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Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Walked into a meeting here at work wearing a hoodie and eating some Skittles and everyone hit the deck !!!!
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Wait, these are real? WTF.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Skittles, Iced Tea and now Slim Jims. Seeing a pattern here.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I have no idea what happened that night. I've written over and over again that it seems, based on the slim evidence presented, like Zimmerman is certainly guilty of a crime, but it will be very difficult to prove, and that based on what I know I would be forced to acquit. In this thread there are a lot of thoughtful people- people trying to be fair, to do the right thing, to provide good commentary. I disagree strongly with some of the comments made by Carolina Hustler and renesauz, to cite two examples, but I very much appreciate their integrity: I believe that they are honestly attempting to give a reasonable judgment about a complicated situation.But you on the other hand- there's no nice way to say this, BoneYard Dog, but your posts are simply pathetic. On this issue, just like every issue, you begin by looking for whichever position happens to match you extremist conservative point of view, and that is the position you adopt. Then you go cherrypicking "facts" which will support your point of view. It's incredibly predictable, because you have done the same thing in every thread you have ever entered. You provide nothing new, and nothing interesting. I could write all of your posts. If I were you I would stay away from posting until I could figure out a way to contribute something of value.
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
This is a lie...
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
well according to Carolina H this is normal , gentle george just wants a safe crime free hoodWait, these are real? WTF.
More or less obtuse than the people who keep claiming the police ordered Zimmerman not to follow him?
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
More dedicated, Zimmerman to calling the police or Carolina to posting in this thread?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
"I'm just a boy, standing in front of a vigilante, wearing a hoodie and drinking some iced tea."
~ Trayvon
~ Trayvon
timschochet
Footballguy
Where have you been, Christo? I missed you in this thread! And don't tell me you were busy working or anything. Priorities, dude!
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Which part is a lie?
timschochet
Footballguy
YOU LIE!
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
That part was deemed irrelevant by the Zimmerman defenders who subsequently went on to make as big a deal about Martin's school suspension as possible.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
"GUN!"
~ Secret Service agents seeing someone near the president with a small bag of candy and a can of iced tea
~ Secret Service agents seeing someone near the president with a small bag of candy and a can of iced tea
It still hasn't been established that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
Alright, alrightthats almost 12 pages of pure Christo
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
Your a liar Timmy, you KNOW I am pro-choice, agnostic, anti-war and couldn't care less about your sexual proclivities... Are these the "extremist conservative" values of which you speak???The "positions" I am "cherry picking" are statements from witnesses that were there and the "leaked" police reports and in addition the statements of people that know Zimmerman the best...WTH are you basing your judgements on, please tell me...
TexanFan02
Footballguy
None of it.
Hell, I worked through lunch.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I didn't realize Zimmerman's dad was a retired judge.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
When small bags of candy and cans of iced tea are outlawed, only outlaws will have small bags of candy and cans of iced tea 
Clinton
Footballguy
His dad's a Jew. It was either go into the law or become a dentist.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
The Martin family lawyer is on TV right now pointing out that according to the first police report there were no injuries listed to Zimmerman. Only in the second report did these injuries show up, which makes him skeptical.
I bring this up to point out a phenomenon similar to the OJ Simpson case: I believe a lot of people are going to distrust anything the police says, and assume that its all lies and cover ups.
I bring this up to point out a phenomenon similar to the OJ Simpson case: I believe a lot of people are going to distrust anything the police says, and assume that its all lies and cover ups.
Clinton
Footballguy
Undoubtedly.So basically they're looking at what other cops have done numerous times in the past, saying a high percentage of cops perform cover-ups, so the cops in the present case must also be performing a cover-up. That sounds like people would be profiling the present cops based on the actions of other cops. Aren't we not supposed to use "you belong to a group" logic to profile? Shouldn't Bobby Rush be speaking out against this profiling?
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
“According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison,” Danielle Canada, who looked at Zimmerman’s record, writes on RollingOut.com.“All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident.”
Zimmerman’s mother, Gladys who is Peruvian, used to be an interpreter at the county courthouse. While his father, Robert Zimmerman, who is white, is a former Orange County magistrate judge.
“Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, in clearing his name in three separate arrests?”, asks RollingOut.com’s Danielle Canada.
That’s the question on everyone’s mind now that news has leaked that the lead investigator wanted him arrested.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
-boneyarddogBoneYardDog
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The Martin family lawyer is on TV right now pointing out that according to the first police report there were no injuries listed to Zimmerman. Only in the second report did these injuries show up, which makes him skeptical
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I haven't seen the Zimmerman lawyer but I don't like the Martin lawyer at all.
timschochet
Footballguy
The 13 year old witness, whom BoneYardDog and others have claimed supports Zimmerman's story, has told his mother very clearly that the cries for help were from Trayvon Martin, not Zimmerman. He also says that there was no struggle that he saw. He does not believe that this was a case of self defense.
I wonder if he's lying....or if the mother's lying....
I wonder if he's lying....or if the mother's lying....
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Is there a 2nd 13 year old witness or is this the same kid that was out walking his dog?
Probably written by the lead investigator who stated he did not believe Zimmerman. It is not surprising he may have not reported the injuries because he appears biased against Zimmerman.The Martin family lawyer is on TV right now pointing out that according to the first police report there were no injuries listed to Zimmerman. Only in the second report did these injuries show up, which makes him skeptical
There are links to at least two interviews in this thread he gave and he was nowhere near clear about that.
timschochet
Footballguy
The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
OR....Probably written by the lead investigator who stated he did not believe Zimmerman. It is not surprising he may have not reported the injuries because he appears biased against Zimmerman.The Martin family lawyer is on TV right now pointing out that according to the first police report there were no injuries listed to Zimmerman. Only in the second report did these injuries show up, which makes him skeptical
timschochet
Footballguy
Same kid.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
Kid walking his dog. Said he thought it was Martin crying out and that the two were laying on the ground separated right before the shot.
The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
As I stated many times, the lead investigator appears very biased. I think it is inappropriate for an investigator to make such statements. He is playing judge and juror. He should be gathering facts and keeping his opinions to himself.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
OR...The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
timschochet
Footballguy
Just telling you what the mom says on TV. She seemed pretty firm about it. She implied that all of the police officers outside of the chief investigator who intereviewed her son deliberately tried to mislead him and frame his testimony in a certain way. And that the chief investigator told her that there was stereotyping going on and to "read between the lines."
timschochet
Footballguy
Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Ya...he should be leading the witnesses and ignoring any statements that may incriminate zimmerman, Like the other cops on the scene were doing. Damn lone wolf cops can screw up badly done investigation like nobodies business hahaAs I stated many times, the lead investigator appears very biased. I think it is inappropriate for an investigator to make such statements. He is playing judge and juror. He should be gathering facts and keeping his opinions to himself.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
timschochet
Footballguy
Here is the one interview that I have been able to find with the 13 year old kid, and it seems to confirm the mother and contradict what we have previously heard:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html
Some quotes:
"They still haven't arrested him yet," Austin said, his chin tucked low. "That's pretty much the main thing that's upsetting me."
Austin's mother, Sheryl Brown, said that the trauma from the night has not been limited to what her son witnessed. It also includes the way she says that the police and some media have twisted his account of the night to fit a self-defense theory, to say that a 13-year-old witness has claimed Zimmerman, and not Martin, was screaming for help. Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.
Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help. And while the police have said that they don't have any evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, the investigators had a different story when they visited her family about a week after the shooting, Brown said.
"That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense," Brown said, recalling the day the police came to interview Austin. "Several times he said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people.' He looked at me and said, 'You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
She continued: "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that. I don't know if that was to make me less uncomfortable or to make us feel that he was on our side."
In recent days, other witnesses have come forward to say that the police attempted to twist their testimony to support Zimmerman's claims of self-defense or ignored them entirely, including two witnesses who joined the Martin family during a press conference on Friday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html
Some quotes:
"They still haven't arrested him yet," Austin said, his chin tucked low. "That's pretty much the main thing that's upsetting me."
Austin's mother, Sheryl Brown, said that the trauma from the night has not been limited to what her son witnessed. It also includes the way she says that the police and some media have twisted his account of the night to fit a self-defense theory, to say that a 13-year-old witness has claimed Zimmerman, and not Martin, was screaming for help. Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.
Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help. And while the police have said that they don't have any evidence to refute Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, the investigators had a different story when they visited her family about a week after the shooting, Brown said.
"That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense," Brown said, recalling the day the police came to interview Austin. "Several times he said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people.' He looked at me and said, 'You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
She continued: "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that. I don't know if that was to make me less uncomfortable or to make us feel that he was on our side."
In recent days, other witnesses have come forward to say that the police attempted to twist their testimony to support Zimmerman's claims of self-defense or ignored them entirely, including two witnesses who joined the Martin family during a press conference on Friday.
It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
How far away from the fight was he? I remember in the interview he said it was dark out because of no moon and the rain. I got the impression he wouldn't have been able to make out what people were wearing.It's in here. I'm not looking for it. It was an interview he gave a reporter and both of them went to the spot where the fight occurred.Do you have a link to this? Are you sure the kid spoke directly to reporters? Or did they get that from the police report?The kid told reporters that the guy on the ground was wearing red.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
I think Mom is trying to get her 15 minutes here.
