Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Carolina Hustler]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either. It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Report: Feds weigh hate crime charge in Trayvon Martin death

USA TODAY, Full Article

George Zimmerman, the volunteer neighborhood watchman from Florida charged in the killing of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin, could face federal hate crime charges, WFTV out of Orlando reports.

If Zimmerman, now charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting death, is convicted of a hate crime, he could face the death penalty. The Justice Department says it has been investigating all aspects of this case, including the question of hate crime charges, since earlier this year.

"The independent investigation remains ongoing, and we continue to provide support and resources to the local prosecution,'' Justice spokesman Wyn Hornbuckle said Tuesday.

You cheer on the death penalty?.. You're a warped individual..

Depends on who is dying.

What if Zimmerman had died at the hands or Martin?

Then the right person would be dead.

:Fishingtrip:

 

[Charlie Frown]

Family doctors.

Lets not leave that out of the discussion.

If a doctor puts his name to it and it's used in court, he's subject to perjury if it turns out to be fabricated. Plus I imagine he would lose his license as well. I prefer to withhold judgment until we see the actual report, but I'm not going to go along with doubting the integrity of a professional. There's been far too much of that in this case already, particularly from the pro-Zimmerman side.

I haven't really seen anyone as much "pro-Zimmerman" as "pro-justice" maybe. I will be OK however it turns out. As much fun as all of this speculation is ultimately we need to let the justice system do it's job.

 

[SacramentoBob]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Family doctors.

Lets not leave that out of the discussion.

If a doctor puts his name to it and it's used in court, he's subject to perjury if it turns out to be fabricated. Plus I imagine he would lose his license as well. I prefer to withhold judgment until we see the actual report, but I'm not going to go along with doubting the integrity of a professional. There's been far too much of that in this case already, particularly from the pro-Zimmerman side.

Not you in particular. But go back and read through this thread how the lead investigator and the lead prosecutor have had their integrity challenged again and again. It's been embarrassing. Accusing them of making mistakes is one thing, but they have been accused of deliberately lying, making up evidence, etc. Legal experts such as jon_mx and Carolina Hustler have challenged everything they've done.

Link?If I remember correctly, it was the 'Mob' that was questioning the integrity of law enforcement to start this thread.. You specifically insinuated that they are biased against black people..

You're delusional bud..

 

[SacramentoBob]

I haven't really seen anyone as much "pro-Zimmerman" as "pro-justice" maybe. I will be OK however it turns out. As much fun as all of this speculation is ultimately we need to let the justice system do it's job.

They want to throw a parade for Zimmerman for killing a black kid. I guess that's justice for some.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I haven't really seen anyone as much "pro-Zimmerman" as "pro-justice" maybe. I will be OK however it turns out. As much fun as all of this speculation is ultimately we need to let the justice system do it's job.

They want to throw a parade for Zimmerman for killing a black kid. I guess that's justice for some.

Link?

 

[SacramentoBob]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

Thank Goodness..

 

[SacramentoBob]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

Thank Goodness..

They ever link that jewelry to any thefts?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

A laceration is a tear, not "blunt force trauma"And no one ever said he was "within a few inches of his life"Black eyes can take a while to show up..

Glad you can be so conclusive from what little you saw through a very poor video. I think I'll take the doctors opinion over yours..

Actually zimmermans brother has said that he was beaten within an inch of his life by Trayvon and had he not shot the kid he would have wound up a vegetable on life support.I guess we can say that the family doctor is as credible as the funeral director who said he saw no evidence of a fight on treyvons hands or body other than the bullit hole

Terrible mis-quote by you here. His brother said that Zimmerman moved his head off the concrete on to the grass to avoid damage that might case him to be a vegetable.. He never said he was beaten to within an inch of his life. He specifically says the shot was taken to avoid being disarmed and having the gun used on him..Brother:

“George was out of breath ... his last thing he remembers doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass, so that if he was banged one more time he wouldn't be -- you know, wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon fed by his brother,”

“What Trayvon said was, either to the effect of, I believe, ‘This is going to be easy, you die tonight or you have a piece, you die tonight.’ And then attempted to disarm him. So when [you say,] he had a bag of Skittles and an iced tea ... nobody just stood there with a bag of Skittles and iced tea. “You return force with force when somebody assaults you.”

The funeral directer is qualified to make these distinctions in what way?

The doctor has a degree, and is trained to make these diagnosis'

 

[pittstownkiller]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

Thank Goodness..

They ever link that jewelry to any thefts?

Yea, that wasn't stolen jewelry, It was his, he came by it honestly, he just didn't want it anymore and gave it away for free..

 

[SacramentoBob]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

Thank Goodness..

They ever link that jewelry to any thefts?

Yea, that wasn't stolen jewelry, It was his, he came by it honestly, he just didn't want it anymore and gave it away for free..

I guess you know what happened since you were there.

 

[TexanFan02]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

 

[jon_mx]

Family doctors.

Lets not leave that out of the discussion.

If a doctor puts his name to it and it's used in court, he's subject to perjury if it turns out to be fabricated. Plus I imagine he would lose his license as well. I prefer to withhold judgment until we see the actual report, but I'm not going to go along with doubting the integrity of a professional. There's been far too much of that in this case already, particularly from the pro-Zimmerman side.

Not you in particular. But go back and read through this thread how the lead investigator and the lead prosecutor have had their integrity challenged again and again. It's been embarrassing. Accusing them of making mistakes is one thing, but they have been accused of deliberately lying, making up evidence, etc. Legal experts such as jon_mx and Carolina Hustler have challenged everything they've done.

Your selective memory is pathetic Tim. The pro-Martin side thinks that the original DA was motivated by bigotry. The pro-Martin side thought FoxNews was lying when it exposed the ABC tape-editing. The pro-Martin side accused Zimmerman's attorney as being a liar. The pro-Martin side is now accusing this doctor of lying. You maybe willing to flip-flop on issues on a dime, but you are also willing to be ridiculously one-sided on issues before you do your famous 180-degree flips. I called out the funeral director because he is completely unqualified to make the statements he did. I called out the lead investigator because he was going around making unsupported and unprofessional mstatements about Zimmerman's lack of credibility and filed a report which made accusations unsupported by any facts. I called out Holder because he is unquestionably the worst appointment made by Obama and has proven time after time he deserves to be fired. The people I called out was with just cause, the people the pro-Martin side called out as lacking integrity was based mostly on the fact they did not like the facts which were presented. I have nothing to back down from, and I know I am right about my calls. The pro-Martin side is embarrassing wrong and will continue to back peddle on each of those as they have already.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

:Fishingtrip:

If I were tasked with choosing whether people would live or die, I'd choose Martin to live over Zimmerman every time.

Knowing nothing about them, or the incident..If your wife was a bus driver and Martin punched her, then what? Or if your families jewelry was the jewelry found in his bookbag?There is enough evidence and eye witness report to suggest Zimmerman was defending himself. With that being a viable option here, it's imbecilic to cheer on the death penalty..

My wife isn't a bus driver and we haven't lost any jewelry.

Thank Goodness..

They ever link that jewelry to any thefts?

Yea, that wasn't stolen jewelry, It was his, he came by it honestly, he just didn't want it anymore and gave it away for free..

I guess you know what happened since you were there.

I put it in his bag..

 

[pittstownkiller]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

 

[SacramentoBob]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

Who charged him with a hate crime?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

Who charged him with a hate crime?

you did

 

[Neofight]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either. It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

 

[jon_mx]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either. It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

What part of closed fracture do you not understand?

 

[identikit]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

So sayeth a youtube MD

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

 

[Neofight]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

 

[identikit]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

Sure thing, doc.

 

[TexanFan02]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

Is that what the Prosecutor is charging him with? (Hint: No). I think you might be confused. Take a step back and come back in 6 months.

 

[Novice2]

George Zimmerman medical report reveals injuries.

 

[TexanFan02]

George Zimmerman medical report reveals injuries.

Thanks for repeating what has already been reported. Zimmerman has alleged injuries, which don't show up on Police videotape, and are confirmed by his "family doctor" the next day. And he refuses treatment for them. **SMOKING GUN**

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

The doctor who examined, and made the report.. The one who went to school to be a doctor, the one who is qualified..Whether or not you know the difference between a laceration and a scratch has nothing to do with this case since you didn't examine the injury.. Also, "Laceration" is a medical term, "scratch" is not. I scratch my balls when they itch...

Zimmerman's "scratch"

 

[pittstownkiller]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

Is that what the Prosecutor is charging him with? (Hint: No). I think you might be confused. Take a step back and come back in 6 months.

The story posted about a half-a-page up stated the Feds are considering a hate crime charge, I gave my opinion on what that type of charge being applied here means to me. I am not confused, but of course I could be wrong; so of course could you, on your points. The prosecutors both, Federal and State, will most likely over-reach here as they have a weak case; charging him with everything possible and making the penalties so onerous that the relatively mild plea-bargain they offer must be entertained. If Zimmerman has a good lawyer who is confident, they will see it through; If the lawyer smells a witch hunt, he'll settle.

 

[Neofight]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

Sure thing, doc.

Hablas fallacy?

 

[Neofight]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

The doctor who examined, and made the report.. The one who went to school to be a doctor, the one who is qualified..Whether or not you know the difference between a laceration and a scratch has nothing to do with this case since you didn't examine the injury.. Also, "Laceration" is a medical term, "scratch" is not. I scratch my balls when they itch...

Zimmerman's "scratch"

Well done! And how does one get a laceration?ETA: where in that picture do you see a torn, jagged wound, or the swelling associated with blunt trauma?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

 

[Neofight]

George Zimmerman medical report reveals injuries.

The new information in The Zimmerman family doctors report: George Zimmerman was on Adderall and Temazepam.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

The doctor who examined, and made the report.. The one who went to school to be a doctor, the one who is qualified..Whether or not you know the difference between a laceration and a scratch has nothing to do with this case since you didn't examine the injury.. Also, "Laceration" is a medical term, "scratch" is not. I scratch my balls when they itch...

Zimmerman's "scratch"

Well done! And how does one get a laceration?ETA: where in that picture do you see a torn, jagged wound, or the swelling associated with blunt trauma?

Laceration doesn't mean "Blunt trauma". And the wound is obviously under the blood..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

A broken nose by it self doesn't justify anything. The path taken to get that broken nose can justify many things..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hablas fallacy?

Sure, every time you post in this thread..

 

[Neofight]

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

Thats big news.Nothing ever showed to be broken nose, blacked eyes or the requisite swelling for either.

It is the family doctor though. Wonder when this report was done.

That's what's curious to me about the use of the term "lacerations"; which clearly implies blunt force trauma. The (admittedly grainy) video showed a very coherent looking Zimmerman with no evidence of a broken nose, or anything that resembled blunt force trauma. This would seem to be unexpected for a man who was pummeled to within a few inches of his life an hour or so earlier.Perhaps these things showed up later, perhaps the family doctor is a good friend. The autopsy, medical (from that night) and ballistic reports should clear things up.

So both the photograph evidence showing injury as well as the medical reports are fakes?

What medical reports? The cuts on Zimmermans head did not appear to be caused by blunt trauma, nor did he appear to have any signs of a broken nose. Are you saying otherwise?

The doctors report.You aren't qualified to make that distinction in the first place, and you were not able to make an examination.

The doctor is qualified, and did examine..

Which doctor? At least I understand the distinction between a laceration and a scratch. Do you?

The doctor who examined, and made the report.. The one who went to school to be a doctor, the one who is qualified..Whether or not you know the difference between a laceration and a scratch has nothing to do with this case since you didn't examine the injury.. Also, "Laceration" is a medical term, "scratch" is not. I scratch my balls when they itch...

Zimmerman's "scratch"

Well done! And how does one get a laceration?ETA: where in that picture do you see a torn, jagged wound, or the swelling associated with blunt trauma?

Laceration doesn't mean "Blunt trauma". And the wound is obviously under the blood..

I have no idea what you are trying to imply; I did not say a laceration does "mean" blunt trauma, as if the words were synonyms. But two things: Zimmerman and his family did indeed claim he suffered blunt trauma to his head, and yes, a laceration is usually caused by a blunt trauma.So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

 

[Neofight]

Hablas fallacy?

Sure, every time you post in this thread..

Can you please try to keep your arguments logical? The novelty of entertainment value your shtick once had has long since passed.

 

[SacramentoBob]

These kind of charges smell of the Prosecutor throwing everything at him in hopes that he'll plead to a lesser offense.

What kind of charges?

Hate crime charges.

Who charged him with a hate crime?

you did

Link to affidavit?

 

[Charlie Frown]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

Doctor's report?Also the coroner's report states that Martin had injuries to his knuckles "WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died."

My link

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

Doctor's report?Also the coroner's report states that Martin had injuries to his knuckles "WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died."

My link

You're going in circles here. We know what Zimmerman's doctor said. That's great and it is clear he chose his words carefully- but where is the physical evidence of torn or jagged wounds on Zimmerman's head? Where is the swelling from having his head slammed into the ground multiple times? Where is the image showing a man that looks like his head was being mistreated to the point where he might need to wear diapers for the rest of his life, being spoon fed by his brother? We have all seen the pictures and yet there is no evidence of any of this.ETA:

From the article you linked:

But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin's knuckle injury.

“It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself,” Sheaffer said.

I'm curious to hear what else was contained in that autopsy. I understand, of course, that some may be satisfied with whatever the defense leaks from it.

 

[Guest]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

 

[Charlie Frown]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

It may be, it may not. The question is, in light of all other evidence, or lack thereof, is it a reason to kill someone.I'll say no. Whether he did indeed have his nose broken by Martin or not. There just isn't a lot of info to back up his claims of a severe beating (to date). The fact that his brother went so far as to claim he could fear for his life if confronted with chapstick and a toothpick gets to the root of this. He clearly is a man that shouldn't have a gun in his possession.. And he doesn't even suffer from the depression and rage that George does, nor take the meds that might have exacerbating side effects... so far as we know.

 

[Charlie Frown]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

It may be, it may not. The question is, in light of all other evidence, or lack thereof, is it a reason to kill someone.I'll say no. Whether he did indeed have his nose broken by Martin or not. There just isn't a lot of info to back up his claims of a severe beating (to date). The fact that his brother went so far as to claim he could fear for his life if confronted with chapstick and a toothpick gets to the root of this. He clearly is a man that shouldn't have a gun in his possession.. And he doesn't even suffer from the depression and rage that George does, nor take the meds that might have exacerbating side effects... so far as we know.

You just asked for "evidence of blunt force trauma" which does exist. Nobody but George Zimmerman knows how much fear he felt at that moment.

 

[Guest]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.