Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

Martin was a thug, he attacked Zimmerman, they both went after Zimmerman's gun after Martin started beating him up and Martin lost...We went over this yesterday, all supported by witnesses, that's why no charges were files, that's why the "stand your ground" defense will not be used and Zimmerman if charged will be acquitted because he was attacked and defended himself...All he is guilty of is being stupid, maybe...

So when you were 17 and some jerk came up to you in your neighborhood or any neighbohood, and confronted you for walking down the road on your way home from the store, you would have been ok and not gone confrontational.

No one is claiming that Zimmerman did not somewhat provoke this and is a jerk. However, if he was attacked, it becomes legally justifiable, or at least gives him some cover.

 

[Two Deep]

The people that are posting about their broken noses and other people's broken noses doesn't mean anything. Who cares if you bleed like a stuck hog when your nose gets bumped? I don't care that a kid took a kick ball to the face and had to have a blood transfusion. What does that have to do with this case? Trayvon probably told Zimmerman "get the #### away from me and #### off!" Zimmerman pushed the issue, ended up getting his ### beat and shot the kid because, 1 he is an idiot, 2 he walks around armed in his neighborhood looking for someone to shoot, 3 he was told to quit following the kid, and 4 not only did he take the life of a child, he has also ####ed up his life as well. skittles

Well said but talking sense doesn't get you very far in this thread.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

Newly released video of George Zimmerman at the Sanford Police Department the night he shot Trayvon Martin to death show the neighborhood watch volunteer without blood on his clothing or bruises on his face or head. His clean-shaven picture seems to contrast with the violent beating he told police he endured at the hands of Martin, 17, who Zimmerman said attacked him from behind.The video, obtained by ABC News, appears inconsistent with Zimmerman’s recently leaked statement to police that he was in a death struggle with Martin before Zimmerman shot him in the chest in self-defense. Zimmerman told investigators that Martin jumped him from behind, punched him in the nose and pounded his head into a sidewalk, according to a police report first described by the Orlando Sentinal.

Zimmerman told police he got out of his vehicle to follow Martin, but lost sight of him. As he walked back to his vehicle, Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, knocked him down and began smashing the back of his head into the sidewalk, police reports say Zimmerman told officers. During the tussle, Zimmerman pulled the 9 mm handgun he carried and shot Martin in the chest, he told police.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Is it true there's a 'first' police report that makes no mention of any injuries? And that the injuries appeared only on a second report?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

OK, fair enough. So is that what makes him racist? I mean, if it was a white or hispanic kid would he not have followed him or not have approached him or not have shot him?

I think Zimmerman is whacked and guilty of killing another person for no legitimate reason. I don't think race had much to do with it as far as he goes, except to help convince him that he was dealing with a hoodlum.i.e. he wasn't acting out of hate (the idea that this is a hate crime seems really farfetched to me), but his prejudices helped lead him down a path that led to killing someone.I do think a fair number of people who are defending Zimmerman like he's a family member would be interpreting things a bit differently if the skin colors were reversed though.

OK, good answer. Thanks!

 

[Christo]

And I honestly don't think that even if the SPD is as incompetent as people believe it to be lead investigators would be going around telling witnesses mothers "This is absolutely not self defense."

I agree with this....but you cant just discount what he said, whether he should have said it or not. After seeing that arrest video im sure that the lead investigator saw the same thing. If you have a guy saying what zimmerman said and then you dont see any real signs of a life and death struggle , no blood or wounds or torn clothes, then your going to have a lot of doubt hes telling the truth.

Again, he refused treatment. He did not claim to be beat up so badly he was not able to defend himself, as a result he went for the gun. What Zimmerman claims is that there was a struggle for the gun which was obviously life or death at that point. Why would the lack of evidence of blood everywhere make him less credible?I heard on other forums that the casing from the gun did not eject, jamming the gun. That means something was blocking the slide from racking and ejecting the casing and chambering another. That could mean the sign of two people struggling for the gun. Again, nothing offical there. Still searching for confirmation there.

Where are we getting that Zimmerman refused treatment. The police report states that "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD . . . . Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD, he was transported to the Sanford Police Department."

Refused treatment at a hospital. If I'm establishing a self defense case that I shot the kid because he was beating me senseless, I would be requesting photos and a trip to the hospital.

And if he truly believed he acted in self-defense it might not even cross his mind.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

 

[ATC1]

OK, fair enough. So is that what makes him racist? I mean, if it was a white or hispanic kid would he not have followed him or not have approached him or not have shot him?

I think Zimmerman is whacked and guilty of killing another person for no legitimate reason. I don't think race had much to do with it as far as he goes, except to help convince him that he was dealing with a hoodlum.i.e. he wasn't acting out of hate (the idea that this is a hate crime seems really farfetched to me), but his prejudices helped lead him down a path that led to killing someone.I do think a fair number of people who are defending Zimmerman like he's a family member would be interpreting things a bit differently if the skin colors were reversed though.

If I'm in the jury. In order for me to be able to convict Zimmerman without any doubt. There would have to be proof that there was 1. no struggle for the gun. Or, 2. proof that Zimmerman was the inital aggressor.

 

[Christo]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Is it true there's a 'first' police report that makes no mention of any injuries? And that the injuries appeared only on a second report?

I've seen this mentioned several times but a quick check on google doesn't turn anything up.

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

 

[cstu]

And I honestly don't think that even if the SPD is as incompetent as people believe it to be lead investigators would be going around telling witnesses mothers "This is absolutely not self defense."

I agree with this....but you cant just discount what he said, whether he should have said it or not. After seeing that arrest video im sure that the lead investigator saw the same thing. If you have a guy saying what zimmerman said and then you dont see any real signs of a life and death struggle , no blood or wounds or torn clothes, then your going to have a lot of doubt hes telling the truth.

Again, he refused treatment. He did not claim to be beat up so badly he was not able to defend himself, as a result he went for the gun. What Zimmerman claims is that there was a struggle for the gun which was obviously life or death at that point. Why would the lack of evidence of blood everywhere make him less credible?I heard on other forums that the casing from the gun did not eject, jamming the gun. That means something was blocking the slide from racking and ejecting the casing and chambering another. That could mean the sign of two people struggling for the gun. Again, nothing offical there. Still searching for confirmation there.

Where are we getting that Zimmerman refused treatment. The police report states that "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD . . . . Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD, he was transported to the Sanford Police Department."

Refused treatment at a hospital. If I'm establishing a self defense case that I shot the kid because he was beating me senseless, I would be requesting photos and a trip to the hospital.

Actually if you were claiming to have been beaten senseless then the smart move would be to refuse treatment since that's what senseless people do.

 

[timschochet]

Here's a question for people who know about guns (I don't.): Zimmerman's gun was a 9mm. Now if you are in a physical wrestle with another person, close enough to each other so that you or he can throw punches, and you fire a gun into his chest, wouldn't his blood drape all around you? Your hands, face, clothes, etc? I"m not trying to make any argument here, I honestly don't know the answer.

Also, can ballistics tell us how far away the gun fired from the victim? Because that would tell us a lot.

 

[timschochet]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

"I didn't see any evidence he had been fighting anybody," Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

IF there is any way to prove this in a court of law, then I would vote to convict Zimmerman. Absolutely.But- can it be proved?

 

[cstu]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

I don't believe it...he's black.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Assuming that's not contradicted by the coroner's report, another strike against Zimmerman.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

what bull councilor? the man lied, and as a lawyer you should know that thats a big no -no

 

[ATC1]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

 

[timschochet]

Assuming that's not contradicted by the coroner's report, another strike against Zimmerman.

That would be strike 3. If there is a way to prove Martin never was physical with Zimmerman, Zimmerman has no defense.

 

[Christo]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

what bull councilor? the man lied, and as a lawyer you should know that thats a big no -no

He lied about what?

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

 

[SacramentoBob]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

I think we can ignore this anonymous "John" character at this point.

 

[Christo]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

I think we can ignore this anonymous "John" character at this point.

The mysterious voice behind a door that only Fox News had access to? But he's Christo's whole defense!

 

[timschochet]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

"I didn't see any evidence he had been fighting anybody," Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

1. We don't know that he bloodied his own nose and head.2. We don't know that a witness actually saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. This remains unconfirmed.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

This dude should be executed just for calling the police every time he saw a dog or an open garage door.

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

 

[SacramentoBob]

This dude should be executed just for calling the police every time he saw a dog or an open garage door.

Pitbulls really hate that guy.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

what bull councilor? the man lied, and as a lawyer you should know that thats a big no -no

He lied about what?

Im ignoring your trip. All the evidence is piling up against your boy gentle george. What you say from here on out means nothing.

 

[Christo]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

So you weren't there.

 

[ATC1]

Here's a question for people who know about guns (I don't.): Zimmerman's gun was a 9mm. Now if you are in a physical wrestle with another person, close enough to each other so that you or he can throw punches, and you fire a gun into his chest, wouldn't his blood drape all around you? Your hands, face, clothes, etc? I"m not trying to make any argument here, I honestly don't know the answer. Also, can ballistics tell us how far away the gun fired from the victim? Because that would tell us a lot.

Blood wouldn't be pouring out like you see on TV unless it hit an atery. Especially since MArtin was wearing a hoodie. However, if Zimmerman shot him square in the chest it won't take any time for Martin to be down and allow Zimmerman to get up. GSR (gun shot residue) can be traced to see where a person's hands where and how close to the body the shot occured. However, I seriously doubt it was tested since there were not any photographs taken.I think this was no ordinary crime scene where there was no one at the scene admitting to shooting the victim. If Zimmerman was no where to be seen it would be an entirely different crime scene. Not that it should have been though.

 

[timschochet]

If we work hard enough we can get to pg 100 by midnight.

 

[Christo]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

what bull councilor? the man lied, and as a lawyer you should know that thats a big no -no

He lied about what?

Im ignoring your trip. All the evidence is piling up against your boy gentle george. What you say from here on out means nothing.

What evidence? Nothing has changed for a week.

 

[timschochet]

Here's a question for people who know about guns (I don't.): Zimmerman's gun was a 9mm. Now if you are in a physical wrestle with another person, close enough to each other so that you or he can throw punches, and you fire a gun into his chest, wouldn't his blood drape all around you? Your hands, face, clothes, etc? I"m not trying to make any argument here, I honestly don't know the answer. Also, can ballistics tell us how far away the gun fired from the victim? Because that would tell us a lot.

Blood wouldn't be pouring out like you see on TV unless it hit an atery. Especially since MArtin was wearing a hoodie. However, if Zimmerman shot him square in the chest it won't take any time for Martin to be down and allow Zimmerman to get up. GSR (gun shot residue) can be traced to see where a person's hands where and how close to the body the shot occured. However, I seriously doubt it was tested since there were not any photographs taken.I think this was no ordinary crime scene where there was no one at the scene admitting to shooting the victim. If Zimmerman was no where to be seen it would be an entirely different crime scene. Not that it should have been though.

Thanks.

 

[SacramentoBob]

If we work hard enough we can get to pg 100 by midnight.

51 more pages? Not without Carolina Hustler.

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

So you weren't there.

What does that have to do with the statement you responded to?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So the guy that was beaten to the point he feared for his life shows no visible signs of damage, and the guy who supposedly beat someone with his bare fists to the point that they feared they might die shows no visible sign of damage on his hands?

Gonna be a great trial, if Zimmerman doesn't cut his losses and plead beforehand.

 

[timschochet]

What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?

So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.

ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period

About what?

so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.

Quit this bull####. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood. That doesn't mean that's what happened.

what bull councilor? the man lied, and as a lawyer you should know that thats a big no -no

He lied about what?

Im ignoring your trip. All the evidence is piling up against your boy gentle george. What you say from here on out means nothing.

What evidence? Nothing has changed for a week.

1. The lead investigator's statements.2. The mother of the 13 year old's statements.

3. The video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station.

4. The funeral director's statement (probably the most important in the bunch.)

You appear to be ignoring all items which contradict your position on this case.

 

[timschochet]

If we work hard enough we can get to pg 100 by midnight.

51 more pages? Not without Carolina Hustler.

Only 3 more pages. We're on 97 right now.

 

[TexanFan02]

You appear to be ignoring all items which contradict your position on this case.

Welcome to the thread, Tim. Meet Christo.

(Here's the kicker: Christo really thinks he's guilty, he just likes to argue)

 

[SacramentoBob]

So Martin one punch KOed Zimmerman, followed him to the ground and beat on him more, yet Zimmerman was able to outwrestle Martin for the gun?

 

[Christo]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

So you weren't there.

What does that have to do with the statement you responded to?

I'm still trying to establish how you know he wasn't bloody.

 

[TexanFan02]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

So you weren't there.

What does that have to do with the statement you responded to?

I'm still trying to establish how you know he wasn't bloody.

I told you.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NEW NEWS

The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.

Straight up murder.

So now Zimmerman shot Martin, bloodied his own nose and head, and bribed a witness to say he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Damn find detective work CNN.

His head and nose didn't look bloody to me.

You were there?

Saw pics of him shortly after. Didn't look like a guy who had been in a fight at all, much less a life threatening one.

So you weren't there.

What does that have to do with the statement you responded to?

Christo is trying so hard to stay afloat its comical to watch

 

[timschochet]

You appear to be ignoring all items which contradict your position on this case.

Welcome to the thread, Tim. Meet Christo.

(Here's the kicker: Christo really thinks he's guilty, he just likes to argue)

I don't think Christo cares one way or the other if Zimmerman is guilty.

 

[Christo]

1. The lead investigator's statements.2. The mother of the 13 year old's statements.3. The video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station.4. The funeral director's statement (probably the most important in the bunch.)You appear to be ignoring all items which contradict your position on this case.

I want someone, anyone, to show me something that Zimmerman said that was a lie.

 

[TexanFan02]

So Martin one punch KOed Zimmerman, followed him to the ground and beat on him more, yet Zimmerman was able to outwrestle Martin for the gun?

You forgot hammering his head on the sidewalk til it was a bloody pulp and Zimmerman had no choice but to... Oh wait.

 

[ATC1]

NAncy just said that there were probably photos, but have not been released yet. Can we call off the dogs for a wee bit longer?

 

[jon_mx]

OK, fair enough. So is that what makes him racist? I mean, if it was a white or hispanic kid would he not have followed him or not have approached him or not have shot him?

I think Zimmerman is whacked and guilty of killing another person for no legitimate reason. I don't think race had much to do with it as far as he goes, except to help convince him that he was dealing with a hoodlum.i.e. he wasn't acting out of hate (the idea that this is a hate crime seems really farfetched to me), but his prejudices helped lead him down a path that led to killing someone.I do think a fair number of people who are defending Zimmerman like he's a family member would be interpreting things a bit differently if the skin colors were reversed though.

I think skin color has a much bigger impact on how the anti-zimmerman folks view it.

 

[timschochet]

1. The lead investigator's statements.2. The mother of the 13 year old's statements.3. The video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station.4. The funeral director's statement (probably the most important in the bunch.)You appear to be ignoring all items which contradict your position on this case.

I want someone, anyone, to show me something that Zimmerman said that was a lie.

Would you agree that if any of this is true, especially point #4, then Zimmerman is clearly lying?