Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

Good statement by Obama. But part of me hopes he has the Feds charge GZ anyhow, just because it would piss so many people off. And most of the ones who would be pissed off hate Obama's guts anyhow, so why should he care?

Seriously Tim, you readily admit there is not enough evidence to convict him, but you still want to destroy his life. You have zero respect for fairness or our system of government.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Ben Jealous: This was racial profiling.

Uh, what evidence do you have of that?

Evidence is not needed. He is president and CEO of the biggest civil rights org in the US.

pmsl...

 

[tdoss]

Good statement by Obama. But part of me hopes he has the Feds charge GZ anyhow, just because it would piss so many people off. And most of the ones who would be pissed off hate Obama's guts anyhow, so why should he care?

Justice, peace and logic be damned...pissing people off is the main goal.

Damn...I think that pretty much sums you up in a nutshell.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Good statement by Obama. But part of me hopes he has the Feds charge GZ anyhow, just because it would piss so many people off. And most of the ones who would be pissed off hate Obama's guts anyhow, so why should he care?

Justice, peace and logic be damned...pissing people off is the main goal.

Damn...I think that pretty much sums you up in a nutshell.

Tim just wants to give people a second chance to riot for justice.

 

[saintsfan]

First, anybody reveling in this (I haven't seen anybody on this thread) are idiots. This is a tragedy. On both sides. There were no winners.

However, one thing I have seen mentioned is the "what if the roles were reversed?" thing which drives me nuts. If a 17 year old white kid commented about some "crazy ### N-Word" following me and had broken the nose of the middle aged black man and was beating him up MMA style, that white kid would not only be dead, but liberals would be coming out of the woodwork to call the dead white kid a skin head and praising the black man.

Nothing about this case suggests racism. There is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman is not telling the truth, unless you think he punched himself in the face. Zimmerman should have left it to the police and not tried to be a friggin' hero, but to suggest that he wait around to see if Martin killed him before pulling the trigger is crazy.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I really hope they televise the civil trial. I've been waiting forever for Zimmerman to take the stand...

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I still think the prosecution screwed up. Gong for murder 2 bogged them down. It was never a case about murder, it should have just been a self defense case, because that's what it actually was. Going for murder 2 compelled the state to prove depraved mind/heart in addition to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that lethal force was improper self defense. Had they just gone for manslaughter, their burden is lessened as the elements of manslaughter are already there; trayvon is dead and George Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed him. If they don't have to waste time, energy and arguments on depravity they can present a much tighter and coherent case on GZ being the aggressor and therefore having a heightened duty to retreat before lethal force, to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have feared for his life or severe bodily harm, or that the shot was fired once trayvon began his retreat. Focusing on the elements of self defense only, rather than murder 2 elements in their evidence, questions, and opening/closing statements would have been a more sound strategy. Keep it simple.

 

[omally]

Zimmerman should have left it to the police and not tried to be a friggin' hero, but to suggest that he wait around to see if Martin killed him before pulling the trigger is crazy.

Be a hero in regards to what? What did Martin do wrong that warranted a call to police in the first place?

 

[jon_mx]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hope he's learned something from this whole thing. Can't say I am surprised by the verdicts in the least. Major thanks to Ramasay, YankeeFan and the other LawyerGuys helping us wade through the and get good information. I learned a great deal, especially about Florida law. Texas has always seemed like the closest state we have to "the wild west" but Florida seems to be right up there with them. Wondering what, if anything, the legislature down there had learned from this.

You do realize this wasn't a stand your ground case, and the portion of the self defense laws in Florida that applied to this case are equal to that of most states in the country.. Including the one you live in..

In my state it takes more than just the simple claim of it being "self defense". That's essentially the "burden" the defense has in FL.

You say this but in light of all the evidence in the case.. And testimony I watched with my own 2 eyes, I'm calling BS.. There is no evidence to prove your claim that you only have to claim "self defense" and that is the only burden the defense has in Florida.. There were witnesses placing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, the same witness told us that he said to stop, but trayvon would not stop. Also that Zimmerman was screaming for help..

The outcome would have been the same if the case were tried in South Carolina..

And link to where Martin heard this witness?

Link to where Martin could not be defending him self?

I will save you the time.. There is no proof of who started the fight and who had the self defense.

Also keep in mind OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty as well, yet we all know he did it. Sometimes the courts do not have enough evidence in a he said/he is dead case! Since there is no one who can provide the key information of what happened that night, other than Zimmerman who's story has been proven to have holes, but not enough to not convict him.

I don't think you understand what I was responding to... The lack of evidence would have received a not guilty verdict in most states in this country.. It had little to do with Florida law specifically as most states have a pretty similar self defense law outside of the 'stand your ground' provision which wasn't used in this case..

But to your point, I never said Zimmerman was without fault, I said they didn't have enough to convict him. You're telling me they didn't prove his innocence, but that was not the criteria.. He hasn't been proven guilty either, and guess what? That is the criteria..

 

[jon_mx]

I still think the prosecution screwed up. Gong for murder 2 bogged them down. It was never a case about murder, it should have just been a self defense case, because that's what it actually was. Going for murder 2 compelled the state to prove depraved mind/heart in addition to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that lethal force was improper self defense. Had they just gone for manslaughter, their burden is lessened as the elements of manslaughter are already there; trayvon is dead and George Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed him. If they don't have to waste time, energy and arguments on depravity they can present a much tighter and coherent case on GZ being the aggressor and therefore having a heightened duty to retreat before lethal force, to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have feared for his life or severe bodily harm, or that the shot was fired once trayvon began his retreat. Focusing using on the elements of self defense only, rather than showing mired 2 elements in their evidence, questions, and opening/closing statements would have been a more sound strategy. Keep it simple.

Self-defense is just as legitimate a defense against Murder 2 as it is against manslaughter. The charges brought would have made no difference in the outcome. Manslaughter was on the table in this case anyways.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

C'mon Tim, c'mon Mr Expert In All Things. Quit running to the mods to help solve your problems. In betting doesn't a person usually get a chance to go double or nothing? Well? C'mon Mr Expert. You say Zimmerman won't win a suit against the media. Well, put my money where your mouth is partner.

I'm not privy to the background on your situation here but your schtick is worse than Tims.. If you're going to troll Tim, at least make it interesting.. You're just being annoying right now..

 

[Mario Kart]

Good statement by Obama. But part of me hopes he has the Feds charge GZ anyhow, just because it would piss so many people off. And most of the ones who would be pissed off hate Obama's guts anyhow, so why should he care?

Worst idea possible. As he said in the statement, the bar is set high before the Feds step in. Telling the AG to charge Zimmerman would not only lower the bar greatly, it would also set a huge, poor precedent. You cannot be serious with this idea.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I still think the prosecution screwed up. Gong for murder 2 bogged them down. It was never a case about murder, it should have just been a self defense case, because that's what it actually was. Going for murder 2 compelled the state to prove depraved mind/heart in addition to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that lethal force was improper self defense. Had they just gone for manslaughter, their burden is lessened as the elements of manslaughter are already there; trayvon is dead and George Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed him. If they don't have to waste time, energy and arguments on depravity they can present a much tighter and coherent case on GZ being the aggressor and therefore having a heightened duty to retreat before lethal force, to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have feared for his life or severe bodily harm, or that the shot was fired once trayvon began his retreat. Focusing on the elements of self defense only, rather than murder 2 elements in their evidence, questions, and opening/closing statements would have been a more sound strategy. Keep it simple.

Was there a time limit in this trial? They obviously knew all along they were going to add murder 3 as well as manslaughter. It's not like time trying to prove depraved mind/heart took time away from proving manslaughter. It was self defense and there wasn't enough evidence to prove otherwise. Time to accept it and move on.

 

[omally]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Judging by the lack of reaction to this verdict, from a rioting perspective, is it fair to assume that that the country agrees with the verdict?

Do you know how I know you don't facebook or use Twitter?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Judging by the lack of reaction to this verdict, from a rioting perspective, is it fair to assume that that the country agrees with the verdict?

No, it is fair to assume that black people don't behave like animals when they don't like a result.

Oakland?

 

[jon_mx]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

I was referring to those who want the feds to step in and go after Zimmerman. (such as Tim and Sharpton)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

He's talking about everyone else..

 

[otello]

Judging by the lack of reaction to this verdict, from a rioting perspective, is it fair to assume that that the country agrees with the verdict?

Do you know how I know you don't facebook or use Twitter?

Tell me more....

 

[timschochet]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

I was referring to those who want the feds to step in and go after Zimmerman. (such as Tim and Sharpton)

I don't really want that. I wrote that "part of me" wants it. A very small part, knowing how much it would antagonize you.

Also, do me a favor for my sanity: please don't use phrases such as "Tim and Sharpton". That's even worse than "Tim and LHUCKS".

 

[omally]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

He's talking about everyone else..

I know who he was talking about, but I don't know why those people matter, and so I don't know why their opinion is a big slap in the face to our justice system. Martin's parents are the ones who matter as far as people who were not on Zimmerman's side, and their behavior post-verdict has not been disgusting.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Judging by the lack of reaction to this verdict, from a rioting perspective, is it fair to assume that that the country agrees with the verdict?

No, it is fair to assume that black people don't behave like animals when they don't like a result.

That can't be possible.

 

[Skyryder222]

I contend that GZ's head was never banged on the concrete. His injuries were not consistent with that. The prosecution should have focused more on that issue.

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

Very minor injuries. He got away with murder, period.

The Jury disagrees with you.

So what. I disagree with the jury.

They're opinion matters. Yours does not.

Every opinion is questionable, even the jury's. I listened to the entire trial. If his head was banged into the concrete I believe his injuries would have much more severe. He profiled, followed, and thus he was the aggressor. This kid should still be alive. Who's fault is that?

You've got the media narrative down but seem to be missing the story told in the trial. It was established that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman too. You cannot logically believe George followed Trayvon to the crime scene. How did Trayvon get there after running from there? Page 30 of this thread. Trayvon either hid or doubled back. That issue has not been adequately addressed in well over year. You break someone's nose on a dark rainy night at a time when you could be safely inside. You mount that person and do not relent after he cries 20 times for help, and even after an eyewitness yells at you to stop. You get shot. That's your fault.

That is the way I see it too. Jury made the only decision faced with the evidence presented in the trial. This case was brought to trial because the media manipulated public opinion.

 

[jon_mx]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

I was referring to those who want the feds to step in and go after Zimmerman. (such as Tim and Sharpton)

I don't really want that. I wrote that "part of me" wants it. A very small part, knowing how much it would antagonize you.

Also, do me a favor for my sanity: please don't use phrases such as "Tim and Sharpton". That's even worse than "Tim and LHUCKS".

But you do admit there is a little Shapton inside of you.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The lynch Zimmerman crowd is not appeased yet. We were told over and over they just wanted their day in court. But no, that was not enough. It is pretty disgusting behavior and a big slap in the face to our system of justice. I thought Obama's statement was purely one-sided, which is pretty typical.

Martin's parents said they wanted their day in court, and they got it, and their reaction to the verdict hasn't been disgusting at all.

He's talking about everyone else..

I know who he was talking about, but I don't know why those people matter, and so I don't know why their opinion is a big slap in the face to our justice system. Martin's parents are the ones who matter as far as people who were not on Zimmerman's side, and their behavior post-verdict has not been disgusting.

The justice system did not jump for Martin's parents, they jumped for the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and others who claimed they only anted a fair trial..

Well, that didn't turn out to be the truth did it.. No, what they wanted is for Zimmerman to be punished whether he was guilty or not..

 

[jwp]

Man I feel the same way this morning as I did after the original OJ trial. This guilty #### got away with it. It's awful.

I feel totally opposite. I would've been a little surprised (but not on the level of OJ) had they found him guilty. OJ had so much evidence against him and I was shocked at that verdict. This case had lots of gray areas in it and the prosecutors were horrible.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

First, anybody reveling in this (I haven't seen anybody on this thread) are idiots. This is a tragedy. On both sides. There were no winners.

However, one thing I have seen mentioned is the "what if the roles were reversed?" thing which drives me nuts. If a 17 year old white kid commented about some "crazy ### N-Word" following me and had broken the nose of the middle aged black man and was beating him up MMA style, that white kid would not only be dead, but liberals would be coming out of the woodwork to call the dead white kid a skin head and praising the black man.

Nothing about this case suggests racism. There is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman is not telling the truth, unless you think he punched himself in the face. Zimmerman should have left it to the police and not tried to be a friggin' hero, but to suggest that he wait around to see if Martin killed him before pulling the trigger is crazy.

This is one of the most level headed takes on the situation i have seen, and obviously I agree with it. Fwiw

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

 

[Christo]

I still think the prosecution screwed up. Gong for murder 2 bogged them down. It was never a case about murder, it should have just been a self defense case, because that's what it actually was. Going for murder 2 compelled the state to prove depraved mind/heart in addition to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that lethal force was improper self defense. Had they just gone for manslaughter, their burden is lessened as the elements of manslaughter are already there; trayvon is dead and George Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed him. If they don't have to waste time, energy and arguments on depravity they can present a much tighter and coherent case on GZ being the aggressor and therefore having a heightened duty to retreat before lethal force, to show that a reasonable person wouldn't have feared for his life or severe bodily harm, or that the shot was fired once trayvon began his retreat. Focusing using on the elements of self defense only, rather than showing mired 2 elements in their evidence, questions, and opening/closing statements would have been a more sound strategy. Keep it simple.

Self-defense is just as legitimate a defense against Murder 2 as it is against manslaughter. The charges brought would have made no difference in the outcome. Manslaughter was on the table in this case anyways.

I disagree with this take. I think the manslaughter charge was tainted by the Murder 2 charge. When the prosecution tells the jury it's going to prove Murder 2 but the evidence so clearly doesn't support it the prosecution loses some credibility with the jury. It's possible that had they argued for manslaughter from the beginning the self-defense claim wouldn't have been given as much weight.

 

[MaxThreshold]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

 

[johnnycakes]

Mods, I get that private wagers between posters are none of your concern, but should this guy be allowed to continue to post here with impunity after refusing to pay and then laughing about it for months afterward? Dr. Gobbler owes me $80 and Jmon $30. It's all on record. He doesn't deny it. Can't he at least be suspended until he pays up?

Then what leverage would you guys have to call him out? I would instead petition for an exemptin to the "be excellent" rule you the debtors could continue to harass, embarrass. And ridicule the deadbeat.

 

[lod01]

Black dude on CNN is absolutely schooling some race card carrying black chick.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

 

[Rayderr]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

 

[MaxThreshold]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

No one's head has ever snapped back when firing a gun?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman had time in the scuffle to shoot Martin with proper form? That when his hand and gun fly back they can't break his nose and fling his head back to the ground?

 

[MaxThreshold]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

No one's head has ever snapped back when firing a gun?

Unless they were firing it with there face.

 

[Rush Limbaugh Fan]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman had time in the scuffle to shoot Martin with proper form? That when his hand and gun fly back they can't break his nose and fling his head back to the ground?

Do you understand physics?

 

[Skyryder222]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

No one's head has ever snapped back when firing a gun?

No. Have you ever fired a pistol?

 

[MaxThreshold]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman had time in the scuffle to shoot Martin with proper form? That when his hand and gun fly back they can't break his nose and fling his head back to the ground?

Hang on...how do you know this actually happened? Is this all mere speculation on your part to try and justify a guilty verdict? Was any of this ever proven? Any forensic evidence to indicate as such?

You've never fired a handgun before, have you? Did you just get done watching youtube videos of girls trying to fire the Desert Eagle and that's what you're basing your speculation on?

 

[The Kerminator]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman had time in the scuffle to shoot Martin with proper form? That when his hand and gun fly back they can't break his nose and fling his head back to the ground?

Do you understand physics?

Do you understand fishing?

 

[Skyryder222]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

No one's head has ever snapped back when firing a gun

Seriously, you speculate that GZ has a broken nose and cuts on the back of us head because..... he fired his gun? Un frikkin believable.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

You're not serious, are you?

Well, I suppose it's possible if he was holding the gun with his face and pressed the trigger with his tongue.

I'm not a gun guy but isn't the Kel-Tec PF9 noted for being a "snappy little sucker"? (That and a high failure rate.)

Oh, and define serious.

Not sure about the PF9, but he's holding it with his hand so why would his head take the recoil? The physics of it are impossible.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman had time in the scuffle to shoot Martin with proper form? That when his hand and gun fly back they can't break his nose and fling his head back to the ground?

Hang on...how do you know this actually happened? Is this all mere speculation on your part to try and justify a guilty verdict? Was any of this ever proven? Any forensic evidence to indicate as such?

You've never fired a handgun before, have you? Did you just get done watching youtube videos of girls trying to fire the Desert Eagle and that's what you're basing your speculation on?

Are you serious?

 

[17seconds]

Racism is alive and well! Well done Florida!

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[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Do you understand fishing?

Turned out that way.

 

[Mister CIA]

Racism is alive and well! Well done Florida!

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All in favor say AYE.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What caused the injuries to the back of his head? You can debate their severity. But you can't deny that he was injured.

The recoil from firing the gun of course.

I'm guessing physics isn't your strong suit.

No one's head has ever snapped back when firing a gun

Seriously, you speculate that GZ has a broken nose and cuts on the back of us head because..... he fired his gun? Un frikkin believable.

He has obviously never shot a 9mm... If he had, he'd know how ridiculous he sounds..

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Racism is alive and well! Well done Florida!

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All in favor say AYE.

AYE!

Vote to do the same with California up next...