer.
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timschochet
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http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/zimmerman_saga_was_all_about_race/
Because it happened in America, the trial of George Zimmerman for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin was all about race. And because it happened in America, the people who benefit politically from the same invidious forces that led both to Trayvon Martin’s killing, and the acquittal of his killer, will deny that race had anything to do with either the killing or the verdict.
Suppose Trayvon Martin had been a 230-pound 30-year-old black man, with a loaded gun in his jacket. Suppose Zimmerman had been a 150-pound 17-year-old white kid, who was doing nothing more threatening than walking back from a convenience store to his father’s condo.
Suppose Martin had stalked Zimmerman in his car, until Zimmerman became afraid and tried to elude him. Suppose Martin had gotten out of his car and pursued Zimmerman. Suppose this led to some sort of altercation in which the big scary black man ended up with a bloody nose and some scratches on the back of his head, and the scared skinny (and unarmed) white kid had ended up with a bullet in his heart.
How do you suppose the big scary black man’s claim of “self-defense” would have gone over with a jury made up almost entirely of white women? But of course this is America, which means that the scary figure in this story is the skinny unarmed teenager, because in America pretty much any black male over the age of 12 in this sort of situation is going to be presumed to be the ”aggressor,” the “thug” – in short,” the real criminal,” until he’s proved innocent, which he won’t be, even if he’s now a dead, still unarmed teenager. And his killer is a grown man who provokes a fight with an otherwise harmless kid, starts losing it, and then shoots the kid dead.
Because this is America, pointing out that a black boy can be shot with impunity by a more or less white man because many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men is called “playing the race card.” The race card is what the people who benefit politically from the fact that many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men call any reference to the fact that race continues to play an overwhelmingly important, and overwhelmingly invidious, role in American culture in general. And in the criminal justice system in particular.
Trayvon Martin was stalked by George Zimmerman because he was black. Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black. George Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin because the boy Zimmerman killed was black.
If you deny these things, you are either a liar or an idiot, or possibly both.
Nothing above requires the conclusion that the jury’s verdict was wrong as a matter of law. Florida’s laws, in their majestic equality, extend to people of all races the right to engage in vigilante killing that eliminates the sole witness to that killing. To point this out is neither a defense of those laws, nor a claim that they will in fact be applied equally. In other words, to blame this jury in this situation is to miss the point.
Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
Because it happened in America, the trial of George Zimmerman for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin was all about race. And because it happened in America, the people who benefit politically from the same invidious forces that led both to Trayvon Martin’s killing, and the acquittal of his killer, will deny that race had anything to do with either the killing or the verdict.
Suppose Trayvon Martin had been a 230-pound 30-year-old black man, with a loaded gun in his jacket. Suppose Zimmerman had been a 150-pound 17-year-old white kid, who was doing nothing more threatening than walking back from a convenience store to his father’s condo.
Suppose Martin had stalked Zimmerman in his car, until Zimmerman became afraid and tried to elude him. Suppose Martin had gotten out of his car and pursued Zimmerman. Suppose this led to some sort of altercation in which the big scary black man ended up with a bloody nose and some scratches on the back of his head, and the scared skinny (and unarmed) white kid had ended up with a bullet in his heart.
How do you suppose the big scary black man’s claim of “self-defense” would have gone over with a jury made up almost entirely of white women? But of course this is America, which means that the scary figure in this story is the skinny unarmed teenager, because in America pretty much any black male over the age of 12 in this sort of situation is going to be presumed to be the ”aggressor,” the “thug” – in short,” the real criminal,” until he’s proved innocent, which he won’t be, even if he’s now a dead, still unarmed teenager. And his killer is a grown man who provokes a fight with an otherwise harmless kid, starts losing it, and then shoots the kid dead.
Because this is America, pointing out that a black boy can be shot with impunity by a more or less white man because many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men is called “playing the race card.” The race card is what the people who benefit politically from the fact that many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men call any reference to the fact that race continues to play an overwhelmingly important, and overwhelmingly invidious, role in American culture in general. And in the criminal justice system in particular.
Trayvon Martin was stalked by George Zimmerman because he was black. Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black. George Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin because the boy Zimmerman killed was black.
If you deny these things, you are either a liar or an idiot, or possibly both.
Nothing above requires the conclusion that the jury’s verdict was wrong as a matter of law. Florida’s laws, in their majestic equality, extend to people of all races the right to engage in vigilante killing that eliminates the sole witness to that killing. To point this out is neither a defense of those laws, nor a claim that they will in fact be applied equally. In other words, to blame this jury in this situation is to miss the point.
Paul Campos is a professor of law at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
jonessed
Footballguy
And yet there is not a shred of evidence in that entire article of racial profiling in this case. You would think that if it was so incredibly obvious evidence would be easy to come by.
identikit
Footballguy
Jim11
Footballguy
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
You can change names all you want, nothing in that story is based on fact, it is all supposition and fantasy. Ask the 6 jurors.
By the way had the roles been reversed I would still have backed the person that was attacked and applaud his or her ability to defend themselves.
I believe and applaud the opportunity to defend oneself and ones family, no matter what ethnicity they may be. I am consistent, you are the racist.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Solid bait here. Eager to see if anyone bites.
