footballscientist.com - KC Joyner (1 Viewer)

[Tiger Fan]

He's on the local radio station every week and is pretty impressive with his analysis on every nfl player.

Mainly I'm curious how accurate his projections (not rankings) are each season.

Anyone

 

[mlball77]

I think he may have had a column at Rotoworld for a brief stint. That said, I haven't read too much of his work... although the little I did was fairly interesting.

 

[Faust]

This is a little information about David Carr I saved from July / August 2005 that was from Rotoworld and an excerpt from KC Joyner:

observations from KC Joyner (taken from a column penned by Gregg Rosenthal):

David Carr is possibly the next great NFL QB."

"I don't mean he's the next Chad Pennington or Trent Green," Joyner writes. "I mean he's possibly the next Manning (Peyton, not Eli) or Culpepper. Just take a look at his numbers from last year ... He ranked fourth in yards per attempt, third in tight/good coverage percentage and fifth in bad decision percentage. ... Besides ranking in first in deep completion percentage, he also ranked fourth in accurate deep pass percentage and fourth in deep yards per attempt."

The numbers don't lie. Carr was smart, accurate and an effective deep passer. People seem to think he struggled in 2004, but even his fantasy numbers were solid. He threw for 3,500 yards and ran for 299 more in his third season. We truly believed last season that Carr was being completely held back by his terrible offensive line and receiver group, and these numbers back it up. No team has frustrated us more this off-season with their inactivity than the Texans. Carr looks like he has the potential to be great. But he may continue to be limited by Houston's secondary receivers (Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney) and their offensive line.

I intended to pick out some highlights from Joyner's whole book, but only got through Houston before running out of space. That's how stuffed his book is. There are surprising conclusions around every turn.

and this excerpt:

"Take David Carr for instance. I even say in my book, Scientific Football 2005, that he is one of the best talents in the NFL and does a terrific job on accuracy.

He has such a poor set of receivers that despite playing in the AFC South (a division that should award QBs frequent flyer miles) and having a very good No. 1 receiver in Andre Johnson, Carr still hits near the bottom of quarterbacks. "

Joyner was obviously a fan of David Carr. This season should be fairly telling if Carr can finally take that step forward.

 

[MLBrandow]

Joyner is by far the best football statistician.

If you're going to go blindly on someone's rankings... he's definitely the one to go. He watches every play of the regular season at least half a dozen times.

 

[perry147]

This is a little information about David Carr I saved from July / August 2005 that was from Rotoworld and an excerpt from KC Joyner:

observations from KC Joyner (taken from a column penned by Gregg Rosenthal):

David Carr is possibly the next great NFL QB."

"I don't mean he's the next Chad Pennington or Trent Green," Joyner writes. "I mean he's possibly the next Manning (Peyton, not Eli) or Culpepper. Just take a look at his numbers from last year ... He ranked fourth in yards per attempt, third in tight/good coverage percentage and fifth in bad decision percentage. ... Besides ranking in first in deep completion percentage, he also ranked fourth in accurate deep pass percentage and fourth in deep yards per attempt."

The numbers don't lie. Carr was smart, accurate and an effective deep passer. People seem to think he struggled in 2004, but even his fantasy numbers were solid. He threw for 3,500 yards and ran for 299 more in his third season. We truly believed last season that Carr was being completely held back by his terrible offensive line and receiver group, and these numbers back it up. No team has frustrated us more this off-season with their inactivity than the Texans. Carr looks like he has the potential to be great. But he may continue to be limited by Houston's secondary receivers (Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney) and their offensive line.

I intended to pick out some highlights from Joyner's whole book, but only got through Houston before running out of space. That's how stuffed his book is. There are surprising conclusions around every turn.

and this excerpt:

"Take David Carr for instance. I even say in my book, Scientific Football 2005, that he is one of the best talents in the NFL and does a terrific job on accuracy.

He has such a poor set of receivers that despite playing in the AFC South (a division that should award QBs frequent flyer miles) and having a very good No. 1 receiver in Andre Johnson, Carr still hits near the bottom of quarterbacks. "

Joyner was obviously a fan of David Carr. This season should be fairly telling if Carr can finally take that step forward.

He also has love for Kyle Boller. I bought his first the Scientific Football and he has a ton of stats but I do not think I would value his rankings above anypne elses.

 

[coolnerd]

Joyner is a smart guy who has made an attempt to quantify many things in football that quite honesty are probably not truly quantifiable and really often contradicts what experienced football person can see by watching the game. One of his problems is that he does not have a trained football eye. Using Carr as an example he claimed that Carr made a very high percentage of good decisions when trained football people question Carr's decision making (even when he is not looking skyward). It is a good attempt at doing something unique, but like many things that are cutting edge there are holes in theory and in Joyner's case too many for my personal taste.

 

[Ben Stiller]

I think the guy is an idiot. He has zero football background and is now into grading linemen on blocks, etc. Check out his archived articles on Scouts Inc. he is wrong much more often than he is right. Hig gig won't last long.

 

[MLBrandow]

He also has love for Kyle Boller. I bought his first the Scientific Football and he has a ton of stats but I do not think I would value his rankings above anypne elses.

Bet you a sig that Boller leads the Ravens to the Playoffs when McNair gets hurt.

 

[perry147]

He also has love for Kyle Boller. I bought his first the Scientific Football and he has a ton of stats but I do not think I would value his rankings above anypne elses.

Bet you a sig that Boller leads the Ravens to the Playoffs when McNair gets hurt.

Lead being the key word.I think the Ravens might make the playoffs and I also think McNair is injury prone and might get hurt. Hence I think Boller might be the Ravens starting QB in the playoffs.

 

[Slider]

I think he's right on Carr. Now that he's in an actual O we'll see. Same with Boller only he's stuck in a boring O.

 

[Jason Wood]

Joyner is by far the best football statistician.

If you're going to go blindly on someone's rankings... he's definitely the one to go. He watches every play of the regular season at least half a dozen times.

KC Joyner broke my laptop a few years ago Seriously, we both presented at the ESPN Fantasy Football conference in Pittsburgh and the guy asked to borrow my laptop; he then proceeded to break my disk drive with a faulty disk of his.

In any event, since then he's had some success to be sure. He's a regular contributor on ESPN now (ESPN Insider), but he's (rightfully) moved away from fantasy content and focuses now on general football analysis.

I haven't read over his newest incarnation of his book, so I can't speak to his rankings. But to those who say he's got the best, I would seriously question that. Of all the presenters at the aforementioned conference, let's just say KC ran a distant fourth in the reception from the audience (out of four guys). Of course, when you start off the presentation by telling everyone that Randy Moss and Torry Holt are overrated, while Kassim Osgood is underrated; you're not going to win over many friends.

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

he was offering a free chapter from his book a few years ago.

it was very intruiging to read as a football fan, but was very lite on info that would help the FF player.