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[Bri]

Maurile, why no love for Kurt with his WRs and new RB?

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I like Warner and have moved him up a bit, but my original thinking was that if Warner misses a game or two with injury (and he always does), Leinart could come in and do well and not give the position back.
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see: 2004 New York Giants and Eli Manning - he didnt even have to play well. The Giants even had a winning record when Eli took over.
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Heck, just look at Denny's history. He started playing musical QBs when Josh McCown was the starter (and only Cardinals QB to have won a game on the entire roster), and shuffled for half of a season before a non-McCown QB finally got a win.
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so when warner gets hurt another guy comes in ya mean? I don't understand your post
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I was referring to the 2004 and 2005 seasons.After week 10, Josh McCown was 4-5 as a starter, coming off of a win against New York. Denny yanked him from the starting lineup and started Shaun King in weeks 11 and 12 (both losses) and John Navarre in week 13 (also a loss) before finally returning to McCown for the rest of the season (McCown went 2-2 the rest of the way). Then, instead of learning his lesson, he yanked McCown again and started Kurt Warner for the beginning of next season. Warner started weeks 1, 2, and 3 (all losses) before getting injured. McCown then started weeks 4-8 and went 2-2 over that span (looking pretty good, in the process). Warner came back healthy again, and *AGAIN* McCown was yanked from the starting lineup for Warner, who lost two more games until he FINALLY won a game in week 11. Warner went 2-3 the rest of the way before he got injured again and McCown stepped in, taking the team to a 1-1 record over the final two games.

Final tally? 4 times was a healthy McCown snubbed as Green opted to start a different QB instead (Shaun King, John Navarre, Kurt Warner twice). At one point, Josh McCown was 8-9 and all other QBs combined were 0-8... yet McCown was STILL getting yanked from the starting lineup.

The only thing that Denny ever told to the press during any of the process was that he was much smarter than they were so they should just shut up and stop judging his decisions.

It just goes to show you- Warner doesn't have to play poorly for Denny Green to suddenly decide it's time to shake up his QB position. His history shows that he might start a new QB for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all.

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watching the games I did, I thought Warner had the unlucky priviledge of possibly throwing behind a line worse than Carr's both those years. The Cards line had a ton of injuries and I can't even begin to dissect if McCown played behind a better front five than Warner. I'd figure he did as that was the point in Denny trying so many different combinations. IIRC They started 4 different centers in 05. I'm not so sure I understand how the team record matters in FF though but....

 

[SSOG]

watching the games I did, I thought Warner had the unlucky priviledge of possibly throwing behind a line worse than Carr's both those years. The Cards line had a ton of injuries and I can't even begin to dissect if McCown played behind a better front five than Warner. I'd figure he did as that was the point in Denny trying so many different combinations. IIRC They started 4 different centers in 05.

I'm not so sure I understand how the team record matters in FF though but....

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The team's record doesn't matter. The team's starting QB most certainly does. I was simply trying to demonstrate that just because you THINK Green might be content to let Warner start doesn't mean he actually WILL be. Green has a history of shaking things up at the QB position for reasons which may elude the general public.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

also adding a much, much better receiving back in James

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This doesnt really factor in for me. Shipp and Arrington combined for 60 catches last year and ayanbadejo had another 34. There's more than enough room for Edge to get his in the passing game and not cut into the WR stats.
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it should somehow. I have no idea how but in the initial press conference it struck me as odd when Denny Green said how he improves their passing game. You'd have thought he'd say rushing but.... More yards? More set plays for him and the previous were "dumpoffs"? I'm not sure but definitely something interesting IMO

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Possibly HC Green was speaking about the production in the passing game.On a yardage basis, Arizona was #1 in the NFL, but they were just 12th (and tied with for teams down to 16th) in passing touchdowns with only 21.

That's one of the reasons Neil Rackers scored so many points - Red Zone ineffectiveness.

That could speak well for Leonard Pope.

 

[Bri]

watching the games I did, I thought Warner had the unlucky priviledge of possibly throwing behind a line worse than Carr's both those years. The Cards line had a ton of injuries and I can't even begin to dissect if McCown played behind a better front five than Warner. I'd figure he did as that was the point in Denny trying so many different combinations. IIRC They started 4 different centers in 05.

I'm not so sure I understand how the team record matters in FF though but....

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The team's record doesn't matter. The team's starting QB most certainly does. I was simply trying to demonstrate that just because you THINK Green might be content to let Warner start doesn't mean he actually WILL be. Green has a history of shaking things up at the QB position for reasons which may elude the general public.
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but you haven't given any other reason other than injury.

 

[Bri]

also adding a much, much better receiving back in James

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This doesnt really factor in for me. Shipp and Arrington combined for 60 catches last year and ayanbadejo had another 34. There's more than enough room for Edge to get his in the passing game and not cut into the WR stats.
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it should somehow. I have no idea how but in the initial press conference it struck me as odd when Denny Green said how he improves their passing game. You'd have thought he'd say rushing but.... More yards? More set plays for him and the previous were "dumpoffs"? I'm not sure but definitely something interesting IMO

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Possibly HC Green was speaking about the production in the passing game.On a yardage basis, Arizona was #1 in the NFL, but they were just 12th (and tied with for teams down to 16th) in passing touchdowns with only 21.

That's one of the reasons Neil Rackers scored so many points - Red Zone ineffectiveness.

That could speak well for Leonard Pope.

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Interesting point.IIRC Robert Smith didn't score many TDs. I guess you mean Edge getting them to the GL(or near) and the threat of him running in? Who do you think benefits from his presence then? Obviously, along this line of thought, it hurts Rackers.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

also adding a much, much better receiving back in James

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This doesnt really factor in for me. Shipp and Arrington combined for 60 catches last year and ayanbadejo had another 34. There's more than enough room for Edge to get his in the passing game and not cut into the WR stats.
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it should somehow. I have no idea how but in the initial press conference it struck me as odd when Denny Green said how he improves their passing game. You'd have thought he'd say rushing but.... More yards? More set plays for him and the previous were "dumpoffs"? I'm not sure but definitely something interesting IMO

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Possibly HC Green was speaking about the production in the passing game.On a yardage basis, Arizona was #1 in the NFL, but they were just 12th (and tied with for teams down to 16th) in passing touchdowns with only 21.

That's one of the reasons Neil Rackers scored so many points - Red Zone ineffectiveness.

That could speak well for Leonard Pope.

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Interesting point.IIRC Robert Smith didn't score many TDs. I guess you mean Edge getting them to the GL(or near) and the threat of him running in? Who do you think benefits from his presence then? Obviously, along this line of thought, it hurts Rackers.

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Since the Cardinals were terrible running the ball in last year, Edge is an immediate upgrade. However, that is not the Colts' O-line - so he will be working at a big disadvantage. Now that Edge is there, that gives 4 viable targets in a short yardage passing game for Warner - Edge, Fitz, Boldin and L. Pope.

Since their run game is abysmal, they almost have to throw in the red zone.

 

[Mike Anderson]

also adding a much, much better receiving back in James

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This doesnt really factor in for me. Shipp and Arrington combined for 60 catches last year and ayanbadejo had another 34. There's more than enough room for Edge to get his in the passing game and not cut into the WR stats.
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it should somehow. I have no idea how but in the initial press conference it struck me as odd when Denny Green said how he improves their passing game. You'd have thought he'd say rushing but.... More yards? More set plays for him and the previous were "dumpoffs"? I'm not sure but definitely something interesting IMO

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Possibly HC Green was speaking about the production in the passing game.On a yardage basis, Arizona was #1 in the NFL, but they were just 12th (and tied with for teams down to 16th) in passing touchdowns with only 21.

That's one of the reasons Neil Rackers scored so many points - Red Zone ineffectiveness.

That could speak well for Leonard Pope.

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Interesting point.IIRC Robert Smith didn't score many TDs. I guess you mean Edge getting them to the GL(or near) and the threat of him running in? Who do you think benefits from his presence then? Obviously, along this line of thought, it hurts Rackers.

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Smith's best year was 10. He averaged 4 a year over his career.It was Leroy Hoard that was punching in 10 a year as the Goal line back for Denny.

 

[Bri]

also adding a much, much better receiving back in James

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This doesnt really factor in for me. Shipp and Arrington combined for 60 catches last year and ayanbadejo had another 34. There's more than enough room for Edge to get his in the passing game and not cut into the WR stats.
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it should somehow. I have no idea how but in the initial press conference it struck me as odd when Denny Green said how he improves their passing game. You'd have thought he'd say rushing but.... More yards? More set plays for him and the previous were "dumpoffs"? I'm not sure but definitely something interesting IMO

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Possibly HC Green was speaking about the production in the passing game.On a yardage basis, Arizona was #1 in the NFL, but they were just 12th (and tied with for teams down to 16th) in passing touchdowns with only 21.

That's one of the reasons Neil Rackers scored so many points - Red Zone ineffectiveness.

That could speak well for Leonard Pope.

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Interesting point.IIRC Robert Smith didn't score many TDs. I guess you mean Edge getting them to the GL(or near) and the threat of him running in? Who do you think benefits from his presence then? Obviously, along this line of thought, it hurts Rackers.

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Smith's best year was 10. He averaged 4 a year over his career.It was Leroy Hoard that was punching in 10 a year as the Goal line back for Denny.

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That's puny and a concern of mine

 

[tonydead]

Bri....

I can confirm the "Owens will not catch 100 balls quote".

Saw the original PC.

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yeah I hunted it down, see post 81thanks though

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Did you just say Post #81? Now I am really freaked out. Huge year, huge year!!

 

[Donnybrook]

Taking a look at the QBs --

I just don't see why folks are pumping Palmer and Culpepper so high right now.  Palmer will be lucky to start the season, and Culpepper would be lucky to play at all this season.  Palmer, at least, didn't destroy his entire knee, and will definitely return before Culpepper.  But I still don't see how some could STILL rank him #2 overall.  Some were at least cautious with Culpepper, but as high as #11?!  

Granted, it's still WAY early, but man that doesn't seem right...

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Palmer @ 17, Culpepper @ 18 I wanted to rank them both (Certainly Culpepper) a lot lower. We need more info. The spin out of Miami is positive for Culpepper right now.

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Kitna @ 8.

Drugrunner is TERRIBLE at spelling, math, statistical analysis, remembering who is on bye this week, creating aliases, creating lists, sensing sarcasm and ranking QBs.

Fixed.

 

[softball]

To answer: 249 is the Highest number of carries Robert Smith ever had under Dennis Green.

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Wrong..Smith had 295 in 2000. Edge will get at least that many this year.
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You're funny!I did miss 200 on Denny and the 295.

But do you dismiss ALL those other years? When he doesn't hand the ball off?in 2000 Smith was the ONLY back of note on the team. All other years there were guys w/ over 100 carries in addition to the primary back.

Edge will get 275 top end.

You can ignore his history if you'd like. But it's to your Fantasy Detriment....

 

[Mike Anderson]

Taking a look at the QBs --

I just don't see why folks are pumping Palmer and Culpepper so high right now.  Palmer will be lucky to start the season, and Culpepper would be lucky to play at all this season.  Palmer, at least, didn't destroy his entire knee, and will definitely return before Culpepper.  But I still don't see how some could STILL rank him #2 overall.  Some were at least cautious with Culpepper, but as high as #11?!  

Granted, it's still WAY early, but man that doesn't seem right...

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Palmer @ 17, Culpepper @ 18 I wanted to rank them both (Certainly Culpepper) a lot lower. We need more info. The spin out of Miami is positive for Culpepper right now.

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Kitna @ 8.

Drugrunner is TERRIBLE at spelling, math, statistical analysis, remembering who is on bye this week, creating aliases, creating lists, sensing sarcasm and ranking QBs.

Fixed.
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I have Beldsoe @ 8. Kitna is 23. I believe you looked at the wrong Mike. However, it's been forever since the Sig was added to, we need to find something.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but why is Clinton Portis 4th in runningbacks ABOVE Tiki Barber but 5th in overall BELOW Tiki Barber?

Disconnect?

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My guess after just looking very quickly:Nobody ranked any non-RBs ahead of Barber, but one person ranked five non-RBs ahead of Portis. Therefore, Portis does worse on the overall list than he does on the RB list (relative to Barber).

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That makes me question this entire ranking system.

 

[SSOG]

watching the games I did, I thought Warner had the unlucky priviledge of possibly throwing behind a line worse than Carr's both those years. The Cards line had a ton of injuries and I can't even begin to dissect if McCown played behind a better front five than Warner. I'd figure he did as that was the point in Denny trying so many different combinations. IIRC They started 4 different centers in 05.

I'm not so sure I understand how the team record matters in FF though but....

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The team's record doesn't matter. The team's starting QB most certainly does. I was simply trying to demonstrate that just because you THINK Green might be content to let Warner start doesn't mean he actually WILL be. Green has a history of shaking things up at the QB position for reasons which may elude the general public.
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but you haven't given any other reason other than injury.
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Week 10, 2004. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Shaun King.Week 12, 2004. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up John Navarre.

Week 1, 2005. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Kurt Warner.

Week 11, 2005. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Kurt Warner.

I know I'm off with the exact weeks, but my point stands. Denny Green has shown no compunction against taking a PROVEN, ESTABLISHED, SUCCESSFUL starter (in this case, Josh McCown) and benching him in favor of the shiny penny on the bench (in this case, Shaun King, John Navarre, and Kurt Warner).

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but why is Clinton Portis 4th in runningbacks ABOVE Tiki Barber but 5th in overall BELOW Tiki Barber?

Disconnect?

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My guess after just looking very quickly:Nobody ranked any non-RBs ahead of Barber, but one person ranked five non-RBs ahead of Portis. Therefore, Portis does worse on the overall list than he does on the RB list (relative to Barber).

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That makes me question this entire ranking system.
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Come on, now. One point that you disagree with does not invalidate every other point. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, here.

 

[Donnybrook]

Taking a look at the QBs --

I just don't see why folks are pumping Palmer and Culpepper so high right now.  Palmer will be lucky to start the season, and Culpepper would be lucky to play at all this season.  Palmer, at least, didn't destroy his entire knee, and will definitely return before Culpepper.  But I still don't see how some could STILL rank him #2 overall.  Some were at least cautious with Culpepper, but as high as #11?!  

Granted, it's still WAY early, but man that doesn't seem right...

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Palmer @ 17, Culpepper @ 18 I wanted to rank them both (Certainly Culpepper) a lot lower. We need more info. The spin out of Miami is positive for Culpepper right now.

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Kitna @ 8.

Drugrunner is TERRIBLE at spelling, math, statistical analysis, remembering who is on bye this week, creating aliases, creating lists, sensing sarcasm and ranking QBs.

Fixed.
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I have Beldsoe @ 8. Kitna is 23. I believe you looked at the wrong Mike. However, it's been forever since the Sig was added to, we need to find something.

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[Bri]

watching the games I did, I thought Warner had the unlucky priviledge of possibly throwing behind a line worse than Carr's both those years. The Cards line had a ton of injuries and I can't even begin to dissect if McCown played behind a better front five than Warner. I'd figure he did as that was the point in Denny trying so many different combinations. IIRC They started 4 different centers in 05.

I'm not so sure I understand how the team record matters in FF though but....

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The team's record doesn't matter. The team's starting QB most certainly does. I was simply trying to demonstrate that just because you THINK Green might be content to let Warner start doesn't mean he actually WILL be. Green has a history of shaking things up at the QB position for reasons which may elude the general public.
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but you haven't given any other reason other than injury.
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Week 10, 2004. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Shaun King.Week 12, 2004. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up John Navarre.

Week 1, 2005. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Kurt Warner.

Week 11, 2005. HEALTHY Josh McCown backs up Kurt Warner.

I know I'm off with the exact weeks, but my point stands. Denny Green has shown no compunction against taking a PROVEN, ESTABLISHED, SUCCESSFUL starter (in this case, Josh McCown) and benching him in favor of the shiny penny on the bench (in this case, Shaun King, John Navarre, and Kurt Warner).

Warner openned the season as the starter. He got hurt McCown came in. When healthy, Warner returned to the lineup.

How does stating that the backup was h ealthy do anything for your argument here?

 

[SSOG]

Warner openned the season as the starter. He got hurt McCown came in. When healthy, Warner returned to the lineup.

How does stating that the backup was h ealthy do anything for your argument here?

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I'm talking about the fact that he was the backup in the first place. Well, not why Warner got the start at the beginning of the season, because I understand that Green was trying something new, but why Green put Warner back in after McCown had come back in and was successful.After week 8, the breakdown looked like this.

McCown- 89 of 153 (58%) for 1084 (7.08 ypa) with 6 TDs and 6 Ints. Team was 2-2.

Warner- 64 of 101 (63%) for 696 (6.89 ypa) with 1 TD and 2 Ints. Team was 0-3.

And of course, Warner got the start when he came back.

I admit that 2005 wasn't as puzzling as 2004. That's besides the point. My point is that Green has a history of changing QBs based on something other than actual game-day performance. He has already, in his two seasons, gone from McCown to King to Navarre to McCown to Warner (with, imo, little on-field justification for the all of the switches), and in my mind, there's nothing to prevent him from doing it from Warner to Leinart for a reason which I could not begin to comprehend.

 

[stedman]

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but why is Clinton Portis 4th in runningbacks ABOVE Tiki Barber but 5th in overall BELOW Tiki Barber?

Disconnect?

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My guess after just looking very quickly:Nobody ranked any non-RBs ahead of Barber, but one person ranked five non-RBs ahead of Portis. Therefore, Portis does worse on the overall list than he does on the RB list (relative to Barber).

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That makes me question this entire ranking system.
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I noticed the same thing but looks like it has been fixed. Initially Cecil Lammey's Overall ranking looked like it came from circa 2003. He did not have Fitz or LJ ranked. Holmes was #14 and Culpepper was #5. Most likely a problem with the upload.