Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

It may be, it may not. The question is, in light of all other evidence, or lack thereof, is it a reason to kill someone.I'll say no. Whether he did indeed have his nose broken by Martin or not. There just isn't a lot of info to back up his claims of a severe beating (to date). The fact that his brother went so far as to claim he could fear for his life if confronted with chapstick and a toothpick gets to the root of this. He clearly is a man that shouldn't have a gun in his possession.. And he doesn't even suffer from the depression and rage that George does, nor take the meds that might have exacerbating side effects... so far as we know.

Serious question; what kind of injuries would Zimmerman need to have to justify self-defense, in your opinion?I don't have a dog in this fight, but like many here, I was skeptical to begin with that Martin had even assualtrd Zimmerman in any way. It's starting to look more and more like Martin did indeed get some shots in. At the very least, that fact seems to add some credibility to Zimmerman's assertion that he felt his life was in danger.

 

[Guest]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

You obviously haven't followed my posts in this thread. I believe Zimmerman should have at least remained in custody for a time after the incident, and that he holds some responsibility for Martin's death simply for the fact that he followed him. In my opinion Zimmerman at the very least an idiot. My comments are only about the injuries shown in the picture.Are you telling me the area I pointed to in the picture does not look like a bruise and a laceration?

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

You obviously haven't followed my posts in this thread. I believe Zimmerman should have at least remained in custody for a time after the incident, and that he holds some responsibility for Martin's death simply for the fact that he followed him. In my opinion Zimmerman at the very least an idiot. My comments are only about the injuries shown in the picture.Are you telling me the area I pointed to in the picture does not look like a bruise and a laceration?

Yes, that is exactly what I am telling you. There is what looks like a scratch; i.e. nothing deep, jagged or torn. There is most definitely not a bruise seeing as the picture was allegedly taken immediately after the altercation. How would a bruise be visible so soon, in your estimation?

 

[meatwad1]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

It may be, it may not. The question is, in light of all other evidence, or lack thereof, is it a reason to kill someone.I'll say no. Whether he did indeed have his nose broken by Martin or not. There just isn't a lot of info to back up his claims of a severe beating (to date). The fact that his brother went so far as to claim he could fear for his life if confronted with chapstick and a toothpick gets to the root of this. He clearly is a man that shouldn't have a gun in his possession.. And he doesn't even suffer from the depression and rage that George does, nor take the meds that might have exacerbating side effects... so far as we know.

Serious question; what kind of injuries would Zimmerman need to have to justify self-defense, in your opinion?I don't have a dog in this fight, but like many here, I was skeptical to begin with that Martin had even assualtrd Zimmerman in any way. It's starting to look more and more like Martin did indeed get some shots in. At the very least, that fact seems to add some credibility to Zimmerman's assertion that he felt his life was in danger.

Nobody here has a dog in this fight, really. But here's the thing; we only really have one voice from someone who was involved in the altercation. Why, if Zimmerman legitimately felt his life was in danger did he also feel the need to make some aspects of his story up? Why the statement to the cops about Martin circling his car prior to any pursuit? Why the hyperbole and histrionics of the story of Martin pinning him to the ground and covering his mouth with one hand while wailing upon him with the other, and still expecting the public to believe they were his screams of "help" and "no" (leaving aside what the experts have concluded)? Why did his brother and father feel the need to dramatize the situation as much as they did? Based on what little we have seen it just doesnt add up. I would expect, if it were me, that I would actually have injuries that were life threatening. I would expect that I would get the proper medical treatment immediately, rather than waiting to see my family practioner after a night like that. I would expect my family to remain dignified in the face of scrutiny.

Then again I'm not George Zimmerman, and only he knows what was going on in his mind. We can only guess based on his words and actions; neither of which come across as particularly persuasive or impressive.

But at least he has a voice.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Nobody here has a dog in this fight, really. But here's the thing; we only really have one voice from someone who was involved in the altercation. Why, if Zimmerman legitimately felt his life was in danger did he also feel the need to make some aspects of his story up? Why the statement to the cops about Martin circling his car prior to any pursuit? Why the hyperbole and histrionics of the story of Martin pinning him to the ground and covering his mouth with one hand while wailing upon him with the other, and still expecting the public to believe they were his screams of "help" and "no" (leaving aside what the experts have concluded)? Why did his brother and father feel the need to dramatize the situation as much as they did? Based on what little we have seen it just doesnt add up. I would expect, if it were me, that I would actually have injuries that were life threatening. I would expect that I would get the proper medical treatment immediately, rather than waiting to see my family practioner after a night like that. I would expect my family to remain dignified in the face of scrutiny. Then again I'm not George Zimmerman, and only he knows what was going on in his mind. We can onlly guess based on his words and actions; neither of which come across as particularly persuasive or impressive. But at least he has a voice.

I agree; there is a lot about Zimmerman's story that doesn't add up. I guess I just don't see the injuries "or lack of" as being as being a nullification for self-defense. If I was in a school-yard or bar-brawl type fight, I'd expect my mindset to be that of not even considering the need for lethal action... unless something just went haywire. On the other hand, if some "suspicious" stranger is putting a whooping on me in a neighbor's dark backyard, I'd be more inclined to use lethal force prior to letting the situation continue to escalate.However... even the problem with what I said is that none of this would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't been playing neighborhood cop; that factor definitely shifts some of the responsibility to him.

 

[Neofight]

Nobody here has a dog in this fight, really. But here's the thing; we only really have one voice from someone who was involved in the altercation. Why, if Zimmerman legitimately felt his life was in danger did he also feel the need to make some aspects of his story up? Why the statement to the cops about Martin circling his car prior to any pursuit? Why the hyperbole and histrionics of the story of Martin pinning him to the ground and covering his mouth with one hand while wailing upon him with the other, and still expecting the public to believe they were his screams of "help" and "no" (leaving aside what the experts have concluded)? Why did his brother and father feel the need to dramatize the situation as much as they did? Based on what little we have seen it just doesnt add up. I would expect, if it were me, that I would actually have injuries that were life threatening. I would expect that I would get the proper medical treatment immediately, rather than waiting to see my family practioner after a night like that. I would expect my family to remain dignified in the face of scrutiny. Then again I'm not George Zimmerman, and only he knows what was going on in his mind. We can onlly guess based on his words and actions; neither of which come across as particularly persuasive or impressive. But at least he has a voice.

I agree; there is a lot about Zimmerman's story that doesn't add up. I guess I just don't see the injuries "or lack of" as being as being a nullification for self-defense. If I was in a school-yard or bar-brawl type fight, I'd expect my mindset to be that of not even considering the need for lethal action... unless something just went haywire. On the other hand, if some "suspicious" stranger is putting a whooping on me in a neighbor's dark backyard, I'd be more inclined to use lethal force prior to letting the situation continue to escalate.However... even the problem with what I said is that none of this would have happened if Zimmerman hadn't been playing neighborhood cop; that factor definitely shifts some of the responsibility to him.

I don't think you and I see things very differently. I would add, though, that Zimmerman was obviously prejudiced and passing judgement on Martin from the beginning. Why is not really as important to me as the simple fact that he was pissed and wanted to do something about it. This, coupled with -- what just about every poster in this thread has admitted -- the fact that Zimmerman acted like an idiot, doesn't lead me to give him any benefit of the doubt. He just doesn't seem like a person who routinely makes good decisions, particularly when he is angry. I don't think he is capable of acting responsibly in stressful situations, based on what we know of his past.

 

[meatwad1]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

 

[TexanFan02]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

 

[Neofight]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

He got to his favorite part then forgot how to read.

 

[meatwad1]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

He got to his favorite part then forgot how to read.

BARNIKLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[culdeus]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

So at this point anyone for Martin is liberal and anyone for the shooter is not? Just checking.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

Pretty amazing that this thread is finding new ways to get worse after 240 pages.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

Crickets.....exactly what a person expects to hear from bigoted libs when the evidence doesn't fit their manufactured narrative.

Pretty amazing that this thread is finding new ways to get worse after 240 pages.

its like a social experiment gone awry

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I have no idea what you are trying to imply; I did not say a laceration does "mean" blunt trauma, as if the words were synonyms. But two things: Zimmerman and his family did indeed claim he suffered blunt trauma to his head, and yes, a laceration is usually caused by a blunt trauma.

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

You're hilarious..

#1, there is a picture that clearly shows wounds and blood on the back of Zimmermans head.

#2, the doctors report also details the injuries..

Yet you try to act like there were no injuries.. Is that fake blood on the back of his head? And a Halloween store wound? Maybe he and the doctor planned this out in advance..

You insist that a laceration is caused by "blunt force trauma".. The doctor and the pictures show lacerations.. Then you ask where the evidence of "blunt force trauma" is.. Haven't you answered your own question?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

Doctor's report?Also the coroner's report states that Martin had injuries to his knuckles "WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died."

My link

He's either fishing, or he's mentally challenged..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

Doctor's report?Also the coroner's report states that Martin had injuries to his knuckles "WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died."

My link

You're going in circles here. We know what Zimmerman's doctor said. That's great and it is clear he chose his words carefully- but where is the physical evidence of torn or jagged wounds on Zimmerman's head? Where is the swelling from having his head slammed into the ground multiple times? Where is the image showing a man that looks like his head was being mistreated to the point where he might need to wear diapers for the rest of his life, being spoon fed by his brother? We have all seen the pictures and yet there is no evidence of any of this.ETA:

From the article you linked:

But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin's knuckle injury.

“It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself,” Sheaffer said.

I'm curious to hear what else was contained in that autopsy. I understand, of course, that some may be satisfied with whatever the defense leaks from it.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

The laughs just keep on coming.. Please. educate us further Dr Neo..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there. No stitches, no concussion. Looks like a scratch (though Carolina Hustler's #### may disagree).

Honestly, do you think a man beaten as severely as Zimmerman and his family claim he was would walk away with a flesh wound like this? He seemed perfectly normal in the video. What happened to the labored breathing, the PTSD-like shock, the nausea? The best explanation for those symptoms are the side effects of the drugs he had been taking. Hell, he was breathing hard after a few paces following Martin.

Is not a broken nose evidence of "blunt force trauma"?

It may be, it may not. The question is, in light of all other evidence, or lack thereof, is it a reason to kill someone.I'll say no. Whether he did indeed have his nose broken by Martin or not. There just isn't a lot of info to back up his claims of a severe beating (to date). The fact that his brother went so far as to claim he could fear for his life if confronted with chapstick and a toothpick gets to the root of this. He clearly is a man that shouldn't have a gun in his possession.. And he doesn't even suffer from the depression and rage that George does, nor take the meds that might have exacerbating side effects... so far as we know.

Tell me when you're finished making baseless, uneducated stabs in the dark..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

You obviously haven't followed my posts in this thread. I believe Zimmerman should have at least remained in custody for a time after the incident, and that he holds some responsibility for Martin's death simply for the fact that he followed him. In my opinion Zimmerman at the very least an idiot. My comments are only about the injuries shown in the picture.Are you telling me the area I pointed to in the picture does not look like a bruise and a laceration?

Yes, that is exactly what I am telling you. There is what looks like a scratch; i.e. nothing deep, jagged or torn. There is most definitely not a bruise seeing as the picture was allegedly taken immediately after the altercation. How would a bruise be visible so soon, in your estimation?

How long does it take to have a bruise doc?

 

[Jackstraw]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

See cuz Trayvon doesn't get to stand his ground. Only counts for NRA members I think.

 

[jon_mx]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

See cuz Trayvon doesn't get to stand his ground. Only counts for NRA members I think.

Or don't pound in the face of an armed man. HTH.

 

[Tuco]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

 

[mad sweeney]

A broken nose justifies a gun shot to the chest?

Whats Travon's autopsy report say?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

Broken skin on his knuckles. Yeah...nothing to see here, he was just standing around eating Skittles while Zimm got up behind him and shot him.

See cuz Trayvon doesn't get to stand his ground. Only counts for NRA members I think.

You only get to be scared for your life against black guys. Black guys being doggedly followed by a stranger don't get to fear for their lives nor take actions to protect themselves.

 

[Class Dismissed]

I once sneezed and busted a nut.

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

Sweetheart, you are like a teenage girl who doesn't know what she doesn't know. And for that I love you.

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

 

[Charlie Frown]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

 

[timschochet]

My older brother told me once that if you sneeze with your eyes open your eyeballs will pop out. He told me that when I was 7, and I've never chanced it...

 

[Neofight]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

Could have been a sneezing fit.. PMSLMAO

 

[Carolina Hustler]

My older brother told me once that if you sneeze with your eyes open your eyeballs will pop out. He told me that when I was 7, and I've never chanced it...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So where is the evidence of the blunt trauma?

My linkWas that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

You're a pisser.. Please tell me more..

 

[Neofight]

My link

Was that a serious question?

Yes. Please show me the evidence of torn, jagged wounds and/or swelling. It isn't there.

I am afraid I can't help you. Show that picture to 10 doctors, and 10 will call it a "laceration". Would you not call that swelling and bruising in the area I have pointed to with the arrow?Again, if you don't see it, it is because you are choosing not to, and I can't help you.

You went so far as to edit the photo with an arrow pointing to what you see as swelling, yet I am the one who sees what they want to? You can't help me because you can't help yourself and the attachment you have to your version of justice.

Do you honestly believe that his head was being slammed to the ground multiple times, and that he was nearly unconscious? Based on your photo and his treatment, what leads you to think that if so?

You can break your nose sneezing hard or blowing it, btw. It doesn't take much force at all. But it may be enough to warrant killing someone in some people's eyes.

v

My goodness. What an embarrassing response by Neofight.

Well I'm glad you had a chance to weigh in. Do you think cartilage in the nose requires much pressure to break? Ever had yours broken?

I doubt you can break your nose by simply sneezing but I'm too lazy too look it up now. Right now the evidence we have seems to indicate Zimmerman was struck in the nose by Martin at some point.

I would guess that Zimmerman was struck. The point was that it takes little for something like a septum to fracture. A friend in college broke his sneezing into his elbow (as we were all taught to do in school). I also had a cousin who, I #### you not, stuck a peanut M&M up her nostril on a dare. She fractured her nasal bone trying to forcefully sneezes it out. Anecdotal or not, noses are easily broken.So, would you shoot someone over that?

You're a pisser.. Please tell me more..

A good friend of mine had a testicular torsion a few years back -- this is where the spermatic cord to one of your balls twists -- and his scrotum swelled to the size of a grapefruit.With your penchant for scratching your nuts frequently, I'm guessing your sack would look something like Zimmerman's head were this to happen to you.

On a side note: Gold Bonds.

 

[Balco]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

 

[TexanFan02]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Exactly.

 

[jonessed]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

 

[TexanFan02]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

He's right.

 

[Balco]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

 

[Balco]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

 

[Neofight]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

I think there are a few things we can glean about his mindset based on his comments from those tapes.

 

[TexanFan02]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

 

[Balco]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Yes, that is correct.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Yes, that is correct.

Hey , you get pie eyed drunk and get into a car , with no other thought than to get home and you crash into a family or 4 and kill them, its Vehicular homicide . Thats a crime ...period

 

[Balco]

I think its funny that people are arguing over injuries. Its become rather obvious to anyone who`s been following this case that there was a fight that lead to a shooting.All anyone has to do is watch the tape of zimmerman walking thru the police station like he was arrested for jaywalking.If that doesnt tell you that his injuries were NOT life threatening or even remotely as severe as people were lead to believe than nothing will. Its his defense that he was fighting for his life, thats the real debate , and judging by the injuries the answer , IMO , is no.If there was no gun involved its pretty reasonable to assume nobody would be dead right now.

Hi defense was that he feared for his life, and injuries have no bearing on this. They can buttress the defense, but they are not necessary.

if you and i got into a fist fight and i had a gun and you didnt im pretty sure its YOU who would be in fear of your life, not me.

Could be. Not sure that has anything to do with the Martin/Zimmerman situation though. I just wanted to clear the bolded up. It's not whether you or I thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't have been in fear for his life, it's whether Zimmerman reasonably believed his life was in danger.This is not a 2nd degree murder case, IMO. Manslaughter would be more appropriate, although not even sure they can get a conviction on that.

I just saw a guy get acquitted of murder (and manslaughter 1 and 2) for shooting another guy who did not have a weapon of any kind.

I have friends that carry handguns and they have balls as big as texas, they fear nothing. They have the attitude that if they need to use the gun its right where they want it.So im pretty sure zimmermans mindset was alot different than treys heading into that situation.

I don't think you or I know anything about Zimmerman's mindset. That will come out in his testimony though, I am sure.I don't have an extreme view one way or the other here. I think Zimmerman was an absolute fool to not just call the police. But being a fool in no way makes you guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Murdering someone does.

Yes, that is correct.

Hey , you get pie eyed drunk and get into a car , with no other thought than to get home and you crash into a family or 4 and kill them, its Vehicular homicide . Thats a crime ...period

Yes, that is a crime. Not understanding your point here as it relates to the current case.