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Forecasting Tackles and Sacks (1 Viewer)

RommelDAK

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MODERATOR: Uh oh, can I not post images??? The jpg of my table isn't showing up.

Okay, my six-page disseration is revised and expaned!

http://www.econ.tcu.edu/harvey/dak_ffl/For...TackleSacks.pdf

As shocking as it may seem, not every wants to read all that! So, I decided to add a summary here.

Forecasting Tackles

My goal in this part of the study was to determine whether or not winning teams generated significantly more tackles than losing ones (hence suggesting that, when faced with a choice between relative equals, you should start players whose teams you suspect will lose). This is confirmed. The bottom line is that running plays generate more tackles than passing plays (since roughly 1/3 of passes end with an incompletion), and once you are ahead you tend to run. Here are the averages:

Winning teams in 2007:

Rushes per Game: 31.6 (50%)

Pass Plays per Game (inc sacks): 31.8 (50%)

Sacked: 1.6

Completions per Game: 19.5 (65% completion on 30 attempts)

Totals Plays/Game: 63.3

Offensive TDs/Game: 3

Tackles Created for Opponents IDPs (not inc sacks): 48

Losing teams in 2007:

Rushes per Game: 23 (37%)

Pass Plays per Game (inc sacks): 39 (63%)

Sacked: 2.7

Completions per Game: 21 (58% completion on 36 attempts)

Totals Plays/Game: 62

Offensive TDs/Game: 1.5

Tackles Created for Opponents IDPs (not inc sacks): 42.5
The bigger the margin of victory, the greater the difference in tackles created. Statistically speaking (holding other factors constant--this is explained in the main study), for every five points of margin, the winner creates one extra opportunity and the loser one less (a two-point swing).Forecasting Sacks

Regaring sacks, I did a much simpler analysis there as the numbers really jumped out. Even though we are dealing with much smaller numbers (the average NFL team in 2007 gave up two sacks as compared to 45 tackles), the change in the number created over various margins of victory is more significant. I took a screen shot of the relevant table:

EDIT: Hmmm, I guess we can't post images, so here is a link: Sack Table

They don’t look huge, but when you consider that the average number of sacks in a game is just over 2, the range is enough to make a significant difference in the likelihood that your guy gets one. The split between losing by less than 10 and winning by that much (almost ½ of NFL games) is half a sack, which is 25% of the total number of sacks in the average game–that’s not unimportant. Once you move to lost by 10 to 19 versus winning by that much, the difference is 1.6 sacks–80% of the typical total.

Conclusion

My feeling after looking at the numbers is this. First off, it's not a surprise. It's stuff we all suspected, but now you can put a number on it and therefore weight it more properly. Second, in making that tough choice between two equally talented IDPs, I think I would lean more heavily toward starting the defensive linemen on teams that I suspect will win than linebackers on teams that I think will lose. I still want to do the latter if possible, but I'm not sure the swing is as significant.

Say, I should a table like that sack one for tackles, shouldn't I? I have to help my daughter with some homework right now, but I'll get on it!

EDIT: Homework help complete, here is the tackle table: Tackle Table

As you can see, in terms of the total percent of tackles generated, the swing isn't nearly as large as on the sacks table.

 
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Great work on proving this out for the past season! With the exception of the Patriot point onslaught last year how often do we think about a game as a blow out and it is competitive. Last weeks Vikings vs. Lions come to mind and it was a 12-10 game and Browns vs. Giants (but other way around). Similarly, we might have guessed at the Jets vs. Cards game earlier this year as being high scoring but not a blow out. So how do we apply this information? Should we be looking at largest over/under going into games? Should we look at the largest spreads? Or showed we just look at the information in general and look to winning teams DL and when comparing to otherwise equal DL choose the former?

On a side note, I have found that when looking for a bye week replacement on the (evil) offensive side and it comes down to otherwise equals I go with the player who has a home game (weather permitting). Somewhere along my surfing I found a study that seemed to suggest that. Has anyone found something to that effect for IDP?

 
Great work on proving this out for the past season! With the exception of the Patriot point onslaught last year how often do we think about a game as a blow out and it is competitive. Last weeks Vikings vs. Lions come to mind and it was a 12-10 game and Browns vs. Giants (but other way around). Similarly, we might have guessed at the Jets vs. Cards game earlier this year as being high scoring but not a blow out. So how do we apply this information? Should we be looking at largest over/under going into games? Should we look at the largest spreads? Or showed we just look at the information in general and look to winning teams DL and when comparing to otherwise equal DL choose the former?
Precisely the kind of stuff I'm wondering about now! Does it matter if the 17pt margin was 17-0 vs. 34-17? If so, does it affect more who gets the tackles than the number of tackles? And, ulimately, it's easy to say that if a team wins big they will generate a lot of tackles (and get a lot of sacks), but the ultimate problem still remains--how in the heck do we forecast that?!?!Dunno, but I'm looking forward to checking it out!
 
Dunno if anyone has any interest in this, but I wrote it last year and dug it out to figure which linebackers I wanted to start this week.

Nothing revolutionary--everything else being equal, you get more tackles out of players whose teams get beat than those whose teams win; on the other hand, if you want sacks, you want your player to be on the winning side. It does, however, try to quantify things.

Of course, always start your studs!

 
RommelDAK said:
Dunno if anyone has any interest in this, but I wrote it last year and dug it out to figure which linebackers I wanted to start this week.Nothing revolutionary--everything else being equal, you get more tackles out of players whose teams get beat than those whose teams win; on the other hand, if you want sacks, you want your player to be on the winning side. It does, however, try to quantify things.Of course, always start your studs!
Roger - I am going for a 4 peat in my 16 year old keeper leage and on defense there is a few things for sure I have learned and apply -1)Start Sack guys vs teams they are going to hammer opponents by 12 or more in your estimate, 2)Start tackle guys on teams that are going to get beat by 12 or more3)Never sit a top 5 sack guy no matter the spread, try to watch out for hot Off Tackles - they can shut down the best 4) no sack guys vs Manning - rarely vs Brady 4) it better to have a consistent tackler than a sack guy who gets 2 sacks every 2-3 weeks Stonewall sBrigadeManningWilliams, BrownWayne, Marshall, C JohnsonClarkM Williams, J Allen, E Simms, J porter, DJ Williams, C Greenway, C Lofton
 
Thanks for putting this all together, definitely helpful and reassuring.

I'm just wondering if drafting Suggs/Lewis is going to payoff now since they are obviously on a team that is going to go 19-0

;)

 
Roger - I am going for a 4 peat in my 16 year old keeper leage and on defense there is a few things for sure I have learned and apply -4) no sack guys vs Manning - rarely vs Brady
Aaron Schobel has 6.5 sacks on Brady the last 6 games (2005-2007) they have squared off.
 
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There's some good stuff here. Some of this is stuff that a lot of us have thought to be true but never did a statistical analysis. Thanks for taking the time to do this and for sharing it with us.

:rolleyes:

 
Another bump for RommelDAK's great work here. We always made a point to preach patience and look beyond the line score when judging players during the early weeks, but this work hammers home the right time for when enough-is-enough with your underperforming players. It'll be heavily referenced in the Week 4 RTD column again this year.

 

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