For the love of God, do not elect Hilary Clinton next election. (1 Viewer)

[Arsenal of Doom]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

 

[General Malaise]

Doesn't Biden want the gig? Is he too old? Man, I'd love to get a beer at Hooters with that guy.

 

[NutterButter]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

That's a given. No point discussing. Its too early to start talking about 2024.

 

[NutterButter]

Whoever isn't doing far better now than when Obama took office is doing it wrong. Thank you president obama for cleaning up your predecessor's mess.

but he hasn't

He took office on pecipice of an Arb Spring and that fell apart

The economy still sucks and the recovery bounce that always comes after a recession was historically muted. The non-partisan CBO even says that the stimulus was a failure

Arab Spring is nice and all, but making money is numero uno and the last 5 years have been phenomenal.

Great anecdotal evidence!

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

 

[timschochet]

Here's another reason why Jeb Bush won't be the GOP candidate, even though I would love to see it:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/06/jeb-bush-immigration-is-not-a-felony-but-an-act-of-love/?hpt=hp_t2

Jeb Bush said the debate over immigration reform needs to move past derisive rhetoric describing illegal immigrants.

The former Florida governor said in an interview Sunday in College Station, Texas, that people who come to the United States illegally are often looking for opportunities to provide for their families that are not available in their home countries.

"Yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. It's an act of love, it's an act of commitment to your family," Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George Bush Presidential Library Center.

I honestly think that is a different kind of crime, that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn't rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families," he said.

"I think we need to kind of get beyond the harsh political rhetoric to a better place."

Bush acknowledged that his comments would be recorded. "So be it," he said before discussing immigration reform, an area where he splits from many in the Republican Party in lobbying for a comprehensive overhaul.

 

[General Malaise]

Here's another reason why Jeb Bush won't be the GOP candidate, even though I would love to see it:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/06/jeb-bush-immigration-is-not-a-felony-but-an-act-of-love/?hpt=hp_t2

Jeb Bush said the debate over immigration reform needs to move past derisive rhetoric describing illegal immigrants.

The former Florida governor said in an interview Sunday in College Station, Texas, that people who come to the United States illegally are often looking for opportunities to provide for their families that are not available in their home countries.

"Yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. It's an act of love, it's an act of commitment to your family," Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George Bush Presidential Library Center.

I honestly think that is a different kind of crime, that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn't rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families," he said.

"I think we need to kind of get beyond the harsh political rhetoric to a better place."

Bush acknowledged that his comments would be recorded. "So be it," he said before discussing immigration reform, an area where he splits from many in the Republican Party in lobbying for a comprehensive overhaul.

Sounds reasonable.

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Here's another reason why Jeb Bush won't be the GOP candidate, even though I would love to see it:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/06/jeb-bush-immigration-is-not-a-felony-but-an-act-of-love/?hpt=hp_t2

Jeb Bush said the debate over immigration reform needs to move past derisive rhetoric describing illegal immigrants.

The former Florida governor said in an interview Sunday in College Station, Texas, that people who come to the United States illegally are often looking for opportunities to provide for their families that are not available in their home countries.

"Yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. It's an act of love, it's an act of commitment to your family," Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George Bush Presidential Library Center.

I honestly think that is a different kind of crime, that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn't rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families," he said.

"I think we need to kind of get beyond the harsh political rhetoric to a better place."

Bush acknowledged that his comments would be recorded. "So be it," he said before discussing immigration reform, an area where he splits from many in the Republican Party in lobbying for a comprehensive overhaul.

Sounds reasonable.

That, of course, will get him called a RINO.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Whoever isn't doing far better now than when Obama took office is doing it wrong. Thank you president obama for cleaning up your predecessor's mess.

but he hasn't

He took office on pecipice of an Arb Spring and that fell apart

The economy still sucks and the recovery bounce that always comes after a recession was historically muted. The non-partisan CBO even says that the stimulus was a failure

Arab Spring is nice and all, but making money is numero uno and the last 5 years have been phenomenal.

Well, unless you're one of the 11 million unemployed..

Even more reason to not vote R and make it even worse. How about a jobs or infrastucture bill from the house?

Oh thats right, we get abortion bills, defund healthcare and fillabusters. Nothing else.

Right...just like from the Democrats. Instead of focusing on jobs and the economy, we get FailureCare as the #1 priority.

The right is nothing like anynbody else. Well, maybe Iran.

WTF are you talking about?

Is this the "deflect and divert" strategy you're employing here? FailureCare is the #1 priority for this administration. Not jobs OR the economy.

Priories of Obama (in order):

1. FailureCare
2. Vacations
3. Vacations for Wife and Kids
4. Hanging out with Basketball stars and celebrities
5. Selfies

.....

100. Jobs and the Economy

Who holds the record for the most presidential vacation time?

Thursday's episode of In Play, The Washington Post's new political analysis show hosted by Chris Cillizza of The Fix and Jackie Kucinich, revealed the answer: President George W. Bush. During his two terms, Bush took 879 vacation days, which included 77 total trips to his Crawford, Tex., ranch. Nine of those trips were taken in his first year as president.

Tell me more about the Obama vacation abuse....

Max is slow on the uptake. Forgive his massive shortcomings.

Even when spelled out for him he simply refuses (is incapable) to acknowledge the truth.

 

[saintfool]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

When is enough?

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

When is enough?

Seriously? It's never enough.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.

And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

Corporate profitability is the biggest economic obstacle we currently face? Doesn't that fly in the face of all the data?

 

[matuski]

I'm hoping we get Sarah Palin again. Life was much more fun with her doing interviews.

 

[3C's]

It looks like young Eminence can learn from his FFA elders.

He realizes his life tales aren't attracting the eyeballs they used to, so he throws out some stinky bait on a topic guaranteed to start a feeding frenzy.

In the next episode of Eminence Front Page, Em starts a religious thread!

Sounds just like the new crackhead alias johnjohn.

 

[saintfool]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

When is enough?

Seriously? It's never enough.

The markets seem to be doing just fine. We've done little to rein them in really and very little in true Wall Street reforms. Economic growth is not the same as creating jobs. It's as simple as that. Wall Street figured that as long as retirement portfolios keep growing then we aren't going to care as much about jobs.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

When is enough?

DJIA <> Economic Growth

 

[IvanKaramazov]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

When is enough?

Seriously? It's never enough.

The markets seem to be doing just fine. We've done little to rein them in really and very little in true Wall Street reforms. Economic growth is not the same as creating jobs. It's as simple as that. Wall Street figured that as long as retirement portfolios keep growing then we aren't going to care as much about jobs.

Economic growth is a lot more about creating jobs than it is about Wall Street. Technically it's increasing living standards, which we usually measure using stuff like per-capita GDP even though we know that's an inherently flawed and one-dimension proxy. Job growth usually follows naturally though -- it's hard to have long-run productivity growth and technological innovation without job creation.

Edit: Also, "Wall Street" is a not person, and "it" didn't decide anything about retirement portfolios. If you own stock in a corporation, and that corporation does well in some broad sense, the value of your stock goes up without any particular entity deciding whether it should rise or not. Even if there were people on Wall Street who decided stock prices (there aren't), those people wouldn't be the ones deciding whether to create jobs or not (they're traders, not employers).

 

[The Commish]

Holy SHYTE! People still consider Palin to have presidential potential? That would almost be funny if it weren't so sad. I hope the Repubs do back her. Total whack job and even conservatives know that.

I wonder how much McCain regrets that pick.

probably not at all, she was his only chance of winning

This pretty much sums up the GOP in a nutshell. If that reality doesn't cause them to pause and take a look in the mirror nothing will. They shout down the moderates on their way out of town to loonyville, but somehow it's everyone elses' fault.

 

[Slapdash]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.

And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

Voodoo economics strikes again

 

[DocHolliday]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.

And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

I am agreeing with Tim?

This is going to be a strange day.

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

Corporate profitability is the biggest economic obstacle we currently face? Doesn't that fly in the face of all the data?

I didn't say it's our biggest obstacle. I simply believe its a vital factor in solving all of our obstacles.

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

I am agreeing with Tim?This is going to be a strange day.

It's one of the main reasons I'm not a progressive, despite my sympathy with so many other aspects of progressivism: they don't believe in freeing up the marketplace as much as possible, and I do.

 

[NCCommish]

Every single last Democrat will vote for her.

I can think of at least one that won't.

 

[NCCommish]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

I am agreeing with Tim?This is going to be a strange day.

It's one of the main reasons I'm not a progressive, despite my sympathy with so many other aspects of progressivism: they don't believe in freeing up the marketplace as much as possible, and I do.

How much freer you want it Tim? Free enough to go ahead and cause the next great depression?

 

[timschochet]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

I am agreeing with Tim?This is going to be a strange day.

It's one of the main reasons I'm not a progressive, despite my sympathy with so many other aspects of progressivism: they don't believe in freeing up the marketplace as much as possible, and I do.

How much freer you want it Tim? Free enough to go ahead and cause the next great depression?

I dispute your implication that a free market caused the last one.

 

[[icon]]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

 

[timschochet]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

Republicsns are counting on it?

 

[[icon]]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

Republicsns are counting on it?

Poorly worded as just getting coffee in my system... basically saying it's not going to work.

 

[timschochet]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

Republicsns are counting on it?

Poorly worded as just getting coffee in my system... basically saying it's not going to work.

Women won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman; a majority of them will vote for her because she's a Democrat. Poll after poll suggests that most women are not currently attracted by the Republican party, and I don't see that changing by 2016.

 

[[icon]]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

Republicsns are counting on it?

Poorly worded as just getting coffee in my system... basically saying it's not going to work.

Women won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman; a majority of them will vote for her because she's a Democrat. Poll after poll suggests that most women are not currently attracted by the Republican party, and I don't see that changing by 2016.

You're missing the point... but at least you got to make another post about it.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what it would take for the Republican party to win back my vote. It would be hard in the short term because of the Supreme Court issue already discussed, and the small degree to which I'd trust any of the current pool of possible contenders in 2016. However, if the party were willing to reshape its message to incorporate the more libertarian platform on social issues, with an economic policy based on efficiency and the reality of the globalized 21st century economy I'd be more than willing to consider voting for them again. Specifically, here are the issues that I think they have the opportunity to pivot or get out ahead on:

1. Come out strongly in favor of ending the war on drugs and other "vices" in favor of economic regulation of those markets. Drugs, gambling, even prostitution. Being in favor of legalization or decriminalization doesn't mean you have to endorse the activities, it just means you have a better grasp on supply and demand economics and how to achieve better public outcomes through regulation.

2. Propose meaningful tax and entitlement reform, embracing a VAT model at the national level and reworking entitlements around a Basic Income Guarantee. If I hear the words "tax cut" from any Republican candidate at this point, they can basically count on me never voting for them.

3. Advance healthcare reform by embracing the framework of the ACA, and driving insurance away from the employer sponsored model and more individuals into the exchange system. They would get massive bonus points for tying this into the entitlement reform on #2.

Cutting corporate taxes in exchange for removing loopholes remains one of the key elements of Republican economic philosophy that I buy into. It just makes sense to me that, if we want to be competitive globally and keep and increase jobs here, then this is the way to do so, along with removing as much useless red tape as possible. We have got to create an atmosphere with encourages economic growth.

Once you cut corporate taxes and the remove the loopholes, what is the net? A reduction or hike in corporate taxes overall?

It's a reduction. But the idea is that you create new industry and economic growth, so eventually you end up with even more revenue.And yes, I realize that this sounds a lot like trickle down economics. But I'm convinced we have to do it. Our debt is large, we have important things to spend money on in the future, and we'll never be able to reduce the debt by cutting enough spending. We have to grow the economy.

Corporate profitability is the biggest economic obstacle we currently face? Doesn't that fly in the face of all the data?

I didn't say it's our biggest obstacle. I simply believe its a vital factor in solving all of our obstacles.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporate profitability. There's not even really anything wrong with our overall economic growth if you account for the drag created by gov't cutbacks. The problem is the increasing degree to which corporate and overall economic growth is disconnected from middle class growth and increased opportunity across all socioeconomic segments.

I'm on board with the idea of reworking the corporate tax code, which seems mainly to exist to keep lobbyists busy. I don't think it's currently a drain of any significant measure on our economic growth, however, and reforming it by itself won't help the distribution problems.

 

[timschochet]

I don't disagree with you, AoD, and I'm willing to listen to whatever solutions there are to remedy this situation, so long as they don't interfere too much with economic growth.

 

[RCon]

I don't disagree with you, AoD, and I'm willing to listen to whatever solutions there are to remedy this situation, so long as they don't interfere too much with economic growth.

Get rid of corporate and income taxes altogether?

 

[timschochet]

I don't disagree with you, AoD, and I'm willing to listen to whatever solutions there are to remedy this situation, so long as they don't interfere too much with economic growth.

Get rid of corporate and income taxes altogether?

Much like BIG, I don't believe these to be realistic goals.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Republicans are counting on women blindly voting for Hillary because she's a woman, in the same way the Dem's counted on black folks to blindly vote for Obammer because he's, well, black.

Not sure that will work out quite as well.

I'm pretty sure the Democrats weren't counting on Obama winning on the strength of the black vote, since they would likely have gotten 85-90+ % of that voting block regardless of who the candidate was. Getting a higher turnout in a few swing states could obviously be helpful, but trust me there was no master plan to win the White House by cornering a minority vote that Democrats were going to win regardless.

Planning to win by Hillary drawing female votes actually seems like a more viable strategy since women make up half of the voting in Presidential elections, and while Democrats win the female vote overall they don't win every sub-demographic. But I still don't think anyone is counting on winning that way.

 

[Rove!]

Automation and offshore employment have both eaten away at the correlation between economic growth and jobs.

Countries, such as India, made a big bet with investing in science and technology education, while we twiddled our thumbs, emphasized "self-esteem" and raised our kids into a culture of sex drugs and rock and roll

To a certain extent, we need to export our culture of laziness and self-gratification to these places to make everybody's life a little nicer and to be able to be more competitive.

 

[humpback]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporate profitability. There's not even really anything wrong with our overall economic growth if you account for the drag created by gov't cutbacks. The problem is the increasing degree to which corporate and overall economic growth is disconnected from middle class growth and increased opportunity across all socioeconomic segments.
I'm on board with the idea of reworking the corporate tax code, which seems mainly to exist to keep lobbyists busy. I don't think it's currently a drain of any significant measure on our economic growth, however, and reforming it by itself won't help the distribution problems.

WWAoDD?

 

[lod01]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

 

[mquinnjr]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

I'm conservative, but I'm also realistic. Don't see a scenario where she doesn't win, so I agree with the above.

This is going to force the Republican party to hit the reset button and figure things out, or join the Tea Party in the land of political irrelevance.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Automation and offshore employment have both eaten away at the correlation between economic growth and jobs.

Countries, such as India, made a big bet with investing in science and technology education, while we twiddled our thumbs, emphasized "self-esteem" and raised our kids into a culture of sex drugs and rock and roll

To a certain extent, we need to export our culture of laziness and self-gratification to these places to make everybody's life a little nicer and to be able to be more competitive.

Super good point. We should all thank the Republicans for rewriting the science textbooks so they include an image of Jesus riding a velociraptor in the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago.

 

[The Commish]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

I'm conservative, but I'm also realistic. Don't see a scenario where she doesn't win, so I agree with the above.

This is going to force the Republican party to hit the reset button and figure things out, or join the Tea Party in the land of political irrelevance.

They are already there. That was shown to us with the McCain/Palin ticket. Now their choices are to keep digging or stop and crawl out.

 

[roadkill1292]

The next generation of voters, an even bigger one than the Boomers and one that will dominate voting in a few decades, is still there for the taking by either party. The Repubs can get them with a plan of pragmatic, problem-solving government, though not necessarily a smaller one and certainly not one bound to a certain ideology -- ideologies don't interest the Millennials nearly as much as functionality. But to get them the GOP will have to silence the evangelicals; Millennials won't vote for candidates hostile to science, gay marriage and weed decriminalization no matter how many economic promises are waved around.

The fundies can yell about principle all they like but the odds of them actually converting a net positive to their side are just about nil. Might as well reconcile to a moral life lived in a sea of vice because that's what most everybody else wants.

 

[lod01]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

I'm conservative, but I'm also realistic. Don't see a scenario where she doesn't win, so I agree with the above.

This is going to force the Republican party to hit the reset button and figure things out, or join the Tea Party in the land of political irrelevance.

They are already there. That was shown to us with the McCain/Palin ticket. Now their choices are to keep digging or stop and crawl out.

What is really sad is that it's so easy to fix the problem. Arsenal Of Doom gave some good reasons. Cut taxes on middle class is another. Tell Sheldon Adelson to #### off is yet another. I'd vote for them if they just did that. Instead they all lined up a while back to suck his #### and eat his ####. Jeb Bush included.

 

[humpback]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

So they can be corrupted as well?

 

[lod01]

We should really get this thread back onto how Hillary is going to steamroll whoever the Republican party rolls out in 2016.

A new party needs to emerge to. These guys are the 21st century version of the Whig party.

So they can be corrupted as well?

That of course is the real problem which will never be fixed.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporate profitability. There's not even really anything wrong with our overall economic growth if you account for the drag created by gov't cutbacks. The problem is the increasing degree to which corporate and overall economic growth is disconnected from middle class growth and increased opportunity across all socioeconomic segments.
I'm on board with the idea of reworking the corporate tax code, which seems mainly to exist to keep lobbyists busy. I don't think it's currently a drain of any significant measure on our economic growth, however, and reforming it by itself won't help the distribution problems.

WWAoDD?

It's basically outlined in the things that would make me consider voting Republican. Expanding on that a little, I think the most important things for the next century would be:

Education reform, with an emphasis on developing critical thinking and life competency in primary education and making it less costly for individuals to pursue college and advanced degrees

Public investment in R&D, and next generation energy, transportation, and communication infrastructure

Tax and entitlement reform that I mentioned before and I think is critical

 

[Rove!]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporate profitability. There's not even really anything wrong with our overall economic growth if you account for the drag created by gov't cutbacks. The problem is the increasing degree to which corporate and overall economic growth is disconnected from middle class growth and increased opportunity across all socioeconomic segments.
I'm on board with the idea of reworking the corporate tax code, which seems mainly to exist to keep lobbyists busy. I don't think it's currently a drain of any significant measure on our economic growth, however, and reforming it by itself won't help the distribution problems.

WWAoDD?

It's basically outlined in the things that would make me consider voting Republican. Expanding on that a little, I think the most important things for the next century would be:

Education reform, with an emphasis on developing critical thinking and life competency in primary education and making it less costly for individuals to pursue college and advanced degrees

Public investment in R&D, and next generation energy, transportation, and communication infrastructure

Tax and entitlement reform that I mentioned before and I think is critical

I'm on board with this as a start to a third party platform.

We have two parties that are stuck in the last century in terms of their economic approach...