Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[pantherclub]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

Treyvon Martin... How would the SYG law stand to protect Treyvon? If Treyvon had noticed he was being followed, and if he elected to flee his pursuer he would have every right to do so. He would also have every right to turn and to confront his pursuer. That would be “standing your ground.” So the rumored testimony of this eyewitness who said he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Treyvon pummeling him does not necessarily implicate Treyvon. If he was standing his ground he was acting within the law.

Right. What if zimmy pulled the gun on him before the fight started

 

[TexanFan02]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

Treyvon Martin... How would the SYG law stand to protect Treyvon? If Treyvon had noticed he was being followed, and if he elected to flee his pursuer he would have every right to do so. He would also have every right to turn and to confront his pursuer. That would be “standing your ground.” So the rumored testimony of this eyewitness who said he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Treyvon pummeling him does not necessarily implicate Treyvon. If he was standing his ground he was acting within the law.

Right. What if zimmy pulled the gun on him before the fight started

Murder 2.

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

+1Ok, I see you pointing a gun at me, now I am going to walk up to you and punch you in the face, causing you to fall down so I can jump on top of you and rather than wrestle the gun away from you I think I will just continue beating on you and slamming your head into the sidewalk hoping you won't shoot me at close range.Doesn't add up.

 

[jon_mx]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

Treyvon Martin... How would the SYG law stand to protect Treyvon? If Treyvon had noticed he was being followed, and if he elected to flee his pursuer he would have every right to do so. He would also have every right to turn and to confront his pursuer. That would be “standing your ground.” So the rumored testimony of this eyewitness who said he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Treyvon pummeling him does not necessarily implicate Treyvon. If he was standing his ground he was acting within the law.

Despite your best efforts, you fail to realize being suspicious of someone and following them is not illegal. Annoying yes, but not illegal. Beating someone's face in, is illegal and can potentially do serious harm to the individual. Your lame attempts to redefine what SYG means is pointless.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The fishing trips in this thread were better in the first 30 pages.

 

[TexanFan02]

The fishing trips in this thread were better in the first 30 pages.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

Treyvon Martin... How would the SYG law stand to protect Treyvon? If Treyvon had noticed he was being followed, and if he elected to flee his pursuer he would have every right to do so. He would also have every right to turn and to confront his pursuer. That would be “standing your ground.” So the rumored testimony of this eyewitness who said he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Treyvon pummeling him does not necessarily implicate Treyvon. If he was standing his ground he was acting within the law.

Despite your best efforts, you fail to realize being suspicious of someone and following them is not illegal. Annoying yes, but not illegal. Beating someone's face in, is illegal and can potentially do serious harm to the individual. Your lame attempts to redefine what SYG means is pointless.

You have no idea what zimmerman may have done beyond following one of the #######s that always get away. Me saying that treyvon could very well have been within his rights to stand HIS ground is as viable an option as zimmerman saying it. What a great thing for zimmy to be able to have only his version of what happened count.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So where are we at here?

Can anyone (who isn't a complete idiot and yes, I know that eliminates most of you in this thread) give a brief summary of where this is at?

The judge, prosecution and defense all seem comfortable delaying matters. This may be to help the media lose interest. It seems to be working. Some predict a trial in late 2013.The Zimmermans and Martins have launched web sites to raise money. Discovery by the prosecution is expected to complete sometime in August. They have missed every due date but no one is complaining. It's been trickling in with no smoking guns. After that the defense will be given a similar amount of time for discovery. It will take months. They have stated this is an SYG case, so they will be filing a motion to dismiss sometime after discovery.The defense has asked the current judge to step down because Zimmerman feels he cannot give him a fair trial given some of the things he's said and written. Judge Lester is on vacation and has about two weeks to decide if he should stay with the case or recuse himself. Everything else is awaiting that decision. If he stays the defense may appeal the decision to try to have another court replace him. The judge may also throw George back in the clink for violating bond by contacting the Martins during a television interview. That would be funny. It's all funny, but I'm trying not be a complete idiot.

Thank you.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What if I didn't want to give the robber my wallet.. He has a gun, and the intent is either to use it on me if I refuse, or to make me think he will.. So, if I don't want to give him my wallet, and because of that he would shoot me, am I allowed to shot him?

When someone points a gun at you, that's a threat.. A threat with deadly force. You are at that point certainly allowed to defend yourself with deadly force..

Sweeney's implied assertion is ridiculous..

I expect his response to this post to be equally ridiculous..

"what if he pointed the gun at you on accident?"

"What if your friend pointed a gun at you while cleaning it unintentionally?, Is that a threat?"

If I have a gun, and you point a gun at me during a robbery, better bet you're getting shot if I have the chance...

What implied assertion is that? I used the word' accidentally' because it was in the article posted. I should have expected you to only read into it what you wanted and completely miss the point. I said it depended on the tone or attitude or disposition of the robbers whether it not I would appreciate some yahoo turning a robbery into a shootout. But you're so dedicated to being stupid you can't even figure that out. You'd rather just go off into hyperbole land.

Anyone willing to shoot someone who threatens them with a gun is a "yahoo" now.. Gotcha..Pointing a gun is all it takes.. That's enough.. If he's pointing a gun, he's dangerous. 'maybe if everyone does what he says, he won't shoot anyone'.. Well bud, 'Maybe' doesn't cut it for me. 'Maybe' he will shoot someone regardless.. He's obviously outside of reasonable thought if he's going to run into a public place waiving a gun.. What if he says he wants your wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter to come with him.. What if he decides after doing what he said, he's going to shoot the witnesses anyway.. What if he gets nervous and accidentally shoots someone..? As soon as that gun comes out, the situation deserves action..

You "got" nothing. You clearly (and unsurprisingly) still don't get it. For all your cries about hyperbolic reactions to your posts, you can't even go one post without taking a supposition or statement to an extreme. Clearly then police procedure and gun tactical classes must surely teach to instantly fire at anyone with a gun no matter the odds or number of civilians around. Gotcha.

Lol.. You're a pisser..Go point a gun at a policeman and see if you get shot.. Guarantee you get shot..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

"Is there anything that you would have done differently in retrospect?""No sir." Try this one... "I should have stayed in the car and let the police do their job."

Seriously - WTF.Try: "I wish I would have never seen him."Try: "I wish we could have both walked away from this."Does this guy have any remorse what-so-ever?

Was the interviewer a genie? What with all the wishing? Did zimmy rub a lamp?

 

[TexanFan02]

"Is there anything that you would have done differently in retrospect?""No sir." Try this one... "I should have stayed in the car and let the police do their job."

Seriously - WTF.Try: "I wish I would have never seen him."Try: "I wish we could have both walked away from this."Does this guy have any remorse what-so-ever?

Was the interviewer a genie? What with all the wishing? Did zimmy rub a lamp?

"I'd shoot the black punk all over again." O'Mara and Hannity kick him during commercial break, he tries to "clarify". Insane lying POS. Chair's too good for him.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

If that was beating the life outa someone i should have been in jail for attempted murder 100 times over hahaha.Im not insulting you , just take the time you took to find that crap out about treyvon, and find out the truth. Half that stuff you posted is Internet hearsay (people went so far as to post pics that werent even treyvon , just to disparage him)and the other half is easily explained or isnt as bad it appears to be (suspensions for example).

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

If that was beating the life outa someone i should have been in jail for attempted murder 100 times over hahaha.Im not insulting you , just take the time you took to find that crap out about treyvon, and find out the truth. Half that stuff you posted is Internet hearsay (people went so far as to post pics that werent even treyvon , just to disparage him)and the other half is easily explained or isnt as bad it appears to be (suspensions for example).

If you knock people unconscious as you're beating on them then yes I think you should be in jail.

 

[cstu]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

 

[mad sweeney]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

link?

 

[mad sweeney]

What if I didn't want to give the robber my wallet.. He has a gun, and the intent is either to use it on me if I refuse, or to make me think he will.. So, if I don't want to give him my wallet, and because of that he would shoot me, am I allowed to shot him?

When someone points a gun at you, that's a threat.. A threat with deadly force. You are at that point certainly allowed to defend yourself with deadly force..

Sweeney's implied assertion is ridiculous..

I expect his response to this post to be equally ridiculous..

"what if he pointed the gun at you on accident?"

"What if your friend pointed a gun at you while cleaning it unintentionally?, Is that a threat?"

If I have a gun, and you point a gun at me during a robbery, better bet you're getting shot if I have the chance...

What implied assertion is that? I used the word' accidentally' because it was in the article posted. I should have expected you to only read into it what you wanted and completely miss the point. I said it depended on the tone or attitude or disposition of the robbers whether it not I would appreciate some yahoo turning a robbery into a shootout. But you're so dedicated to being stupid you can't even figure that out. You'd rather just go off into hyperbole land.

Anyone willing to shoot someone who threatens them with a gun is a "yahoo" now.. Gotcha..Pointing a gun is all it takes.. That's enough.. If he's pointing a gun, he's dangerous. 'maybe if everyone does what he says, he won't shoot anyone'.. Well bud, 'Maybe' doesn't cut it for me. 'Maybe' he will shoot someone regardless.. He's obviously outside of reasonable thought if he's going to run into a public place waiving a gun.. What if he says he wants your wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter to come with him.. What if he decides after doing what he said, he's going to shoot the witnesses anyway.. What if he gets nervous and accidentally shoots someone..? As soon as that gun comes out, the situation deserves action..

You "got" nothing. You clearly (and unsurprisingly) still don't get it. For all your cries about hyperbolic reactions to your posts, you can't even go one post without taking a supposition or statement to an extreme. Clearly then police procedure and gun tactical classes must surely teach to instantly fire at anyone with a gun no matter the odds or number of civilians around. Gotcha.

Lol.. You're a pisser..Go point a gun at a policeman and see if you get shot.. Guarantee you get shot..

That's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Nice attempt to move the goalposts though.

 

[mad sweeney]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

If that was beating the life outa someone i should have been in jail for attempted murder 100 times over hahaha.Im not insulting you , just take the time you took to find that crap out about treyvon, and find out the truth. Half that stuff you posted is Internet hearsay (people went so far as to post pics that werent even treyvon , just to disparage him)and the other half is easily explained or isnt as bad it appears to be (suspensions for example).

If you knock people unconscious as you're beating on them then yes I think you should be in jail.

Oh, so being knocked unconscious is now equal to getting the life beaten out of you. Good to know.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

If that was beating the life outa someone i should have been in jail for attempted murder 100 times over hahaha.Im not insulting you , just take the time you took to find that crap out about treyvon, and find out the truth. Half that stuff you posted is Internet hearsay (people went so far as to post pics that werent even treyvon , just to disparage him)and the other half is easily explained or isnt as bad it appears to be (suspensions for example).

If you knock people unconscious as you're beating on them then yes I think you should be in jail.

Oh, so being knocked unconscious is now equal to getting the life beaten out of you. Good to know.

It is when they don't stop.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

link?

Sure let me queue up the streaming video for you. I guess the duration of screams of help, the injuries, and the short range gunshot are not enough for you. Adds another to ignore.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

 

[TexanFan02]

Too bad his statements don't add up or jibe with each other. You're also conveniently leaving out Zimmerman's own violent past, history of deceiving the court, mental health and meds and you're acting as if he's some totally innocent, unassuming honest watchman.

I've stated time and again Zimmerman has problems, it doesn't change the fact that Martin was beating the life out of him when he shot him.

link?

Sure let me queue up the streaming video for you. I guess the duration of screams of help, the injuries, and the short range gunshot are not enough for you. Adds another to ignore.

Posts unsubstantiated "facts". Ignores all who question him.

 

[B-Deep]

I always wanted to be post 15325

that is my lucky number!

(which sucks when I am playing craps)

 

[pantherclub]

+1Ok, I see you pointing a gun at me, now I am going to walk up to you and punch you in the face, causing you to fall down so I can jump on top of you and rather than wrestle the gun away from you I think I will just continue beating on you and slamming your head into the sidewalk hoping you won't shoot me at close range.Doesn't add up.

sure it does

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

 

[BustedKnuckles]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

 

[TexanFan02]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

Gold caps? Clearly he deserved to die.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

Answer my question, what is exaggerated or a rumor?

 

[TexanFan02]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

Answer my question, what is exaggerated or a rumor?

Who cares?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

 

[TexanFan02]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

At Jojo turning into *almost* as big a joke as Carolina Hustler.

 

[TexanFan02]

Would this face lie?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

Answer my question, what is exaggerated or a rumor?

everything you posted above has been addressed waaay back ...im not doing it again just for you...believe what you want to believe

 

[Boom Switch]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

The dude was ghetto and up to no good. Game, blouses....

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

debunked

translation: I'm not going to answer each of your points because you are right

Let us know when you come up with something new. Or keep posting unsubstantiated rumor and claiming you're "right". Or read the thread from the beginning. These are your choices.

What is unsubstantiated about a friend sending him public messages about "pick up the phone" "we got business to talk" "...need a plant", I listed my sources. Or about his brother commenting on taking a swing at a bus driver? Oh I get it, since he was never arrested for those incidents then they never happened. Did he have a job to pay for those tats and gold caps?Removing all of his social media accounts just makes Martin and his family look shady. What are they hiding? Pictures of him showing off all of his tats and gold caps? Maybe that is why they released a picture of him that is over a year old that makes him look more innocent?

How many people here:

A) Ever been suspended from high school

B) Received a 10-day suspension

C) Had multiple tattoos at the age of 17

D) Had gold caps in their teeth at the age of 17

He was no angel.

The only thing this does is back up my theory that Trayvon initiated the fight with Zimmerman. That doesn't mean Zimmerman should have shot him but with the law what it is he will likely walk.

Correct, I think this case is pretty cut and dry unless some substantial evidence comes forward. I was posting it mostly to see the responses from the pro-Martin people since I have seen a few posts painting the picture of some innocent kid going to buy skittles without providing a proper back-history of his past.

so internet rumors and exaggerated stories are now proper back history?

What is a rumor or exaggerated in the two links in this quoted post? Did Martin used to have Facebook, MySpace and Twitter accounts? Were they all removed by his family (essentially destroying evidence that leads to his character)? Legally they might have been allowed to remove all of those accounts without consequence, but it is a very shady thing to do especially after releasing a photo from over a year ago sans tats and gold caps, unless you have confirmation that the photo I am talking about is not a year old.Pro-Martin article that shows same picture with gold caps, does not dispute it:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

wow...how sad you are here

Answer my question, what is exaggerated or a rumor?

everything you posted above has been addressed waaay back ...im not doing it again just for you...believe what you want to believe

and yet instead of taking 2 seconds to recall what is wrong with those two links you dismiss them, you're a joke.

 

[fatness]

George Zimmerman wants out of Seminole County

George Zimmerman wants to change the terms of his probation that require him to live in Seminole County while he awaits trial.His lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said one main concern is money. He said Seminole County is the most dangerous place for Zimmerman to live, and the cost of round-the-clock security is draining the defense fund. "We're preparing to file a motion to modify George's bond to allow him to move out of Seminole County," said O'Mara.

If the money continues to go out faster than it comes in, the next step will be to declare him indigent. "It has around $40,000 to $50,000 in it -- not as much coming in, and it's draining off due to things like providing security," he said. Zimmerman posted a $1 million bond a little more than three weeks ago. O'Mara said Zimmerman's much-talked-about interview failed to generate donations.

Criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby said it's time for Zimmerman to cut costs, and he questions whether all that security is necessary.

His lawyer wants money, and it's not pouring in any longer. Poor George. Maybe a bake sale? Raffle?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

my link

Guns=good

 

[mad sweeney]

my link

Guns=good

Looks like the guy used common sense, restraint and safe gun use against a guy who was actually in the process of killing people. As opposed to shooting someone while being punched or opening fire (and missing) in a crowded area. Not comparable to the incidents we've discussed.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

my link

Guns=good

Looks like the guy used common sense, restraint and safe gun use against a guy who was actually in the process of killing people. As opposed to shooting someone while being punched or opening fire (and missing) in a crowded area. Not comparable to the incidents we've discussed.

All 3 well within their rights. Don't like it? There's the door. Btw he didn't miss.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Judge in George Zimmerman's Florida trial will not step down

(Reuters) - A Florida judge on Wednesday rejected a motion asking him to step down from the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, ruling the defense request was "legally insufficient."

"The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all," Lester wrote in his order.

He went on to rule that despite the factual basis of the allegations they were not sufficient to require that he recuse himself. "The court finds the motion to be legally insufficient," Lester wrote.

In his July 5 order raising Zimmerman's bond, Lester rejected arguments by O'Mara that Zimmerman posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling." Lester also said O'Mara attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out of a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

 

[Chaos Commish]

For pure entertainment value, I hope it's appealed.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Judge in George Zimmerman's Florida trial will not step down

(Reuters) - A Florida judge on Wednesday rejected a motion asking him to step down from the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, ruling the defense request was "legally insufficient."

"The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all," Lester wrote in his order.

He went on to rule that despite the factual basis of the allegations they were not sufficient to require that he recuse himself. "The court finds the motion to be legally insufficient," Lester wrote.

In his July 5 order raising Zimmerman's bond, Lester rejected arguments by O'Mara that Zimmerman posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling." Lester also said O'Mara attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out of a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

Seems the judge has this idiot zimmerman all figured out....its about time someone in charge puts an end to zimmys streak of beating the system.

 

[Witz]

Judge in George Zimmerman's Florida trial will not step down

(Reuters) - A Florida judge on Wednesday rejected a motion asking him to step down from the murder trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, ruling the defense request was "legally insufficient."

"The court is not permitted to deny the allegations supporting the motion as untrue, reject them as unfounded, or comment upon them at all," Lester wrote in his order.

He went on to rule that despite the factual basis of the allegations they were not sufficient to require that he recuse himself. "The court finds the motion to be legally insufficient," Lester wrote.

In his July 5 order raising Zimmerman's bond, Lester rejected arguments by O'Mara that Zimmerman posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling." Lester also said O'Mara attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out of a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

Seems the judge has this idiot zimmerman all figured out....its about time someone in charge puts an end to zimmys streak of beating the system.

So basically the judge is saying the allegations that he is biased against Zimmerman are true. Not sure how he remains the judge that presides over this trial. at zimmys streak of beating the system

This thread really does not fail to generate comedy gold.

 

[Witz]

I always wanted to be post 15325that is my lucky number!(which sucks when I am playing craps)

I thought the page count seemed lower than I remember. Looks like about 900 posts have been removed from this thread.

 

[Christo]

I always wanted to be post 15325that is my lucky number!(which sucks when I am playing craps)

I thought the page count seemed lower than I remember. Looks like about 900 posts have been removed from this thread.

Bye, bye, TexanFan02.oursouta40oz:

 

[jon_mx]

I always wanted to be post 15325that is my lucky number!(which sucks when I am playing craps)

I thought the page count seemed lower than I remember. Looks like about 900 posts have been removed from this thread.

Bye, bye, TexanFan02.oursouta40oz:

I wondered why every other post was not hidden anymore.

 

[Witz]

I always wanted to be post 15325that is my lucky number!(which sucks when I am playing craps)

I thought the page count seemed lower than I remember. Looks like about 900 posts have been removed from this thread.

Bye, bye, TexanFan02.oursouta40oz:

Wait - what happened to TexasFan02?

 

[greenroom]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter! Either way both were wrong, and to bad that Martin had to pay the price of his life for the actions started by Zimmerman.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This whole thread is turning into a "who cares?" since the pro-Martin folks refuse to admit that Martin was a troubled teen no matter how obvious it is. BLINDERS

Who Cares if Martin was a thug. The point is he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and provoked by Zimmerman. So the point to the last few pages is that the Stand your Ground does not apply to Martin, even though he felt threatened by Martin? Or that does not matter! Either way both were wrong, and to bad that Martin had to pay the price of his life for the actions started by Zimmerman.

agreed