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[Leeroy Jenkins]

Man tells police group yelled ‘Trayvon,' then beat him

By Chad Smith

Staff writer

Published: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

Last Modified: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.

Police are investigating the “racially motivated” beating of a 27-year-old man who was walking home from midtown bars early Saturday when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who shouted “Trayvon” before the attack.

The exclamation was an apparent reference to Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old from Miami who was shot and killed in February walking back to his father’s girlfriend’s house in Sanford.

His shooter, George Zimmerman, has not been charged.

The case of Martin, an unarmed black teenager who was killed by Zimmerman, a Hispanic crime-watch volunteer, has stirred conversations across the country about race, crime and profiling.

Investigators believe that case was the catalyst for the beating Saturday in Gainesville.

“We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,” Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said.

The assailants were black, while the victim is white, Valuri said.

She said the victim had been drinking and could not provide a description of the attackers or their vehicle, only that it was a mid-size vehicle.

But Valuri said his injuries were consistent with being jumped by a group.

During what he told police was a five-minute beating, he sustained injuries to the left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right kneecap, and Valuri said he would likely have “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”

He was taken to Shands at the University of Florida for treatment.

The attack occurred at about 2:45 a.m. in the 3200 block of Southwest 23rd Terrace.

The victim told police that a vehicle was coming east on Southwest 32nd Place when it stopped at 23rd Terrace.

A group of men got out and told him he was walking too slowly, the victim told police.

They then yelled “Trayvon,” according to a GPD report, and proceeded to beat him.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/ARTICLES/120409617/1182?Title=Man-tells-police-group-yelled-8216-Trayvon-then-beat-him

I've never seen a thread with as many internal hondas as this one.

George Zimmerman wrote a book called touched!?!?!?

 

[ATC1]

I mean seriously if the guy was out at 2:45 am he was obviously into some kind of trouble. Anyone checked his twitter feed?

I mean seriously if the guy was out in the rain he was obviously into some kind of trouble. Anyone checked his twitter feed?

 

[ATC1]

I've never seen a thread with as many internal hondas as this one.

Surprised in this thread? You really expect people to go through 160 pages to see if it's a honda. I bet 5 people actually saw the article posted initially and read it.

 

[Clifford]

I mean seriously if the guy was out at 2:45 am he was obviously into some kind of trouble. Anyone checked his twitter feed?

I mean seriously if the guy was out in the rain he was obviously into some kind of trouble. Anyone checked his twitter feed?

and scene

 

[TexanFan02]

I've never seen a thread with as many internal hondas as this one.

Surprised in this thread? You really expect people to go through 160 pages to see if it's a honda. I bet 5 people actually saw the article posted initially and read it.

I bet you're wrong.

 

[Clifford]

I don't think think the website tells us much of anything at all about George Zimmerman, one way or the other. The only thing that startled me a little was his use of a quote from James Loewen, the author of Lies My Teacher Taught Me. Loewen is a very progressive, left-wing historian. It's a little like quoting Noam Chomsky. Not that this tells anything about Zimmerman's politics, but it was interesting to see that quote there. Doesn't fit the image that's been built up about this guy...

I saw this quote, which he should remove immediately:The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke.

To me this paints a picture of Z as vigilante, and implies that he thinks that by doing something he prevented evil. Not good for his defense.

 

[Charlie Frown]

INTERSETING

In Florida, first-degree murder cases must be heard by a grand jury, which means Corey can only charge Zimmerman with third-degree murder, second-degree murder or manslaughter.

However, because Zimmerman fired his gun and Martin died, Zimmerman could still face life in prison without parole, WFTV found out

In my opinion (with the limited facts we have available) Zimmerman will not be arrested. There is not enough evidence to prove he did not act in self defense.

 

[ATC1]

Sheriff says man won't be charged in deadly shootingPosted: Apr 10, 2012 10:20 AM CDT Updated: April 10, 2012 12:55 PMBy Casey Vaughn, Web Producer - email Spartanburg Co. Sheriff Chuck Wright says no charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed two burglary suspects Saturday. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright held a press conference Tuesday morning to announce that the man accused of shooting and killing two burglary suspects Saturday will not face charges.Wright spoke with the media to announce that solicitor Barry Barnette and his office had determined the shooter was protected under the law.Deputies said on Saturday, the resident of an apartment at the Lees Crossing complex on Powell Mill Road told deputies he and his girlfriend saw two men near the window of their apartment.The man then retrieved a gun from his car and went to confront the two men, according to investigators. Investigators were told by the resident when he confronted the men, they tried to hide behind the air conditioning units by the apartment, so in fear for his life, he fired shots at them.According to the coroner, the burglary suspects, 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hil Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill, both died from gunshot wounds to the head.Wright consulted with the 7th Circuit Solicitor's Office in reviewing the evidence and the laws that apply to this case, and the decision was made not to bring charges against the resident.Deputies said the shooter was protected under the Brayboy Ruling by the South Carolina Court of Appeals in 2010. Wright said even though the shooter was a convicted felon, the ruling allowed him to have a handgun to defend himself and protect his property.Deputies said the apartment belonging to the resident and his girlfriend had been broken into three previous times.During the press conference, Wright said he regrets two individuals lost their life in this incident and once again emphasized a firearm should only be used as a last resort. He said calling 911 and allowing trained law enforcement to handle situations whenever possible is preferred.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17374567/sheriff-wright-says-shooter-wont-be-charged-in-burglary-deathsThe guy is a convicted felon, he goes to his car to get his gun before confronting the men. The men try to run and hide behind the AC unit, so they are shot in fear of his life? He gets off without a problem. I guess the two victims should have attacked and jumped on top of the shooter. No Al Sharpton here. The shooter is black.

 

[TexanFan02]

Sheriff says man won't be charged in deadly shooting

Posted: Apr 10, 2012 10:20 AM CDT Updated: April 10, 2012 12:55 PM

By Casey Vaughn, Web Producer - email

Spartanburg Co. Sheriff Chuck Wright says no charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed two burglary suspects Saturday.

Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright held a press conference Tuesday morning to announce that the man accused of shooting and killing two burglary suspects Saturday will not face charges.

Wright spoke with the media to announce that solicitor Barry Barnette and his office had determined the shooter was protected under the law.

Deputies said on Saturday, the resident of an apartment at the Lees Crossing complex on Powell Mill Road told deputies he and his girlfriend saw two men near the window of their apartment.

The man then retrieved a gun from his car and went to confront the two men, according to investigators. Investigators were told by the resident when he confronted the men, they tried to hide behind the air conditioning units by the apartment, so in fear for his life, he fired shots at them.

According to the coroner, the burglary suspects, 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hil Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill, both died from gunshot wounds to the head.

Wright consulted with the 7th Circuit Solicitor's Office in reviewing the evidence and the laws that apply to this case, and the decision was made not to bring charges against the resident.

Deputies said the shooter was protected under the Brayboy Ruling by the South Carolina Court of Appeals in 2010. Wright said even though the shooter was a convicted felon, the ruling allowed him to have a handgun to defend himself and protect his property.

Deputies said the apartment belonging to the resident and his girlfriend had been broken into three previous times.

During the press conference, Wright said he regrets two individuals lost their life in this incident and once again emphasized a firearm should only be used as a last resort. He said calling 911 and allowing trained law enforcement to handle situations whenever possible is preferred.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17374567/sheriff-wright-says-shooter-wont-be-charged-in-burglary-deathsThe guy is a convicted felon, he goes to his car to get his gun before confronting the men. The men try to run and hide behind the AC unit, so they are shot in fear of his life? He gets off without a problem. I guess the two victims should have attacked and jumped on top of the shooter. No Al Sharpton here. The shooter is black.

In the head.That's extra special wrong, but since the victims were also probably black no one will care.

 

[Clifford]

My bad, was in SoCar.

This is effing crazy. It's like there's no law anymore in states where this passed. No investigation will ever happen to determine whether there was even a burglary in progress. One man's word against two dead men.

 

[cstu]

Sheriff says man won't be charged in deadly shootingPosted: Apr 10, 2012 10:20 AM CDT Updated: April 10, 2012 12:55 PMBy Casey Vaughn, Web Producer - email Spartanburg Co. Sheriff Chuck Wright says no charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed two burglary suspects Saturday. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright held a press conference Tuesday morning to announce that the man accused of shooting and killing two burglary suspects Saturday will not face charges.Wright spoke with the media to announce that solicitor Barry Barnette and his office had determined the shooter was protected under the law.Deputies said on Saturday, the resident of an apartment at the Lees Crossing complex on Powell Mill Road told deputies he and his girlfriend saw two men near the window of their apartment.The man then retrieved a gun from his car and went to confront the two men, according to investigators. Investigators were told by the resident when he confronted the men, they tried to hide behind the air conditioning units by the apartment, so in fear for his life, he fired shots at them.According to the coroner, the burglary suspects, 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hil Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill, both died from gunshot wounds to the head.Wright consulted with the 7th Circuit Solicitor's Office in reviewing the evidence and the laws that apply to this case, and the decision was made not to bring charges against the resident.Deputies said the shooter was protected under the Brayboy Ruling by the South Carolina Court of Appeals in 2010. Wright said even though the shooter was a convicted felon, the ruling allowed him to have a handgun to defend himself and protect his property.Deputies said the apartment belonging to the resident and his girlfriend had been broken into three previous times.During the press conference, Wright said he regrets two individuals lost their life in this incident and once again emphasized a firearm should only be used as a last resort. He said calling 911 and allowing trained law enforcement to handle situations whenever possible is preferred.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17374567/sheriff-wright-says-shooter-wont-be-charged-in-burglary-deathsThe guy is a convicted felon, he goes to his car to get his gun before confronting the men. The men try to run and hide behind the AC unit, so they are shot in fear of his life? He gets off without a problem. I guess the two victims should have attacked and jumped on top of the shooter. No Al Sharpton here. The shooter is black.

Wow.

 

[ATC1]

My bad, was in SoCar.

This is effing crazy. It's like there's no law anymore in states where this passed. No investigation will ever happen to determine whether there was even a burglary in progress. One man's word against two dead men.

SPARTANBURG COUNTY, S.C. --

Updated: April 10, 2012

Authorities say a man who shot two suspects he said were trying to break into his Spartanburg County apartment was prohibited from having a weapon.

The Herald-Journal of Spartanburg reports that 29-year-old Douglas Williams was convicted of forgery in 2008 and placed on probation. The conviction prevents him from being able to carry a gun or own ammunition legally.

Investigators say Williams shot and killed 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hill Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill around 12:10 a.m. Saturday. Deputies say Williams told investigators he came home and caught the men trying to break into his apartment. Authorities say one of the men was wearing a ski mark.

Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright will announce whether charges will be filed in the case Tuesday.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2012/apr/10/8/two_people_shot_burglary-ar-3559909/

 

[Clifford]

Yay gun lobbies! They got the America they always wanted.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Zimmerman's attorneys holding news conference right now. Apparently George has stopped communicating with them, set up his own website, and is doing interviews without consulting them. They're stepping down as his attorneys.

Stream to the news conference:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-041012,0,1667835.htmlstory

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman's attorneys holding news conference right now. Apparently George has stopped communicating with them, set up his own website, and is doing interviews without consulting them. They're stepping down as his attorneys.Stream to the news conference:http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-041012,0,1667835.htmlstory

I'm going to double down on crazy.

 

[Daywalker]

Zimmerman worried that other people getting money that should go to him. Nutjob, wouldn't believe a word he says.

 

[Clifford]

Zimmerman is no longer in Florida

This white-haired attorney is kind of a trainwreck. Way too emotionally involved.

Just said if you take guns away from the good people, the punks and thugs will rule everyone.

Brains of the operation just stepped in and put a stop to it.

 

[Slapdash]

Sheriff says man won't be charged in deadly shootingPosted: Apr 10, 2012 10:20 AM CDT Updated: April 10, 2012 12:55 PMBy Casey Vaughn, Web Producer - email Spartanburg Co. Sheriff Chuck Wright says no charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed two burglary suspects Saturday. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright held a press conference Tuesday morning to announce that the man accused of shooting and killing two burglary suspects Saturday will not face charges.Wright spoke with the media to announce that solicitor Barry Barnette and his office had determined the shooter was protected under the law.Deputies said on Saturday, the resident of an apartment at the Lees Crossing complex on Powell Mill Road told deputies he and his girlfriend saw two men near the window of their apartment.The man then retrieved a gun from his car and went to confront the two men, according to investigators. Investigators were told by the resident when he confronted the men, they tried to hide behind the air conditioning units by the apartment, so in fear for his life, he fired shots at them.According to the coroner, the burglary suspects, 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hil Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill, both died from gunshot wounds to the head.Wright consulted with the 7th Circuit Solicitor's Office in reviewing the evidence and the laws that apply to this case, and the decision was made not to bring charges against the resident.Deputies said the shooter was protected under the Brayboy Ruling by the South Carolina Court of Appeals in 2010. Wright said even though the shooter was a convicted felon, the ruling allowed him to have a handgun to defend himself and protect his property.Deputies said the apartment belonging to the resident and his girlfriend had been broken into three previous times.During the press conference, Wright said he regrets two individuals lost their life in this incident and once again emphasized a firearm should only be used as a last resort. He said calling 911 and allowing trained law enforcement to handle situations whenever possible is preferred.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17374567/sheriff-wright-says-shooter-wont-be-charged-in-burglary-deathsThe guy is a convicted felon, he goes to his car to get his gun before confronting the men. The men try to run and hide behind the AC unit, so they are shot in fear of his life? He gets off without a problem. I guess the two victims should have attacked and jumped on top of the shooter. No Al Sharpton here. The shooter is black.

Ridiculous.

 

[FavreCo]

The whole debacle was losing momentum. Zimm is trying to get it back on track.

 

[Gigantomachia]

INTERSETING

In Florida, first-degree murder cases must be heard by a grand jury, which means Corey can only charge Zimmerman with third-degree murder, second-degree murder or manslaughter.

However, because Zimmerman fired his gun and Martin died, Zimmerman could still face life in prison without parole, WFTV found out

In my opinion (with the limited facts we have available) Zimmerman will not be arrested. There is not enough evidence to prove he did not act in self defense.

That is a matter of law, i.e., a question for a jury.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The whole debacle was losing momentum. Zimm is trying to get it back on track.

Slut.

 

[Woogie Lee]

He's also having "off the record" conversations with Sean Hannity.

 

[ATC1]

Forensics has not been released yet Zimmerman's side thinks will help his case.

 

[TexanFan02]

Forensics has not been released yet Zimmerman's side thinks will help his case.

Of course they do.

 

[ATC1]

Talking about Zimmerman's black friends.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Zimmerman's attorneys holding news conference right now. Apparently George has stopped communicating with them, set up his own website, and is doing interviews without consulting them. They're stepping down as his attorneys.Stream to the news conference:http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-041012,0,1667835.htmlstory

I'm going to double down on crazy.

 

[ATC1]

Forensics has not been released yet Zimmerman's side thinks will help his case.

Of course they do.

Just paraphrasing the live video for people that miss it.

 

[TexanFan02]

Talking about Zimmerman's black friends.

This guy isn't helping Zimmerman. At least Sonner doesn't talk that much.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

George Zimmerman’s (former) attorneys have just held a remarkable press conference in which they announced they would no longer represent the man who shot and killed teenager Trayvon Martin.They said their client hasn’t answered their calls or text messages since Sunday, and as such have decided they cannot represent a man who does not want their services.And in the most bizarre bit of the theater — they said their ex-client had reached out to Fox News’ Sean Hannity directly for an off-the-record conversation against their advice.

Nucking futs, FTW.

 

[TexanFan02]

Shaken babies.

 

[Gigantomachia]

He's also having "off the record" conversations with Sean Hannity.

talk about doubling down on the crazy

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Maybe Zimmerman is crazy, but dropping this lawyer was a good idea. He is insane.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Shaken babies.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think this lawyer got all of his arguments from this thread. Is Christo in FL???

 

[ATC1]

For being a former attorney, they don't need to be arguing with the media and on their soap box if they did not care to still represent Zimmerman.

Come on dude we covered this in the FFA last week.

 

[TexanFan02]

Now he's misquoting the stand your ground law. If only we could get Christo down there.

 

[TexanFan02]

After the press conference the loud obnoxious lawyer walked off talking to a crowd of reporters. Sonner was just talking to two young cute ones off to the side. Sonner's kind of smooth.

 

[Clifford]

Even money that was Christo. If not, Christo is his speech writer.

 

[jon_mx]

Talking about Zimmerman's black friends.

Plagiarizing Tim's shtick.

 

[TexanFan02]

Talking about Zimmerman's black friends.

Plagiarizing Tim's shtick.

He's referring to what was actually being said at the press conference. It was funny to hear it coming from the loud angry blowhard guy.

 

[cr8f]

Zimmerman's website sayshe put the paypal link there to thank his supporters.

Thank you by taking your money.

 

[TexanFan02]

Zimmerman's website sayshe put the paypal link there to thank his supporters.

Thank you by taking your money.

It's part of his fantasy life. Now he's a paid assassin.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think he should try to copyright White-Hispanic.

Did you fill out a census form in 2010? Been to the doctor lately?

 

[metoo]

I think he should try to copyright White-Hispanic.

Did you fill out a census form in 2010? Been to the doctor lately?

Yes. How hard is if for people to understand you can be white and hispanic. Hispanic is an ethnicity.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Man tells police group yelled ‘Trayvon,' then beat him

By Chad Smith

Staff writer

Published: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

Last Modified: Monday, April 9, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.

Police are investigating the “racially motivated” beating of a 27-year-old man who was walking home from midtown bars early Saturday when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who shouted “Trayvon” before the attack.

The exclamation was an apparent reference to Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old from Miami who was shot and killed in February walking back to his father’s girlfriend’s house in Sanford.

His shooter, George Zimmerman, has not been charged.

The case of Martin, an unarmed black teenager who was killed by Zimmerman, a Hispanic crime-watch volunteer, has stirred conversations across the country about race, crime and profiling.

Investigators believe that case was the catalyst for the beating Saturday in Gainesville.

“We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,” Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said.

The assailants were black, while the victim is white, Valuri said.

She said the victim had been drinking and could not provide a description of the attackers or their vehicle, only that it was a mid-size vehicle.

But Valuri said his injuries were consistent with being jumped by a group.

During what he told police was a five-minute beating, he sustained injuries to the left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right kneecap, and Valuri said he would likely have “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”

He was taken to Shands at the University of Florida for treatment.

The attack occurred at about 2:45 a.m. in the 3200 block of Southwest 23rd Terrace.

The victim told police that a vehicle was coming east on Southwest 32nd Place when it stopped at 23rd Terrace.

A group of men got out and told him he was walking too slowly, the victim told police.

They then yelled “Trayvon,” according to a GPD report, and proceeded to beat him.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/ARTICLES/120409617/1182?Title=Man-tells-police-group-yelled-8216-Trayvon-then-beat-him

Aren't we supposed to be waiting for all the facts before we determine what happened in this incident?

Pretty F-d up situation.. Guy has nothing to do with it, and gets permently disfigured.. If it is the way it sounds, the guys responsible could be looking at federal time..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Sheriff says man won't be charged in deadly shootingPosted: Apr 10, 2012 10:20 AM CDT Updated: April 10, 2012 12:55 PMBy Casey Vaughn, Web Producer - email Spartanburg Co. Sheriff Chuck Wright says no charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed two burglary suspects Saturday. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright held a press conference Tuesday morning to announce that the man accused of shooting and killing two burglary suspects Saturday will not face charges.Wright spoke with the media to announce that solicitor Barry Barnette and his office had determined the shooter was protected under the law.Deputies said on Saturday, the resident of an apartment at the Lees Crossing complex on Powell Mill Road told deputies he and his girlfriend saw two men near the window of their apartment.The man then retrieved a gun from his car and went to confront the two men, according to investigators. Investigators were told by the resident when he confronted the men, they tried to hide behind the air conditioning units by the apartment, so in fear for his life, he fired shots at them.According to the coroner, the burglary suspects, 22-year-old Michael Gentry-Hil Jr. and 18-year-old Darren Hill, both died from gunshot wounds to the head.Wright consulted with the 7th Circuit Solicitor's Office in reviewing the evidence and the laws that apply to this case, and the decision was made not to bring charges against the resident.Deputies said the shooter was protected under the Brayboy Ruling by the South Carolina Court of Appeals in 2010. Wright said even though the shooter was a convicted felon, the ruling allowed him to have a handgun to defend himself and protect his property.Deputies said the apartment belonging to the resident and his girlfriend had been broken into three previous times.During the press conference, Wright said he regrets two individuals lost their life in this incident and once again emphasized a firearm should only be used as a last resort. He said calling 911 and allowing trained law enforcement to handle situations whenever possible is preferred.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17374567/sheriff-wright-says-shooter-wont-be-charged-in-burglary-deathsThe guy is a convicted felon, he goes to his car to get his gun before confronting the men. The men try to run and hide behind the AC unit, so they are shot in fear of his life? He gets off without a problem. I guess the two victims should have attacked and jumped on top of the shooter. No Al Sharpton here. The shooter is black.

If the shooter was white, and the dead guys are black, then the shooter is racist. Not sure if it works the other way around. Tim? Knuckles?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

My bad, was in SoCar.This is effing crazy. It's like there's no law anymore in states where this passed. No investigation will ever happen to determine whether there was even a burglary in progress. One man's word against two dead men.

Where what passed?Are you suggesting that the 'Stand-your-ground law' affected the outcome in this case? I didn't read that in the article..

 

[timschochet]

If the shooter was white, and the dead guys are black, then the shooter is racist. Not sure if it works the other way around.

Tim? Knuckles?

Let's correct a few points:1. I have not accused Zimmerman of being a racist. I don't know if he is or if he isn't. I wrote that a certain amount of the evidence points to the fact that he might be. But even this is in dispute, and I'm sure none of you want to hear all of it again.

2. What I did write is that there is a pattern of racist behavior by the Sanford police in the past, and that the vast majority of blacks who live in Sanford, according to CNN, believe the police is racist, and that there is certainly a history of institutionalized racism in the country involving police forces. Whether or not any of these matters have had a direct result on this incident is a matter of opinion: I say it does, but many people disagree with me.

3. I think you're right when you point out the hypocrisy of Al Sharpton and other black "leaders" not rushing to the scene when the culprit of one of these incidents is a black man. Sharpton and the like aren't interested in this sort of crime; they're only interested in those crimes which will serve to strengthen their claim of an unjust society. However, while this is a fair criticism of Sharpton, it doesn't mean that his central claims about this particular case (and about the injustices he chooses to focus on) are any less valid.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If the shooter was white, and the dead guys are black, then the shooter is racist. Not sure if it works the other way around.

Tim? Knuckles?

Let's correct a few points:1. I have not accused Zimmerman of being a racist. I don't know if he is or if he isn't. I wrote that a certain amount of the evidence points to the fact that he might be. But even this is in dispute, and I'm sure none of you want to hear all of it again.

2. What I did write is that there is a pattern of racist behavior by the Sanford police in the past, and that the vast majority of blacks who live in Sanford, according to CNN, believe the police is racist, and that there is certainly a history of institutionalized racism in the country involving police forces. Whether or not any of these matters have had a direct result on this incident is a matter of opinion: I say it does, but many people disagree with me.

3. I think you're right when you point out the hypocrisy of Al Sharpton and other black "leaders" not rushing to the scene when the culprit of one of these incidents is a black man. Sharpton and the like aren't interested in this sort of crime; they're only interested in those crimes which will serve to strengthen their claim of an unjust society. However, while this is a fair criticism of Sharpton, it doesn't mean that his central claims about this particular case (and about the injustices he chooses to focus on) are any less valid.

Wouldn't institutionalized racism work against any black shooter, regardless of what color the people he shot were? Looks like the shooter in this case is black, shouldn't a racist police department have assumed he was guilty of murder based on his skin color?

 

[Christo]

If the shooter was white, and the dead guys are black, then the shooter is racist. Not sure if it works the other way around.

Tim? Knuckles?

Let's correct a few points:1. I have not accused Zimmerman of being a racist. I don't know if he is or if he isn't. I wrote that a certain amount of the evidence points to the fact that he might be. But even this is in dispute, and I'm sure none of you want to hear all of it again.

2. What I did write is that there is a pattern of racist behavior by the Sanford police in the past, and that the vast majority of blacks who live in Sanford, according to CNN, believe the police is racist, and that there is certainly a history of institutionalized racism in the country involving police forces. Whether or not any of these matters have had a direct result on this incident is a matter of opinion: I say it does, but many people disagree with me.

3. I think you're right when you point out the hypocrisy of Al Sharpton and other black "leaders" not rushing to the scene when the culprit of one of these incidents is a black man. Sharpton and the like aren't interested in this sort of crime; they're only interested in those crimes which will serve to strengthen their claim of an unjust society. However, while this is a fair criticism of Sharpton, it doesn't mean that his central claims about this particular case (and about the injustices he chooses to focus on) are any less valid.

Wouldn't institutionalized racism work against any black shooter, regardless of what color the people he shot were? Looks like the shooter in this case is black, shouldn't a racist police department have assumed he was guilty of murder based on his skin color?

Luckily the accusation of institutional racism is a fickle mistress. While it can be used to assert that a black criminal can't get a fair shake from The Man when the victim is white, it actually works in favor of black criminals when the victim is black because The Man doesn't care about black victims.